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On April 21 2012 06:52 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 06:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It annoys me when I hear other Americans say "Both parties suck and don't care about voters so I'm not going to vote."
Third Parties have ballot access in a majority of states including the Libertarian, and Green Party. But they're not going to win. Third parties only serve to split the vote between them and one of the main parties, resulting in the other main party winning. That's generally considered to be the reason why George HW Bush lost in 1992, large numbers of typically republican voters crossed over to Ross Perot, giving Clinton the edge. This is a well known and documented phenomena with a direct representation system, and one of the reasons why most countries around the world utilize a proportional representation system.
There is no rule saying that they cannot win. People thinking its a throwaway vote prevent them from voting but if everyone who disagreed with both parties voted for a 3e party you would actualy see the effects.
Your vote is meaningless to any party. 1 vote is nothing. 3e Part votes are worth as much as a repub/dem vote. so dont be afraid to let your voice heard
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Republicans are demonized by left-wing mass media corporations in Europe so no chance for them.
Basically, they use biased american footage to portray republicans as either neo-cons racists, full of religious bigotry or insensitive rich cynics...
But let's be honest, the Georges Bush factor has a huge role as well.
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unemployment rate is low and statistically no president has won with these rates.
Romney
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I like the "none of the above" option. If NOTA wins the election, the crap-sandwich guys aren't allowed to run again.
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On April 19 2012 18:24 murphs wrote:
Dear America,
Vote Obama.
Sincerely,
Rest of the fucking world.
A vote for Obama is a vote for Goldman Sachs. Great way to waste your vote!
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can anyone tell me how romney stands on scientific funding? i know historically under republican leadership, science funding tends to go up. i just never heard him talk about it.
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On April 21 2012 06:12 seppolevne wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 04:32 Holytornados wrote:On April 21 2012 04:25 Jisall wrote:On April 21 2012 04:19 Defacer wrote:On April 21 2012 04:04 Leporello wrote:On April 20 2012 23:56 TanGeng wrote:On April 20 2012 23:42 BaconofWar wrote:
Not voting is possibly the dumbest thing you can do. You make it so that you don't have the ability to choose someone good, instead you let people's supporters vote for them I dare you to prove that there is a way to choose someone good. The choice is between Romney and Obama. Seriously. Kang and Kodos. Douche and turd sandwich. Subvert the system. Do Not Vote. Useless. Disenfranchise yourself: no one cares. Yes. Only high school kids or freshmen in college think not participating is 'subversion'. Not voting 'out of principle' is a lazy person's way of justifying their bitching and moaning despite being to cowardly or impotent to do anything about it. If people actually gave a shit about politics, they'd at minimum protest or get involved in politics. Sitting on your ass simply makes it easier for the institutions you oppose to piss on your doorstep. If you don't vote you lost your right to complain. I don't like either, so I am stepping out of the political scene for a few years. Thats fine with me. I agree. Not voting gives you no right to speak against anything that is being done. If you want it done another way you should go out and vote. Find a candidate you can back. How do you reason not voting = no complaining? What is different between the exact same words and arguments coming from someone who two years earlier checked a box and one who didn't?
Not voting directly ties to having no say in government affairs, as you gave up your right to decide who is in charge of the policy making.
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I could never vote for someone batshit crazy enough to be a mormon. If you're that dumb, you sure as hell aren't fit to run a country.
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Here's link to an interesting infographic that shows just how steep a mountain Mitt Romney has to climb to reach the average voter, and re-inforces the stereotype that he's out-of-touch.
Also highlights just how much grassroots support Obama was capable of drumming up in 2004.
Romney trails in small donations to Obama, Bush
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Doesn't matter.. Politics is a useless institution which creates more problems than solutions. How about we make decisions based on scientific knowledge rather than some person's opinion which is influenced by corporations?
EDIT: typo
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On April 20 2012 20:34 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 18:54 Voltaire wrote:On April 20 2012 18:47 Velr wrote:On April 20 2012 15:02 Rossen wrote:Wait why is everyone who isent from America wanting Obama to win ? Cant handle someone who isent a socialist ? omg.  . I know he will win, but I'd still vote for Romney if I could. (We dont need american to become as socialistic as EU.) T_T Every 7th american gets food stamps allready... So as it seems theire actually quite socialist  .. But don't tell em, else they might stop lieing to themselevs and start to restructure their welfare system.... ... ... . I'm jealous of you. In my opinion, Switzerland is the best country in Europe. No EU, high standard of living, democracy, freedom, neutrality, etc. I think the US government should definitely try to learn from Switzerland. If you were to take a moment to compare the size and scope of the United States to Switzerland, you would realize just how absurd this statement is.
