EPTMaybe we can bring up Whitewater while we're at it. Drudge has "new" startling evidence that the Clinton's were into shady real-estate dealings, oh my!
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
Maybe we can bring up Whitewater while we're at it. Drudge has "new" startling evidence that the Clinton's were into shady real-estate dealings, oh my! | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 03 2012 08:28 jdseemoreglass wrote: Wow, I've never visited drudge before. I can't tell if it's an attempt at minimalism or just very low budget. I laughed when I read "THE ACCENT!" Oh god, no! Drudge likes to use sensational headlines. More often than I like, the headline that Drudge posts doesn't really fit the article to which he is linking. | ||
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farvacola
United States18846 Posts
On October 03 2012 08:32 Leporello wrote: The fact that their claiming this video/speech is either "new" or "relevant" just about shows the respect and honesty these right-wing mouthpieces have for their flock. Maybe we can bring up Whitewater while we're at it. Drudge has "new" startling evidence that the Clinton's were into shady real-estate dealings, oh my! I've recently heard whispers from Drudge that an individual by the name of "Monica Lewinsky" might be willing to come forward and share less than wholesome details of her dealings with former Pres. Clinton. I'm not sure the Democratic Party can take another blow like this. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On October 03 2012 08:37 farvacola wrote: I've recently heard whispers from Drudge that an individual by the name of "Monica Lewinsky" might be willing to come forward and share less than wholesome details of her dealings with former Pres. Clinton. I'm not sure the Democratic Party can take another blow like this. Oh, it gets better. Tomorrow at 5: "Man steals God's special fruit: Is this the end of human innocence?" | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On October 03 2012 08:26 Leporello wrote: It's Jeremiah Wright. It's "just about to be released"? No, it was released in 2007. This is the GOP''s response to Romney's private-fundraiser being taped and leaked. So the right-wing "finds" a "new" video about Obama being a reverse whitey-hating racist, even though the video was put on youtube 5 years ago. huh? The video he posted is not Jeremiah Wright and it's not something people have seen before. Not sure where you're getting that from. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 03 2012 08:33 xDaunt wrote: Drudge likes to use sensational headlines. More often than I like, the headline that Drudge posts doesn't really fit the article to which he is linking. Yeah, I forgive him that. Heck, for all I know he farms some of it out to staff and some of them are overly enthusiastic at times as well. THE ACCENT... THE ANGER... THE ACCUSATIONS... THE SERMON... Guess I'll have to get on the video after the fact to find out their relative importance. 'We don't need to build more highways out in the suburbs. We should be investing in minority-owned businesses, in our neighborhoods' My president is saying this? Sad day. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On October 03 2012 08:42 Danglars wrote: Yeah, I forgive him that. Heck, for all I know he farms some of it out to staff and some of them are overly enthusiastic at times as well. Guess I'll have to get on the video after the fact to find out their relative importance. My president is saying this? Sad day. As a white person who grew up in the suburbs, we 100% do not need any more highways. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On October 03 2012 08:41 BlackJack wrote: huh? The video he posted is not Jeremiah Wright and it's not something people have seen before. Not sure where you're getting that from. This is the video, a speech he made as a Senator. It's old. We have seen it before. Note its posted date: June, 2007. Yes, this is news. Thank you, Matt Drudge, for finding the headlines the liberal mainstream media refuses to report (am I doing that right?) No, it isn't a video of Rev. Wright, but this is the same crap we saw in McCain/Palin 2008. So I likened it Rev. Wright. We should be afraid of the "real" Obama, who hates white people and seeks friendship with terrorists. But really, this is just a Senator from an urban city making a speech that plays to the audience. It isn't like he's changing his skin color or anything. ![[image loading]](http://static.globalgrind.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/article_images_540/images/2012_september/mitt-romney-tan-fake.jpg) | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On October 03 2012 08:33 xDaunt wrote: Drudge likes to use sensational headlines. More often than I like, the headline that Drudge posts doesn't really fit the article to which he is linking. Out of curiosity, do you actually regularly visit that site or did you just open it because you heard elsewhere about a supposedly new video being posted on it? | ||
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Signet
United States1718 Posts
