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On April 21 2012 08:17 Leporello wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 08:02 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 07:45 Zoesan wrote:
I could never vote for someone batshit crazy enough to be a mormon. If you're that dumb, you sure as hell aren't fit to run a country. And yet I'm sure you advocate not judging minorities. Anyone who is dumb enough to form an opinion based on someones personal beliefs is sure as hell not fit to post in this thread. What someone is prone to personally believe actually says a lot about the person. If I tell you I have a magical frag that lives in my drawer and helps me commune with God, you have the right to judge me on that. It says something about my sanity and/or intellect. Substitute frog with underpants, and you're describing an aspect of Mormonism. It is a bizarre, fantastic, brazen religion that some people could just as soon call a cult.
On April 21 2012 08:12 Black and Proud wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 08:02 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 07:45 Zoesan wrote:
I could never vote for someone batshit crazy enough to be a mormon. If you're that dumb, you sure as hell aren't fit to run a country. And yet I'm sure you advocate not judging minorities. Anyone who is dumb enough to form an opinion based on someones personal beliefs is sure as hell not fit to post in this thread. Anyone who is dumb enough to not form an opinion based on someone's personal beliefs will easily be scammed. It is commonly accepted that Mormonism is ridiculous. If you just do a Google search for their beliefs - tell me if it's possible for any reasonable persn to subscribe to those beliefs if not for the fact that they were raised in the religion? If there was an American Presidential nominee who believed in Scientology, would you not likewise call him dumb? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gLVMj.jpg)
On April 21 2012 08:25 rogzardo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 08:02 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 07:45 Zoesan wrote:
I could never vote for someone batshit crazy enough to be a mormon. If you're that dumb, you sure as hell aren't fit to run a country. And yet I'm sure you advocate not judging minorities. Anyone who is dumb enough to form an opinion based on someones personal beliefs is sure as hell not fit to post in this thread. Speaking as somebody who was raised mormon, in Utah, I have to disagree. Core LDS beliefs are just as ridiculous as scientology or lord of the rings. Mormons are not a minority who need to be defended.
Can we please keep the absolutely moronic "whose religion is stupider" arguments off of teamliquid? We don't need more intolerance on this site than we've already got.
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On April 21 2012 08:27 liberal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 08:17 Leporello wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 08:02 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 07:45 Zoesan wrote:
I could never vote for someone batshit crazy enough to be a mormon. If you're that dumb, you sure as hell aren't fit to run a country. And yet I'm sure you advocate not judging minorities. Anyone who is dumb enough to form an opinion based on someones personal beliefs is sure as hell not fit to post in this thread. What someone is prone to personally believe actually says a lot about the person. If I tell you I have a magical frag that lives in my drawer and helps me commune with God, you have the right to judge me on that. It says something about my sanity and/or intellect. Substitute frog with underpants, and you're describing an aspect of Mormonism. It is a bizarre, fantastic, brazen religion that some people could just as soon call a cult. Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 08:12 Black and Proud wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 08:02 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 07:45 Zoesan wrote:
I could never vote for someone batshit crazy enough to be a mormon. If you're that dumb, you sure as hell aren't fit to run a country. And yet I'm sure you advocate not judging minorities. Anyone who is dumb enough to form an opinion based on someones personal beliefs is sure as hell not fit to post in this thread. Anyone who is dumb enough to not form an opinion based on someone's personal beliefs will easily be scammed. It is commonly accepted that Mormonism is ridiculous. If you just do a Google search for their beliefs - tell me if it's possible for any reasonable persn to subscribe to those beliefs if not for the fact that they were raised in the religion? If there was an American Presidential nominee who believed in Scientology, would you not likewise call him dumb? Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 08:25 rogzardo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 08:02 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 07:45 Zoesan wrote:
I could never vote for someone batshit crazy enough to be a mormon. If you're that dumb, you sure as hell aren't fit to run a country. And yet I'm sure you advocate not judging minorities. Anyone who is dumb enough to form an opinion based on someones personal beliefs is sure as hell not fit to post in this thread. Speaking as somebody who was raised mormon, in Utah, I have to disagree. Core LDS beliefs are just as ridiculous as scientology or lord of the rings. Mormons are not a minority who need to be defended. Can we please keep the absolutely moronic "whose religion is stupider" arguments off of teamliquid? We don't need more intolerance on this site than we've already got.
Romney being Mormon is my biggest reason for not voting for him. Many, many other people in this country vote for president based on religious belief. It's relevant, and you shouldn't be surprised it came up.