I'm aware of the vast difference in territory. I still think my statement stands, though. I never said the US should copy everything Switzerland does, just that it could learn a few things. Especially things like neutrality.
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On April 21 2012 07:45 Zoesan wrote:
I could never vote for someone batshit crazy enough to be a mormon. If you're that dumb, you sure as hell aren't fit to run a country.
And yet I'm sure you advocate not judging minorities.
Anyone who is dumb enough to form an opinion based on someones personal beliefs is sure as hell not fit to post in this thread.
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On April 21 2012 07:51 xeo1 wrote:
Doesn't matter.. Politics is a useless institution which creates more problems than solutions. How about we make decisions based on scientific knowledge rather than some person's opinion which is influenced by corporations?
EDIT: typo
Everything is political. Even science. Somewhere in some lab there is loudmouth research trying to convince everyone else that his agenda supersedes all others.
Saying politics is useless is like saying math, art, science or design is useless. It defines culture and the world we experience. Unless you live in the forest with wolves, you're political. It's a non-sensical statement.
What you mean to say is government and politicians are useless. Which is also kind of silly.
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On April 21 2012 08:02 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 07:45 Zoesan wrote:
I could never vote for someone batshit crazy enough to be a mormon. If you're that dumb, you sure as hell aren't fit to run a country. And yet I'm sure you advocate not judging minorities. Anyone who is dumb enough to form an opinion based on someones personal beliefs is sure as hell not fit to post in this thread.
Anyone who is dumb enough to not form an opinion based on someone's personal beliefs will easily be scammed.
It is commonly accepted that Mormonism is ridiculous. If you just do a Google search for their beliefs - tell me if it's possible for any reasonable persn to subscribe to those beliefs if not for the fact that they were raised in the religion?
If there was an American Presidential nominee who believed in Scientology, would you not likewise call him dumb?
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On April 21 2012 08:02 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 07:45 Zoesan wrote:
I could never vote for someone batshit crazy enough to be a mormon. If you're that dumb, you sure as hell aren't fit to run a country. And yet I'm sure you advocate not judging minorities. Anyone who is dumb enough to form an opinion based on someones personal beliefs is sure as hell not fit to post in this thread.
What someone is prone to personally believe actually says a lot about the person. If I tell you I have a magical frog that lives in my drawer and helps me commune with God, you have the right to judge me on that. It says something about my sanity and/or intellect.
Substitute frog with underpants, and you're describing an aspect of Mormonism. It is a bizarre, fantastic, brazen religion that some people could just as soon call a cult.
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Ron Paul
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On April 21 2012 08:02 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 07:45 Zoesan wrote:
I could never vote for someone batshit crazy enough to be a mormon. If you're that dumb, you sure as hell aren't fit to run a country. And yet I'm sure you advocate not judging minorities. Anyone who is dumb enough to form an opinion based on someones personal beliefs is sure as hell not fit to post in this thread.
Speaking as somebody who was raised mormon, in Utah, I have to disagree. Core LDS beliefs are just as ridiculous as scientology or lord of the rings. Mormons are not a minority who need to be defended.
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Don't like either.. but the less harmful will be 4 more years. Voting Obama because I can't stand the idea of Rommney being pres. They both play to the money, but Obama at least gives more than Mitt's shrug of indifference when it comes to the poor. If you're rich you'll be okay, and if you're working class the government will make no difference.
Kind of annoyed with the republican party this election year. Seems like they brought out the B team. Watching the republican national convention was plain embarassing. If they brought out a moderate republican canidate with some visibility then it would be an easily taken election. What did we get? A freak show that seems to run like a shock jock radio show rather than a leader looking for the highest office.
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On April 21 2012 08:17 Leporello wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 08:02 Papulatus wrote:On April 21 2012 07:45 Zoesan wrote:
I could never vote for someone batshit crazy enough to be a mormon. If you're that dumb, you sure as hell aren't fit to run a country. And yet I'm sure you advocate not judging minorities. Anyone who is dumb enough to form an opinion based on someones personal beliefs is sure as hell not fit to post in this thread. What someone is prone to personally believe actually says a lot about the person. If I tell you I have a magical frag that lives in my drawer and helps me commune with God, you have the right to judge me on that. It says something about my sanity and/or intellect. Substitute frog with underpants, and you're describing an aspect of Mormonism. It is a bizarre, fantastic, brazen religion that some people could just as soon call a cult.
I don't see why Mormonism is any less ridiculous than any other religions. Christianity certainly has seemingly ridiculous aspects to it.
As long as it doesn't affect a person's ability to do their job (which from Romney's track record as governor of Mass it hasn't) then what is the problem? I could really care less if someone believe that everything was controlled by a magic sky fairy as long as he/she was competent.
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