On October 03 2012 08:46 TheTenthDoc wrote: As a white person who grew up in the suburbs, we 100% do not need any more highways. That part of it, at least, is definitely true. Highways, as well as the roads in the suburbs, are in great shape usually. (that is also where I grew up, mostly in the suburbs of TX and VA) Streets in the cities, not so much, and most cities have poor public transit save for NYC. Considering that there tends to be a large net flow of money (through government expenditures) out of cities, it would be nice if they kept a little bit more of that within the city in order to finance better local transit. The effects on industrial clustering/agglomeration would have economic benefits for our country as well. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On October 03 2012 09:03 Leporello wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofbUK85bnwY This is the video, a speech he made as a Senator. It's old. We have seen it before. Note its posted date: June, 2007. Yes, this is news. Thank you, Matt Drudge, for finding the headlines the liberal mainstream media refuses to report (am I doing that right?) No, it isn't a video of Rev. Wright, but this is the same crap we saw in McCain/Palin 2008. So I likened it Rev. Wright. We should be afraid of the "real" Obama, who hates white people and seeks friendship with terrorists. But really, this is just a Senator from an urban city making a speech that plays to the audience. It isn't like he's changing his skin color or anything. Actually, that's less than 10 minutes of the speech. The rest of it is being put out tonight. It's over a 40 minute speech. If it wasn't a big deal, why are so many Obama supporters commenting ? If Hannity / Tucker Carlson did a story on how Obama ties his shoes, that would be no big deal, and nobody would feel a need to refute / dismiss it. However, apparently this video has some teeth that Obama supporters are taking action against. | ||
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Adila
United States874 Posts
On October 03 2012 10:50 Kaitlin wrote: Actually, that's less than 10 minutes of the speech. The rest of it is being put out tonight. It's over a 40 minute speech. If it wasn't a big deal, why are so many Obama supporters commenting ? If Hannity / Tucker Carlson did a story on how Obama ties his shoes, that would be no big deal, and nobody would feel a need to refute / dismiss it. However, apparently this video has some teeth that Obama supporters are taking action against. Because politicians have never, ever taken things out of context at all... It's the job for some people. Anyway, this will probably disappear after tomorrow if Romney does poorly in the debate. | ||
KwarK
United States43536 Posts
On October 03 2012 10:50 Kaitlin wrote: Actually, that's less than 10 minutes of the speech. The rest of it is being put out tonight. It's over a 40 minute speech. If it wasn't a big deal, why are so many Obama supporters commenting ? If Hannity / Tucker Carlson did a story on how Obama ties his shoes, that would be no big deal, and nobody would feel a need to refute / dismiss it. However, apparently this video has some teeth that Obama supporters are taking action against. Are you actually making the argument that because people on the other side of the political spectrum say it's nonsense then it must be true? Is this what American politics has been reduced to? | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On October 03 2012 10:59 KwarK wrote: Are you actually making the argument that because people on the other side of the political spectrum say it's nonsense then it must be true? Is this what American politics has been reduced to? I'm saying they are making sure to respond, so they must feel the situation requires a fast response. I'm not sure 'true' enters into the equation, as nobody is really asserting that it's not an actual video of a speech Obama gave. But, as I said, if this Hannity / Tucker Carlson 'story' was about how Obama ties his shoes, nobody would give a shit, and certainly we wouldn't be seeing the attempts to discredit. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Mitt Romney would not deport young illegal immigrants who received temporary work permits under President Obama’s June executive action, the Republican candidate told the Denver Post in an interview published late Monday. “The people who have received the special visa that the president has put in place, which is a two-year visa, should expect that the visa would continue to be valid. I’m not going to take something that they’ve purchased,” Romney said. Mitt Romney had been silent on whether he would keep in place the president’s policy, which halts deportations of young illegal immigrants brought to the United States as children by their parents and instead gives them temporary work permits. It is still unclear whether Romney would continue the program. “Before those visas have expired we will have the full immigration reform plan that I’ve proposed,” Romney said Monday. Mitt Romney repeated his commitment to an immigration reform bill to the Denver Post, but remained vague on what such legislation would entail. Romney stance on immigration seems largely unchanged from a speech he made before the National Association of Latino Elected Officials in June, when he said in response to whether he will let Obama’s executive action stand, “The answer is that I will put in place my own long-term solution that will replace and supersede the president’s temporary measure.” Source | ||
Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
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KwarK
