EPTOn July 14 2013 22:52 asdfou420 wrote:
Trayvon Martin, the movie. http://vocaroo.com/i/s1khJlTiBwn5
Trayvon Martin, the movie. http://vocaroo.com/i/s1khJlTiBwn5
LMFAO
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plgElwood
Germany518 Posts
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On July 14 2013 22:52 asdfou420 wrote: Trayvon Martin, the movie. http://vocaroo.com/i/s1khJlTiBwn5 Should be banned for posing an absolute crap. | ||
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Robotix
United States51 Posts
On July 14 2013 22:52 asdfou420 wrote: Trayvon Martin, the movie. http://vocaroo.com/i/s1khJlTiBwn5 ROFL. Someone will probably take this as legit. | ||
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NuKE[vZ]
United States249 Posts
On July 14 2013 22:17 opisska wrote: I would probably never learnt much about this case if it weren't for TL and that would be a pitty, because I find it extremely interesting in how difficult to grasp it is for me. I did not watch the trial, but I tried to read what I could from the sources given here - still there are things that are confusing and to which it is difficult to find a clear answer and without them, the whole picture is incomplete. Would there be some people willing to illustrate a few things for a European? What I would realy like to understand is, how common is the "neighbourhood watch" phenomenon in the US? How is it viewed by the rest of the society? Are the "watchers" being greeted with thanks and respect by their peers, or considered freaks? I mean, if someone started to "play police" like this in my country, they would certainly be subject to curiosity, probably media atention and also a great deal of either distrust or outright negativity from the rest of the society, which would consider it either funny, stupid or despicable (as snitching), likely depending on the level and way of media coverage. This is not me attempting to loathe the activities of neighbourhood watchers, I just state what the atmosphere here is to illustrate my difficulties in imagining the perceprtion of this phenomenon in the US. The other question is less tangible: it seems to me that there is a certain tension in the US when it comes to security. The sole fact that somebody who is just walking around seems suspicious to at least one person is very discomforting. Is this a local thing, a thing particular to a group of people (who then have a tendency to become neighbourghood watchers) or is this widespread? Yes, I can pull up crime rates and such, but they don't really tell much - honestly, most of the US seems pretty safe when it comes to numerical statistics. What I would really like to know is, what is the feeling of ordinary people? Do Americans (or at least those living in certain parts) feel generally unsafe? Do they think about security regularly? I aplogize if this could be considered OT, but I think that the unclarity of these points can significantly distort the perception of the situation to non-americans and I just haven't find a better way to look for the answers than to just ask in a place where there are a lot of Americans ... As far as the neighborhood watch stuff within the US, from my view(anecdotal of course) people that participate in voluntary 'watching' of their neighborhood are generally losers who have nothing better to do with their time and want to play the police. I feel like there are enough police in most cities within the US now to be able to handle problems... it's one thing keeping a watchful eye from your window and noting something suspicious than actually following someone with a gun and trying to be a police oficer. As for your other question... regarding the safety issue. I don't think it's just an American thing, my family comes from Poland and I have lived in a few European countries(Poland, Czech Republic and France, specifically) for a certain amount of time. I think people all over the world recognize outsiders in their towns, and I think they are always suspicious of an unknown face within their neighborhood. I currently live in NY, obviously in the heart of the city you'll always see strangers, people who are outsiders, some who you might think is an outsider but isn't really... but I live in the outskirts of the city, in a small town and I know many of the people that live there. I see people I don't recognize and sometimes myself feel like this person isn't in the right area, what is the reason for this? As far as general safety, I think after the 9/11 attacks, everyone feels even more unsafe, so I would agree with your sentiment. | ||
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Krohm
Canada1857 Posts
"fucker got away with rape too so done with the judicial system~~~" I am unable to find any source that indicates he got away with "rape". | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 14 2013 23:00 dirtydurb82 wrote: A lot of he said she said. The bottom line is the defense did an outstanding job proving there was reasonable doubt as to what happened. Good job by them. Still a complex case. Yes, the defense did a good job. However, given the evidence available, this was an easy case for the defense in the big scheme of things. That's why it is so silly for all of these people to be shocked and outraged that Zimmerman was acquitted. They clearly have no idea what the evidence actually is. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On July 14 2013 11:28 Infernal_dream wrote: "The scream stops the moment the gun is fired, that's the kind of common sense evidence that prosecution uses." Except you can't use common sense, you have to use facts. There's two reasons the scream can stop 1) It's TM 2) TM died and has stopped hitting GZ so he stopped yelling. Sure is common sense to have two options instead of just ASSUMING what happened. This shit is sickening. lol what? Did the prosecution really try to make the absense of sreaming after the shot as a proof that it was TM screaming? My head starts to hurt when I try to imagine GZ crying for help while being beaten up then shooting TM while STILL crying for help. You've just shot somebody, just shut up already. Isn't that obvious? | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On July 14 2013 23:29 Krohm wrote: One of my very liberal (and stupid) friends said this this morning. "fucker got away with rape too so done with the judicial system~~~" I am unable to find any source that indicates he got away with "rape". why do you think he is liberal? Looks like the opposite to me. | ||
