On November 08 2012 02:26 Probe1 wrote: I think the funniest thing on news networks last night (outside of Fox News obviously) were the people saying Republicans need to get more of the Latino vote. Here's a great way to start: Stop the official policy of trying to deport them.
On November 08 2012 02:40 Fruscainte wrote: So I flip by Fox News to see how the buttmad is going, and I see this:
"Florida votes still being counted, race too close to call"
...didn't Mitt Romney already concede?
Florida can do whatever it wants: make a headstand, leave the US or try to conquer the moon: it doesn't matter. Obama won 303 electoral college votes without it and will therefore be the POTUS for another 4 years.
On November 08 2012 02:40 Fruscainte wrote: So I flip by Fox News to see how the buttmad is going, and I see this:
"Florida votes still being counted, race too close to call"
...didn't Mitt Romney already concede?
They're just desperately hoping to salvage something. Though with 97% of the vote in in FL and Obama having a 48K or so lead it seems like it was Obama's anyway.
I mean they can't talk about the popular vote anymore because Obama's lead on the west coast is steadily widening his lead to the point that all their blustering about it being an even race on that front is being shown to be, well, bluster.
On November 07 2012 21:36 konadora wrote: i have never been to america but i honestly wanted obama to win for the sake for america, its citizens and the world. so glad obama won and america proving it still had some humanity and common sense left in them.
based on what exactly, you didnt like the big bad republican like everyone else? im not sure why people are celebrating so hard, nothing has changed and obama will continue to run up the debt to astronomical levels until investors are so shit scared of spending money in america that the market will recede harder than it did the first time. but gay marriage and free contraception are all that matters, right?
That, and avoiding a president from an anti science, anti intellectual, faith over reason base of evangelical lunatics. (You know, the ones that have taken over the republican party in the last decade+ and are now getting the tinfoil hats out, because President Satan Mc Blacky will not only ruin the economy but also come and take away their guns/bibles.)
Sorry, but the w/rest of the world is kinda big on basing decisions on Science and Reason and would like the "leader of the free world" to share those values. Thus the celebrating. No offense to people wearing magic underwear of course, to each his own.
You clearly know very little about Mitt Romney, conservatism, the United States, or the republican party. So, fuck you. All Germans are clearly asshats like you (I can generalize too!).
His assessment was not extremely off.
Science expenditures by the federal gov't have been higher under republican leadership in the past 20 years, with the exception of Obama's stimulus, which blew up spending everywhere. Fact. Mitt Romney's stance is that evolution, not ID or creationism should be taught in class rooms. Fact. I fail to see how this is anti-intellectual. Only about half of the Republican Party is evangelical and guess what? Religion is not an indicator of anti-intellectualism. There aren't a ton of tinfoil hats and nobody is calling Obama Satan McBlacky. His assessment was very far off.
Considering he was not talking about Romney but about Republican evangelical base, he was quite right. Especially since if elected he has to placate them with some acts. Plus there are actually people calling Obama even worse.
On November 08 2012 02:26 Probe1 wrote: I think the funniest thing on news networks last night (outside of Fox News obviously) were the people saying Republicans need to get more of the Latino vote. Here's a great way to start: Stop the official policy of trying to deport them.
Idiots.
Not all latinos are illegal immigrants.
Idiots.
You don't think friends/family being deported weighs on the Latino vote? That's silly.
Edit: Has xDaunt made his post? I'm really interested in what he has to say. My post election post on my facebook centered around why Republicans lost (horrible campaign and horrible ideology). I know why they lost, I'm interested in what xDaunt thinks the Republican party needs to do over the coming years to change.
On November 08 2012 02:47 Risen wrote: Edit: Has xDaunt made his post? I'm really interested in what he has to say. My post election post on my facebook centered around why Republicans lost (horrible campaign and horrible ideology). I know why they lost, I'm interested in what xDaunt thinks the Republican party needs to do over the coming years to change.
On November 08 2012 02:26 Probe1 wrote: I think the funniest thing on news networks last night (outside of Fox News obviously) were the people saying Republicans need to get more of the Latino vote. Here's a great way to start: Stop the official policy of trying to deport them.
Idiots.
Then they royally piss off their Bible belt base.
Quite a quandary for them, really.
I really think the healthiest thing would be for the Republicans to split.
If the Republicans got rid of their social wingnuts, I would've voted for Romney over Obama.
