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well.
last night sucked.
the most infuriating part was hearing rush on the radio driving home this morning. That peice of shit motherf***er is the REASON we lost, and he's making EXCUSES. It's not hurricane Sandy that won it for Obama, Mr. Limbaugh, it's your dumb ass turning off moderates from ANY republican because YOU make an ass out of all of us. We should have won by double digits.
F*** that guy, and F*** all of talk radio. And F*** conservatives. This shit is on. The look on the NRSC guys' faces last night tells the whole story. The divide is coming much sooner than I originally thought.
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Don't worry. Chris christie will lead the GOP faithful to victory in 2016.
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On November 08 2012 04:01 BluePanther wrote:
well.
last night sucked.
the most infuriating part was hearing rush on the radio driving home this morning. That peice of shit motherf***er is the REASON we lost, and he's making EXCUSES. It's not hurricane Sandy that won it for Obama, Mr. Limbaugh, it's your dumb ass turning off moderates from ANY republican because YOU make an ass out of all of us. We should have won by double digits.
F*** that guy, and F*** all of talk radio. And F*** conservatives. This shit is on. The look on the NRSC guys' faces last night tells the whole story. The divide is coming much sooner than I originally thought.
Yep. Glad I left the Republican party while Bush was still in office. The only thing they are good for is reminding me why I don't like Obama, but they fail to produce a better alternative.
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On November 08 2012 04:01 BluePanther wrote:
well.
last night sucked.
the most infuriating part was hearing rush on the radio driving home this morning. That peice of shit motherf***er is the REASON we lost, and he's making EXCUSES. It's not hurricane Sandy that won it for Obama, Mr. Limbaugh, it's your dumb ass turning off moderates from ANY republican because YOU make an ass out of all of us. We should have won by double digits.
F*** that guy, and F*** all of talk radio. And F*** conservatives. This shit is on. The look on the NRSC guys' faces last night tells the whole story. The divide is coming much sooner than I originally thought.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. It is about time the Republican Party grew the balls needed to distance itself from perspectives within that do nothing but hurt the party's agenda and splinter effective consensus. Good luck.
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On November 08 2012 03:46 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 03:38 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On November 08 2012 03:30 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 02:25 ampson wrote:On November 08 2012 02:16 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 01:57 ampson wrote:On November 08 2012 01:48 Chargelot wrote:On November 08 2012 01:43 ampson wrote:On November 07 2012 22:09 Monsen wrote:On November 07 2012 21:42 Poorlilrich wrote:
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based on what exactly, you didnt like the big bad republican like everyone else? im not sure why people are celebrating so hard, nothing has changed and obama will continue to run up the debt to astronomical levels until investors are so shit scared of spending money in america that the market will recede harder than it did the first time. but gay marriage and free contraception are all that matters, right? That, and avoiding a president from an anti science, anti intellectual, faith over reason base of evangelical lunatics. (You know, the ones that have taken over the republican party in the last decade+ and are now getting the tinfoil hats out, because President Satan Mc Blacky will not only ruin the economy but also come and take away their guns/bibles.) Sorry, but the w/rest of the world is kinda big on basing decisions on Science and Reason and would like the "leader of the free world" to share those values. Thus the celebrating. No offense to people wearing magic underwear of course, to each his own. You clearly know very little about Mitt Romney, conservatism, the United States, or the republican party. So, fuck you. All Germans are clearly asshats like you (I can generalize too!). His assessment was not extremely off. Science expenditures by the federal gov't have been higher under republican leadership in the past 20 years, with the exception of Obama's stimulus, which blew up spending everywhere. Fact. Mitt Romney's stance is that evolution, not ID or creationism should be taught in class rooms. Fact. I fail to see how this is anti-intellectual. Only about half of the Republican Party is evangelical and guess what? Religion is not an indicator of anti-intellectualism. There aren't a ton of tinfoil hats and nobody is calling Obama Satan McBlacky. His assessment was very far off. Anti-intellectual does not directly entail that he believes ID should be taught in the classroom, you have to extrapolate his view that "federal government does not belong in education", so passing off the responsibility to the state and local level WOULD be anti-intellectual, it would mean that all the assholes who want to push for their version of history, their version of american politics, etc. would be free to do so as they please without oversight from the federal government, just like they've done with our textbooks in TX. And actually, there are a lot of people calling Obama "Satan" and the anti-Christ and all sorts of other things, where have you been the past 4 years? And you're making a false correlation between evangelism and religion in this situation, evangelism and adhering to it undoubtedly gives you a more anti-intellectual stance on some issues because your rationale is not being informed by facts, only by your religious text and whatever interpretation you and whoever around you creates of it. Also I'd like to know where you got these "science" numbers from, they must be drastically different from something like the NASA budget, which has fallen in every administration except the Clinton years since Kennedy I said in the past 20 years, as that is the most accurate representation of recent policies. ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/U.S._research_funding.png/800px-U.S._research_funding.png) There's the graph. The spike in spending is the stimulus, which blew up spending in every category. No mainstream republican has been calling obama satan in the past four years, you are looking at radicals with nothing to lose and assuming it's true of an entire party. They have said that he is ineffective and a bad leader, yes. Satan, no. Bush actually increased the NASA budget. And no, I will not equate evangelicalism with anti-intellectualism. Making decisions with morals based on religion is not stupid, it is what is seen by many as character. Obviously some might not agree, but the republican party is definitely not anti-intellectual. Actually there are plenty of cases where making decisions with morals based on religion is very stupid, foolhardy, and gets people killed out of ignorance. And yes, sorry to burst your bubble but the Republican party has moved steadily towards anti-intellectualism becoming accepted, you must not read into a lot of their policies on education/foreign affairs/defense spending. edit: Also the NASA budget as a percentage of national spending HAS gone down in just about every administration like I said, your graph does not address that fact because it's putting hard numbers on research, it's not a proportional figure. Making decisions on political ideology gets people killed out of ignorance as well. So let's not go too crazy on the generalizations. As for Republican's going 'anti-intellectualism' - if you have a problem with a particular policy then argue against it. Don't just demonize the other side. That just makes you look anti-intellectual. We'd be here all day if we were to make comments on all the ridiculous positions the Republican party has taken from Gay's to rape victims and women rights it's a pretty large shithole. And most of them are on anti-intellectual basis and just on the ignorance of religion. Supporting the idea that a person being raped becoming pregnant is somewhat gods plan is about as idiotic and "insert every definition of a moron" as you could possibly be. What blind ignorance to say "yeah god didn't mean the rape, he was just there to make sure you remember it forever and ever"
A few stupid Republicans does not equate to the Republican party as a whole...
