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This is a sensitive and complex issue, please do not make comments without first reading the facts, which are cataloged in the OP.

If you make an uninformed post, or one that isn't relevant to the discussion, you will be moderated. If in doubt, don't post.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 11 2013 18:39 GMT
#7121
I want BDLR to argue how 205 lb fatass Zimmerman was able to chase down an already running football player Trayvon to initiate the confrontation. Trayvon had started running away before Zimmerman's fat ass even got out of his truck. Yet he somehow caught up to him ? Come on. Argue that, BDLR.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 11 2013 18:40 GMT
#7122
On July 12 2013 03:38 Blacktion wrote:
Shouldnt the prosecutors closing arguement be like "He is guilty because of X,Y,Z facts, shown by A,B,C evidence/testimonies"?

Should be, yes.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
July 11 2013 18:40 GMT
#7123
On July 12 2013 03:38 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 03:37 BigFan wrote:
wait, he never said that. I thought he said that he tried to go for the gun but never said he got it?

I believe so. But fact aren't really important.

guess not lol.

On July 12 2013 03:38 Kaitlin wrote:
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On July 12 2013 03:37 BigFan wrote:
wait, he never said that. I thought he said that he tried to go for the gun but never said he got it?


Add it to the list of bullshit coming from this argument. Not the first, likely not the last.

yep, not the first.

On July 12 2013 03:38 Blacktion wrote:
Clueless about the american legal system but arnt these supposed to the closing arguements?
Shouldnt the prosecutors closing arguement be like "He is guilty because of X,Y,Z facts, shown by A,B,C evidence/testimonies"?
This guys got nothing but doubt, conjecture and shitting on zimmermans character. Doesnt he understand who the burden of proof is on?

yep, closing arguments. They don't have a strong theory so they are making random points and hoping the jury will just piece together some picture that works for them.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 11 2013 18:40 GMT
#7124
On July 12 2013 03:38 Blacktion wrote:
Clueless about the american legal system but arnt these supposed to the closing arguements?
Shouldnt the prosecutors closing arguement be like "He is guilty because of X,Y,Z facts, shown by A,B,C evidence/testimonies"?
This guys got nothing but doubt, conjecture and shitting on zimmermans character. Doesnt he understand who the burden of proof is on?


Evidence is not on his side. He's arguing for a conviction, regardless.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
July 11 2013 18:41 GMT
#7125
On July 12 2013 03:39 crms wrote:
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On July 12 2013 03:37 BigFan wrote:
wait, he never said that. I thought he said that he tried to go for the gun but never said he got it?



his friend who made a book wrote that zimmerman said treyvon grabbed the gun. in all testimony zimmerman has only said 'grabbed FOR the gun'. the friend said he must have heard wrong during his testimony.

oh ok makes sense.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
July 11 2013 18:42 GMT
#7126
On July 12 2013 03:38 Blacktion wrote:
This guys got nothing but doubt, conjecture and shitting on zimmermans character. Doesnt he understand who the burden of proof is on?

He does understand that quite well, he is an experienced prosecutor. the problem is that he is corrupt as sin and sees a chance to get famous by being the guy who put GZ in prison.
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 11 2013 18:43 GMT
#7127
That was the second lie, "Just tell her I killed him". He didn't say that, yet BDLR repeated it, at least he offered the alternative of "shot him". What he said, or at least what the testimony about what he said is "Just tell her I shot somebody", which is to alleviate her concerns that her husband was involved in a shooting, which is how the dimwit witness initially told GZ's wife, which is understandably alarming for no reason.
airtown
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States410 Posts
July 11 2013 18:44 GMT
#7128
On July 12 2013 03:37 BigFan wrote:
wait, he never said that. I thought he said that he tried to go for the gun but never said he got it?

It's actually quite possible for Martin to have touched the gun and for the forensic people to have not found his DNA. The rain might have washed it off, and if I remember correctly, there were one or two other items that there was NO touch DNA found on (which obviously people had touched.)
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 11 2013 18:44 GMT
#7129
On July 12 2013 03:42 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 03:38 Blacktion wrote:
This guys got nothing but doubt, conjecture and shitting on zimmermans character. Doesnt he understand who the burden of proof is on?

He does understand that quite well, he is an experienced prosecutor. the problem is that he is corrupt as sin and sees a chance to get famous by being the guy who put GZ in prison.

Oh come on, that is a bit much. The guy is just doing his job and the manslaughter charge might stick(ok, it won't, but hindsight is 20/20.)
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 11 2013 18:44 GMT
#7130
On July 12 2013 03:44 airtown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 03:37 BigFan wrote:
wait, he never said that. I thought he said that he tried to go for the gun but never said he got it?

It's actually quite possible for Martin to have touched the gun and for the forensic people to have not found his DNA. The rain might have washed it off, and if I remember correctly, there were one or two other items that there was NO touch DNA found on (which obviously people had touched.)