I'm fine with people having those kind of opinions and they should obviously be represented (or in any case, will be represented) but it's just frustrating to watch the Republicans sometimes because the party really is quite diverse. But this internal diversity get shit on all the time because if you want to want to become a figurehead in the party you have to appease factions that demand things that you might not have ever supported otherwise. The internal political gaming in the Republicans has gotten really bad since 2008. It isn't really surprising at all that some Republicans have publicly shown their frustration with the two-party system this year. Republicans have much more to be frustrated about due to their internal factions that are much more divisive than the Democrats. I would love to see the Republican factions to split because there are many Republican figures that I respect a lot, and would definitely consider voting for if the rest of the Republican baggage didn't have to come with them. One could even remember how McCain gradually showed more and more frustration with some of the voter base that he had to appease. I didn't vote for Obama over Romney primarily over these two particular individuals. I voted the way I did because there is simply no way that I could support the Republican party as a whole in the state that they are in.
On November 08 2012 02:26 Probe1 wrote: I think the funniest thing on news networks last night (outside of Fox News obviously) were the people saying Republicans need to get more of the Latino vote. Here's a great way to start: Stop the official policy of trying to deport them.
Idiots.
Then they royally piss off their Bible belt base.
Quite a quandary for them, really.
I really think the healthiest thing would be for the Republicans to split.
If the Republicans got rid of their social wingnuts, I would've voted for Romney over Obama.
I'm fine with people having those kind of opinions and they should obviously be represented (or in any case, will be represented) but it's just frustrating to watch the Republicans sometimes because the party really is quite diverse. But this internal diversity get shit on all the time because if you want to want to become a figurehead in the party you have to appease factions that demand things that you might not have ever supported otherwise. The internal political gaming in the Republicans has gotten really bad since 2008. It isn't really surprising at all that some Republicans have publicly shown their frustration with the two-party system this year. Republicans have much more to be frustrated about due to their internal factions that are much more divisive than the Democrats. I would love to see the Republican factions to split because there are many Republican figures that I respect a lot, and would definitely consider voting for if the rest of the Republican baggage didn't have to come with them. One could even remember how McCain gradually showed more and more frustration with some of the voter base that he had to appease.
One can only hope.
Splitting is stupid, it'll become just like Canada, one party wins regardless of what the country thinks.
On November 07 2012 21:36 konadora wrote: i have never been to america but i honestly wanted obama to win for the sake for america, its citizens and the world. so glad obama won and america proving it still had some humanity and common sense left in them.
based on what exactly, you didnt like the big bad republican like everyone else? im not sure why people are celebrating so hard, nothing has changed and obama will continue to run up the debt to astronomical levels until investors are so shit scared of spending money in america that the market will recede harder than it did the first time. but gay marriage and free contraception are all that matters, right?
That, and avoiding a president from an anti science, anti intellectual, faith over reason base of evangelical lunatics. (You know, the ones that have taken over the republican party in the last decade+ and are now getting the tinfoil hats out, because President Satan Mc Blacky will not only ruin the economy but also come and take away their guns/bibles.)
Sorry, but the w/rest of the world is kinda big on basing decisions on Science and Reason and would like the "leader of the free world" to share those values. Thus the celebrating. No offense to people wearing magic underwear of course, to each his own.
You clearly know very little about Mitt Romney, conservatism, the United States, or the republican party. So, fuck you. All Germans are clearly asshats like you (I can generalize too!).
His assessment was not extremely off.
Science expenditures by the federal gov't have been higher under republican leadership in the past 20 years, with the exception of Obama's stimulus, which blew up spending everywhere. Fact. Mitt Romney's stance is that evolution, not ID or creationism should be taught in class rooms. Fact. I fail to see how this is anti-intellectual. Only about half of the Republican Party is evangelical and guess what? Religion is not an indicator of anti-intellectualism. There aren't a ton of tinfoil hats and nobody is calling Obama Satan McBlacky. His assessment was very far off.
Anti-intellectual does not directly entail that he believes ID should be taught in the classroom, you have to extrapolate his view that "federal government does not belong in education", so passing off the responsibility to the state and local level WOULD be anti-intellectual, it would mean that all the assholes who want to push for their version of history, their version of american politics, etc. would be free to do so as they please without oversight from the federal government, just like they've done with our textbooks in TX.
And actually, there are a lot of people calling Obama "Satan" and the anti-Christ and all sorts of other things, where have you been the past 4 years? And you're making a false correlation between evangelism and religion in this situation, evangelism and adhering to it undoubtedly gives you a more anti-intellectual stance on some issues because your rationale is not being informed by facts, only by your religious text and whatever interpretation you and whoever around you creates of it.