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On November 08 2012 03:45 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 03:36 oneofthem wrote:
the republican target message for immigrants seem to be that they are for good family values and growing the economy.
kind of ignoring the fact that immigrants typically work low paying service jobs where labor rights is a real concern. it's democrats standing for that.
immigrant employing and owned local and small businesses suffer tax and regulatory burden while big guys have political influence to fight it off. to reduce this burden you have to balance the tax burden and actually collect the taxes long overdue. (the greece situation is a pretty nasty illustration of how chronic tax evasion can fuck your shit up) these trends have been going on for decades and won't reverse themselves without strong political action. this action certainly won't come from guys paid for by the same guys it is targeted against. There's always a political tradeoff though. Dems are better at protecting labor rights but Reps are better at making the playing field between small and big businesses level. Dems talk a good game on the second point, but their policies generally shift the advantage to the big players.
gonna need more on that. i admit to be not a close watcher of actual policies. i am sympathetic to a party that counterbalances unwarranted expansion of government because there is a genuine political base for it. but it has to be not so inane to the livelihood of the general populace
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On November 08 2012 04:01 BluePanther wrote:
well.
last night sucked.
the most infuriating part was hearing rush on the radio driving home this morning. That peice of shit motherf***er is the REASON we lost, and he's making EXCUSES. It's not hurricane Sandy that won it for Obama, Mr. Limbaugh, it's your dumb ass turning off moderates from ANY republican because YOU make an ass out of all of us. We should have won by double digits.
F*** that guy, and F*** all of talk radio. And F*** conservatives. This shit is on. The look on the NRSC guys' faces last night tells the whole story. The divide is coming much sooner than I originally thought.
the blame game is all over the place atm. he didn't lose because of rush. he lost because the far right is an abomination. from intolerance to openly admitting your goals are complete obstructionism no matter what the cost to the nation. the republicans got in bed with the crazies for their vote and now it has backfired. not to mention the ridiculous candidates. mccain is the only sensible candidate we've seen in awhile from republicans. he might have had a chance without crazy riding on his back. the republican party has literally exploded from the inside.
edit; with the demographics changing so fast things are going to be very interesting in the next decade.
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On November 08 2012 03:39 ampson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 03:30 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 02:25 ampson wrote:On November 08 2012 02:16 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 01:57 ampson wrote:On November 08 2012 01:48 Chargelot wrote:On November 08 2012 01:43 ampson wrote:On November 07 2012 22:09 Monsen wrote:On November 07 2012 21:42 Poorlilrich wrote:On November 07 2012 21:36 konadora wrote:
i have never been to america but i honestly wanted obama to win for the sake for america, its citizens and the world. so glad obama won and america proving it still had some humanity and common sense left in them. based on what exactly, you didnt like the big bad republican like everyone else? im not sure why people are celebrating so hard, nothing has changed and obama will continue to run up the debt to astronomical levels until investors are so shit scared of spending money in america that the market will recede harder than it did the first time. but gay marriage and free contraception are all that matters, right? That, and avoiding a president from an anti science, anti intellectual, faith over reason base of evangelical lunatics. (You know, the ones that have taken over the republican party in the last decade+ and are now getting the tinfoil hats out, because President Satan Mc Blacky will not only ruin the economy but also come and take away their guns/bibles.) Sorry, but the w/rest of the world is kinda big on basing decisions on Science and Reason and would like the "leader of the free world" to share those values. Thus the celebrating. No offense to people wearing magic underwear of course, to each his own. You clearly know very little about Mitt Romney, conservatism, the United States, or the republican party. So, fuck you. All Germans are clearly asshats like you (I can generalize too!). His assessment was not extremely off. Science expenditures by the federal gov't have been higher under republican leadership in the past 20 years, with the exception of Obama's stimulus, which blew up spending everywhere. Fact. Mitt Romney's stance is that evolution, not ID or creationism should be taught in class rooms. Fact. I fail to see how this is anti-intellectual. Only about half of the Republican Party is evangelical and guess what? Religion is not an indicator of anti-intellectualism. There aren't a ton of tinfoil hats and nobody is calling Obama Satan McBlacky. His assessment was very far off. Anti-intellectual does not directly entail that he believes ID should be taught in the classroom, you have to extrapolate his view that "federal government does not belong in education", so passing off the responsibility to the state and local level WOULD be anti-intellectual, it would mean that all the assholes who want to push for their version of history, their version of american politics, etc. would be free to do so as they please without oversight from the federal government, just like they've done with our textbooks in TX. And actually, there are a lot of people calling Obama "Satan" and the anti-Christ and all sorts of other things, where have you been the past 4 years? And you're making a false correlation between evangelism and religion in this situation, evangelism and adhering to it undoubtedly gives you a more anti-intellectual stance on some issues because your rationale is not being informed by facts, only by your religious text and whatever interpretation you and whoever around you creates of it. Also I'd like to know where you got these "science" numbers from, they must be drastically different from something like the NASA budget, which has fallen in every administration except the Clinton years since Kennedy I said in the past 20 years, as that is the most accurate representation of recent policies. There's the graph. The spike in spending is the stimulus, which blew up spending in every category. No mainstream republican has been calling obama satan in the past four years, you are looking at radicals with nothing to lose and assuming it's true of an entire party. They have said that he is ineffective and a bad leader, yes. Satan, no. Bush actually increased the NASA budget. And no, I will not equate evangelicalism with anti-intellectualism. Making decisions with morals based on religion is not stupid, it is what is seen by many as character. Obviously some might not agree, but the republican party is definitely not anti-intellectual. Actually there are plenty of cases where making decisions with morals based on religion is very stupid, foolhardy, and gets people killed out of ignorance. And yes, sorry to burst your bubble but the Republican party has moved steadily towards anti-intellectualism becoming accepted, you must not read into a lot of their policies on education/foreign affairs/defense spending. edit: Also the NASA budget as a percentage of national spending HAS gone down in just about every administration like I said, your graph does not address that fact because it's putting hard numbers on research, it's not a proportional figure. Check the video posted a few pages back, and Neil DeGrasse Tyson will TELL you that Bush helped out NASA. And arguing that religious morals are worse than any other morals (as you are doing) is useless. Morals are subjective. I can look at any set of morals and pull out dozens of terrible events that were caused by it. Thanks for all that evidence though.
I don't really need to post any "evidence", it's obvious that injecting religious morals into the classroom, or into our foreign affairs, or into why we need to spend as much on defense as we are, is exactly what we don't need. See: Dominionism, the argument for ID in the classroom, the argument for being pro-life, the religious fervor over defending Isreal regardless of what it does, etc.. All anti-intellectual. That's what we're talking about here, not religion informing your values on a personal level, but electing a party where extreme religious views thrive and could ultimately influence policy.
