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Bigtony
United States1606 Posts
On October 03 2012 08:46 TheTenthDoc wrote: As a white person who grew up in the suburbs, we 100% do not need any more highways. ??? Uh maybe in your suburbs, but my suburbs could certainly use some highway improvement. Additional lanes, more efficient traffic control structures (roundabouts, overpasses, etc). Not necessarily highways to new places, but improvements of the ones we already have certainly. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On October 03 2012 11:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Improvement in Highways, where it's needed yes but not new ones. High Speed Rail is something we are long overdue and of course more bike lanes never hurt. Definitely improvements on highways, but properly managed. NYC has had several highways and bridges with ongoing construction for something like the last 8 years. Even the MTA was terrible until just about 2 or 3 years ago, when they started actually doing better. I'd love to have the subway system like those in Hong Kong or Japan, but that's probably too much to convert in our aging system. | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On October 03 2012 11:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Improvement in Highways, where it's needed yes but not new ones. High Speed Rail is something we are long overdue and of course more bike lanes never hurt. High speed rail would be a colossal waste of money in most of the Midwest. It's too spread out and how would I travel when I get to said city? Quite frankly I don't want to pay for the East Coast travelers. Raise state funds if you want it. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On October 03 2012 11:12 kwizach wrote: You do realize that in case you're right and it's a longer video, Obama supporters (like everyone else) haven't actually seen the rest, right? We're simply denouncing another empty attempt at discrediting Obama over perfectly normal comments that will be spinned every which way to make him sound bad. It doesn't mean I or anyone else is worried about the content of the video. edit: just read Leporello's post and apparently you're wrong, it is the full video. So yeah, what Leporello said :-) http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/02/obama-speech-jeremiah-wright-new-orleans/3/ There's the video. The running time is 36:22. The video posted above is less than 10 minutes. I'm not an expert at compression, but I find it difficult to believe the 10 minute video is the entire video, as I said. However, you are so easily convinced otherwise, simply by having someone else say so. Whatever. Now, if this entire video has been posted on Youtube before, somebody please prove that. By hunch is that you find only the shorter, edited version and people haven't seen the speech in its entirety. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On October 03 2012 11:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Improvement in Highways, where it's needed yes but not new ones. High Speed Rail is something we are long overdue and of course more bike lanes never hurt. I've been wondering, would the high speed rail really be worth it? I mean, going from San Diego -> San Francisco by plane is ~$200 round-trip. Traveling that distance in Japan by bullet train would cost well over $400 round-trip. I suppose it may be better for short/intermediate-distance trips (say, San Diego to Los Angeles), but for long-distance trips, planes might be better... Obviously prices would be different in America, but still not sure if it'd be worth it. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On October 03 2012 11:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Improvement in Highways, where it's needed yes but not new ones. High Speed Rail is something we are long overdue and of course more bike lanes never hurt. Localities can pay for their own bike lanes. | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
On October 03 2012 11:25 JinDesu wrote: Definitely improvements on highways, but properly managed. NYC has had several highways and bridges with ongoing construction for something like the last 8 years. Even the MTA was terrible until just about 2 or 3 years ago, when they started actually doing better. I'd love to have the subway system like those in Hong Kong or Japan, but that's probably too much to convert in our aging system. One word: Density. The United States, Russia, and China require a novel approach to public transit, one that is far more regional in authority and in planning due to the incredible variance in population density and geographic feature. That being said, a properly run Amtrak would certainly be a welcome sight. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On October 03 2012 11:28 Souma wrote: I've been wondering, would the high speed rail really be worth it? I mean, going from San Diego -> San Francisco by plane is ~$200 round-trip. Traveling that distance in Japan by bullet train would cost well over $400 round-trip. I suppose it may be better for short/intermediate-distance trips (say, San Diego to Los Angeles), but for long-distance trips, planes might be better... Obviously prices would be different in America, but still not sure if it'd be worth it. I'm no high-speed rail expert, but is it a good idea in earthquake-prone areas ? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Also federal funds have/should(through proper review/checks) to build bike lanes. Memphis, TN is just one example and it's rebuilding/renovation of a bridge as part of the Greenline. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On October 03 2012 11:35 Kaitlin wrote: I'm no high-speed rail expert, but is it a good idea in earthquake-prone areas ? Japan is an earthquake prone area... On October 03 2012 11:30 farvacola wrote: One word: Density. The United States, Russia, and China require a novel approach to public transit, one that is far more regional in authority and in planning due to the incredible variance in population density and geographic feature. That being said, a properly run Amtrak would certainly be a welcome sight. Yes that is true. But the MTA is making some nice progress, as least in providing customer information now. They used to be really sh*tty. The Amtrak in my experience has been a far better alternative in terms of comfort and reliability (until it rains more than 2 drops), so if only we could combine the two... | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On October 03 2012 11:35 Kaitlin wrote: I'm no high-speed rail expert, but is it a good idea in earthquake-prone areas ? If you have the engineering prowess of the Japanese, yes. On October 03 2012 11:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: I think people are forgetting how much Americans hate and are stating to hate Airports and their BS policiy on price etc. Also federal funds have/should(through proper review/checks) to build bike lanes. Memphis, TN is just one example and it's rebuilding/renovation of a bridge as part of the Greenline. I love airports.  What is their BS policy on price, though? I'm not very familiar with airport pricing. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On October 03 2012 11:39 Souma wrote: If you have the engineering prowess of the Japanese, yes. I love airports. What is their BS policy on price, though? I'm not very familiar with airport pricing.Fees on EVERYTHINGGGGGGG | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
That IS annoying but airfare is also pretty freaking cheap. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On October 03 2012 11:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote: That IS annoying but airfare is also pretty freaking cheap. Domestic is, I think. My international to Asia was pretty hefty though - but then again, I don't normally fly, so I am a terrible judge. I just dislike the extra fee to check in an additional bag. | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On October 03 2012 11:43 JinDesu wrote: Domestic is, I think. My international to Asia was pretty hefty though - but then again, I don't normally fly, so I am a terrible judge. I just dislike the extra fee to check in an additional bag. Yeah, actually, it cost me an extra $150 to check in an additional bag from LA -> SD. It was only a 30 minute flight... | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On October 03 2012 11:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: I think people are forgetting how much Americans hate and are stating to hate Airports and their BS policiy on price etc. Also federal funds have/should(through proper review/checks) to build bike lanes. Memphis, TN is just one example and it's rebuilding/renovation of a bridge as part of the Greenline. Well, then, I think bike lanes fall into that area where Liberals and Conservatives disagree upon as far as whether it's something Federal funds should be used for. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On October 03 2012 11:15 Bigtony wrote: ??? Uh maybe in your suburbs, but my suburbs could certainly use some highway improvement. Additional lanes, more efficient traffic control structures (roundabouts, overpasses, etc). Not necessarily highways to new places, but improvements of the ones we already have certainly. The streets (sidewalks especially) where I grew up could use improvement. The highways were mostly fine, yet highways were consistently the main targets of construction projects. Obviously it's anecdotal, but some of that is how much easier it is to earmark funds for highway improvement and rerouting. And then you get situations like the construction of the highway in Boston that was never even finished but still resulted in the impoverishment of an entire area of the city. | ||
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