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On June 29 2013 10:28 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 10:23 DeepElemBlues wrote:Zimmerman stalked and treated a teenager like a criminal because he was black No proof of this even if it's plausible and might seem reasonable to assume, that the determining factor in Zimmerman's mind was race. He likely couldn't even tell Martin's race when he first followed him. It was night, rainy, and Martin had his hood pulled up.
The recording of his phone call clearly shows that he wasn't sure initially of Trayvon's race when asked by the operator. He subsequently confirmed that he was black when he got a better look. That's in evidence, so the evidence is clear that he wasn't sure of the race when he made the call and started "following".
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On June 29 2013 10:23 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +Zimmerman stalked and treated a teenager like a criminal because he was black No proof of this even if it's plausible and might seem reasonable to assume, that the determining factor in Zimmerman's mind was race.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1llvUfrqawQ
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On June 29 2013 11:02 Trizz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 10:23 DeepElemBlues wrote:Zimmerman stalked and treated a teenager like a criminal because he was black No proof of this even if it's plausible and might seem reasonable to assume, that the determining factor in Zimmerman's mind was race. http://vocaroo.com/i/s1llvUfrqawQ
Mostly right.
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On June 29 2013 10:33 Zenocide wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 10:11 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 08:04 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
Punk ass black kid with reputation for drugs, gold teeth, suspensions and physical assaults gets his brains blown out for assaulting the wrong guy and the world cries the race card. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
User was temp banned for this post. Zimmerman is probably not guilty of anything but being stupid and human — kind of like this poster. Zimmerman stalked and treated a teenager like a criminal because he was black, and tragedy and calamity ensued. But yeah, race had a lot to do with this situation even happening, which is why people are invested in it. + Show Spoiler +Brown Eye Blue Eye experiment I find it hard to believe that a person with the intent of stalking another would call 911 to report suspicious activity. Stalkers don't normally call 911 while they are stalking.
Didn't the 911 operator instruct George Zimmerman NOT to follow Trayvon?
Maybe 'stalking' is the wrong word. But Zimmerman did something dumb. You can test this going out tonight, and silently follow a woman or black kid or anyone else for ten minutes on the street and see how they react.
Obviously I think Zimmerman didn't deserve to get attacked for what he did, but ... yeah. I get it. I've been followed by creepy old dudes when I was a younger — and my natural reaction was to ball up my keys in my fist and get ready to fight.
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On June 29 2013 11:34 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 10:33 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 10:11 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 08:04 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
Punk ass black kid with reputation for drugs, gold teeth, suspensions and physical assaults gets his brains blown out for assaulting the wrong guy and the world cries the race card. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
User was temp banned for this post. Zimmerman is probably not guilty of anything but being stupid and human — kind of like this poster. Zimmerman stalked and treated a teenager like a criminal because he was black, and tragedy and calamity ensued. But yeah, race had a lot to do with this situation even happening, which is why people are invested in it. + Show Spoiler + I find it hard to believe that a person with the intent of stalking another would call 911 to report suspicious activity. Stalkers don't normally call 911 while they are stalking. Didn't the 911 operator instruct George Zimmerman NOT to follow Trayvon? Maybe 'stalking' is the wrong word. But Zimmerman did something dumb. You can test this going out tonight, and silently follow a woman or black kid or anyone else for ten minutes on the street and see how they react. Obviously I think Zimmerman didn't deserve to get attacked for what he did, but ... yeah. I get it. I've been followed by creepy old dudes when I was a younger — and my natural reaction was to ball up my keys in my fist and get ready to fight.
The 911 operator did not, and can not give direct orders. Maybe he was a bit over zealous in his intent to find out which way Trayvon Martin went, but just as you said even if he was directly following him that doesn't give Trayvon the ok to attack him.
