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On April 21 2012 11:03 Silidons wrote:
For me, the second an Atheist person runs for President they will likely insta-get my vote. Kind of shitty having 0% representation in gov't.
The problem with that is only about 8% of the US don't believe in a god of some kid and even more believe in other stuff (voodoo, etc) So really your stuck in the same boat as a lot of people I wish there was a viable Libertarian and fiscal conservative but it ain't gonna happen.
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On April 21 2012 11:40 CajunMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 11:03 Silidons wrote:
For me, the second an Atheist person runs for President they will likely insta-get my vote. Kind of shitty having 0% representation in gov't. The problem with that is only about 8% of the US don't believe in a god of some kid and even more believe in other stuff (voodoo, etc) So really your stuck in the same boat as a lot of people I wish there was a viable Libertarian and fiscal conservative but it ain't gonna happen.
Yes! Exactly, but unfortunately you're right its just not going to happen.
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On April 21 2012 11:40 CajunMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 11:03 Silidons wrote:
For me, the second an Atheist person runs for President they will likely insta-get my vote. Kind of shitty having 0% representation in gov't. The problem with that is only about 8% of the US don't believe in a god of some kid and even more believe in other stuff (voodoo, etc) So really your stuck in the same boat as a lot of people I wish there was a viable Libertarian and fiscal conservative but it ain't gonna happen.
I'm trying to find the article that was posted a couple of days ago about Atheism is risisng in the U.S. faster than those being converted.
This group, sometimes collectively labeled the "Nones," is growing faster than any religious faith in the U.S. About two thirds of Nones say they are former believers; 24 percent are lapsed Catholics and 29 percent once identified with other Christian denominations.
If growth continues at the current rate, one in four Americans will profess no religious faith within 20 years. Silverman hopes that as nonbelief spreads, atheists can become a "legitimate political segment of the American population," afforded the same protections as religious groups and ethnic minorities. But he's not advocating a complete secular takeover of the U.S. — nor would he be likely to achieve one, given the abiding religious faith of most Americans.
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EDIT: Found it.
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On April 21 2012 10:08 viletomato wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 09:53 Black and Proud wrote:
You could say the same thing about a friend of a friend of mine who is a Buddhist when I visited Asia. Blah blah blah... Insert stories about generous hospitality thus proving that people who follow the religion are the nicest people on Earth. I didn't say they were the nicest people on earth did I? I'm sure Buddhists are great people as well. I'm just trying to say they are not some scary people as my previous poster said.
"If you ever actually visit Utah you will find the people there are the nicest people you will probably ever meet."
You did actually imply that they were the nicest people.
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On April 21 2012 11:06 screamingpalm wrote:
Time for the Church to start paying taxes.
Amen.
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On April 21 2012 12:18 Leporello wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 11:06 screamingpalm wrote:
Time for the Church to start paying taxes. Amen.
so fucking right
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On April 21 2012 11:37 alpinefpOPP wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 18:47 Velr wrote:On April 20 2012 15:02 Rossen wrote:Wait why is everyone who isent from America wanting Obama to win ? Cant handle someone who isent a socialist ? omg.  . I know he will win, but I'd still vote for Romney if I could. (We dont need american to become as socialistic as EU.) T_T Every 7th american gets food stamps allready... So as it seems theire actually quite socialist  .. But don't tell em, else they might stop lieing to themselevs and start to restructure their welfare system.... ... ... . Most americans end up having enough pride to pick themselves up and not even need some b.s. welfare system
Except almost every American benefits from some form of welfare, usually in the form of tax credits and benefits.
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On Friday, Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign redefined its connection with Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach (R) — again.
Kobach’s role with Romney has emerged as one of the central issues Romney faces as he tries to pivot away from his strong anti-immigration stance in the GOP primaries and head off President Obama’s expected strong showing with the Latino electorate in the general election. Advocates for the Latino community and Democrats have said that Romney’s ties to Kobach — an architect of anti-immigration laws in Arizona and Alabama — are a poison pill that makes connecting with Latino voters all but impossible.
Kobach says he’s an adviser to Romney’s campaign on immigration issues. Earlier this week, Romney’s campaign said that wasn’t the case, though Kobach insisted that it was. Now there’s a point of agreement: Kobach is an adviser, the Romney campaign acknowledged on Friday, but it’s not clear what that means.
Kobach “considers himself an ‘informal adviser’ to Romney,” CNN reported Friday. “Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul agreed with that assessment in an email to CNN.”
Earlier in the week, Team Romney was calling Kobach a “supporter” when asked why Kobach didn’t appear on a published list of advisers.
The Romney campaign did not immediately respond to a request for clarification from TPM about what Kobach’s role actually is.
In the January press release announcing Kobach’s support — which came in the midst of Romney pushing hard to the right on immigration to outflank Texas Gov. Rick Perry — Romney touted his connection to Kobach, who was also an adviser on his 2008 run.
“With Kris on the team, I look forward to working with him to take forceful steps to curtail illegal immigration and to support states like South Carolina and Arizona that are stepping forward to address this problem,” Romney said in the January release.
The pair could be set for a ideological split soon. Romney has signaled he wants a Republican version of the DREAM Act (which Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio says is in the works), but Kobach has said it doesn’t pass his test for immigration reform.