Also your argument for Republicans not being anti-intellectual shows a complete lack of understanding of their platform and messaging.
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On November 08 2012 04:14 BlueLanterna wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 03:39 ampson wrote:On November 08 2012 03:30 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 02:25 ampson wrote:On November 08 2012 02:16 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 01:57 ampson wrote:On November 08 2012 01:48 Chargelot wrote:On November 08 2012 01:43 ampson wrote:On November 07 2012 22:09 Monsen wrote:On November 07 2012 21:42 Poorlilrich wrote:
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based on what exactly, you didnt like the big bad republican like everyone else? im not sure why people are celebrating so hard, nothing has changed and obama will continue to run up the debt to astronomical levels until investors are so shit scared of spending money in america that the market will recede harder than it did the first time. but gay marriage and free contraception are all that matters, right? That, and avoiding a president from an anti science, anti intellectual, faith over reason base of evangelical lunatics. (You know, the ones that have taken over the republican party in the last decade+ and are now getting the tinfoil hats out, because President Satan Mc Blacky will not only ruin the economy but also come and take away their guns/bibles.) Sorry, but the w/rest of the world is kinda big on basing decisions on Science and Reason and would like the "leader of the free world" to share those values. Thus the celebrating. No offense to people wearing magic underwear of course, to each his own. You clearly know very little about Mitt Romney, conservatism, the United States, or the republican party. So, fuck you. All Germans are clearly asshats like you (I can generalize too!). His assessment was not extremely off. Science expenditures by the federal gov't have been higher under republican leadership in the past 20 years, with the exception of Obama's stimulus, which blew up spending everywhere. Fact. Mitt Romney's stance is that evolution, not ID or creationism should be taught in class rooms. Fact. I fail to see how this is anti-intellectual. Only about half of the Republican Party is evangelical and guess what? Religion is not an indicator of anti-intellectualism. There aren't a ton of tinfoil hats and nobody is calling Obama Satan McBlacky. His assessment was very far off. Anti-intellectual does not directly entail that he believes ID should be taught in the classroom, you have to extrapolate his view that "federal government does not belong in education", so passing off the responsibility to the state and local level WOULD be anti-intellectual, it would mean that all the assholes who want to push for their version of history, their version of american politics, etc. would be free to do so as they please without oversight from the federal government, just like they've done with our textbooks in TX. And actually, there are a lot of people calling Obama "Satan" and the anti-Christ and all sorts of other things, where have you been the past 4 years? And you're making a false correlation between evangelism and religion in this situation, evangelism and adhering to it undoubtedly gives you a more anti-intellectual stance on some issues because your rationale is not being informed by facts, only by your religious text and whatever interpretation you and whoever around you creates of it. Also I'd like to know where you got these "science" numbers from, they must be drastically different from something like the NASA budget, which has fallen in every administration except the Clinton years since Kennedy I said in the past 20 years, as that is the most accurate representation of recent policies. There's the graph. The spike in spending is the stimulus, which blew up spending in every category. No mainstream republican has been calling obama satan in the past four years, you are looking at radicals with nothing to lose and assuming it's true of an entire party. They have said that he is ineffective and a bad leader, yes. Satan, no. Bush actually increased the NASA budget. And no, I will not equate evangelicalism with anti-intellectualism. Making decisions with morals based on religion is not stupid, it is what is seen by many as character. Obviously some might not agree, but the republican party is definitely not anti-intellectual. Actually there are plenty of cases where making decisions with morals based on religion is very stupid, foolhardy, and gets people killed out of ignorance. And yes, sorry to burst your bubble but the Republican party has moved steadily towards anti-intellectualism becoming accepted, you must not read into a lot of their policies on education/foreign affairs/defense spending. edit: Also the NASA budget as a percentage of national spending HAS gone down in just about every administration like I said, your graph does not address that fact because it's putting hard numbers on research, it's not a proportional figure. Check the video posted a few pages back, and Neil DeGrasse Tyson will TELL you that Bush helped out NASA. And arguing that religious morals are worse than any other morals (as you are doing) is useless. Morals are subjective. I can look at any set of morals and pull out dozens of terrible events that were caused by it. Thanks for all that evidence though. I don't really need to post any "evidence", it's obvious that injecting religious morals into the classroom, or into our foreign affairs, or into why we need to spend as much on defense as we are, is exactly what we don't need. See: Dominionism, the argument for ID in the classroom, the argument for being pro-life, the religious fervor over defending Isreal regardless of what it does, etc.. All anti-intellectual. That's what we're talking about here, not religion informing your values on a personal level, but electing a party where extreme religious views thrive and could ultimately influence policy. Also your argument for Republicans not being anti-intellectual shows a complete lack of understanding of their platform and messaging.
Just because you may be right does not mean you shouldn't post sources or evidence. What a load of shit.
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On November 08 2012 04:01 BluePanther wrote:
well.
last night sucked.
the most infuriating part was hearing rush on the radio driving home this morning. That peice of shit motherf***er is the REASON we lost, and he's making EXCUSES. It's not hurricane Sandy that won it for Obama, Mr. Limbaugh, it's your dumb ass turning off moderates from ANY republican because YOU make an ass out of all of us. We should have won by double digits.
F*** that guy, and F*** all of talk radio. And F*** conservatives. This shit is on. The look on the NRSC guys' faces last night tells the whole story. The divide is coming much sooner than I originally thought.
What happened to your "Reliable insider sources" and their "much more accurate polling. GG No Re.
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On November 08 2012 04:15 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 04:14 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 03:39 ampson wrote:On November 08 2012 03:30 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 02:25 ampson wrote:On November 08 2012 02:16 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 01:57 ampson wrote:On November 08 2012 01:48 Chargelot wrote:On November 08 2012 01:43 ampson wrote:On November 07 2012 22:09 Monsen wrote:
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That, and avoiding a president from an anti science, anti intellectual, faith over reason base of evangelical lunatics.
(You know, the ones that have taken over the republican party in the last decade+ and are now getting the tinfoil hats out, because President Satan Mc Blacky will not only ruin the economy but also come and take away their guns/bibles.)
Sorry, but the w/rest of the world is kinda big on basing decisions on Science and Reason and would like the "leader of the free world" to share those values. Thus the celebrating.
No offense to people wearing magic underwear of course, to each his own.