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
On July 14 2013 22:17 opisska wrote: What I would realy like to understand is, how common is the "neighbourhood watch" phenomenon in the US? How is it viewed by the rest of the society? Are the "watchers" being greeted with thanks and respect by their peers, or considered freaks? I mean, if someone started to "play police" like this in my country, they would certainly be subject to curiosity, probably media atention and also a great deal of either distrust or outright negativity from the rest of the society, which would consider it either funny, stupid or despicable (as snitching), likely depending on the level and way of media coverage. This is not me attempting to loathe the activities of neighbourhood watchers, I just state what the atmosphere here is to illustrate my difficulties in imagining the perceprtion of this phenomenon in the US. It's very split, but I would be very disturbed if someone like Zimmerman were in my neighborhood because I believe the sort of thing makes the neighborhood less safe, with the prevalence of accidental shootings and such. He's not really doing the normal neighborhood watch stuff, usually it's just unarmed people looking out for people causing trouble and then reporting it if they do see it to the police--it's supposed to counter the culture of "no snitching" and turning the other way from crime by grouping together. Gated communities are bastions of paranoia though in my and many other people's eyes; to get to your house you have to go past a guard-box on the road that checks out that you have a legit reason to be in the neighborhood or that you live there. I don't know if they have many of those in Europe. | ||
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n0ise
3452 Posts
On July 14 2013 22:52 asdfou420 wrote: Trayvon Martin, the movie. http://vocaroo.com/i/s1khJlTiBwn5 feels extremely disrespectful towards the family of the deceased | ||
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Hertzy
Finland355 Posts
On July 14 2013 23:00 dirtydurb82 wrote: A lot of he said she said. The bottom line is the defense did an outstanding job proving there was reasonable doubt as to what happened. Good job by them. Still a complex case. Actually, judging from all the conflicting evidence coming to light, its no wonder a reasonable doubt was established. | ||
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zeru
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On July 14 2013 22:51 rasnj wrote: This is certainly not exclusive to the US. I live in Denmark and I have reported such a case once to the police non-emergency line because someone was walking around outside our house and I didn't recognize him (I know everyone who lives close by, and you only enter the area in front of the houses to leave or enter a house, and he was just going back and forth seemingly glancing at windows for like 15min at 11PM). I never confronted the person and let the police deal with it, but I wouldn't consider it crazy to go ask the person what he was doing. He may just have been waiting for his girlfriend to sneak out the back of her parents house, or maybe he was invited to someone's house and couldn't find it, but the behavior was highly unusual and could very well be a guy about to break into a house. One of my neighbors did go confront a person like that once and it turned out he was selling some kind of drugs and quickly left without a confrontation after being told he wasn't welcome and the police would be called if he stayed. This is an interesting observation. Maybe I am more ignorant about my own continent that I am willing to admit! I just can't imagine that anyone I know what call the police on the basis that someone is just walking around outside. But thinking about it, it may be a very cultural thing, as the affinity to police is very low in Czech Republic, thanks to the 40 years when the police (by extension of the state) was everyone's enemy. I have also never came into contact with anyone remotely connected to drug selling (and I live in a milion-people metropolis, where this should be the biggest problem). On July 14 2013 23:35 ZapRoffo wrote: Gated communities are bastions of paranoia though in my and many other people's eyes; to get to your house you have to go past a guard-box on the road that checks out that you have a legit reason to be in the neighborhood or that you live there. I don't know if they have many of those in Europe. There actually may be some appearing, but they are mostly new developer projects to attract certain class of pepole that I don't really understand. Other than that, at least in central Europe, the concept of a gated community is really allien. That is probably another piece of puzzle that one has to put in. | ||
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Microchaton
France342 Posts
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43764 Posts
On July 14 2013 22:52 asdfou420 wrote: Trayvon Martin, the movie. http://vocaroo.com/i/s1khJlTiBwn5 This is actually hilarious satire. Especially with all the strawmen and whining we've been seeing by some of the people upset with the verdict. | ||
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Darksamus6
United States79 Posts
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On July 15 2013 00:39 tomatriedes wrote: The ridiculous thing is if the races were reversed all the people outraged at the verdict would not care at all and the case would not even have got national attention. All of this outrage has been created solely by the media's race-baiting and successful stereotyping of Zimmerman as a card-carrying KKK psychopath. What a disgusting double-standard. I think the point is people feel (although it's obviously speculative) that if the roles were reversed, the verdict and the police response would have been different. And in that case, yeah, it wouldn't get much media attention, it'd be another black kid in prison. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
Disappointing verdict, but not unexpected. | ||
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