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On April 21 2012 08:35 rogzardo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 08:27 liberal wrote:On April 21 2012 08:17 Leporello wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 08:02 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 07:45 Zoesan wrote:
I could never vote for someone batshit crazy enough to be a mormon. If you're that dumb, you sure as hell aren't fit to run a country. And yet I'm sure you advocate not judging minorities. Anyone who is dumb enough to form an opinion based on someones personal beliefs is sure as hell not fit to post in this thread. What someone is prone to personally believe actually says a lot about the person. If I tell you I have a magical frag that lives in my drawer and helps me commune with God, you have the right to judge me on that. It says something about my sanity and/or intellect. Substitute frog with underpants, and you're describing an aspect of Mormonism. It is a bizarre, fantastic, brazen religion that some people could just as soon call a cult. On April 21 2012 08:12 Black and Proud wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 08:02 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 07:45 Zoesan wrote:
I could never vote for someone batshit crazy enough to be a mormon. If you're that dumb, you sure as hell aren't fit to run a country. And yet I'm sure you advocate not judging minorities. Anyone who is dumb enough to form an opinion based on someones personal beliefs is sure as hell not fit to post in this thread. Anyone who is dumb enough to not form an opinion based on someone's personal beliefs will easily be scammed. It is commonly accepted that Mormonism is ridiculous. If you just do a Google search for their beliefs - tell me if it's possible for any reasonable persn to subscribe to those beliefs if not for the fact that they were raised in the religion? If there was an American Presidential nominee who believed in Scientology, would you not likewise call him dumb? On April 21 2012 08:25 rogzardo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 08:02 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 07:45 Zoesan wrote:
I could never vote for someone batshit crazy enough to be a mormon. If you're that dumb, you sure as hell aren't fit to run a country. And yet I'm sure you advocate not judging minorities. Anyone who is dumb enough to form an opinion based on someones personal beliefs is sure as hell not fit to post in this thread. Speaking as somebody who was raised mormon, in Utah, I have to disagree. Core LDS beliefs are just as ridiculous as scientology or lord of the rings. Mormons are not a minority who need to be defended. Can we please keep the absolutely moronic "whose religion is stupider" arguments off of teamliquid? We don't need more intolerance on this site than we've already got. Romney being Mormon is my biggest reason for not voting for him. Many, many other people in this country vote for president based on religious belief. It's relevant, and you shouldn't be surprised it came up.
Yes, I've known for a long time that people have terrible reasons for the votes they make. That doesn't mean we should have terrible arguments on this site.
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What i was thinking about the upcoming election as an European is Obama has got this won before it even started.
because of these reasons
-Mormon (Feels like religion is an important issue in US elections)
-very liberal for a conservative.
-"draai kont" has switched opinions often.
Ofcourse i am no American so my ideas are purely based on the little Fox News and Daily show/colbert report i watch and sporadic Financial times reading
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Its not a terrible argument. Like an earlier poster said, I seriously doubt the mental capacity of a man who believes that Native Americans were originally white, but were turned red as punishment for being sinners.
The president can make or break the economy and has 10,000 nukes at his disposal. I need to trust his judgement.
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On April 21 2012 08:27 liberal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 08:17 Leporello wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 08:02 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 07:45 Zoesan wrote:
I could never vote for someone batshit crazy enough to be a mormon. If you're that dumb, you sure as hell aren't fit to run a country. And yet I'm sure you advocate not judging minorities. Anyone who is dumb enough to form an opinion based on someones personal beliefs is sure as hell not fit to post in this thread. What someone is prone to personally believe actually says a lot about the person. If I tell you I have a magical frag that lives in my drawer and helps me commune with God, you have the right to judge me on that. It says something about my sanity and/or intellect. Substitute frog with underpants, and you're describing an aspect of Mormonism. It is a bizarre, fantastic, brazen religion that some people could just as soon call a cult. Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 08:12 Black and Proud wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 08:02 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 07:45 Zoesan wrote:
I could never vote for someone batshit crazy enough to be a mormon. If you're that dumb, you sure as hell aren't fit to run a country. And yet I'm sure you advocate not judging minorities. Anyone who is dumb enough to form an opinion based on someones personal beliefs is sure as hell not fit to post in this thread. Anyone who is dumb enough to not form an opinion based on someone's personal beliefs will easily be scammed. It is commonly accepted that Mormonism is ridiculous. If you just do a Google search for their beliefs - tell me if it's possible for any reasonable persn to subscribe to those beliefs if not for the fact that they were raised in the religion? If there was an American Presidential nominee who believed in Scientology, would you not likewise call him dumb? Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 08:25 rogzardo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 08:02 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 07:45 Zoesan wrote:
I could never vote for someone batshit crazy enough to be a mormon. If you're that dumb, you sure as hell aren't fit to run a country. And yet I'm sure you advocate not judging minorities. Anyone who is dumb enough to form an opinion based on someones personal beliefs is sure as hell not fit to post in this thread. Speaking as somebody who was raised mormon, in Utah, I have to disagree. Core LDS beliefs are just as ridiculous as scientology or lord of the rings. Mormons are not a minority who need to be defended. Can we please keep the absolutely moronic "whose religion is stupider" arguments off of teamliquid? We don't need more intolerance on this site than we've already got.