You clearly know very little about Mitt Romney, conservatism, the United States, or the republican party. So, fuck you. All Germans are clearly asshats like you (I can generalize too!). His assessment was not extremely off. Science expenditures by the federal gov't have been higher under republican leadership in the past 20 years, with the exception of Obama's stimulus, which blew up spending everywhere. Fact. Mitt Romney's stance is that evolution, not ID or creationism should be taught in class rooms. Fact. I fail to see how this is anti-intellectual. Only about half of the Republican Party is evangelical and guess what? Religion is not an indicator of anti-intellectualism. There aren't a ton of tinfoil hats and nobody is calling Obama Satan McBlacky. His assessment was very far off. Anti-intellectual does not directly entail that he believes ID should be taught in the classroom, you have to extrapolate his view that "federal government does not belong in education", so passing off the responsibility to the state and local level WOULD be anti-intellectual, it would mean that all the assholes who want to push for their version of history, their version of american politics, etc. would be free to do so as they please without oversight from the federal government, just like they've done with our textbooks in TX. And actually, there are a lot of people calling Obama "Satan" and the anti-Christ and all sorts of other things, where have you been the past 4 years? And you're making a false correlation between evangelism and religion in this situation, evangelism and adhering to it undoubtedly gives you a more anti-intellectual stance on some issues because your rationale is not being informed by facts, only by your religious text and whatever interpretation you and whoever around you creates of it. Also I'd like to know where you got these "science" numbers from, they must be drastically different from something like the NASA budget, which has fallen in every administration except the Clinton years since Kennedy I said in the past 20 years, as that is the most accurate representation of recent policies. There's the graph. The spike in spending is the stimulus, which blew up spending in every category. No mainstream republican has been calling obama satan in the past four years, you are looking at radicals with nothing to lose and assuming it's true of an entire party. They have said that he is ineffective and a bad leader, yes. Satan, no. Bush actually increased the NASA budget. And no, I will not equate evangelicalism with anti-intellectualism. Making decisions with morals based on religion is not stupid, it is what is seen by many as character. Obviously some might not agree, but the republican party is definitely not anti-intellectual. Actually there are plenty of cases where making decisions with morals based on religion is very stupid, foolhardy, and gets people killed out of ignorance. And yes, sorry to burst your bubble but the Republican party has moved steadily towards anti-intellectualism becoming accepted, you must not read into a lot of their policies on education/foreign affairs/defense spending. edit: Also the NASA budget as a percentage of national spending HAS gone down in just about every administration like I said, your graph does not address that fact because it's putting hard numbers on research, it's not a proportional figure. Check the video posted a few pages back, and Neil DeGrasse Tyson will TELL you that Bush helped out NASA. And arguing that religious morals are worse than any other morals (as you are doing) is useless. Morals are subjective. I can look at any set of morals and pull out dozens of terrible events that were caused by it. Thanks for all that evidence though. I don't really need to post any "evidence", it's obvious that injecting religious morals into the classroom, or into our foreign affairs, or into why we need to spend as much on defense as we are, is exactly what we don't need. See: Dominionism, the argument for ID in the classroom, the argument for being pro-life, the religious fervor over defending Isreal regardless of what it does, etc.. All anti-intellectual. That's what we're talking about here, not religion informing your values on a personal level, but electing a party where extreme religious views thrive and could ultimately influence policy. Also your argument for Republicans not being anti-intellectual shows a complete lack of understanding of their platform and messaging. Just because you may be right does not mean you shouldn't post sources or evidence. What a load of shit.
The word "evidence" is being used in the sardonic sense, not the literal one you child.
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On November 08 2012 04:16 BlueLanterna wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 04:15 Risen wrote:On November 08 2012 04:14 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 03:39 ampson wrote:On November 08 2012 03:30 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 02:25 ampson wrote:On November 08 2012 02:16 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 01:57 ampson wrote:On November 08 2012 01:48 Chargelot wrote:On November 08 2012 01:43 ampson wrote:
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You clearly know very little about Mitt Romney, conservatism, the United States, or the republican party. So, fuck you. All Germans are clearly asshats like you (I can generalize too!). His assessment was not extremely off. Science expenditures by the federal gov't have been higher under republican leadership in the past 20 years, with the exception of Obama's stimulus, which blew up spending everywhere. Fact. Mitt Romney's stance is that evolution, not ID or creationism should be taught in class rooms. Fact. I fail to see how this is anti-intellectual. Only about half of the Republican Party is evangelical and guess what? Religion is not an indicator of anti-intellectualism. There aren't a ton of tinfoil hats and nobody is calling Obama Satan McBlacky. His assessment was very far off. Anti-intellectual does not directly entail that he believes ID should be taught in the classroom, you have to extrapolate his view that "federal government does not belong in education", so passing off the responsibility to the state and local level WOULD be anti-intellectual, it would mean that all the assholes who want to push for their version of history, their version of american politics, etc. would be free to do so as they please without oversight from the federal government, just like they've done with our textbooks in TX. And actually, there are a lot of people calling Obama "Satan" and the anti-Christ and all sorts of other things, where have you been the past 4 years? And you're making a false correlation between evangelism and religion in this situation, evangelism and adhering to it undoubtedly gives you a more anti-intellectual stance on some issues because your rationale is not being informed by facts, only by your religious text and whatever interpretation you and whoever around you creates of it. Also I'd like to know where you got these "science" numbers from, they must be drastically different from something like the NASA budget, which has fallen in every administration except the Clinton years since Kennedy I said in the past 20 years, as that is the most accurate representation of recent policies. There's the graph. The spike in spending is the stimulus, which blew up spending in every category. No mainstream republican has been calling obama satan in the past four years, you are looking at radicals with nothing to lose and assuming it's true of an entire party. They have said that he is ineffective and a bad leader, yes. Satan, no. Bush actually increased the NASA budget. And no, I will not equate evangelicalism with anti-intellectualism. Making decisions with morals based on religion is not stupid, it is what is seen by many as character. Obviously some might not agree, but the republican party is definitely not anti-intellectual. Actually there are plenty of cases where making decisions with morals based on religion is very stupid, foolhardy, and gets people killed out of ignorance. And yes, sorry to burst your bubble but the Republican party has moved steadily towards anti-intellectualism becoming accepted, you must not read into a lot of their policies on education/foreign affairs/defense spending. edit: Also the NASA budget as a percentage of national spending HAS gone down in just about every administration like I said, your graph does not address that fact because it's putting hard numbers on research, it's not a proportional figure. Check the video posted a few pages back, and Neil DeGrasse Tyson will TELL you that Bush helped out NASA. And arguing that religious morals are worse than any other morals (as you are doing) is useless. Morals are subjective. I can look at any set of morals and pull out dozens of terrible events that were caused by it. Thanks for all that evidence though. I don't really need to post any "evidence", it's obvious that injecting religious morals into the classroom, or into our foreign affairs, or into why we need to spend as much on defense as we are, is exactly what we don't need. See: Dominionism, the argument for ID in the classroom, the argument for being pro-life, the religious fervor over defending Isreal regardless of what it does, etc.. All anti-intellectual. That's what we're talking about here, not religion informing your values on a personal level, but electing a party where extreme religious views thrive and could ultimately influence policy. Also your argument for Republicans not being anti-intellectual shows a complete lack of understanding of their platform and messaging. Just because you may be right does not mean you shouldn't post sources or evidence. What a load of shit. The word "evidence" is being used in the sardonic sense, not the literal one you child.