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On June 29 2013 11:40 Zenocide wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 11:34 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 10:33 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 10:11 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 08:04 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
Punk ass black kid with reputation for drugs, gold teeth, suspensions and physical assaults gets his brains blown out for assaulting the wrong guy and the world cries the race card. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
User was temp banned for this post. Zimmerman is probably not guilty of anything but being stupid and human — kind of like this poster. Zimmerman stalked and treated a teenager like a criminal because he was black, and tragedy and calamity ensued. But yeah, race had a lot to do with this situation even happening, which is why people are invested in it. + Show Spoiler + I find it hard to believe that a person with the intent of stalking another would call 911 to report suspicious activity. Stalkers don't normally call 911 while they are stalking. Didn't the 911 operator instruct George Zimmerman NOT to follow Trayvon? Maybe 'stalking' is the wrong word. But Zimmerman did something dumb. You can test this going out tonight, and silently follow a woman or black kid or anyone else for ten minutes on the street and see how they react. Obviously I think Zimmerman didn't deserve to get attacked for what he did, but ... yeah. I get it. I've been followed by creepy old dudes when I was a younger — and my natural reaction was to ball up my keys in my fist and get ready to fight. The 911 operator did not, and can not give direct orders. Maybe he was a bit over zealous in his intent to find out which way Trayvon Martin went, but just as you said even if he was directly following him that doesn't give Trayvon the ok to attack him.
Zimmerman allegedly "followed" Trayvon Martin. We don't know for sure. Either Zimmerman did follow him (which there is no evidence to support this other than the witness testimony of Travyon's friend which is shakey at best) or Zimmerman got out of his car to get an address for police like he said he did when he was confronted and assaulted by Trayvon.
And as to the operator's intructions, the operator himself testified they can't and don't give orders because then they are liable as to what happens. So it's actually their policy to not give orders. He said he suggested Zimmerman that he didn't need to do that.
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On June 29 2013 11:47 Esk23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 11:40 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 11:34 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 10:33 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 10:11 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 08:04 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
Punk ass black kid with reputation for drugs, gold teeth, suspensions and physical assaults gets his brains blown out for assaulting the wrong guy and the world cries the race card. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
User was temp banned for this post. Zimmerman is probably not guilty of anything but being stupid and human — kind of like this poster. Zimmerman stalked and treated a teenager like a criminal because he was black, and tragedy and calamity ensued. But yeah, race had a lot to do with this situation even happening, which is why people are invested in it. + Show Spoiler + I find it hard to believe that a person with the intent of stalking another would call 911 to report suspicious activity. Stalkers don't normally call 911 while they are stalking. Didn't the 911 operator instruct George Zimmerman NOT to follow Trayvon? Maybe 'stalking' is the wrong word. But Zimmerman did something dumb. You can test this going out tonight, and silently follow a woman or black kid or anyone else for ten minutes on the street and see how they react. Obviously I think Zimmerman didn't deserve to get attacked for what he did, but ... yeah. I get it. I've been followed by creepy old dudes when I was a younger — and my natural reaction was to ball up my keys in my fist and get ready to fight. The 911 operator did not, and can not give direct orders. Maybe he was a bit over zealous in his intent to find out which way Trayvon Martin went, but just as you said even if he was directly following him that doesn't give Trayvon the ok to attack him. Zimmerman allegedly "followed" Trayvon Martin. We don't know for sure. Either Zimmerman did follow him (which there is no evidence to support this other than the witness testimony of Travyon's friend which is shakey at best) or Zimmerman got out of his car to get an address for police like he said he did when he was confronted and assaulted by Trayvon. And as to the operator intructors, the operator himself testified they can't and don't give orders because then they are liable as to what happens. So it's actually their policy to not give orders. He said he suggested Zimmerman that he didn't need to do that.
To the 911 operator, yes that's why I said that, because of his testimony of saying they don't give orders. I personally believe Zimmerman was following Trayvon but he was not directly chasing him. In my mind he was moving around the area to get a better idea where he ran to. My own question I have is if Trayvon felt that this creepy ass cracker was a rapist or some type of threat, I wonder why he didn't continue to run and keep his distance, and get to his family members house.
