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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
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OverTheUnder
United States2929 Posts
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Illuvatar
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On October 28 2005 23:04 exalted wrote: Listen - if you want to do the piano do the following: Don't do that Scherzo, please, it's cliched as FUCK. If you have to do a Scherzo, try No. 4, it's a much higher quality piece and if you have to do it for a piano competition it will resonate much more strongly with the judge. Start learning Winterwind - Opus 25 No. 11, and play ALL of the Bach prelude and fugues (if those are too hard for you do all of the Three part Inventions Sinfonia) If you need relaxation from this ultimate goal, just do some Mozart/Haydn sonatas - those are a big hit if you have to play for a family friend or on a piano that is shitty. Well I have to agree with you about the 2nd scherzo but it's totally wrong what you said about the 4th scherzo, Chopin himself said it was one of his weaker pieces. And if you'd read his post more precisely you would have known, that he just listens to it. And in addition it's quite funny that you say he should learn all preludes and fugues of Bach. In fact I don't know any student of my music university who has learned all of them, usually you just learn about 4 or 5, not 48. And well winterwind is a good choice but if you start learning chopin etudes you don't start with one of the hardest(winterwind). And you really think that Mozart and Haydn are worth to be played on a shitty piano, and then even will be a big hit?? | ||
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chicken`
Germany3478 Posts
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Chris307
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My favorite piece right now is probably Mozart's Overture from the Abduction from the Seraglio.  And of course Pa-Pa-Pa-Pa-Pa-Papagena. | ||
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Chibi[OWNS]
United Kingdom10597 Posts
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Empyrean
17070 Posts
On October 28 2005 23:04 exalted wrote: Listen - if you want to do the piano do the following: Don't do that Scherzo, please, it's cliched as FUCK. If you have to do a Scherzo, try No. 4, it's a much higher quality piece and if you have to do it for a piano competition it will resonate much more strongly with the judge. Start learning Winterwind - Opus 25 No. 11, and play ALL of the Bach prelude and fugues (if those are too hard for you do all of the Three part Inventions Sinfonia) If you need relaxation from this ultimate goal, just do some Mozart/Haydn sonatas - those are a big hit if you have to play for a family friend or on a piano that is shitty. I'd actually play a Ballade instead. Not some shitty overplayed one like the second or the first, but one like the third. I love Chopin's third Ballade. It's so fun to play, especially when you get to the climax  EDIT: Not saying those pieces are shitty, I'm saying it's shitty how they're overplayed. | ||
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Empyrean
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I wouldn't start with something like the Thirds etude or the Winterwind. Also, some of the fugues are very challenging to play correctly, i.e., playing all of the voices balanced. Hell, in the five voice one (forgot which  ), it takes a while just to identify all of the subjects, countersubjects, etc. Again, I'd start with something easy like the WTC I c minor prelude and fugue.That may be too easy for someone playing a Chopin Scherzo, though. But please try his third Ballade. You'll love it; I promise | ||
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0x64
Finland4630 Posts
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Black_waltz
United States13 Posts
Also listening to: Arabesque no.2 by Debussy | ||
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exalted
United States3612 Posts
On October 29 2005 04:06 Illuvatar wrote: Well I have to agree with you about the 2nd scherzo but it's totally wrong what you said about the 4th scherzo, Chopin himself said it was one of his weaker pieces. And if you'd read his post more precisely you would have known, that he just listens to it. And in addition it's quite funny that you say he should learn all preludes and fugues of Bach. In fact I don't know any student of my music university who has learned all of them, usually you just learn about 4 or 5, not 48. And well winterwind is a good choice but if you start learning chopin etudes you don't start with one of the hardest(winterwind). And you really think that Mozart and Haydn are worth to be played on a shitty piano, and then even will be a big hit?? The 4th Scherzo is amazing, its a little dreary in that it repeats so many times and the middle section sounds out of place, but it's a unique piece in itself. Learning the preludes and fugues of Bach is essential to good piano playing, but I may be biased in my appreciation of Glenn Gould. Nevertheless, it is crucial to learn at least 4-5. Winterwind is definitely a good choice but I only said it becuase it is an amazing piece - obviously I would not recommend that or the Revolutionary Etude (too many teachers give the mistake of assigning this etude to an enthuiastic student who wishes to learn it) to someone with weak technique. If you had to pick an etude to do for a student with less experience, I would recommend Opus 25 No. 12 then. Yes, I would rather play a Mozart sonata on a crappy piano than a Chopin etude, that's for sure. I'm not saying that they only "deserve" lesser pianos, don't take the wrong meaning. I'm just saying that it's good to have a mixed repitore and Mozart/Haydn is appreciated by most audiences and a good rendition can still be performed from a lesser quality piano (cough upright). My goal in life (my Dad's) was originally to enter the Curtis Institute of Music after I graduated highschool at 15, but I have since then pretty much stopped piano. My piano teacher was one that really drilled me on technique - I started learning the thirds Opus 25 No 6 when I was around 9. | ||
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exalted
United States3612 Posts