Hmm. Another aspect of Mormonism to consider -- it is ethno-centric. It is a religion created by Americans that claims America as some sort of Holy Land.
I actually find it terrifying to think our president could possibly hold such a personal belief. It's at least well worth mentioning.
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On April 21 2012 08:42 Leporello wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 08:27 liberal wrote:On April 21 2012 08:17 Leporello wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 08:02 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 07:45 Zoesan wrote:
I could never vote for someone batshit crazy enough to be a mormon. If you're that dumb, you sure as hell aren't fit to run a country. And yet I'm sure you advocate not judging minorities. Anyone who is dumb enough to form an opinion based on someones personal beliefs is sure as hell not fit to post in this thread. What someone is prone to personally believe actually says a lot about the person. If I tell you I have a magical frag that lives in my drawer and helps me commune with God, you have the right to judge me on that. It says something about my sanity and/or intellect. Substitute frog with underpants, and you're describing an aspect of Mormonism. It is a bizarre, fantastic, brazen religion that some people could just as soon call a cult. On April 21 2012 08:12 Black and Proud wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 08:02 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 07:45 Zoesan wrote:
I could never vote for someone batshit crazy enough to be a mormon. If you're that dumb, you sure as hell aren't fit to run a country. And yet I'm sure you advocate not judging minorities. Anyone who is dumb enough to form an opinion based on someones personal beliefs is sure as hell not fit to post in this thread. Anyone who is dumb enough to not form an opinion based on someone's personal beliefs will easily be scammed. It is commonly accepted that Mormonism is ridiculous. If you just do a Google search for their beliefs - tell me if it's possible for any reasonable persn to subscribe to those beliefs if not for the fact that they were raised in the religion? If there was an American Presidential nominee who believed in Scientology, would you not likewise call him dumb? On April 21 2012 08:25 rogzardo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 08:02 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 07:45 Zoesan wrote:
I could never vote for someone batshit crazy enough to be a mormon. If you're that dumb, you sure as hell aren't fit to run a country. And yet I'm sure you advocate not judging minorities. Anyone who is dumb enough to form an opinion based on someones personal beliefs is sure as hell not fit to post in this thread. Speaking as somebody who was raised mormon, in Utah, I have to disagree. Core LDS beliefs are just as ridiculous as scientology or lord of the rings. Mormons are not a minority who need to be defended. Can we please keep the absolutely moronic "whose religion is stupider" arguments off of teamliquid? We don't need more intolerance on this site than we've already got. Hmm. Another aspect of Mormonism to consider -- it is ethno-centric. It is a religion created by Americans that claims America as some sort of Holy Land. I actually find it terrifying to think our president could possibly hold such a personal belief. It's at least well worth mentioning.
FYI, Zion, and the location where Jesus will return to earth to 'cleanse' it, is in Missouri.
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On April 21 2012 08:41 rogzardo wrote:
Its not a terrible argument. Like an earlier poster said, I seriously doubt the mental capacity of a man who believes that Native Americans were originally white, but were turned red as punishment for being sinners.
The president can make or break the economy and has 10,000 nukes at his disposal. I need to trust his judgement.
Ok, let's play your stupid game then.
Obama is a Christian. That means he believes a man lived in a whale's belly for 3 days and survived. I guess you can't vote for Obama either.
I'm sure you just have a particular bigotry for Mormons though.
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As much as i like obama, i like romney's economic plans over obama's and as a canadian our market relies off the states dude to trade partners etc.
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On April 21 2012 08:44 liberal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 08:41 rogzardo wrote:
Its not a terrible argument. Like an earlier poster said, I seriously doubt the mental capacity of a man who believes that Native Americans were originally white, but were turned red as punishment for being sinners.
