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JooliaGillard
Australia10 Posts
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CajunMan
United States823 Posts
On April 20 2012 15:53 NotSorry wrote: Not sure how the Republicans can hate on Obama he has been one of the best presidents they have ever had, every thing they wanted has been handed to them from Obama. I voted for him in 2008 and I've been disappointed countless times, with the way he just caves into their every demand, just throws away his own policies to compromise with the Republicans in some insane hope that they will return a favor. The one thing I think Bush did right that Obama could have learned a lot from is Bush never gave a fuck what his approval rating was he pushed his agenda and he made it go through no matter of how fucked up, unconstitutional or even down right illegal it was he still did it. Hold the fucking phone lets get something straight Bush was half a Democrat to begin with and on the majority of his bills he attempted bipartisanship. It is one of the reasons "No Child Left Behind" and The Patriot act" exist. They were both spawn with help from both sides and passed overwhelmingly by both sides. Bush OFTEN went out of his way to talk to the other side when he didn't have to that's is one reason we are in trouble like we are you think TARP was a conservative idea? On April 20 2012 14:19 icemanzdoinwork wrote: What does ww2 have to do with Bush? Bush had the option of stopping a country developing nuclear weapons vs one doing nothing. What's a comparison boss? Comparisons are much like similes Dale there a smaller type of zerg. On April 20 2012 14:19 icemanzdoinwork wrote: Herp derp the patriotic only allows wire taps. I guess the rest of it Is just fairy tales. The National Defense act gave even more power than it did and would you look at that Obama extended the Patriot act would you look at that. The DA act would have passed with or without Obama. That doesn't mean he has to support it. Herp derp again of course Obama went for the bush tax cuts during an election year. Political suicide would have been better I guess. That way we could Romney and his puppet masters. That's because everyone except Hard lefters and retards realize the Bush tax cuts are good for the country and raising taxes now would further crush business.Do you reall think china would attack us? Really? Doubtful send every drone we have at north Korea and watch china sit there because they don't want a war. North Korea has continued to violate sanctions and the bombing on south Korea was an act of war. Yet we allow that too happen. All while threatening Iran who has done nothing with no proof of doing anything kind of like Iraq. We will continue too sit on NK until they become an actual threat to our soil and it will be to late. All while destroying the middle east. Do not remember the Korean war? Serious? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War Happened before shit was 60 years ago 60 years is not that long. And China still isn't our besty. Again the difference is if we bomb the shit out of Iran they get mad if we attack Korea they get involved. Iran is shit to outside the middle east Korea is touching China and they care a fuckload about it if the US is involved. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On April 20 2012 21:48 Diomedes7 wrote: Plus government spending is about 40% percent of GDP with a tax burden of about 30%. In perspective, communist china's government spending is 20% of GDP with a tax burden of about 18%. Those numbers are incredibly wrong. Income for the U.S. right now is around 15%, the lowest it has been in 60 years. http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=205 I don't have a link for spending, but iirc, it's about 26% of GDP right now, and that's mainly due to the recession shrinking the GDP and congress continuing spending growth to match inflation. | ||
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Pantythief
Denmark657 Posts
On April 19 2012 17:50 MethodSC wrote: needs a 3rd option: Don't want to vote for either "Will you vote?" Click no. Reading is cool. | ||
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BaconofWar
United States369 Posts
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On April 20 2012 23:42 BaconofWar wrote: Not voting is possibly the dumbest thing you can do. You make it so that you don't have the ability to choose someone good, instead you let people's supporters vote for them I dare you to prove that there is a way to choose someone good. The choice is between Romney and Obama. Seriously. Kang and Kodos. Douche and turd sandwich. Subvert the system. Do Not Vote. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
On April 20 2012 23:35 Pantythief wrote: "Will you vote?" Click no. Reading is cool. That part of the poll wasn't there until this morning. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
Also, keep in mind that Romney...is tolerable at best to Republican leaders. I don't hate Romney, I wouldn't mind him, but Obama's reach and influence is far too great for such a weak contender. | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On April 21 2012 01:50 Golgotha wrote: Also, keep in mind that Romney...is tolerable at best to Republican leaders. I don't hate Romney, I wouldn't mind him, but Obama's reach and influence is far too great for such a weak contender. While most conservative Republicans feel at best tipid over Romney, you have to remember that is all overridden by their contempt for Obama. I think we are going to see a Republican base more motivated than ever. I don't think Romney is going to have any problems in terms of fund raising and finding volunteers. | ||
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antelope591
Canada820 Posts