United States43536 Posts
On October 03 2012 11:04 Kaitlin wrote: I'm saying they are making sure to respond, so they must feel the situation requires a fast response. I'm not sure 'true' enters into the equation, as nobody is really asserting that it's not an actual video of a speech Obama gave. But, as I said, if this Hannity / Tucker Carlson 'story' was about how Obama ties his shoes, nobody would give a shit, and certainly we wouldn't be seeing the attempts to discredit. So yes, you really are making the argument that people dismissing it as unimportant are showing there is something to dismiss because otherwise why would they be so eager to dismiss it? That's a really, really stupid argument to make. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On October 03 2012 10:50 Kaitlin wrote: Actually, that's less than 10 minutes of the speech. The rest of it is being put out tonight. It's over a 40 minute speech. If it wasn't a big deal, why are so many Obama supporters commenting ? If Hannity / Tucker Carlson did a story on how Obama ties his shoes, that would be no big deal, and nobody would feel a need to refute / dismiss it. However, apparently this video has some teeth that Obama supporters are taking action against. Actually, that's the whole speech, and this is the whole transcript. This is from 2007. What part of this should I be offended by or do you think is even borderline newsworthy? This is Tucker Carlson reporting on the video in 2007/2008, when he was still with MSNBC. And now he reports on it, again, on Hannity's show, acting like it's "new"? Just goes to show Tucker's capacity for intellectual honesty and retaining facts. This video has "teeth" to it? Does it? How? What, exactly, is the point? You have the video and transcript. Please, enlighten me as to what is suddenly relevant now that wasn't relevant 5 years ago. If people are taking interest in this, it's only because it's so audaciously contrived. There is absolutely nothing here, and yet the second I read about this video, I come to this thread and see xDaunt already talking about it. People are taking interest in this video, on both sides, because it reminds people, on both sides, of the 2008 campaign. You guys want to go down that road, then yes, you'll make some headlines with this crap -- but that doesn't mean it's effective or that is has "teeth" that are going to bite Obama anymore than it bites your own campaign. It'll backfire, and disgust people in the process. Have fun. | ||
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sevencck
Canada705 Posts
On October 03 2012 11:09 Leporello wrote: + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2012 10:50 Kaitlin wrote: Actually, that's less than 10 minutes of the speech. The rest of it is being put out tonight. It's over a 40 minute speech. If it wasn't a big deal, why are so many Obama supporters commenting ? If Hannity / Tucker Carlson did a story on how Obama ties his shoes, that would be no big deal, and nobody would feel a need to refute / dismiss it. However, apparently this video has some teeth that Obama supporters are taking action against. Actually, that's the whole speech, and this is the whole transcript. This is from 2007. What part of this should I be offended by or do you think is even borderline newsworthy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyaNm3zHMRY&feature=player_embedded This is Tucker Carlson reporting on the video in 2007/2008, when he was still with MSNBC. And now he reports on it, again, on Hannity's show, acting like it's "new"? Just goes to show Tucker's capacity for intellectual honesty and retaining facts. This video has "teeth" to it? Does it? How? What, exactly, is the point? You have the video and transcript. Please, enlighten me as to what is suddenly relevant now that wasn't relevant 5 years ago. If people are taking interest in this, it's only because it's so audaciously contrived. There is absolutely nothing here, and yet the second I read about this video, I come to this thread and see xDaunt already talking about it. People are taking interest in this video, on both sides, because it reminds people, on both sides, of the 2008 campaign. You guys want to go down that road, then yes, you'll make headlines. And you'll lose, and disgust people in the process. Have fun. Very well said, I think you're absolutely right. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On October 03 2012 11:04 Kaitlin wrote: I'm saying they are making sure to respond, so they must feel the situation requires a fast response. I'm not sure 'true' enters into the equation, as nobody is really asserting that it's not an actual video of a speech Obama gave. But, as I said, if this Hannity / Tucker Carlson 'story' was about how Obama ties his shoes, nobody would give a shit, and certainly we wouldn't be seeing the attempts to discredit. You do realize that in case you're right and it's a longer video, Obama supporters (like everyone else) haven't actually seen the rest, right? We're simply denouncing another empty attempt at discrediting Obama over perfectly normal comments that will be spinned every which way to make him sound bad. It doesn't mean I or anyone else is worried about the content of the video. edit: just read Leporello's post and apparently you're wrong, it is the full video. So yeah, what Leporello said :-) | ||
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