The president can make or break the economy and has 10,000 nukes at his disposal. I need to trust his judgement. Ok, let's play your stupid game then. Obama is a Christian. That means he believes a man lived in a whale's belly for 3 days and survived. I guess you can't vote for Obama either. I'm sure you just have a particular bigotry for Mormons though.
Stupid game? You're a little smarter already!
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Seriously guys? I thought only the Evangelicals voted based on religious preference.
Every religion has something "questionable" in it, but it's necessary for a politician to be religious if he wants to get elected. That might suck for some of you, but thats the way it is. Romney was raised Mormon, his family was Mormon, his friends were Mormon, etc. Do you really think he's just going to switch like that? It's pretty clear he's not a hardcore Mormon (like Santorum is a hardcore Catholic) otherwise we would have seen him advocating the whole "USA new Zion" stuff. He's never done anything remotely like that....
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If I'd get to vote my vote would go to Rick Perry
He is the man
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On April 21 2012 08:44 liberal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 08:41 rogzardo wrote:
Its not a terrible argument. Like an earlier poster said, I seriously doubt the mental capacity of a man who believes that Native Americans were originally white, but were turned red as punishment for being sinners.
The president can make or break the economy and has 10,000 nukes at his disposal. I need to trust his judgement. Ok, let's play your stupid game then. Obama is a Christian. That means he believes a man lived in a whale's belly for 3 days and survived. I guess you can't vote for Obama either. I'm sure you just have a particular bigotry for Mormons though.
The thing is, Obama most likely only pretends to believe in Christianity. The Church he attended for decades is a liberal Church - the type that focus more on social justice rather than taking literal interpretations of the Bible.
Chances are Obama thinks the story of Jonah is metaphorical for some bullshit related to God trying to teach people about the values of courage and doing what you feel is right rather than trying to run away. The difference is Romney genuinely believes in Mormonism and even served as a Mormon parish leader.
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On April 21 2012 08:09 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 07:51 xeo1 wrote:
Doesn't matter.. Politics is a useless institution which creates more problems than solutions. How about we make decisions based on scientific knowledge rather than some person's opinion which is influenced by corporations?
EDIT: typo Everything is political. Even science. Somewhere in some lab there is loudmouth research trying to convince everyone else that his agenda supersedes all others. Saying politics is useless is like saying math, art, science or design is useless. It defines culture and the world we experience. Unless you live in the forest with wolves, you're political. It's a non-sensical statement. What you mean to say is government and politicians are useless. Which is also kind of silly.
Governmental politicians. Their job relies on mesmerizing people so they get elected, meanwhile nothing fundamental ever gets solved because it's out of their capability..
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On April 21 2012 08:55 Black and Proud wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 08:44 liberal wrote:On April 21 2012 08:41 rogzardo wrote:
Its not a terrible argument. Like an earlier poster said, I seriously doubt the mental capacity of a man who believes that Native Americans were originally white, but were turned red as punishment for being sinners.
The president can make or break the economy and has 10,000 nukes at his disposal. I need to trust his judgement. Ok, let's play your stupid game then. Obama is a Christian. That means he believes a man lived in a whale's belly for 3 days and survived. I guess you can't vote for Obama either. I'm sure you just have a particular bigotry for Mormons though. The thing is, Obama most likely only pretends to believe in Christianity. The Church he attended for decades is a liberal Church - the type that focus more on social justice rather than taking literal interpretations of the Bible. Chances are Obama thinks the story of Jonah is metaphorical for some bullshit related to God trying to teach people about the values of courage and doing what you feel is right rather than trying to run away. The difference is Romney genuinely believes in Mormonism and even served as a Mormon parish leader.
I disagree. I don't think Romney genuinely believes in Mormonism. I think it's more of a gentlemen's club type thing for him, a bunch of rich and power men he hangs out with.
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On April 21 2012 08:55 Black and Proud wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 08:44 liberal wrote:On April 21 2012 08:41 rogzardo wrote:
Its not a terrible argument. Like an earlier poster said, I seriously doubt the mental capacity of a man who believes that Native Americans were originally white, but were turned red as punishment for being sinners.
The president can make or break the economy and has 10,000 nukes at his disposal. I need to trust his judgement. Ok, let's play your stupid game then. Obama is a Christian. That means he believes a man lived in a whale's belly for 3 days and survived. I guess you can't vote for Obama either. I'm sure you just have a particular bigotry for Mormons though. The thing is, Obama most likely only pretends to believe in Christianity. The Church he attended for decades is a liberal Church - the type that focus more on social justice rather than taking literal interpretations of the Bible. Chances are Obama thinks the story of Jonah is metaphorical for some bullshit related to God trying to teach people about the values of courage and doing what you feel is right rather than trying to run away. The difference is Romney genuinely believes in Mormonism and even served as a Mormon parish leader.