"it's obvious that injecting religious morals into the classroom, or into our foreign affairs, or into why we need to spend as much on defense as we are, is exactly what we don't need."
You have anything that backs up that claim or are you still talking?
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I think that in the end the Ryan VP pick has backfired too. It (probably) cost Romney Florida, didn't do anything for him in Wisconsin and the last few weeks he was essentially told to shut up and pretend to be as moderate as Romney was pretending to be.
Ryan was a better pick than Palin for sure, but not by much.
On November 08 2012 04:19 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 04:16 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 04:15 Risen wrote:On November 08 2012 04:14 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 03:39 ampson wrote:On November 08 2012 03:30 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 02:25 ampson wrote:On November 08 2012 02:16 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 01:57 ampson wrote:On November 08 2012 01:48 Chargelot wrote:
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His assessment was not extremely off. Science expenditures by the federal gov't have been higher under republican leadership in the past 20 years, with the exception of Obama's stimulus, which blew up spending everywhere. Fact. Mitt Romney's stance is that evolution, not ID or creationism should be taught in class rooms. Fact. I fail to see how this is anti-intellectual. Only about half of the Republican Party is evangelical and guess what? Religion is not an indicator of anti-intellectualism. There aren't a ton of tinfoil hats and nobody is calling Obama Satan McBlacky. His assessment was very far off. Anti-intellectual does not directly entail that he believes ID should be taught in the classroom, you have to extrapolate his view that "federal government does not belong in education", so passing off the responsibility to the state and local level WOULD be anti-intellectual, it would mean that all the assholes who want to push for their version of history, their version of american politics, etc. would be free to do so as they please without oversight from the federal government, just like they've done with our textbooks in TX. And actually, there are a lot of people calling Obama "Satan" and the anti-Christ and all sorts of other things, where have you been the past 4 years? And you're making a false correlation between evangelism and religion in this situation, evangelism and adhering to it undoubtedly gives you a more anti-intellectual stance on some issues because your rationale is not being informed by facts, only by your religious text and whatever interpretation you and whoever around you creates of it. Also I'd like to know where you got these "science" numbers from, they must be drastically different from something like the NASA budget, which has fallen in every administration except the Clinton years since Kennedy I said in the past 20 years, as that is the most accurate representation of recent policies. There's the graph. The spike in spending is the stimulus, which blew up spending in every category. No mainstream republican has been calling obama satan in the past four years, you are looking at radicals with nothing to lose and assuming it's true of an entire party. They have said that he is ineffective and a bad leader, yes. Satan, no. Bush actually increased the NASA budget. And no, I will not equate evangelicalism with anti-intellectualism. Making decisions with morals based on religion is not stupid, it is what is seen by many as character. Obviously some might not agree, but the republican party is definitely not anti-intellectual. Actually there are plenty of cases where making decisions with morals based on religion is very stupid, foolhardy, and gets people killed out of ignorance. And yes, sorry to burst your bubble but the Republican party has moved steadily towards anti-intellectualism becoming accepted, you must not read into a lot of their policies on education/foreign affairs/defense spending. edit: Also the NASA budget as a percentage of national spending HAS gone down in just about every administration like I said, your graph does not address that fact because it's putting hard numbers on research, it's not a proportional figure. Check the video posted a few pages back, and Neil DeGrasse Tyson will TELL you that Bush helped out NASA. And arguing that religious morals are worse than any other morals (as you are doing) is useless. Morals are subjective. I can look at any set of morals and pull out dozens of terrible events that were caused by it. Thanks for all that evidence though. I don't really need to post any "evidence", it's obvious that injecting religious morals into the classroom, or into our foreign affairs, or into why we need to spend as much on defense as we are, is exactly what we don't need. See: Dominionism, the argument for ID in the classroom, the argument for being pro-life, the religious fervor over defending Isreal regardless of what it does, etc.. All anti-intellectual. That's what we're talking about here, not religion informing your values on a personal level, but electing a party where extreme religious views thrive and could ultimately influence policy. Also your argument for Republicans not being anti-intellectual shows a complete lack of understanding of their platform and messaging. Just because you may be right does not mean you shouldn't post sources or evidence. What a load of shit. The word "evidence" is being used in the sardonic sense, not the literal one you child. "it's obvious that injecting religious morals into the classroom, or into our foreign affairs, or into why we need to spend as much on defense as we are, is exactly what we don't need." You have anything that backs up that claim or are you still talking?
Just to respond on one of them:
Bush's daily, top-secret Iraq 'invasion' reports used to be accompanied by a 'just' and 'relevant' quote from the bible on the first page, together with a fitting picture. The march 31st update (as an example) showed a picture of a tank against a red sky with a quote from Ephesians. (Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand).
It was the entire premise behind the whole fight between 'good' and 'evil' and the justification of the war on (partially) theocratic grounds.