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On June 29 2013 11:02 Trizz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 10:23 DeepElemBlues wrote:Zimmerman stalked and treated a teenager like a criminal because he was black No proof of this even if it's plausible and might seem reasonable to assume, that the determining factor in Zimmerman's mind was race. http://vocaroo.com/i/s1llvUfrqawQ
oh thanks
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On June 29 2013 11:47 Esk23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 11:40 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 11:34 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 10:33 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 10:11 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 08:04 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
Punk ass black kid with reputation for drugs, gold teeth, suspensions and physical assaults gets his brains blown out for assaulting the wrong guy and the world cries the race card. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
User was temp banned for this post. Zimmerman is probably not guilty of anything but being stupid and human — kind of like this poster. Zimmerman stalked and treated a teenager like a criminal because he was black, and tragedy and calamity ensued. But yeah, race had a lot to do with this situation even happening, which is why people are invested in it. + Show Spoiler + I find it hard to believe that a person with the intent of stalking another would call 911 to report suspicious activity. Stalkers don't normally call 911 while they are stalking. Didn't the 911 operator instruct George Zimmerman NOT to follow Trayvon? Maybe 'stalking' is the wrong word. But Zimmerman did something dumb. You can test this going out tonight, and silently follow a woman or black kid or anyone else for ten minutes on the street and see how they react. Obviously I think Zimmerman didn't deserve to get attacked for what he did, but ... yeah. I get it. I've been followed by creepy old dudes when I was a younger — and my natural reaction was to ball up my keys in my fist and get ready to fight. The 911 operator did not, and can not give direct orders. Maybe he was a bit over zealous in his intent to find out which way Trayvon Martin went, but just as you said even if he was directly following him that doesn't give Trayvon the ok to attack him. Zimmerman allegedly "followed" Trayvon Martin. We don't know for sure. Either Zimmerman did follow him (which there is no evidence to support this other than the witness testimony of Travyon's friend which is shakey at best) or Zimmerman got out of his car to get an address for police like he said he did when he was confronted and assaulted by Trayvon.
Well, that's why this situation is fascinating and has captured the imagination of people. You can't help but put yourself in George Zimmerman and Trayvon's situation and wonder what triggered the altercation and whether or not it could have been avoided.
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On June 29 2013 11:55 Zenocide wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 11:47 Esk23 wrote:On June 29 2013 11:40 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 11:34 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 10:33 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 10:11 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 08:04 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
Punk ass black kid with reputation for drugs, gold teeth, suspensions and physical assaults gets his brains blown out for assaulting the wrong guy and the world cries the race card. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
User was temp banned for this post. Zimmerman is probably not guilty of anything but being stupid and human — kind of like this poster. Zimmerman stalked and treated a teenager like a criminal because he was black, and tragedy and calamity ensued. But yeah, race had a lot to do with this situation even happening, which is why people are invested in it. + Show Spoiler + I find it hard to believe that a person with the intent of stalking another would call 911 to report suspicious activity. Stalkers don't normally call 911 while they are stalking. Didn't the 911 operator instruct George Zimmerman NOT to follow Trayvon? Maybe 'stalking' is the wrong word. But Zimmerman did something dumb. You can test this going out tonight, and silently follow a woman or black kid or anyone else for ten minutes on the street and see how they react. Obviously I think Zimmerman didn't deserve to get attacked for what he did, but ... yeah. I get it. I've been followed by creepy old dudes when I was a younger — and my natural reaction was to ball up my keys in my fist and get ready to fight. The 911 operator did not, and can not give direct orders. Maybe he was a bit over zealous in his intent to find out which way Trayvon Martin went, but just as you said even if he was directly following him that doesn't give Trayvon the ok to attack him. Zimmerman allegedly "followed" Trayvon Martin. We don't know for sure. Either Zimmerman did follow him (which there is no evidence to support this other than the witness testimony of Travyon's friend which is shakey at best) or Zimmerman got out of his car to get an address for police like he said he did when he was confronted and assaulted by Trayvon. And as to the operator intructors, the operator himself testified they can't and don't give orders because then they are liable as to what happens. So it's actually their policy to not give orders. He said he suggested Zimmerman that he didn't need to do that. To the 911 operator, yes that's why I said that, because of his testimony of saying they don't give orders. I personally believe Zimmerman was following Trayvon but he was not directly chasing him. In my mind he was moving around the area to get a better idea where he ran to. My own question I have is if Trayvon felt that this creepy ass cracker was a rapist or some type of threat, I wonder why he didn't continue to run and keep his distance, and get to his family members house.