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EDIT: Late on the wagon, nvm
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On April 21 2012 11:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 11:40 CajunMan wrote:On April 21 2012 11:03 Silidons wrote:
For me, the second an Atheist person runs for President they will likely insta-get my vote. Kind of shitty having 0% representation in gov't. The problem with that is only about 8% of the US don't believe in a god of some kid and even more believe in other stuff (voodoo, etc) So really your stuck in the same boat as a lot of people I wish there was a viable Libertarian and fiscal conservative but it ain't gonna happen. I'm trying to find the article that was posted a couple of days ago about Atheism is risisng in the U.S. faster than those being converted. Show nested quote +This group, sometimes collectively labeled the "Nones," is growing faster than any religious faith in the U.S. About two thirds of Nones say they are former believers; 24 percent are lapsed Catholics and 29 percent once identified with other Christian denominations. Show nested quote +If growth continues at the current rate, one in four Americans will profess no religious faith within 20 years. Silverman hopes that as nonbelief spreads, atheists can become a "legitimate political segment of the American population," afforded the same protections as religious groups and ethnic minorities. But he's not advocating a complete secular takeover of the U.S. — nor would he be likely to achieve one, given the abiding religious faith of most Americans. SourceEDIT: Found it.
Sounds about right I wouldn't doubt that the only problem with a atheist group coming to power is there view points on politics and ethics would all be different the only thing they would agree on is the is no god lol. So I could easily imagine a day with a large atheist population and one coming to power I was just saying its really unlikely now
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Honestly I feel like the only major hurdle Obama has in this election is dealing with the likely falling of Obamacare over the summer, which will inconveniently be very near the actual election date. I feel like he has a significant advantage over Romney in basically everything else, but the timing of that is going to be so incredibly inconvenient and there is no doubt it's going to be greatly exaggerated by conservative media and the GOP.
I heard one conspiracy-esque theory that the GOP expects to lose and is therefore actively trying to shift the country to the right for when the next election comes (via all the rhetoric and what have you that they've been doing). I doubt there's anything so intentional going on (try to imagine a meeting where all the top GOP people get together and plan that), but I do wonder if there's any truth to the end results. E.g., will the country end up having its views pulled a bit to the right because of all of this? America is already pretty right of center on the world scale.
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On April 21 2012 13:11 Craton wrote:
Honestly I feel like the only major hurdle Obama has in this election is dealing with the likely falling of Obamacare over the summer, which will inconveniently be very near the actual election date. I feel like he has a significant advantage over Romney in basically everything else, but the timing of that is going to be so incredibly inconvenient and there is no doubt it's going to be greatly exaggerated by conservative media and the GOP.
I heard one conspiracy-esque theory that the GOP expects to lose and is therefore actively trying to shift the country to the right for when the next election comes (via all the rhetoric and what have you that they've been doing). I doubt there's anything so intentional going on (try to imagine a meeting where all the top GOP people get together and plan that), but I do wonder if there's any truth to the end results. E.g., will the country end up having its views pulled a bit to the right because of all of this? America is already pretty right of center on the world scale.
They're trying to shift the country to the right RIGHT now.
1/3 of congress is up for election as well. The Republican Party wants those seats badly.
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Mitt romey or I denounce my citizenship and move to the Philippines.
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On April 21 2012 13:21 Voltaire wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 13:11 Craton wrote:
Honestly I feel like the only major hurdle Obama has in this election is dealing with the likely falling of Obamacare over the summer, which will inconveniently be very near the actual election date. I feel like he has a significant advantage over Romney in basically everything else, but the timing of that is going to be so incredibly inconvenient and there is no doubt it's going to be greatly exaggerated by conservative media and the GOP.
I heard one conspiracy-esque theory that the GOP expects to lose and is therefore actively trying to shift the country to the right for when the next election comes (via all the rhetoric and what have you that they've been doing). I doubt there's anything so intentional going on (try to imagine a meeting where all the top GOP people get together and plan that), but I do wonder if there's any truth to the end results. E.g., will the country end up having its views pulled a bit to the right because of all of this? America is already pretty right of center on the world scale. They're trying to shift the country to the right RIGHT now. 1/3 of congress is up for election as well. The Republican Party wants those seats badly.
At this point if the elections go anything like last time it won't matter if Obama is elected the house and Senate will be such a land slide for the Republicans Obama couldn't pass anything if he wanted.
On April 21 2012 13:22 logikly wrote:
Mitt romey or I denounce my citizenship and move to the Philippines.
Pretty sure Philippines are US territory lol. Go to Japan or South Korea SC2 time son that's what I plan.
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The Philippines are a sovereign nation
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On April 21 2012 11:40 CajunMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 11:03 Silidons wrote:
For me, the second an Atheist person runs for President they will likely insta-get my vote. Kind of shitty having 0% representation in gov't. The problem with that is only about 8% of the US don't believe in a god of some kid and even more believe in other stuff (voodoo, etc) So really your stuck in the same boat as a lot of people I wish there was a viable Libertarian and fiscal conservative but it ain't gonna happen.
Pretty much nobody gets their ideal candidate. You just gotta vote for what comes closest.
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On April 21 2012 11:40 CajunMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 11:03 Silidons wrote:
For me, the second an Atheist person runs for President they will likely insta-get my vote. Kind of shitty having 0% representation in gov't. The problem with that is only about 8% of the US don't believe in a god of some kid and even more believe in other stuff (voodoo, etc) So really your stuck in the same boat as a lot of people I wish there was a viable Libertarian and fiscal conservative but it ain't gonna happen.
That figure is probably much higher in reality, but claiming to be an atheist is political suicide in the states. I'm sure there are plenty of atheist senators/representatives, but they definitely won't be telling anyone.
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If Obama doesn't win, it will be a sad day for everyone in the world. Please vote for him.
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Just read a NYT article on how Obama has been getting less corporate donations. Seems to make sense. Not going along with big business=less of their money. And then you get Romney's PACs. I don't hate Romney. I just hate the number of promises he's had to make to his big donors.
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On April 21 2012 13:44 CaucasianAsian wrote:
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The Philippines are a sovereign nation
We did own the Philippines from the 1800s till the 1940s and we still own Guam. Close enough lol its 1:30 am.
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