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Blacktion
United Kingdom1148 Posts
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:05 Sabu113 wrote: I thought the defense was closing on Monday? (Just tuned back in) So not til next week. Defense closes Friday. | ||
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Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
On July 12 2013 03:59 GreenGringo wrote: Only good argument in the entirety of that sermon was the one about Zimmerman being unable to cry out while being suffocated and with blood in his nose and throat. Anyone have any thoughts on what O'Mara's answer might be? There wasn't enough blood to literally drown him. It's not like he was being water boarded. | ||
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sc2superfan101
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
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meadbert
United States681 Posts
On July 12 2013 03:59 GreenGringo wrote: Only good argument in the entirety of that sermon was the one about Zimmerman being unable to cry out while being suffocated and with blood in his nose and throat. Anyone have any thoughts on what O'Mara's answer might be? If the prosecution claims the defendant had so much blood in his nose and Martin's hands were so tight around his throat that you could not "cry out" then he has basically conceded the defense's whole case which was self defense. O'Mara will probably repond that Zimmerman cried out while he was still able to and once he lost that ability as the prosecutor suggested he shot Martin as a last resort. | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:05 Plansix wrote: sc2superfan101 you know what would happen if he dismissed this specific case. The guy has to be practial and so does that state. In many way, its better that a jury just settle the matter once and for all. If the police had bothered to investigate in the first place we wouldn't need these theatrics. They had an incident that looked sketchy as hell and just wrote it off. So the media had to step in and be like "no, you need to actually pay attention to what goes on in your fucking state" which got everybody worked up and now the poor DA has to prosecute this case because political backlash would be severe, regardless of how strong his case it. If the police had done their job in the first place we'd all be fine. | ||
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mAKiTO
Colombia4171 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:21 mAKiTO wrote: what are the odss in vegas right now for a guilty veredict? considering its a jury and not lawyers, I do think it could go 50/50 or something unless O'Mara blows his closing argument out of the water. edit: confirmed! George Zimmerman has 3 hands! :O | ||
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autoexec
United States530 Posts
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mainerd
United States347 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:16 Klondikebar wrote: If the police had bothered to investigate in the first place we wouldn't need these theatrics. They had an incident that looked sketchy as hell and just wrote it off. So the media had to step in and be like "no, you need to actually pay attention to what goes on in your fucking state" which got everybody worked up and now the poor DA has to prosecute this case because political backlash would be severe, regardless of how strong his case it. If the police had done their job in the first place we'd all be fine. I have always wondered why the police are getting blamed in this case. They certainly weren't perfect (they never are), but they detained and interviewed Zimmerman, had him return to the scene to reenact the ordeal, interviewed the neighborhood witnesses and reconstructed the events as best they could before determining there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute. Where did they go wrong? | ||
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mAKiTO
Colombia4171 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:22 BigFan wrote: considering its a jury and not lawyers, I do think it could go 50/50 or something unless O'Mara blows his closing argument out of the water. edit: confirmed! George Zimmerman has 3 hands! :O thanks..on a side note Im hoping for a not guilty veredict, jury has to be insane to convict him | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:23 autoexec wrote: I'm just starting to tune in. I haven't been following this case at all and all I know are the main points that were presented to the media at the time of occurrence. Could anyone please explain what evidence the prosecution even has at this point that could make him guilty? What they have is Rachael's testimony (showing he instigated), lack of blood on the sidewalk (suggesting his story is false), and his comment about "they always get away" (suggesting intent) None of them refute John Good's testimony. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:23 autoexec wrote: I'm just starting to tune in. I haven't been following this case at all and all I know are the main points that were presented to the media at the time of occurrence. Could anyone please explain what evidence the prosecution even has at this point that could make him guilty? Some inconsistencies on GZ's story, testimony from the family and friends of GZ and basically the lack of evidence for either side. They are mostly hoping the jury doesn't buy the defense's theory and because of that conclude he must be guilty. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22308 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:24 mainerd wrote: I have always wondered why the police are getting blamed in this case. They certainly weren't perfect (they never are), but they detained and interviewed Zimmerman, had him return to the scene to reenact the ordeal, interviewed the neighborhood witnesses and reconstructed the events as best they could before determining there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute. Where did they go wrong? They didnt go wrong. the media threw up such a fit that public opinion forced them to prosecute a case they didnt believe in themselves. | ||
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autoexec
United States530 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:26 Thieving Magpie wrote: What they have is Rachael's testimony (showing he instigated), lack of blood on the sidewalk (suggesting his story is false), and his comment about "they always get away" (suggesting intent) None of them refute John Good's testimony. Could you explain John Good's testimony in a little more detail? Also, thanks. | ||