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On April 21 2012 03:38 antelope591 wrote: I'm glad Romney won the nomination...Santorum was a total psycho and if Romney wins its no big deal really. I'm really laughing my ass off at how emotional Americans are getting over this election. Romney and Obama are basically the exact same, just cookie cutter politicians, nothing will change either way no matter which one of them's elected. Romney will basically say anything to anyone depending on what day it is and who his audience is. I hope Obama wins again though just so all the republicans and racists have an aneurysm...its gonna be a glorious day While Romney and Obama's foriegn agendas are similar, their domestica agendas are night and day. Romney has sworn to start repealing Obama's healtcare law on the first day of his presidency, should he be elected. He's also talking no new taxes and (vaguely) about de-regulation of US corporations. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On April 21 2012 03:26 TheToast wrote: While most conservative Republicans feel at best tipid over Romney, you have to remember that is all overridden by their contempt for Obama. I think we are going to see a Republican base more motivated than ever. I don't think Romney is going to have any problems in terms of fund raising and finding volunteers. I think Golgotha has a point. While I agree the Republican's will eventually band together behind Romney, it's a little disconcerting that after a brutal, brutal nomination process that it's taken so long for the Republican establishment to endorse or get behind him. It took a year of debate and interrogation including a rogue gallery of colorful Dick-Tracyesque characters -- charismatic pizza man, crazy grandpa, psycho-hose beast -- and the Republican party came out with a candidate they are only "meh" about. This all goes back to my earlier post -- the reason the Republican candidates seem unimpressive is that the values, brand and agenda of the Republican party is broken. | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On April 20 2012 15:53 NotSorry wrote: Not sure how the Republicans can hate on Obama he has been one of the best presidents they have ever had, every thing they wanted has been handed to them from Obama. I voted for him in 2008 and I've been disappointed countless times, with the way he just caves into their every demand, just throws away his own policies to compromise with the Republicans in some insane hope that they will return a favor. The one thing I think Bush did right that Obama could have learned a lot from is Bush never gave a fuck what his approval rating was he pushed his agenda and he made it go through no matter of how fucked up, unconstitutional or even down right illegal it was he still did it. Not sure about you if I actually woke up as POTUS, agreed to let Donald Rumsfeld be dictator of war planning and snub Shinseki and the CIA and had no regrets at the end of it all I would've just killed myself. There's something to be said about thinking things through and not being a bureaucrats wet dream for foreign policy. Bush makes himself sound like he's decisive and knew what he was doing, in reality he was a manipulated, slightly stupid person outmatched by people within his own cabinet. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On April 20 2012 23:56 TanGeng wrote: I dare you to prove that there is a way to choose someone good. The choice is between Romney and Obama. Seriously. Kang and Kodos. Douche and turd sandwich. Subvert the system. Do Not Vote. Useless. Disenfranchise yourself: no one cares. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
And if you don't think that stuff matters, or has a clear partisan divide with very real consequences, you know nothing. | ||
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Freddybear
United States126 Posts
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Jisall
United States2054 Posts
On April 21 2012 04:09 Freddybear wrote: If you can't find somebody to vote for, find somebody to vote against. Thats what my dad does. Votes for the best of a bad choice. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On April 21 2012 04:04 Leporello wrote: Useless. Disenfranchise yourself: no one cares. Yes. Only high school kids or freshmen in college think not participating is 'subversion'. Not voting 'out of principle' is a lazy person's way of justifying their bitching and moaning despite being to cowardly or impotent to do anything about it. If people actually gave a shit about politics, they'd at minimum protest or get involved in politics. Sitting on your ass simply makes it easier for the institutions you oppose to piss on your doorstep. | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On April 21 2012 03:56 Defacer wrote: I think Golgotha has a point. While I agree the Republican's will eventually band together behind Romney, it's a little disconcerting that after a brutal, brutal nomination process that it's taken so long for the Republican establishment to endorse or get behind him. It took a year of debate and interrogation including a rogue gallery of colorful Dick-Tracyesque characters -- charismatic pizza man, crazy grandpa, psycho-hose beast -- and the Republican party came out with a candidate they are only "meh" about. This all goes back to my earlier post -- the reason the Republican candidates seem unimpressive is that the values, brand and agenda of the Republican party is broken. The reason this nomination process was far more intense than those in recent memory is really due to the rise of the Tea Party. There's now an independent, powerful, caucus within the Republican party who are strongly pushing fiscally conservatism and small government libertarianism. They are a pretty powerful "group", and they have made good on their promise to hold elected Republicans to their promises. The Tea Party has managed to defeat a number of prominent "moderate" Republicans, Utah Senator Robert Bennett is a perfect example. It's put an end to many Repubican candidates corting conservative voters with lofty campaign promises, then pursuing a moderate agenda once elected. That's why this election season was so brutal, with each candidate trying to paint the other as a moderate and trying themselves to appear as a fiscal conservative and small government liberarian. The truth of the matter is none of the Republican candidates really fit that mold, which is why conservatives had such a tepid opinion of them. Now that the focus has switched to beating Obama, I think we are going to see a marked change of attitude among Republicans. | ||
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. I know he will win, but I'd still vote for Romney if I could. (We dont need american to become as socialistic as EU.) T_T
.. But don't tell em, else they might stop lieing to themselevs and start to restructure their welfare system.... ... ... .