I'm pretty sure not even GZ's DNA was found on the fucking trigger.
Romantic
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1844 Posts
July 11 2013 18:45 GMT
#7131
On July 12 2013 03:26 Defacer wrote:
Based on all the available evidence, and the state's poorly constructed argument, Zimmerman should walk.

But at the end of the day Zimmerman still technically killed a 17 year old whose only intent that night was to visit his dad. When you step back from the situation (really, really far back) that's just seems 'wrong,' and for whatever reason, people in general have this unreasonable expectation that life is supposed to be 'fair' or 'make sense'.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was found guilty, just disappointed in -- well, the media and society for letting their emotions and desire for 'fairness' and over-rule the the importance of the law.




You don't know that his only intent was to visit his dad

I mean obviously at some point he also intended to kick Zimmerman's ass at the least

Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 11 2013 18:46 GMT
#7132
LOL. The button is what is weighing the sweatshirt to affect the angle. If I'm a juror, my eyes are rolling incessantly at that one.
dotHead
Profile Joined October 2010
United States233 Posts
July 11 2013 18:46 GMT
#7133
Wow, they just showed a computer monitor in the background with the picture of treyvons corpse. Totally freaky.
Aint got time to bleed
Blacktion
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1148 Posts
July 11 2013 18:46 GMT
#7134
On July 12 2013 03:40 Kaitlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 03:38 Blacktion wrote:
Clueless about the american legal system but arnt these supposed to the closing arguements?
Shouldnt the prosecutors closing arguement be like "He is guilty because of X,Y,Z facts, shown by A,B,C evidence/testimonies"?
This guys got nothing but doubt, conjecture and shitting on zimmermans character. Doesnt he understand who the burden of proof is on?


Evidence is not on his side. He's arguing for a conviction, regardless.

So the evidence is shit but hes trying to fire enough bullshit at the jury to confuse them?
Where's Boxer, there's victory! - figq
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 11 2013 18:47 GMT
#7135
This argument is all over the place. He is totally acting like a defense attorney poking holes in the theory of the case. He is making NO clear theory of the prosecution as to what happened supporting proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-11 18:49:26
July 11 2013 18:47 GMT
#7136
On July 12 2013 03:46 Blacktion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 03:40 Kaitlin wrote:
On July 12 2013 03:38 Blacktion wrote:
Clueless about the american legal system but arnt these supposed to the closing arguements?
Shouldnt the prosecutors closing arguement be like "He is guilty because of X,Y,Z facts, shown by A,B,C evidence/testimonies"?
This guys got nothing but doubt, conjecture and shitting on zimmermans character. Doesnt he understand who the burden of proof is on?


Evidence is not on his side. He's arguing for a conviction, regardless.

So the evidence is shit but hes trying to fire enough bullshit at the jury to confuse them?

Prosecutors are paid to go after the people they are paid to prosecute. most of the time, regardless of the evidence.

Its quite rare for a prosecutor to outright dismiss a case.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
July 11 2013 18:48 GMT
#7137
On July 12 2013 03:44 airtown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 03:37 BigFan wrote:
wait, he never said that. I thought he said that he tried to go for the gun but never said he got it?

It's actually quite possible for Martin to have touched the gun and for the forensic people to have not found his DNA. The rain might have washed it off, and if I remember correctly, there were one or two other items that there was NO touch DNA found on (which obviously people had touched.)


That's kinda weird. DNA is a crazy sticky molecule. If it gets on something, it's really hard to get it off. For example, rain cannot wash off DNA. Unless Florida's rain is particularly acidic.
#2throwed
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 11 2013 18:48 GMT
#7138
I'm not sure I'd think GZ was guilty if I'd listened to this closing argument and nothing else throughout this entire case.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 11 2013 18:49 GMT
#7139
On July 12 2013 03:46 Blacktion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 03:40 Kaitlin wrote:
On July 12 2013 03:38 Blacktion wrote:
Clueless about the american legal system but arnt these supposed to the closing arguements?
Shouldnt the prosecutors closing arguement be like "He is guilty because of X,Y,Z facts, shown by A,B,C evidence/testimonies"?
This guys got nothing but doubt, conjecture and shitting on zimmermans character. Doesnt he understand who the burden of proof is on?


Evidence is not on his side. He's arguing for a conviction, regardless.

So the evidence is shit but hes trying to fire enough bullshit at the jury to confuse them?


Basically, yeah. Can anyone in this thread actually articulate exactly what the prosecution is suggesting happened through this course of events ? All BDLR seems to be doing, as the defense has been doing for quite some time, is poking holes in one theory put forth by the defense, not having their own version. This is because they, nor anyone else, can imagine a fact scenario supported by evidence, which proves Zimmerman guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
MethodSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States928 Posts
July 11 2013 18:49 GMT
#7140
One of the drawstrings on the sweatshirt was longer than the other. Is this the best you can do Dr. Phil? Please.
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