I used to live in a bad neighborhood, and I remember a guy was following me in his car late at night. I was getting a bad vibe but I didn't know if I was being paranoid — like, maybe he just need directions. I stopped walking, and he rolled down his window and asked me if I wanted to get in.
Grrrrrrroooooooooooossssss.
In retrospect I should have got off the sidewalk and tried to lose him, but hey — he looked like Wilford Brimley? How dangerous can a creepy old white man be, right?
I know you can't prove that race was a factor in Zimmerman's case, but who are we kidding? I'm honest enough with myself to admit if it was a young black man following me in his car, I probably would have ran and not stopped at all.
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On June 29 2013 12:11 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 11:55 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 11:47 Esk23 wrote:On June 29 2013 11:40 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 11:34 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 10:33 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 10:11 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 08:04 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
Punk ass black kid with reputation for drugs, gold teeth, suspensions and physical assaults gets his brains blown out for assaulting the wrong guy and the world cries the race card. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
User was temp banned for this post. Zimmerman is probably not guilty of anything but being stupid and human — kind of like this poster. Zimmerman stalked and treated a teenager like a criminal because he was black, and tragedy and calamity ensued. But yeah, race had a lot to do with this situation even happening, which is why people are invested in it. + Show Spoiler + I find it hard to believe that a person with the intent of stalking another would call 911 to report suspicious activity. Stalkers don't normally call 911 while they are stalking. Didn't the 911 operator instruct George Zimmerman NOT to follow Trayvon? Maybe 'stalking' is the wrong word. But Zimmerman did something dumb. You can test this going out tonight, and silently follow a woman or black kid or anyone else for ten minutes on the street and see how they react. Obviously I think Zimmerman didn't deserve to get attacked for what he did, but ... yeah. I get it. I've been followed by creepy old dudes when I was a younger — and my natural reaction was to ball up my keys in my fist and get ready to fight. The 911 operator did not, and can not give direct orders. Maybe he was a bit over zealous in his intent to find out which way Trayvon Martin went, but just as you said even if he was directly following him that doesn't give Trayvon the ok to attack him. Zimmerman allegedly "followed" Trayvon Martin. We don't know for sure. Either Zimmerman did follow him (which there is no evidence to support this other than the witness testimony of Travyon's friend which is shakey at best) or Zimmerman got out of his car to get an address for police like he said he did when he was confronted and assaulted by Trayvon. And as to the operator intructors, the operator himself testified they can't and don't give orders because then they are liable as to what happens. So it's actually their policy to not give orders. He said he suggested Zimmerman that he didn't need to do that. To the 911 operator, yes that's why I said that, because of his testimony of saying they don't give orders. I personally believe Zimmerman was following Trayvon but he was not directly chasing him. In my mind he was moving around the area to get a better idea where he ran to. My own question I have is if Trayvon felt that this creepy ass cracker was a rapist or some type of threat, I wonder why he didn't continue to run and keep his distance, and get to his family members house. I used to live in a bad neighborhood, and I remember a guy was following me in his car late at night. I was getting a bad vibe but I didn't know if I was being paranoid — like, maybe he just need directions. I stopped walking, and he rolled down his window and asked me if I wanted to get in. Grrrrrrroooooooooooossssss. In retrospect I should have got off the sidewalk and tried to lose him, but hey — he looked like Wilford Brimley? How dangerous can a creepy old white man be, right? I know you can't prove that race was a factor in Zimmerman's case, but who are we kidding? I'm honest enough with myself to admit if it was a young black man following me in his car, I probably would have ran and not stopped at all.
We've already been over this. Zimmerman didn't know Martin's race when he first called police.