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On November 08 2012 04:19 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 04:16 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 04:15 Risen wrote:On November 08 2012 04:14 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 03:39 ampson wrote:On November 08 2012 03:30 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 02:25 ampson wrote:On November 08 2012 02:16 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 01:57 ampson wrote:On November 08 2012 01:48 Chargelot wrote:
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His assessment was not extremely off. Science expenditures by the federal gov't have been higher under republican leadership in the past 20 years, with the exception of Obama's stimulus, which blew up spending everywhere. Fact. Mitt Romney's stance is that evolution, not ID or creationism should be taught in class rooms. Fact. I fail to see how this is anti-intellectual. Only about half of the Republican Party is evangelical and guess what? Religion is not an indicator of anti-intellectualism. There aren't a ton of tinfoil hats and nobody is calling Obama Satan McBlacky. His assessment was very far off. Anti-intellectual does not directly entail that he believes ID should be taught in the classroom, you have to extrapolate his view that "federal government does not belong in education", so passing off the responsibility to the state and local level WOULD be anti-intellectual, it would mean that all the assholes who want to push for their version of history, their version of american politics, etc. would be free to do so as they please without oversight from the federal government, just like they've done with our textbooks in TX. And actually, there are a lot of people calling Obama "Satan" and the anti-Christ and all sorts of other things, where have you been the past 4 years? And you're making a false correlation between evangelism and religion in this situation, evangelism and adhering to it undoubtedly gives you a more anti-intellectual stance on some issues because your rationale is not being informed by facts, only by your religious text and whatever interpretation you and whoever around you creates of it. Also I'd like to know where you got these "science" numbers from, they must be drastically different from something like the NASA budget, which has fallen in every administration except the Clinton years since Kennedy I said in the past 20 years, as that is the most accurate representation of recent policies. There's the graph. The spike in spending is the stimulus, which blew up spending in every category. No mainstream republican has been calling obama satan in the past four years, you are looking at radicals with nothing to lose and assuming it's true of an entire party. They have said that he is ineffective and a bad leader, yes. Satan, no. Bush actually increased the NASA budget. And no, I will not equate evangelicalism with anti-intellectualism. Making decisions with morals based on religion is not stupid, it is what is seen by many as character. Obviously some might not agree, but the republican party is definitely not anti-intellectual. Actually there are plenty of cases where making decisions with morals based on religion is very stupid, foolhardy, and gets people killed out of ignorance. And yes, sorry to burst your bubble but the Republican party has moved steadily towards anti-intellectualism becoming accepted, you must not read into a lot of their policies on education/foreign affairs/defense spending. edit: Also the NASA budget as a percentage of national spending HAS gone down in just about every administration like I said, your graph does not address that fact because it's putting hard numbers on research, it's not a proportional figure. Check the video posted a few pages back, and Neil DeGrasse Tyson will TELL you that Bush helped out NASA. And arguing that religious morals are worse than any other morals (as you are doing) is useless. Morals are subjective. I can look at any set of morals and pull out dozens of terrible events that were caused by it. Thanks for all that evidence though. I don't really need to post any "evidence", it's obvious that injecting religious morals into the classroom, or into our foreign affairs, or into why we need to spend as much on defense as we are, is exactly what we don't need. See: Dominionism, the argument for ID in the classroom, the argument for being pro-life, the religious fervor over defending Isreal regardless of what it does, etc.. All anti-intellectual. That's what we're talking about here, not religion informing your values on a personal level, but electing a party where extreme religious views thrive and could ultimately influence policy. Also your argument for Republicans not being anti-intellectual shows a complete lack of understanding of their platform and messaging. Just because you may be right does not mean you shouldn't post sources or evidence. What a load of shit. The word "evidence" is being used in the sardonic sense, not the literal one you child. "it's obvious that injecting religious morals into the classroom, or into our foreign affairs, or into why we need to spend as much on defense as we are, is exactly what we don't need." You have anything that backs up that claim or are you still talking?
Because modern first-world countries don't make their decisions based on the writings of possibly non-existent figures from thousands of years ago and their followers' assuredly flawed interpretations of it? Do you really need this explained to you? America is not a theocracy.
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On November 08 2012 04:22 BlueLanterna wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 04:19 Risen wrote:On November 08 2012 04:16 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 04:15 Risen wrote:On November 08 2012 04:14 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 03:39 ampson wrote:On November 08 2012 03:30 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 02:25 ampson wrote:On November 08 2012 02:16 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 01:57 ampson wrote:
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Science expenditures by the federal gov't have been higher under republican leadership in the past 20 years, with the exception of Obama's stimulus, which blew up spending everywhere. Fact. Mitt Romney's stance is that evolution, not ID or creationism should be taught in class rooms. Fact. I fail to see how this is anti-intellectual. Only about half of the Republican Party is evangelical and guess what? Religion is not an indicator of anti-intellectualism. There aren't a ton of tinfoil hats and nobody is calling Obama Satan McBlacky. His assessment was very far off. Anti-intellectual does not directly entail that he believes ID should be taught in the classroom, you have to extrapolate his view that "federal government does not belong in education", so passing off the responsibility to the state and local level WOULD be anti-intellectual, it would mean that all the assholes who want to push for their version of history, their version of american politics, etc. would be free to do so as they please without oversight from the federal government, just like they've done with our textbooks in TX. And actually, there are a lot of people calling Obama "Satan" and the anti-Christ and all sorts of other things, where have you been the past 4 years? And you're making a false correlation between evangelism and religion in this situation, evangelism and adhering to it undoubtedly gives you a more anti-intellectual stance on some issues because your rationale is not being informed by facts, only by your religious text and whatever interpretation you and whoever around you creates of it. Also I'd like to know where you got these "science" numbers from, they must be drastically different from something like the NASA budget, which has fallen in every administration except the Clinton years since Kennedy I said in the past 20 years, as that is the most accurate representation of recent policies. There's the graph. The spike in spending is the stimulus, which blew up spending in every category. No mainstream republican has been calling obama satan in the past four years, you are looking at radicals with nothing to lose and assuming it's true of an entire party. They have said that he is ineffective and a bad leader, yes. Satan, no. Bush actually increased the NASA budget. And no, I will not equate evangelicalism with anti-intellectualism. Making decisions with morals based on religion is not stupid, it is what is seen by many as character. Obviously some might not agree, but the republican party is definitely not anti-intellectual. Actually there are plenty of cases where making decisions with morals based on religion is very stupid, foolhardy, and gets people killed out of ignorance. And yes, sorry to burst your bubble but the Republican party has moved steadily towards anti-intellectualism becoming accepted, you must not read into a lot of their policies on education/foreign affairs/defense spending. edit: Also the NASA budget as a percentage of national spending HAS gone down in just about every administration like I said, your graph does not address that fact because it's putting hard numbers on research, it's not a proportional figure. Check the video posted a few pages back, and Neil DeGrasse Tyson will TELL you that Bush helped out NASA. And arguing that religious morals are worse than any other morals (as you are doing) is useless. Morals are subjective. I can look at any set of morals and pull out dozens of terrible events that were caused by it. Thanks for all that evidence though. I don't really need to post any "evidence", it's obvious that injecting religious morals into the classroom, or into our foreign affairs, or into why we need to spend as much on defense as we are, is exactly what we don't need. See: Dominionism, the argument for ID in the classroom, the argument for being pro-life, the religious fervor over defending Isreal regardless of what it does, etc.. All anti-intellectual. That's what we're talking about here, not religion informing your values on a personal level, but electing a party where extreme religious views thrive and could ultimately influence policy. Also your argument for Republicans not being anti-intellectual shows a complete lack of understanding of their platform and messaging. Just because you may be right does not mean you shouldn't post sources or evidence. What a load of shit. The word "evidence" is being used in the sardonic sense, not the literal one you child. "it's obvious that injecting religious morals into the classroom, or into our foreign affairs, or into why we need to spend as much on defense as we are, is exactly what we don't need." You have anything that backs up that claim or are you still talking? Because modern first-world countries don't make their decisions based on the writings of possibly non-existent figures from thousands of years ago and their followers' assuredly flawed interpretations of it? Do you really need this explained to you? America is not a theocracy.