Also I'd like to know where you got these "science" numbers from, they must be drastically different from something like the NASA budget, which has fallen in every administration except the Clinton years since Kennedy
I said in the past 20 years, as that is the most accurate representation of recent policies.
There's the graph. The spike in spending is the stimulus, which blew up spending in every category. No mainstream republican has been calling obama satan in the past four years, you are looking at radicals with nothing to lose and assuming it's true of an entire party. They have said that he is ineffective and a bad leader, yes. Satan, no. Bush actually increased the NASA budget. And no, I will not equate evangelicalism with anti-intellectualism. Making decisions with morals based on religion is not stupid, it is what is seen by many as character. Obviously some might not agree, but the republican party is definitely not anti-intellectual.
There is a difference between making decisions with morals based on religion and believing something despite factual evidence based on religion. While I don't agree with their brand of morals, I can respect people who oppose gay marriage or abortion because of their religious values. It's not my place to question the basis for someone else's ethical beliefs.
The reason evangelicals are associated with anti-intellectualism is because they flat out refuse intellectualism. The theory of evolution can fit into religious teachings, but they flat out refuse factual evidence. Not to mention that you have prominent evangelical Republicans (Santorum) coming out and publicly saying they don't want to be associated with intellectuals. When a man almost nominated for the presidential ticket comes forward to say that ignorance is his preferred mode of operation, it's worrisome to the rest of us.
They shun education and intelligence like it's a disease America is currently suffering from. It's disturbing, quite frankly, and brings down the rest of the Republican base that is intellectual and is just looking for a more conservative political party than the Democrats without dealing with the crazy religious nuts.
On November 07 2012 21:36 konadora wrote: i have never been to america but i honestly wanted obama to win for the sake for america, its citizens and the world. so glad obama won and america proving it still had some humanity and common sense left in them.
based on what exactly, you didnt like the big bad republican like everyone else? im not sure why people are celebrating so hard, nothing has changed and obama will continue to run up the debt to astronomical levels until investors are so shit scared of spending money in america that the market will recede harder than it did the first time. but gay marriage and free contraception are all that matters, right?
That, and avoiding a president from an anti science, anti intellectual, faith over reason base of evangelical lunatics. (You know, the ones that have taken over the republican party in the last decade+ and are now getting the tinfoil hats out, because President Satan Mc Blacky will not only ruin the economy but also come and take away their guns/bibles.)
Sorry, but the w/rest of the world is kinda big on basing decisions on Science and Reason and would like the "leader of the free world" to share those values. Thus the celebrating. No offense to people wearing magic underwear of course, to each his own.
You clearly know very little about Mitt Romney, conservatism, the United States, or the republican party. So, fuck you. All Germans are clearly asshats like you (I can generalize too!).
His assessment was not extremely off.
Science expenditures by the federal gov't have been higher under republican leadership in the past 20 years, with the exception of Obama's stimulus, which blew up spending everywhere. Fact. Mitt Romney's stance is that evolution, not ID or creationism should be taught in class rooms. Fact. I fail to see how this is anti-intellectual. Only about half of the Republican Party is evangelical and guess what? Religion is not an indicator of anti-intellectualism. There aren't a ton of tinfoil hats and nobody is calling Obama Satan McBlacky. His assessment was very far off.
Anti-intellectual does not directly entail that he believes ID should be taught in the classroom, you have to extrapolate his view that "federal government does not belong in education", so passing off the responsibility to the state and local level WOULD be anti-intellectual, it would mean that all the assholes who want to push for their version of history, their version of american politics, etc. would be free to do so as they please without oversight from the federal government, just like they've done with our textbooks in TX.
And actually, there are a lot of people calling Obama "Satan" and the anti-Christ and all sorts of other things, where have you been the past 4 years? And you're making a false correlation between evangelism and religion in this situation, evangelism and adhering to it undoubtedly gives you a more anti-intellectual stance on some issues because your rationale is not being informed by facts, only by your religious text and whatever interpretation you and whoever around you creates of it.
Also I'd like to know where you got these "science" numbers from, they must be drastically different from something like the NASA budget, which has fallen in every administration except the Clinton years since Kennedy
I said in the past 20 years, as that is the most accurate representation of recent policies.
There's the graph. The spike in spending is the stimulus, which blew up spending in every category. No mainstream republican has been calling obama satan in the past four years, you are looking at radicals with nothing to lose and assuming it's true of an entire party. They have said that he is ineffective and a bad leader, yes. Satan, no. Bush actually increased the NASA budget. And no, I will not equate evangelicalism with anti-intellectualism. Making decisions with morals based on religion is not stupid, it is what is seen by many as character. Obviously some might not agree, but the republican party is definitely not anti-intellectual.