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On June 29 2013 12:12 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 12:11 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 11:55 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 11:47 Esk23 wrote:On June 29 2013 11:40 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 11:34 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 10:33 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 10:11 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 08:04 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
Punk ass black kid with reputation for drugs, gold teeth, suspensions and physical assaults gets his brains blown out for assaulting the wrong guy and the world cries the race card. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
User was temp banned for this post. Zimmerman is probably not guilty of anything but being stupid and human — kind of like this poster. Zimmerman stalked and treated a teenager like a criminal because he was black, and tragedy and calamity ensued. But yeah, race had a lot to do with this situation even happening, which is why people are invested in it. + Show Spoiler + I find it hard to believe that a person with the intent of stalking another would call 911 to report suspicious activity. Stalkers don't normally call 911 while they are stalking. Didn't the 911 operator instruct George Zimmerman NOT to follow Trayvon? Maybe 'stalking' is the wrong word. But Zimmerman did something dumb. You can test this going out tonight, and silently follow a woman or black kid or anyone else for ten minutes on the street and see how they react. Obviously I think Zimmerman didn't deserve to get attacked for what he did, but ... yeah. I get it. I've been followed by creepy old dudes when I was a younger — and my natural reaction was to ball up my keys in my fist and get ready to fight. The 911 operator did not, and can not give direct orders. Maybe he was a bit over zealous in his intent to find out which way Trayvon Martin went, but just as you said even if he was directly following him that doesn't give Trayvon the ok to attack him. Zimmerman allegedly "followed" Trayvon Martin. We don't know for sure. Either Zimmerman did follow him (which there is no evidence to support this other than the witness testimony of Travyon's friend which is shakey at best) or Zimmerman got out of his car to get an address for police like he said he did when he was confronted and assaulted by Trayvon. And as to the operator intructors, the operator himself testified they can't and don't give orders because then they are liable as to what happens. So it's actually their policy to not give orders. He said he suggested Zimmerman that he didn't need to do that. To the 911 operator, yes that's why I said that, because of his testimony of saying they don't give orders. I personally believe Zimmerman was following Trayvon but he was not directly chasing him. In my mind he was moving around the area to get a better idea where he ran to. My own question I have is if Trayvon felt that this creepy ass cracker was a rapist or some type of threat, I wonder why he didn't continue to run and keep his distance, and get to his family members house. I used to live in a bad neighborhood, and I remember a guy was following me in his car late at night. I was getting a bad vibe but I didn't know if I was being paranoid — like, maybe he just need directions. I stopped walking, and he rolled down his window and asked me if I wanted to get in. Grrrrrrroooooooooooossssss. In retrospect I should have got off the sidewalk and tried to lose him, but hey — he looked like Wilford Brimley? How dangerous can a creepy old white man be, right? I know you can't prove that race was a factor in Zimmerman's case, but who are we kidding? I'm honest enough with myself to admit if it was a young black man following me in his car, I probably would have ran and not stopped at all. We've already been over this. Zimmerman didn't know Martin's race when he first called police.
Doesn't matter if he did or not.
His neighborhood and been burglarized numerous times and the person he saw (Trayvon Martin) matched the description of the people committing the burglaries (young black males). It's not racist is just a fact. It's not just that Trayvon Martin matched the description of the perpetrators that made GZ suspicious, it was the way he was loitering around in the rain in the dark "looking around at houses" in a dark hoodie. That would make anyone suspicious.
Honestly though it really seems this whole event is pretty tragic especially because there seems to have been a misunderstanding on Zimmerman's and Trayvon's part.
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On June 29 2013 12:11 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 11:55 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 11:47 Esk23 wrote:On June 29 2013 11:40 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 11:34 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 10:33 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 10:11 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 08:04 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
Punk ass black kid with reputation for drugs, gold teeth, suspensions and physical assaults gets his brains blown out for assaulting the wrong guy and the world cries the race card. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