I don't need it explained to me. I'm tired of people on both sides in this thread running around not qualifying their opinions and simply saying it's so "obvious"
What's obvious about pro-life being anti-intellectual? What's obvious about supporting israel no matter what being anti-intellectual? Why shouldn't we spend as much as we do on defense?
Not everything is so "obvious" to the other side or there wouldn't BE another side, and not backing your shit up just leads to idiotic shit.
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On November 08 2012 04:14 BlueLanterna wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 03:39 ampson wrote:On November 08 2012 03:30 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 02:25 ampson wrote:On November 08 2012 02:16 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 01:57 ampson wrote:On November 08 2012 01:48 Chargelot wrote:On November 08 2012 01:43 ampson wrote:On November 07 2012 22:09 Monsen wrote:On November 07 2012 21:42 Poorlilrich wrote:
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based on what exactly, you didnt like the big bad republican like everyone else? im not sure why people are celebrating so hard, nothing has changed and obama will continue to run up the debt to astronomical levels until investors are so shit scared of spending money in america that the market will recede harder than it did the first time. but gay marriage and free contraception are all that matters, right? That, and avoiding a president from an anti science, anti intellectual, faith over reason base of evangelical lunatics. (You know, the ones that have taken over the republican party in the last decade+ and are now getting the tinfoil hats out, because President Satan Mc Blacky will not only ruin the economy but also come and take away their guns/bibles.) Sorry, but the w/rest of the world is kinda big on basing decisions on Science and Reason and would like the "leader of the free world" to share those values. Thus the celebrating. No offense to people wearing magic underwear of course, to each his own. You clearly know very little about Mitt Romney, conservatism, the United States, or the republican party. So, fuck you. All Germans are clearly asshats like you (I can generalize too!). His assessment was not extremely off. Science expenditures by the federal gov't have been higher under republican leadership in the past 20 years, with the exception of Obama's stimulus, which blew up spending everywhere. Fact. Mitt Romney's stance is that evolution, not ID or creationism should be taught in class rooms. Fact. I fail to see how this is anti-intellectual. Only about half of the Republican Party is evangelical and guess what? Religion is not an indicator of anti-intellectualism. There aren't a ton of tinfoil hats and nobody is calling Obama Satan McBlacky. His assessment was very far off. Anti-intellectual does not directly entail that he believes ID should be taught in the classroom, you have to extrapolate his view that "federal government does not belong in education", so passing off the responsibility to the state and local level WOULD be anti-intellectual, it would mean that all the assholes who want to push for their version of history, their version of american politics, etc. would be free to do so as they please without oversight from the federal government, just like they've done with our textbooks in TX. And actually, there are a lot of people calling Obama "Satan" and the anti-Christ and all sorts of other things, where have you been the past 4 years? And you're making a false correlation between evangelism and religion in this situation, evangelism and adhering to it undoubtedly gives you a more anti-intellectual stance on some issues because your rationale is not being informed by facts, only by your religious text and whatever interpretation you and whoever around you creates of it. Also I'd like to know where you got these "science" numbers from, they must be drastically different from something like the NASA budget, which has fallen in every administration except the Clinton years since Kennedy I said in the past 20 years, as that is the most accurate representation of recent policies. There's the graph. The spike in spending is the stimulus, which blew up spending in every category. No mainstream republican has been calling obama satan in the past four years, you are looking at radicals with nothing to lose and assuming it's true of an entire party. They have said that he is ineffective and a bad leader, yes. Satan, no. Bush actually increased the NASA budget. And no, I will not equate evangelicalism with anti-intellectualism. Making decisions with morals based on religion is not stupid, it is what is seen by many as character. Obviously some might not agree, but the republican party is definitely not anti-intellectual. Actually there are plenty of cases where making decisions with morals based on religion is very stupid, foolhardy, and gets people killed out of ignorance. And yes, sorry to burst your bubble but the Republican party has moved steadily towards anti-intellectualism becoming accepted, you must not read into a lot of their policies on education/foreign affairs/defense spending. edit: Also the NASA budget as a percentage of national spending HAS gone down in just about every administration like I said, your graph does not address that fact because it's putting hard numbers on research, it's not a proportional figure. Check the video posted a few pages back, and Neil DeGrasse Tyson will TELL you that Bush helped out NASA. And arguing that religious morals are worse than any other morals (as you are doing) is useless. Morals are subjective. I can look at any set of morals and pull out dozens of terrible events that were caused by it. Thanks for all that evidence though. I don't really need to post any "evidence", it's obvious that injecting religious morals into the classroom, or into our foreign affairs, or into why we need to spend as much on defense as we are, is exactly what we don't need. See: Dominionism, the argument for ID in the classroom, the argument for being pro-life, the religious fervor over defending Isreal regardless of what it does, etc.. All anti-intellectual. That's what we're talking about here, not religion informing your values on a personal level, but electing a party where extreme religious views thrive and could ultimately influence policy. Also your argument for Republicans not being anti-intellectual shows a complete lack of understanding of their platform and messaging.
The one who calls me a part of a party of anti-intellectuals calls evidence useless? Ok. FYI, ID in classrooms was not part of the republican platform, pro-life/choice is a completely subjective matter based on one's morals and is not in any way anti-intellectual, and the whole reason that BOTH parties defend Isreal is a combination of appeasing Jewish voters (who contribute ridiculous amounts of campaign funds) and keeping a secure military presence in the region, the merits of which can be argued to be imperialistic but certainly not anti-intellectual. I think I understand the republican platform better than you do.
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On November 08 2012 04:10 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 04:01 BluePanther wrote:
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last night sucked.
the most infuriating part was hearing rush on the radio driving home this morning. That peice of shit motherf***er is the REASON we lost, and he's making EXCUSES. It's not hurricane Sandy that won it for Obama, Mr. Limbaugh, it's your dumb ass turning off moderates from ANY republican because YOU make an ass out of all of us. We should have won by double digits.
F*** that guy, and F*** all of talk radio. And F*** conservatives. This shit is on. The look on the NRSC guys' faces last night tells the whole story. The divide is coming much sooner than I originally thought. the blame game is all over the place atm. he didn't lose because of rush. he lost because the far right is an abomination. from intolerance to openly admitting your goals are complete obstructionism no matter what the cost to the nation. the republicans got in bed with the crazies for their vote and now it has backfired. not to mention the ridiculous candidates. mccain is the only sensible candidate we've seen in awhile from republicans. he might have had a chance without crazy riding on his back. the republican party has literally exploded from the inside. edit; with the demographics changing so fast things are going to be very interesting in the next decade.
My point is that the crazy riding our backs with moderates and very smart and intelligent candidates is BECAUSE OF people like him.