There is a difference between making decisions with morals based on religion and believing something despite factual evidence based on religion. While I don't agree with their brand of morals, I can respect people who oppose gay marriage or abortion because of their religious values. It's not my place to question the basis for someone else's ethical beliefs.
The reason evangelicals are associated with anti-intellectualism is because they flat out refuse intellectualism. The theory of evolution can fit into religious teachings, but they flat out refuse factual evidence. Not to mention that you have prominent evangelical Republicans (Santorum) coming out and publicly saying they don't want to be associated with intellectuals. When a man almost nominated for the presidential ticket comes forward to say that ignorance is his preferred mode of operation, it's worrisome to the rest of us.
They shun education and intelligence like it's a disease America is currently suffering from. It's disturbing, quite frankly, and brings down the rest of the Republican base that is intellectual and is just looking for a more conservative political party than the Democrats without dealing with the crazy religious nuts.
not to mention so many of these people LITERALLY believe that the rapture is going to happen in their lifetime and can't wait for it. As a result they don't care about climate change and actually want a war to break out in the middle east.
On November 07 2012 21:36 konadora wrote: i have never been to america but i honestly wanted obama to win for the sake for america, its citizens and the world. so glad obama won and america proving it still had some humanity and common sense left in them.
based on what exactly, you didnt like the big bad republican like everyone else? im not sure why people are celebrating so hard, nothing has changed and obama will continue to run up the debt to astronomical levels until investors are so shit scared of spending money in america that the market will recede harder than it did the first time. but gay marriage and free contraception are all that matters, right?
That, and avoiding a president from an anti science, anti intellectual, faith over reason base of evangelical lunatics. (You know, the ones that have taken over the republican party in the last decade+ and are now getting the tinfoil hats out, because President Satan Mc Blacky will not only ruin the economy but also come and take away their guns/bibles.)
Sorry, but the w/rest of the world is kinda big on basing decisions on Science and Reason and would like the "leader of the free world" to share those values. Thus the celebrating. No offense to people wearing magic underwear of course, to each his own.
You clearly know very little about Mitt Romney, conservatism, the United States, or the republican party. So, fuck you. All Germans are clearly asshats like you (I can generalize too!).
His assessment was not extremely off.
Science expenditures by the federal gov't have been higher under republican leadership in the past 20 years, with the exception of Obama's stimulus, which blew up spending everywhere. Fact. Mitt Romney's stance is that evolution, not ID or creationism should be taught in class rooms. Fact. I fail to see how this is anti-intellectual. Only about half of the Republican Party is evangelical and guess what? Religion is not an indicator of anti-intellectualism. There aren't a ton of tinfoil hats and nobody is calling Obama Satan McBlacky. His assessment was very far off.
Anti-intellectual does not directly entail that he believes ID should be taught in the classroom, you have to extrapolate his view that "federal government does not belong in education", so passing off the responsibility to the state and local level WOULD be anti-intellectual, it would mean that all the assholes who want to push for their version of history, their version of american politics, etc. would be free to do so as they please without oversight from the federal government, just like they've done with our textbooks in TX.
And actually, there are a lot of people calling Obama "Satan" and the anti-Christ and all sorts of other things, where have you been the past 4 years? And you're making a false correlation between evangelism and religion in this situation, evangelism and adhering to it undoubtedly gives you a more anti-intellectual stance on some issues because your rationale is not being informed by facts, only by your religious text and whatever interpretation you and whoever around you creates of it.
Also I'd like to know where you got these "science" numbers from, they must be drastically different from something like the NASA budget, which has fallen in every administration except the Clinton years since Kennedy
I said in the past 20 years, as that is the most accurate representation of recent policies.
There's the graph. The spike in spending is the stimulus, which blew up spending in every category. No mainstream republican has been calling obama satan in the past four years, you are looking at radicals with nothing to lose and assuming it's true of an entire party. They have said that he is ineffective and a bad leader, yes. Satan, no. Bush actually increased the NASA budget. And no, I will not equate evangelicalism with anti-intellectualism. Making decisions with morals based on religion is not stupid, it is what is seen by many as character. Obviously some might not agree, but the republican party is definitely not anti-intellectual.
There is a difference between making decisions with morals based on religion and believing something despite factual evidence based on religion. While I don't agree with their brand of morals, I can respect people who oppose gay marriage or abortion because of their religious values. It's not my place to question the basis for someone else's ethical beliefs.