This is pure speculation, but personally I think Obama became Christian simply to be involved in the black community of Chicago, work as a community organizer, and participate in the political landscape there.
He described his mother as being a 'secular humanist' ... i.e. an atheist. There is no way that Obama thinks Jonah lived in a whale.
And to be fair, I don't think Romney thinks his underwear is magic. It's just a ritual that's part of his community. He's not betting that his underwear is going to protect America from nuclear missiles.
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On April 21 2012 08:45 iiGreetings wrote:
As much as i like obama, i like romney's economic plans over obama's and as a canadian our market relies off the states dude to trade partners etc.
They have the same general plan, with the exception being the department of energy. Hell, Obamacare was practically swiped from Romney.
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On April 21 2012 08:45 iiGreetings wrote:
As much as i like obama, i like romney's economic plans over obama's and as a canadian our market relies off the states dude to trade partners etc.
How so? What makes Romney's plans better?
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On April 21 2012 08:26 DarJir wrote:
Don't like either.. but the less harmful will be 4 more years. Voting Obama because I can't stand the idea of Rommney being pres. They both play to the money, but Obama at least gives more than Mitt's shrug of indifference when it comes to the poor. If you're rich you'll be okay, and if you're working class the government will make no difference.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/14/us/14census.html?pagewanted=all Obama has done soooo much for the poor. Or maybe its the 15%+ unemployment. Obama's economic plans crush the US that's why every budget he proposes gets no votes. He is horrible for every class of citizen.
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On April 21 2012 08:35 rogzardo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 08:27 liberal wrote:On April 21 2012 08:17 Leporello wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 08:02 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 07:45 Zoesan wrote:
I could never vote for someone batshit crazy enough to be a mormon. If you're that dumb, you sure as hell aren't fit to run a country. And yet I'm sure you advocate not judging minorities. Anyone who is dumb enough to form an opinion based on someones personal beliefs is sure as hell not fit to post in this thread. What someone is prone to personally believe actually says a lot about the person. If I tell you I have a magical frag that lives in my drawer and helps me commune with God, you have the right to judge me on that. It says something about my sanity and/or intellect. Substitute frog with underpants, and you're describing an aspect of Mormonism. It is a bizarre, fantastic, brazen religion that some people could just as soon call a cult. On April 21 2012 08:12 Black and Proud wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 08:02 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 07:45 Zoesan wrote:
I could never vote for someone batshit crazy enough to be a mormon. If you're that dumb, you sure as hell aren't fit to run a country. And yet I'm sure you advocate not judging minorities. Anyone who is dumb enough to form an opinion based on someones personal beliefs is sure as hell not fit to post in this thread. Anyone who is dumb enough to not form an opinion based on someone's personal beliefs will easily be scammed. It is commonly accepted that Mormonism is ridiculous. If you just do a Google search for their beliefs - tell me if it's possible for any reasonable persn to subscribe to those beliefs if not for the fact that they were raised in the religion? If there was an American Presidential nominee who believed in Scientology, would you not likewise call him dumb? On April 21 2012 08:25 rogzardo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 08:02 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 07:45 Zoesan wrote:
I could never vote for someone batshit crazy enough to be a mormon. If you're that dumb, you sure as hell aren't fit to run a country. And yet I'm sure you advocate not judging minorities. Anyone who is dumb enough to form an opinion based on someones personal beliefs is sure as hell not fit to post in this thread. Speaking as somebody who was raised mormon, in Utah, I have to disagree. Core LDS beliefs are just as ridiculous as scientology or lord of the rings. Mormons are not a minority who need to be defended. Can we please keep the absolutely moronic "whose religion is stupider" arguments off of teamliquid? We don't need more intolerance on this site than we've already got. Romney being Mormon is my biggest reason for not voting for him. Many, many other people in this country vote for president based on religious belief. It's relevant, and you shouldn't be surprised it came up.
TBH being Mormon is not much crazier than being an avid follower of ANY religion. If you are some Evangelical hick, and you think that you are superior to a Mormon because your beliefs are somehow less insane, then you're fucking wrong.
You shouldn't take religion into account when voting if the candidate keeps it as a personal matter/ belief. Conversely, if a candidate like Santorum DOES base his campaign around his Religion, then yeah, screw voting for him and his stupid Religion.
Anyway, I'de never vote for either of them.
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