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On November 08 2012 04:20 Derez wrote:I think that in the end the Ryan VP pick has backfired too. It (probably) cost Romney Florida, didn't do anything for him in Wisconsin and the last few weeks he was essentially told to shut up and pretend to be as moderate as Romney was pretending to be. Ryan was a better pick than Palin for sure, but not by much. Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 04:19 Risen wrote:On November 08 2012 04:16 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 04:15 Risen wrote:On November 08 2012 04:14 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 03:39 ampson wrote:On November 08 2012 03:30 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 02:25 ampson wrote:On November 08 2012 02:16 BlueLanterna wrote:On November 08 2012 01:57 ampson wrote:
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Science expenditures by the federal gov't have been higher under republican leadership in the past 20 years, with the exception of Obama's stimulus, which blew up spending everywhere. Fact. Mitt Romney's stance is that evolution, not ID or creationism should be taught in class rooms. Fact. I fail to see how this is anti-intellectual. Only about half of the Republican Party is evangelical and guess what? Religion is not an indicator of anti-intellectualism. There aren't a ton of tinfoil hats and nobody is calling Obama Satan McBlacky. His assessment was very far off. Anti-intellectual does not directly entail that he believes ID should be taught in the classroom, you have to extrapolate his view that "federal government does not belong in education", so passing off the responsibility to the state and local level WOULD be anti-intellectual, it would mean that all the assholes who want to push for their version of history, their version of american politics, etc. would be free to do so as they please without oversight from the federal government, just like they've done with our textbooks in TX. And actually, there are a lot of people calling Obama "Satan" and the anti-Christ and all sorts of other things, where have you been the past 4 years? And you're making a false correlation between evangelism and religion in this situation, evangelism and adhering to it undoubtedly gives you a more anti-intellectual stance on some issues because your rationale is not being informed by facts, only by your religious text and whatever interpretation you and whoever around you creates of it. Also I'd like to know where you got these "science" numbers from, they must be drastically different from something like the NASA budget, which has fallen in every administration except the Clinton years since Kennedy I said in the past 20 years, as that is the most accurate representation of recent policies. There's the graph. The spike in spending is the stimulus, which blew up spending in every category. No mainstream republican has been calling obama satan in the past four years, you are looking at radicals with nothing to lose and assuming it's true of an entire party. They have said that he is ineffective and a bad leader, yes. Satan, no. Bush actually increased the NASA budget. And no, I will not equate evangelicalism with anti-intellectualism. Making decisions with morals based on religion is not stupid, it is what is seen by many as character. Obviously some might not agree, but the republican party is definitely not anti-intellectual. Actually there are plenty of cases where making decisions with morals based on religion is very stupid, foolhardy, and gets people killed out of ignorance. And yes, sorry to burst your bubble but the Republican party has moved steadily towards anti-intellectualism becoming accepted, you must not read into a lot of their policies on education/foreign affairs/defense spending. edit: Also the NASA budget as a percentage of national spending HAS gone down in just about every administration like I said, your graph does not address that fact because it's putting hard numbers on research, it's not a proportional figure. Check the video posted a few pages back, and Neil DeGrasse Tyson will TELL you that Bush helped out NASA. And arguing that religious morals are worse than any other morals (as you are doing) is useless. Morals are subjective. I can look at any set of morals and pull out dozens of terrible events that were caused by it. Thanks for all that evidence though. I don't really need to post any "evidence", it's obvious that injecting religious morals into the classroom, or into our foreign affairs, or into why we need to spend as much on defense as we are, is exactly what we don't need. See: Dominionism, the argument for ID in the classroom, the argument for being pro-life, the religious fervor over defending Isreal regardless of what it does, etc.. All anti-intellectual. That's what we're talking about here, not religion informing your values on a personal level, but electing a party where extreme religious views thrive and could ultimately influence policy. Also your argument for Republicans not being anti-intellectual shows a complete lack of understanding of their platform and messaging. Just because you may be right does not mean you shouldn't post sources or evidence. What a load of shit. The word "evidence" is being used in the sardonic sense, not the literal one you child. "it's obvious that injecting religious morals into the classroom, or into our foreign affairs, or into why we need to spend as much on defense as we are, is exactly what we don't need." You have anything that backs up that claim or are you still talking? Just to respond on one of them: Bush's daily, top-secret Iraq 'invasion' reports used to be accompanied by a 'just' and 'relevant' quote from the bible on the first page, together with a fitting picture. The march 31st update (as an example) showed a picture of a tank against a red sky with a quote from Ephesians. (Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand). It was the entire premise behind the whole fight between 'good' and 'evil' and the justification of the war on (partially) theocratic grounds.
It's sad because this doesn't seem to have to crushed Ryan's future in the party despite his complete and utter failure. I can only pray that he doesn't go the way of Palin.
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On November 08 2012 04:01 BluePanther wrote:
well.
last night sucked.
the most infuriating part was hearing rush on the radio driving home this morning. That peice of shit motherf***er is the REASON we lost, and he's making EXCUSES. It's not hurricane Sandy that won it for Obama, Mr. Limbaugh, it's your dumb ass turning off moderates from ANY republican because YOU make an ass out of all of us. We should have won by double digits.
F*** that guy, and F*** all of talk radio. And F*** conservatives. This shit is on. The look on the NRSC guys' faces last night tells the whole story. The divide is coming much sooner than I originally thought.
Amen.
I am also glad that there was no positive trade off for Romney's flip-flop frenzy - I am aware that was unfortunately not the biggest reason he lost, but still it gave me confidence in the average US voter.
I also hope that the more constructive forces within the Republican party will work with Obama for the better of the country, and in the process( if such a thing can be achieved) present themselves as the party of sound economic ideas and LESS crazy, social policies.
But first some heads will roll, and I hope the right ones for the Republican's sake...
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On November 08 2012 04:15 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 04:01 BluePanther wrote:
well.
last night sucked.
the most infuriating part was hearing rush on the radio driving home this morning. That peice of shit motherf***er is the REASON we lost, and he's making EXCUSES. It's not hurricane Sandy that won it for Obama, Mr. Limbaugh, it's your dumb ass turning off moderates from ANY republican because YOU make an ass out of all of us. We should have won by double digits.
F*** that guy, and F*** all of talk radio. And F*** conservatives. This shit is on. The look on the NRSC guys' faces last night tells the whole story. The divide is coming much sooner than I originally thought. What happened to your "Reliable insider sources" and their "much more accurate polling. GG No Re.
They were pretty accurate. I got 47/50 correct, my wrongs being VA, FL, CO. And considering those were the last 3 states called, I consider that a pretty accurate guess. I think the Dem turnout in the cities surprised a lot of people.
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