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mAKiTO
Colombia4171 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:24 mainerd wrote: I have always wondered why the police are getting blamed in this case. They certainly weren't perfect (they never are), but they detained and interviewed Zimmerman, had him return to the scene to reenact the ordeal, interviewed the neighborhood witnesses and reconstructed the events as best they could before determining there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute. Where did they go wrong? Agree, dumb media sensationalism made this case what it is, IMO they shoudlve worked out a deal of probation and maybe some house arrest and avoid all this circus due to media pressure btw, loved this article http://www.bondaction.org/content/article/37076/Black Racism Killed Trayvon Exclusive: Jesse Lee Peterson wants Americans to take stand against intimidation By Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson Rachel Jeantel, the troubled young woman who was speaking on the phone to Trayvon Martin just before he was killed, testified in George Zimmerman’s second-degree murder trial that Martin called Zimmerman a “creepy a– cracka” before their violent confrontation. I’ve been warning for the past 23 years that black racism is out-of-control – it appears black racism killed Trayvon Martin, and Paula Deen’s career! Since the shooting of Martin, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the NAACP (along with the liberal media) have done their best to portray Martin as an innocent kid tiptoeing through the tulips who just happened to be the victim of a racist white vigilante (even though Zimmerman is half Hispanic). Blatant hostility and racism toward whites is common among black youth. Martin’s friend Rachel Jeantel admitted that where she comes from the term “cracka” is a common term used to describe whites. Before his death, Martin was suspended from school; he was caught with a marijuana pipe; it was reported he had burglary tools in his locker; and it was recently revealed that pictures of marijuana plants and someone suspected to be Martin holding a gun were found on his cell phone. Does this sound like a well-adjusted teenager? Trayvon Martin was the product of a broken home. He was also a victim of the corrupt civil-right leaders who peddle racism infecting the minds of young blacks. Martin’s parents (Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton) stood next to race hustlers and knowingly allowed this case to be framed as a race issue. As a result, supporters have taken to Twitter, threatening to kill Zimmerman and random white people if he gets off: •@HotTopicLys: f**k Don West. f*** George Zimmerman. I’ll kill both them n***as. •@StayFocus_Jones: ima kill a white person in self-defense if Zimmerman go free lol on everything. •@ZackSlaterExe: If they don’t kill Zimmerman Ima kill me a cracka. •@BE4L_Pervis: If Zimmerman win, I’m gonna kill a white kid by mistake. All the threats and screams of racism from these thugs, as well as Sharpton and Jackson, have nothing to do with justice for Trayvon! Just as the uproar over celebrity chef Paula Deen’s use of the word “N–-er” decades ago has nothing to do with eradicating racism. Deen has been excoriated after she admitted she had used that word in a deposition over a case accusing her of condoning an atmosphere of sexual harassment and racism in her businesses. Paula Deen has apologized profusely to everybody and their mama! She released statements, videos and appeared on the “Today” show begging for forgiveness from blacks. Jesse Jackson (of all people!) has said his organization plans to investigate the matter and that he will help the embattled chef overhaul her image. She didn’t owe an apology to all black people. Jesse Jackson is not the gatekeeper to black America, and she doesn’t need him to remake her image. Since Paula’s admission, the Food Network, Wal-Mart, Caesars Entertainment, Smithfield Foods, Sears and diabetes drug maker Novo Nordisk are no longer doing business with her. This type of overreaction by majority white-owned companies is the height of cowardice. Just as in the Zimmerman case, it’s time for people to take a stand against all forms of racial intimidation! By apologizing to all blacks, Deen and her former sponsors are unwittingly sending the message that just the accusation alone is enough to get whites to cave. This only encourages vultures like Jackson and Sharpton to swoop in and exploit these incidents for personal gain. Jackson claims he’s going to investigate Deen’s past use of a racial slur. Did anyone investigate his past use of racial slurs when he used the slur “hymie” and “hymietown” respectively when referring to Jews and New York City? Or when Jackson accused Barack Obama of “talking down to black folks” by lecturing them on moral issues? If Jackson, Sharpton and the NAACP hadn’t jumped on the Trayvon Martin case and made it into a racial matter, nobody would have heard of it. His death would have gone unnoticed, just like the more than 500 black youths that were murdered in Chicago in black-on-black violence last year. The attention on the Zimmerman trial is not about justice for Trayvon; it’s about intimidation and dividing the American people along race. I hear from many white people that they’ve given up on trying to help or deal with blacks. If they hire blacks, they’re afraid to correct them because they may cry racism. God forbid if they have to lay off or fire a black employee – all hell might break loose! This is putting fear in white people because they can’t win either way. Whites have to overcome the fear of being called “racist.” Blacks have to be on the side of good and stand for what is right, regardless of race. In order to conquer these racist black leaders, we must see clearly that the uproar in the Trayvon Martin and Paula cases is NOT about justice. Original Source: http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/black-racism-killed-trayvon-and-paula-deens-career/ | ||
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Millitron
United States2611 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:23 autoexec wrote: I'm just starting to tune in. I haven't been following this case at all and all I know are the main points that were presented to the media at the time of occurrence. Could anyone please explain what evidence the prosecution even has at this point that could make him guilty? Zimmerman maybe kinda contradicted himself on unimportant details, and a few (discredited) witnesses said Zimmerman was on top. Prosecution has practically nothing. | ||
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