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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here. The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301 | ||
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Alex1Sun
494 Posts
On October 30 2012 06:40 Risen wrote: Wrong link?.... and mobile at that lol. You under 18 and in need of a way to watch adult content vids? Corrected. Thanks. I'm 26 but still do stupid mistakes like wrong links  | ||
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
Star Wars. | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
Also, Souma... I've lost some respect for you man. If you haven't even watched Star Wars, there's no telling what else you've been deprived of which has stunted the growth of your world view... I shudder to think of it... | ||
Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On October 30 2012 06:45 jdseemoreglass wrote: Ummm... what the hell is that link? Also, Souma... I've lost some respect for you man. If you haven't even watched Star Wars, there's no telling what else you've been deprived of which has stunted the growth of your world view... I shudder to think of it... Happy birthday man. I haven't seen Star Trek either. To be honest I'm just not a big sci-fi guy. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
On October 30 2012 06:46 Souma wrote: Happy birthday man. I haven't seen Star Trek either. To be honest I'm just not a big sci-fi guy. "I've not seen Star Trek."- You might lose some nerd votes, but no big deal. "I've never seen Star Wars."- This would be political suicide; average citizens would truly question how "in touch" you are with US society I'm not even kidding. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On October 30 2012 06:35 Souma wrote: I will never watch Star Wars! Unless I marry someone that forces me to. Will you be that someone, kwizach? I have faith that the Supreme Court will rule in favor of gay marriage soon. Depends. Among those three, who would you vote for: Mitt Romney, Palpatine or Bail Organa? :p | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On October 30 2012 06:49 kwizach wrote: Depends. Among those three, who would you vote for: Mitt Romney, Palpatine or Bail Organa? :p I'd vote for Jimmy Smitts. On October 30 2012 06:49 farvacola wrote: "I've not seen Star Trek."- You might lose some nerd votes, but no big deal. "I've never seen Star Wars."- This would be political suicide; average citizens would truly question how "in touch" you are with US society I'm not even kidding. Now you're telling me I have to watch Star Wars to become President of the United States? Damn it... | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
We are the Sith: Part 1 Part 2 for those who don't want to read it (it's actually pretty funny), his argument is that George Lucas is an uptight, Berkley liberal who made comparisons between the Sith and Republicans. but we all know that. where this writer disagrees with common perception is that he doesn't see the comparison as unflattering. in fact, it's hard to read his arguments and not be a little disgusted at the idea of being compared to Jedi scum. it's a bit outdated (written during the Bush presidency), but not much has really changed, politically, since 2007. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
On October 30 2012 06:59 sam!zdat wrote: I stopped reading when that guy implied that US currency is not fiat currency in the first section. Oh, but it gets oh so much better..... | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On October 30 2012 06:59 sam!zdat wrote: I stopped reading when that guy implied that US currency is not fiat currency in the first section. "Hard currency (also known as a safe-haven currency or strong currency), in economics, refers to a globally traded currency that is expected to serve as a reliable and stable store of value. Factors contributing to a currency's hard status might include the long-term stability of its purchasing power, the associated country's political and fiscal condition and outlook, and the policy posture of the issuing central bank." I'm disappointed in you guys for a second time today. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
edit: he is at least presenting a false dichotomy between hard currency and fiat currency | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On October 30 2012 07:13 sam!zdat wrote: yes but: "where people are forced to take them and pretend they have value." edit: he is at least presenting a false dichotomy between hard currency and fiat currency Yes but, people outside the US accept US money because it has real value, while in the example it's without value and forced to be used. At least, that's how I read it. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On October 30 2012 06:45 Zooper31 wrote: What can bring hardcore republicans and democrats together? Star Wars. Just remember. The Republic is the good guys. | ||
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GrassEater
Sweden417 Posts
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On October 30 2012 07:20 jdseemoreglass wrote: That's an interesting take... But wrong. If someone believes something has value, then it has real value, at least for the moment. Unless you are using time as the determining factor for "real" value, which sounds complicated. Remember that I define "value" as socially necessary abstract labor time. Fiat currency does not have "real" value because it does not embody socially necessary abstract labor time (the government can make it for free). It has an exchange value (and therefore can be used to trade for value) but this exchange value is based on its status as "fictitious capital," that is, it represents future values which have not yet been realized (i.e. it represents a share of the future product of U.S. economy, which does not yet exist and is therefore fictitious capital). It kinda depends what you mean by "real," though. Saying "somebody believes something has value" is an equivocal statement. Do you mean value, use-value, or exchange-value? Value is a social relationship between objects, so nothing has value intrinsically anyway, but it's not enough for one person to believe it. If somebody believes that something has use-value for them, it will acquire exchange-values to others. And under equilibrium of supply and demand, exchange-values are proportionate to values, so in a rational market this exchange-value will equilibrate to value. ("The value of commodities is the very opposite of the coarse materiality of their substance, not an atom of matter enters into its composition. Turn and examine a single commodity, by itself, as we will, yet in so far as it remains an object of value, it seems impossible to grasp it. If, however, we bear in mind that the value of commodities has a purely social reality, and that they acquire this reality only in so far as they are expressions or embodiments of one identical social substance, viz., human labour, it follows as a matter of course, that value can only manifest itself in the social relation of commodity to commodity.") | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
Value is always necessarily subjective. Value is never something that can be determined intrinsically, empirically, etc. And it IS enough for one person to believe it. When people get rich selling snake oil, they are rich with REAL dollars, even if I assess the snake oil as worthless personally. You can talk about trade value, which is of course just an extension of subjective value, and even then it's not truly fixed or reaches an equilibrium except in an averaged way which cannot be equated with any kind of real (objective) value. Value can only exist in the mind of an individual. So talking about value in terms of human labor, social relations of commodities, etc., or any other attempt at an objective, or "collective" value, if you will, comes across as meaningless to me. Now prices, that's a different matter entirely. But I do not conflate prices with value. | ||
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