On October 29 2005 06:52 Empyrean wrote: Oh yes, and if you want to start a Chopin Etude, I'd choose an easier one like op 10 #12, op.25 #2 or op.10 #3. Also in the "Trois Nouvelles Etudes" the umm...I forgot which, but it's the one with the three on four. That's relatively easy as well. I wouldn't start with something like the Thirds etude or the Winterwind. Also, some of the fugues are very challenging to play correctly, i.e., playing all of the voices balanced. Hell, in the five voice one (forgot which ), it takes a while just to identify all of the subjects, countersubjects, etc. Again, I'd start with something easy like the WTC I c minor prelude and fugue.That may be too easy for someone playing a Chopin Scherzo, though. But please try his third Ballade. You'll love it; I promise I've played that Ballade (eb major?) and didn't enjoy it very much. Prelude and fugues are incredibly difficult, definitely - but Bach is too elite to ignore. The 3 on 4 posthomous etude fucking sucks, its SO bad, (I hear people found those works in his mattress or something? I'm sure that he's rolling in his grave about the fact that they found those pieces of @(#$*  ). Thirds etude is not that hard, but you will have to devote probably around 2 years to get it to performing shape. The fact that it already has so many sharps makes it daunting to even approach though.Do not get into the habit of trying to play pieces past your experience level, when I was young that was what I did and it ultimately weakened my foundations (of musicality, my technique was  ) Even playing "simpler" music like Mozart is enjoyable and is very nice. If you are serious about pursuing piano as a career, then I assume you already have a private teacher and that man (women can't play piano lols) can offer much more precise advise than any on teamliquid becuase he will know your exact ability. | ||
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Chibi[OWNS]
United Kingdom10597 Posts
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Empyrean
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MoltkeWarding
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On October 29 2005 06:32 Chris307 wrote: I don't know much about Classical music, just the basics that I've been taught by movies like Amadeus in highschool World Cultures classes. But I do have a few CDs... My favorite piece right now is probably Mozart's Overture from the Abduction from the Seraglio. And of course Pa-Pa-Pa-Pa-Pa-Papagena. Ya. Do you have the magic flute CD with Ziesak, Moll and Jo Sumi? My favourite piece of opera however is in act 2 of Tristan und Isolde; "So starben wir..." | ||
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DarkGhost]Coon[
United States1471 Posts
On October 28 2005 21:48 (AnGeLs) wrote: Apocalyptica - Zelda Main Theme That is not by Apocalyptica. | ||
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Raging.BuLL
Brazil101 Posts
this is quite nice i think that if anyone gives classical music a good chance, they will realize that it is the highest form of musical art there is to be offered. its simply amazing for those of you who are just starting out to listen to classical.. i would suggest real easy pieces that are easy to start liking.. problem with classical is that the most beautiful music are very complex and hard to understand.. so listening to it once will not give you that satisfaction as like listening to a simple rap song or something of that sort.. it will take many times of listening until your mind can start unwrapping the pieces and appreciating everything.. and once you actually do appreciate man.. oh man.. its amazing my personal favorites that i truly recommend to all is on orchestra pieces with violin solo sibelius violin concerto.. man this piece is friggin AMAZING.. it is truly remarkable.. the second movement does wonders.. the best recording I have ever heard is with Christian Ferras with the berlin philarmonique.. this Ferras guy , french dude.. ended up killing himself and you will find that a lot of these amazing players who spilled their hearts out while playing music ended up suiciding at some point.. thats a bonus on quality there hehe brahms violin concerto is really nice also.. tchaikovsky violin too.. David Oistrach has a cd with these both on it... definitely worth buying now these 3 pieces are a little bit advanced.. so you have to really listen to them a couple times before appreciating them to the max.. recommendation is to do something while listening! give time for your brain to grasp some nice cello pieces with orchestra is the dvorak cello concerto.. hmm oh brahms double concerto (amazing violin and cello).. and shostakovich cello concerto with the amazing Rostrapovich! for solo pieces.. nice and easy ones are bach ciaccone (violin), this piece is one of those that everyone loves on the first listen.. its awesome.. these bach solo pieces for cello and violin are pretty nice and easy to learn but really hard to understand to its fullness argh list goes on and on! just a curious note, my family are all pretty much classical musicians and i am one of the black sheep.. but i feel uber fortunate to be able to have spent so much time with them because it took me forever to appreciate the music and i dont think i ever would without them for those really interested keep trying to like it because once you do it is friggin amazing! if anyone wants more recommendations feel free to pm | ||
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ubergamer15
United States645 Posts
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Codditer
United States70 Posts
also On October 29 2005 17:39 Raging.BuLL wrote: sibelius violin concerto.. man this piece is friggin AMAZING.. | ||
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Dave[9]
United States2365 Posts
"She’s been called the “Queen of the Concert Grand,” and “The Longest Fingers in the West.” Pianist Theresa Keene, Principal Keyboardist of the Sacramento Philharmonic, debuted as a soloist at the age of twelve. In the ensuing years, she has continued to add to her distinguished career. She has been a soloist, chamber musician and teacher of award-winning students. Among her many performances are those with symphony orchestras in Switzerland, New York and San Francisco. She holds a bachelor’s and master’s degree from the San Francisco Conservatory of Music. For 16 years she has been a professor at American River College, in addition to her busy performing schedule. In October, 2003 Keene released her first CD, an appealing tribute to the many styles of music she loves. She mingles flawless renditions of Beethoven, Chopin and Prokofiev with two heartfelt spirituals. The CD is available locally at Kline Music and at Barnes & Noble. Keene looks forward to being one-third of Mozart’s Concerto for Three Pianos, adding her passion and elegance to the work, and sharing the stage with Music Director Michael Morgan and Assistant Conductor Ming Luke." I have been studying with her for approxamatly 6 months, adding to my 1 hear of study. At the moment i am learning Rachmaninoff, Beethoveen, Schuman, Debussy, and Chopin ;O i won't name the songs as i fear she is one of those teachers who has heard everything, and teaches me songs no one had heard =[ | ||
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