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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On June 29 2013 07:59 dAPhREAk wrote: west always looks confused and surprised I kind of thought his facial expressions when crossing Rachel were somewhat purposefully calculated to elicit a response from the witness. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On June 29 2013 08:05 Kaitlin wrote: I kind of thought his facial expressions when crossing Rachel were somewhat purposefully calculated to elicit a response from the witness. i think he was legitimately confused and surprised with that cross. but even with other witnesses, he seems so confused all the time like there was a script he wants the witness to follow and if they deviate from the script, he doesnt know what to do. i imagine this is not the case obviously, but his style bothers me. not as bad as the first chair prosecutor though. that guy gets all flustered when he doesnt like the testimony, and then he starts off on his redirect "well, fuck you, you didnt give me what you wanted so i am going to ask the first question in a loud voice and throw my hands around like a chicken with its head cut off." thats just, like, my opinion though, man. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
Would it be possible/advisable for Zimmerman to open a suit against the State after he is found innocent (as this seems to be the likely end-result)? This guys life is quite literally ruined thanks to this absurd trial. The media has painted him as some racist murderer. I can say as a business owner that I would not touch Zimmerman with a 10 foot pole, regardless of his innocence, as I deal with many individuals of different ethnic backgrounds and it could reflect poorly on me in their eyes. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On June 29 2013 08:14 Dosey wrote: Question for Phreak/Daunt as you two seem to be the more well-versed in this thread: Would it be possible/advisable for Zimmerman to open a suit against the State after he is found innocent (as this seems to be the likely end-result)? This guys life is quite literally ruined thanks to this absurd trial. The media has painted him as some racist murderer. I can say as a business owner that I would not touch Zimmerman with a 10 foot pole, regardless of his innocence, as I deal with many individuals of different ethnic backgrounds and it could reflect poorly on me in their eyes. No, the State generally has immunity for prosecution activities. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On June 29 2013 08:14 Dosey wrote: Question for Phreak/Daunt as you two seem to be the more well-versed in this thread: Would it be possible/advisable for Zimmerman to open a suit against the State after he is found innocent (as this seems to be the likely end-result)? This guys life is quite literally ruined thanks to this absurd trial. The media has painted him as some racist murderer. I can say as a business owner that I would not touch Zimmerman with a 10 foot pole, regardless of his innocence, as I deal with many individuals of different ethnic backgrounds and it could reflect poorly on me in their eyes. not unless they have some serious evidence of misconduct on behalf of the prosecutor's office (i.e., telling witnesses to lie, withholding exculpatory evidence, etc.). i am not sure of the specific standard, but i believe that if the state had probable cause (this is an incredibly low standard) to bring the case against zimmerman then they cant be sued. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On June 29 2013 08:18 dAPhREAk wrote: not unless they have some serious evidence of misconduct on behalf of the prosecutor's office (i.e., telling witnesses to lie, withholding exculpatory evidence, etc.). i am not sure of the specific standard, but i believe that if the state had probable cause (this is an incredibly low standard) to bring the case against zimmerman then they cant be sued. Ah okay, thanks for clarifying you two. Kind of a raw deal for him, but at least he isn't a teacher or something of that nature... he'd be totally screwed then. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
To bring a lawsuit for malicious prosecution in Florida, a plaintiff must allege and prove the following six elements: (1) a criminal or civil judicial proceeding was commenced or continued against a present plaintiff; (2) the commencement or continuation of that proceeding was caused by the present defendant; (3) there was a “bona fide” termination of the proceeding in the present plaintiff’s favor; (4) there was no probable cause for the judicial proceeding to be commenced or continued; (5) the present defendant commenced or continued the proceedings against the present plaintiff with “malice;” (6) the defendant caused legally cognizable damage to the present plaintiff. See Central Fla. Mach. Co. v. Williams, 424 So. 2d 201, 202 (Fla. 2d DCA 1983). The right of a Florida plaintiff to bring a civil action for malicious prosecution is based on the right of an individual “to be protected from unjustifiable litigation or unwarranted criminal prosecution.” Burns v. Gcc Bevs., 502 So. 2d 1217, 1219 (Fla. 1986). However, balanced against this right is “the need of society to bring criminals to justice by protecting those who, in good faith, report and legally prosecute persons