User was temp banned for this post. Zimmerman is probably not guilty of anything but being stupid and human — kind of like this poster. Zimmerman stalked and treated a teenager like a criminal because he was black, and tragedy and calamity ensued. But yeah, race had a lot to do with this situation even happening, which is why people are invested in it. + Show Spoiler + I find it hard to believe that a person with the intent of stalking another would call 911 to report suspicious activity. Stalkers don't normally call 911 while they are stalking. Didn't the 911 operator instruct George Zimmerman NOT to follow Trayvon? Maybe 'stalking' is the wrong word. But Zimmerman did something dumb. You can test this going out tonight, and silently follow a woman or black kid or anyone else for ten minutes on the street and see how they react. Obviously I think Zimmerman didn't deserve to get attacked for what he did, but ... yeah. I get it. I've been followed by creepy old dudes when I was a younger — and my natural reaction was to ball up my keys in my fist and get ready to fight. The 911 operator did not, and can not give direct orders. Maybe he was a bit over zealous in his intent to find out which way Trayvon Martin went, but just as you said even if he was directly following him that doesn't give Trayvon the ok to attack him. Zimmerman allegedly "followed" Trayvon Martin. We don't know for sure. Either Zimmerman did follow him (which there is no evidence to support this other than the witness testimony of Travyon's friend which is shakey at best) or Zimmerman got out of his car to get an address for police like he said he did when he was confronted and assaulted by Trayvon. And as to the operator intructors, the operator himself testified they can't and don't give orders because then they are liable as to what happens. So it's actually their policy to not give orders. He said he suggested Zimmerman that he didn't need to do that. To the 911 operator, yes that's why I said that, because of his testimony of saying they don't give orders. I personally believe Zimmerman was following Trayvon but he was not directly chasing him. In my mind he was moving around the area to get a better idea where he ran to. My own question I have is if Trayvon felt that this creepy ass cracker was a rapist or some type of threat, I wonder why he didn't continue to run and keep his distance, and get to his family members house. I used to live in a bad neighborhood, and I remember a guy was following me in his car late at night. I was getting a bad vibe but I didn't know if I was being paranoid — like, maybe he just need directions. I stopped walking, and he rolled down his window and asked me if I wanted to get in. Grrrrrrroooooooooooossssss. In retrospect I should have got off the sidewalk and tried to lose him, but hey — he looked like Wilford Brimley? How dangerous can a creepy old white man be, right? I know you can't prove that race was a factor in Zimmerman's case, but who are we kidding? I'm honest enough with myself to admit if it was a young black man following me in his car, I probably would have ran and not stopped at all.
Whats leads you to believe if in fact you do, that Zimmerman purposely signaled out Trayvon because he was black and only because he was black? I say to the people who accuse Zimmerman of cold blood racial murder, why in the world would he call 911? Why would he stay around after the shooting? Why would he not just shoot Trayvon right away?
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The defense did an amazing job, they established in my mind (hoping the juries) that the wounds on Zimmerman correlated with wounds consistent with getting beaten on the ground, and they provided reasonable doubt for murder. Now I think manslaughter maximum.
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On June 29 2013 11:55 Zenocide wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 11:47 Esk23 wrote:On June 29 2013 11:40 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 11:34 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 10:33 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 10:11 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 08:04 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
Punk ass black kid with reputation for drugs, gold teeth, suspensions and physical assaults gets his brains blown out for assaulting the wrong guy and the world cries the race card. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
User was temp banned for this post. Zimmerman is probably not guilty of anything but being stupid and human — kind of like this poster. Zimmerman stalked and treated a teenager like a criminal because he was black, and tragedy and calamity ensued. But yeah, race had a lot to do with this situation even happening, which is why people are invested in it. + Show Spoiler + I find it hard to believe that a person with the intent of stalking another would call 911 to report suspicious activity. Stalkers don't normally call 911 while they are stalking. Didn't the 911 operator instruct George Zimmerman NOT to follow Trayvon? Maybe 'stalking' is the wrong word. But Zimmerman did something dumb. You can test this going out tonight, and silently follow a woman or black kid or anyone else for ten minutes on the street and see how they react. Obviously I think Zimmerman didn't deserve to get attacked for what he did, but ... yeah. I get it. I've been followed by creepy old dudes when I was a younger — and my natural reaction was to ball up my keys in my fist and get ready to fight. The 911 operator did not, and can not give direct orders. Maybe he was a bit over zealous in his intent to find out which way Trayvon Martin went, but just as you said even if he was directly following him that doesn't give Trayvon the ok to attack him. Zimmerman allegedly "followed" Trayvon Martin. We don't know for sure. Either Zimmerman did follow him (which there is no evidence to support this other than the witness testimony of Travyon's friend which is shakey at best) or Zimmerman got out of his car to get an address for police like he said he did when he was confronted and assaulted by Trayvon. And as to the operator intructors, the operator himself testified they can't and don't give orders because then they are liable as to what happens. So it's actually their policy to not give orders. He said he suggested Zimmerman that he didn't need to do that. To the 911 operator, yes that's why I said that, because of his testimony of saying they don't give orders. I personally believe Zimmerman was following Trayvon but he was not directly chasing him. In my mind he was moving around the area to get a better idea where he ran to. My own question I have is if Trayvon felt that this creepy ass cracker was a rapist or some type of threat, I wonder why he didn't continue to run and keep his distance, and get to his family members house.
