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Elairec
United States410 Posts
On November 07 2012 21:52 DwD wrote: Great news to wake up too, and apparently he won quite convincing. Faith in america somewhat restored  3 million votes (so far) difference is a landslide to people now? | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On November 07 2012 22:09 Monsen wrote: That, and avoiding a president from an anti science, anti intellectual, faith over reason base of evangelical lunatics. (You know, the ones that have taken over the republican party in the last decade+ and are now getting the tinfoil hats out, because President Satan Mc Blacky will not only ruin the economy but also come and take away their guns/bibles.) Sorry, but the w/rest of the world is kinda big on basing decisions on Science and Reason and would like the "leader of the free world" to share those values. Thus the celebrating. No offense to people wearing magic underwear of course, to each his own. Don't appreciate "evangelical lunatics". We're not all crazy. And no, I didn't vote for Romney. | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
Virginia goes blue Warren wins Same-Sex Marriage passed in both Maine and Maryland Murdock, Akin, and Walsh are out I'll take it. gg wp no re | ||
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voltaic
1071 Posts
there's not really a place for smallminded racism in the world so y. | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On November 07 2012 21:53 Poorlilrich wrote: fair enough, i just dont understand the jubilation. obama defending re-election does not really equate to an economic turnaround, when so far he hasnt done much to dissuade the notion that the debt will continue to grow (i.e. top down government stimulus). No. From earlier posts: See Figure 1 and 2: https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/03-16-APB1.pdf Note that: CBO Baseline = Hit fiscal cliff. CBO Alternative = Avoid fiscal cliff As you can see, Obama's budget stabilizes debt to GDP at around 80%, which is about the halfway point between avoiding the fiscal cliff and hitting the fiscal cliff. People who accuse Obama of reckless spending need to answer questions of the following sort: Given that Obama inherited a $11.9 trillion debt in 2009, which is projected to be $16.4 trillion in 2012, what reckless spending did Obama embark on to increase the debt by $4.5 trillion over his term? The stimulus? That's only $0.8 trillion, which is only 18% of that increase. Where did the other 82% of the increase come from? Obamacare? The CBO says that will reduce, not increase the deficit, but even if you don't believe that, Obamacare doesn't come into effect until 2014, so it can't possibly be responsible for any of the increase. So where's the increase in the debt coming from? What's Obama recklessly spending all that money on? Maybe, just maybe, Obama didn't recklessly increase spending, and the increase in the debt mainly comes from the GFC and past policies such as the Bush tax cuts. | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On November 07 2012 22:20 Denda Reloaded wrote: i am not american but still i hoped obama to win. there's not really a place for smallminded racism in the world so y. Some people on my facebook were saying they're really stressed and really hope Obama wins. I'm thinking.. you're Canadian.. it's well within your right to be interested and want someone to win, but STRESSED? | ||
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
On November 07 2012 22:17 mordek wrote: Don't appreciate "evangelical lunatics". We're not all crazy. And no, I didn't vote for Romney. Being evangelical doesn't make you a lunatic and I didn't say that, did I? You're not all crazy. Hell, the lunatics are probably the minority. Unfortunately the crazies are yelling the loudest (by far) and seem to be heard the most. (see republican nominees 2012) I sincerely hope that the moderate republicans manage to take their party back one day, because while I mostly disagree with their views, I still think a democracy needs debates (as opposed to frothing at the mouth yelling) with differing points of view to work. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
Relevant to the dude who was preaching science last page | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
Definitely was a sigh of relief to wake up to this morning. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
Basicaly bush increased funding to sciences and clinton lowered funding to it. Bush had to play politics twords the issues that got him elected but he did end up supporting science more then the democrats. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On November 07 2012 22:28 Zenbrez wrote: Some people on my facebook were saying they're really stressed and really hope Obama wins. I'm thinking.. you're Canadian.. it's well within your right to be interested and want someone to win, but STRESSED? Yes it's not like the US economic, environmental and foreign politics have a huge impact on the rest of the world. Oh wait... If you want a concrete reason to be stressed, a Romney administration would for example be more likely to start an open war with Iran than an Obama administration. They would also support Israel no matter what in the Israeli-Palestianan conflict. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
jill stein. 45 minutes. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
1. The whole world sees her say uncomfortable shit like that. They don't see what Americans think. Just what the convoluted 24 hour news channel said that minute and will quickly forget about. 2. It makes some Americans believe that is true without considering if that is true. The pop news worries me. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On November 07 2012 22:48 Mementoss wrote: It makes me sad that most Canadians seem way more invested in this election than any of our own. Apparently like 75% of Canadians were down for a Obama re-election lol. Good on him, I hope he does the US proud. It think it's because when it comes to entertainment the American elections are hard to beat. The Swedish elections are a snoozefest in comparison. | ||
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TheFrankOne
United States667 Posts
On November 07 2012 22:37 Sermokala wrote: I havn't seen anything like that before. That guy does nova on tv right? Basicaly bush increased funding to sciences and clinton lowered funding to it. Bush had to play politics twords the issues that got him elected but he did end up supporting science more then the democrats. Neil Degrasse Tyson is awesome. In this case though, I would put those policies on Bush's out of control spending on everything from tax cuts to science to war. Edit: also out of control spending on medicare, the Republicans can't really be trusted with the budget. On November 07 2012 22:13 Elairec wrote: 3 million votes (so far) difference is a landslide to people now? Well, compared to winning the electoral college and losing the popular vote, which was considered somewhat likely, its pretty "convincing", he never said landslide. I thought the same thing, he won by more than expected. | ||
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Roachu
Sweden692 Posts
On November 07 2012 22:51 nihlon wrote: It think it's because when it comes to entertainment the American elections are hard to beat. The Swedish elections are a snoozefest in comparison. I'd rather call it a clusterfuck... | ||
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