The reason evangelicals are associated with anti-intellectualism is because they flat out refuse intellectualism. The theory of evolution can fit into religious teachings, but they flat out refuse factual evidence. Not to mention that you have prominent evangelical Republicans (Santorum) coming out and publicly saying they don't want to be associated with intellectuals. When a man almost nominated for the presidential ticket comes forward to say that ignorance is his preferred mode of operation, it's worrisome to the rest of us.
They shun education and intelligence like it's a disease America is currently suffering from. It's disturbing, quite frankly, and brings down the rest of the Republican base that is intellectual and is just looking for a more conservative political party than the Democrats without dealing with the crazy religious nuts.
Not sure which Santorum comment you are referring to, but I'll assume it's the "snob" comment directed towards Obama. That was just saying that a college education is not the right choice for everyone. Nowhere has Santorum straight- up said intellectualism is bad. Anyways, there's a reason that the man wasn't elected. Evangelicals are not a majority of the Republican party as the first poster (who was a douche) said they were. Crazy evangelicals who flat out refuse anything scientific are a VERY small minority within the party, while he was generalizing that the entire republican party was this way.
On November 08 2012 02:26 Probe1 wrote: I think the funniest thing on news networks last night (outside of Fox News obviously) were the people saying Republicans need to get more of the Latino vote. Here's a great way to start: Stop the official policy of trying to deport them.
Idiots.
Then they royally piss off their Bible belt base.
Quite a quandary for them, really.
I really think the healthiest thing would be for the Republicans to split.
If the Republicans got rid of their social wingnuts, I would've voted for Romney over Obama.
I'm fine with people having those kind of opinions and they should obviously be represented (or in any case, will be represented) but it's just frustrating to watch the Republicans sometimes because the party really is quite diverse. But this internal diversity get shit on all the time because if you want to want to become a figurehead in the party you have to appease factions that demand things that you might not have ever supported otherwise. The internal political gaming in the Republicans has gotten really bad since 2008. It isn't really surprising at all that some Republicans have publicly shown their frustration with the two-party system this year. Republicans have much more to be frustrated about due to their internal factions that are much more divisive than the Democrats. I would love to see the Republican factions to split because there are many Republican figures that I respect a lot, and would definitely consider voting for if the rest of the Republican baggage didn't have to come with them. One could even remember how McCain gradually showed more and more frustration with some of the voter base that he had to appease.
One can only hope.
Splitting is stupid, it'll become just like Canada, one party wins regardless of what the country thinks.
There's no reason to think that the Democrats will retain all their base because there are plenty of Republicans right now that appeal to various center and left voters for various reasons. Imagine if McCain was able to run his campaign without having to sacrifice the general integrity that he had for all the years prior to it. Before his presidential run he was a very well liked man outside the Republican voting base. If the Republicans split I would wager pretty heavily that the a good deal of the Democrat's base will go to the alternatives that they never really had before. The current situation in Canada and what happened the past election is very different.
On November 07 2012 21:36 konadora wrote: i have never been to america but i honestly wanted obama to win for the sake for america, its citizens and the world. so glad obama won and america proving it still had some humanity and common sense left in them.
based on what exactly, you didnt like the big bad republican like everyone else? im not sure why people are celebrating so hard, nothing has changed and obama will continue to run up the debt to astronomical levels until investors are so shit scared of spending money in america that the market will recede harder than it did the first time. but gay marriage and free contraception are all that matters, right?
That, and avoiding a president from an anti science, anti intellectual, faith over reason base of evangelical lunatics. (You know, the ones that have taken over the republican party in the last decade+ and are now getting the tinfoil hats out, because President Satan Mc Blacky will not only ruin the economy but also come and take away their guns/bibles.)
Sorry, but the w/rest of the world is kinda big on basing decisions on Science and Reason and would like the "leader of the free world" to share those values. Thus the celebrating. No offense to people wearing magic underwear of course, to each his own.
You clearly know very little about Mitt Romney, conservatism, the United States, or the republican party. So, fuck you. All Germans are clearly asshats like you (I can generalize too!).
Ironically, you, my friend, need to learn to read better. Just a few little pointers for you to start off: 1. I did comment on the republican base, not Mitt Romney. 2. My comment explained (or tried to) the overwhelming relief that the rest of the world expresses over Obamas reelection. It was a reply to someone wondering about the huuuuuge numbers Obama has over Romney all over the world (maybe you should too). So even IF my assessment was completely wrong factually (some seem to think it's not that far off), it's still what a lot of people overseas think and thus a valid explanation. Sorry u mad.
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