apparently guilty of crime.” Id. For this reason, malicious prosecution is one of the most difficult civil causes of action to maintain and prove under Florida law. http://www.husseinandwebber.com/florida-malicious-prosecution.html | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On June 29 2013 08:18 dAPhREAk wrote: not unless they have some serious evidence of misconduct on behalf of the prosecutor's office (i.e., telling witnesses to lie, withholding exculpatory evidence, etc.). i am not sure of the specific standard, but i believe that if the state had probable cause (this is an incredibly low standard) to bring the case against zimmerman then they cant be sued. Feels like there actually might be a case for that. The whole "special prosecutor" business seemed like a judicial lynching, although I'm not sure there's anything substantial to pin there. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On June 29 2013 08:36 HazMat wrote: Is the stream in the OP supposed to just be a view of some land. Is there a different stream? The LIVE stream goes down everyday at 5PM EST. It won't comeback until Monday 9am EST. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On June 29 2013 08:36 HazMat wrote: Is the stream in the OP supposed to just be a view of some land. Is there a different stream? thats the land of the free, son. the youtube has videos that are updated (also in op) if you want to rewatch today's trial. trial is done until monday at 9 a.m. est. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 29 2013 08:24 LegalLord wrote: Feels like there actually might be a case for that. The whole "special prosecutor" business seemed like a judicial lynching, although I'm not sure there's anything substantial to pin there. The special prosecutor was only used to the media issues surrounding the case. When you get a case with high media exposure, most states get opt to use attorneys who have had media training. It safer for the case and avoids a lot of problems. Attorneys are educated and versed in the law, but that doesn't mean they won't go full retard when the camera is on them. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On June 29 2013 08:04 Mr. Nefarious wrote: Punk ass black kid with reputation for drugs, gold teeth, suspensions and physical assaults gets his brains blown out for assaulting the wrong guy and the world cries the race card. I don't want to live on this planet anymore. User was temp banned for this post. Zimmerman is probably not guilty of anything but being stupid and human — kind of like this poster. Zimmerman stalked and treated a teenager like a criminal because he was black, and tragedy and calamity ensued. But yeah, race had a lot to do with this situation even happening, which is why people are invested in it. + Show Spoiler + Brown Eye Blue Eye experiment | ||
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Orangered
289 Posts
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Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
On June 29 2013 10:19 Orangered wrote: The case is obviously more complicated than it firds seems The case is far more complicated than the media wanted it to be. It would have been so much better for them if it was a racist white guy shooting a little black kid for no reason (at least that's how they wanted to make it seem) | ||
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Millitron
United States2611 Posts
On June 29 2013 10:11 Defacer wrote: Zimmerman is probably not guilty of anything but being stupid and human — kind of like this poster. Zimmerman stalked and treated a teenager like a criminal because he was black, and tragedy and calamity ensued. But yeah, race had a lot to do with this situation even happening, which is why people are invested in it. + Show Spoiler + Brown Eye Blue Eye experiment http://youtu.be/VeK759FF84s The bolded part is up for contention, and this trial has certainly not shown it to be true. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
Zimmerman stalked and treated a teenager like a criminal because he was black No proof of this even if it's plausible and might seem reasonable to assume, that the determining factor in Zimmerman's mind was race. | ||
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Millitron
United States2611 Posts
On June 29 2013 10:23 DeepElemBlues wrote: No proof of this even if it's plausible and might seem reasonable to assume, that the determining factor in Zimmerman's mind was race. He likely couldn't even tell Martin's race when he first followed him. It was night, rainy, and Martin had his hood pulled up. | ||
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Zenocide
United States92 Posts
On June 29 2013 10:11 Defacer wrote: Zimmerman is probably not guilty of anything but being stupid and human — kind of like this poster. Zimmerman stalked and treated a teenager like a criminal because he was black, and tragedy and calamity ensued. But yeah, race had a lot to do with this situation even happening, which is why people are invested in it. + Show Spoiler + Brown Eye Blue Eye experiment http://youtu.be/VeK759FF84s I find it hard to believe that a person with the intent of stalking another would call 911 to report suspicious activity. Stalkers don't normally call 911 while they are stalking. | ||
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