Zimmerman in multiple 911 calls stated he didn't want to give his home address because he didn't want the person he was calling on to hear it and know where he lived. It stands to reason Trayvon not knowing who was following him also didn't want to lead this guy to where he was going either. There aren't many options at that point you either run for how knows who long to ditch the person or you confront them in some regard. Leading them to your family is not an option.
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On June 29 2013 12:12 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 12:11 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 11:55 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 11:47 Esk23 wrote:On June 29 2013 11:40 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 11:34 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 10:33 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 10:11 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 08:04 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
Punk ass black kid with reputation for drugs, gold teeth, suspensions and physical assaults gets his brains blown out for assaulting the wrong guy and the world cries the race card. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
User was temp banned for this post. Zimmerman is probably not guilty of anything but being stupid and human — kind of like this poster. Zimmerman stalked and treated a teenager like a criminal because he was black, and tragedy and calamity ensued. But yeah, race had a lot to do with this situation even happening, which is why people are invested in it. + Show Spoiler + I find it hard to believe that a person with the intent of stalking another would call 911 to report suspicious activity. Stalkers don't normally call 911 while they are stalking. Didn't the 911 operator instruct George Zimmerman NOT to follow Trayvon? Maybe 'stalking' is the wrong word. But Zimmerman did something dumb. You can test this going out tonight, and silently follow a woman or black kid or anyone else for ten minutes on the street and see how they react. Obviously I think Zimmerman didn't deserve to get attacked for what he did, but ... yeah. I get it. I've been followed by creepy old dudes when I was a younger — and my natural reaction was to ball up my keys in my fist and get ready to fight. The 911 operator did not, and can not give direct orders. Maybe he was a bit over zealous in his intent to find out which way Trayvon Martin went, but just as you said even if he was directly following him that doesn't give Trayvon the ok to attack him. Zimmerman allegedly "followed" Trayvon Martin. We don't know for sure. Either Zimmerman did follow him (which there is no evidence to support this other than the witness testimony of Travyon's friend which is shakey at best) or Zimmerman got out of his car to get an address for police like he said he did when he was confronted and assaulted by Trayvon. And as to the operator intructors, the operator himself testified they can't and don't give orders because then they are liable as to what happens. So it's actually their policy to not give orders. He said he suggested Zimmerman that he didn't need to do that. To the 911 operator, yes that's why I said that, because of his testimony of saying they don't give orders. I personally believe Zimmerman was following Trayvon but he was not directly chasing him. In my mind he was moving around the area to get a better idea where he ran to. My own question I have is if Trayvon felt that this creepy ass cracker was a rapist or some type of threat, I wonder why he didn't continue to run and keep his distance, and get to his family members house. I used to live in a bad neighborhood, and I remember a guy was following me in his car late at night. I was getting a bad vibe but I didn't know if I was being paranoid — like, maybe he just need directions. I stopped walking, and he rolled down his window and asked me if I wanted to get in. Grrrrrrroooooooooooossssss. In retrospect I should have got off the sidewalk and tried to lose him, but hey — he looked like Wilford Brimley? How dangerous can a creepy old white man be, right? I know you can't prove that race was a factor in Zimmerman's case, but who are we kidding? I'm honest enough with myself to admit if it was a young black man following me in his car, I probably would have ran and not stopped at all. We've already been over this. Zimmerman didn't know Martin's race when he first called police.
I was answering Zenocide's question about why, if Trayvon felt threatened, why he didn't run. Maybe he did feel threatened, but at the same time didn't know how to react, or wanted to make sure he wasn't just being paranoid by confronting Zimmerman.
You silly goose.
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On June 29 2013 12:24 Zenocide wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 12:11 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 11:55 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 11:47 Esk23 wrote:On June 29 2013 11:40 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 11:34 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 10:33 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 10:11 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 08:04 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
Punk ass black kid with reputation for drugs, gold teeth, suspensions and physical assaults gets his brains blown out for assaulting the wrong guy and the world cries the race card. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
User was temp banned for this post. Zimmerman is probably not guilty of anything but being stupid and human — kind of like this poster. Zimmerman stalked and treated a teenager like a criminal because he was black, and tragedy and calamity ensued. But yeah, race had a lot to do with this situation even happening, which is why people are invested in it. + Show Spoiler + I find it hard to believe that a person with the intent of stalking another would call 911 to report suspicious activity. Stalkers don't normally call 911 while they are stalking. Didn't the 911 operator instruct George Zimmerman NOT to follow Trayvon? Maybe 'stalking' is the wrong word. But Zimmerman did something dumb. You can test this going out tonight, and silently follow a woman or black kid or anyone else for ten minutes on the street and see how they react. Obviously I think Zimmerman didn't deserve to get attacked for what he did, but ... yeah. I get it. I've been followed by creepy old dudes when I was a younger — and my natural reaction was to ball up my keys in my fist and get ready to fight. The 911 operator did not, and can not give direct orders. Maybe he was a bit over zealous in his intent to find out which way Trayvon Martin went, but just as you said even if he was directly following him that doesn't give Trayvon the ok to attack him. Zimmerman allegedly "followed" Trayvon Martin. We don't know for sure. Either Zimmerman did follow him (which there is no evidence to support this other than the witness testimony of Travyon's friend which is shakey at best) or Zimmerman got out of his car to get an address for police like he said he did when he was confronted and assaulted by Trayvon. And as to the operator intructors, the operator himself testified they can't and don't give orders because then they are liable as to what happens. So it's actually their policy to not give orders. He said he suggested Zimmerman that he didn't need to do that. To the 911 operator, yes that's why I said that, because of his testimony of saying they don't give orders. I personally believe Zimmerman was following Trayvon but he was not directly chasing him. In my mind he was moving around the area to get a better idea where he ran to. My own question I have is if Trayvon felt that this creepy ass cracker was a rapist or some type of threat, I wonder why he didn't continue to run and keep his distance, and get to his family members house. I used to live in a bad neighborhood, and I remember a guy was following me in his car late at night. I was getting a bad vibe but I didn't know if I was being paranoid — like, maybe he just need directions. I stopped walking, and he rolled down his window and asked me if I wanted to get in. Grrrrrrroooooooooooossssss. In retrospect I should have got off the sidewalk and tried to lose him, but hey — he looked like Wilford Brimley? How dangerous can a creepy old white man be, right? I know you can't prove that race was a factor in Zimmerman's case, but who are we kidding? I'm honest enough with myself to admit if it was a young black man following me in his car, I probably would have ran and not stopped at all. Whats leads you to believe if in fact you do, that Zimmerman purposely signaled out Trayvon because he was black and only because he was black? I say to the people who accuse Zimmerman of cold blood racial murder, why in the world would he call 911? Why would he stay around after the shooting? Why would he not just shoot Trayvon right away?
Oh, I don't think Zimmerman is guilty of racially motivated murder.
I think Zimmerman is guilty of stupidity, which was probably racially motivated. I can't prove the latter, though.
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On June 29 2013 12:33 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 11:55 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 11:47 Esk23 wrote:On June 29 2013 11:40 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 11:34 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 10:33 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 10:11 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 08:04 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
Punk ass black kid with reputation for drugs, gold teeth, suspensions and physical assaults gets his brains blown out for assaulting the wrong guy and the world cries the race card. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
User was temp banned for this post. Zimmerman is probably not guilty of anything but being stupid and human — kind of like this poster. Zimmerman stalked and treated a teenager like a criminal because he was black, and tragedy and calamity ensued. But yeah, race had a lot to do with this situation even happening, which is why people are invested in it. + Show Spoiler + I find it hard to believe that a person with the intent of stalking another would call 911 to report suspicious activity. Stalkers don't normally call 911 while they are stalking. Didn't the 911 operator instruct George Zimmerman NOT to follow Trayvon? Maybe 'stalking' is the wrong word. But Zimmerman did something dumb. You can test this going out tonight, and silently follow a woman or black kid or anyone else for ten minutes on the street and see how they react. Obviously I think Zimmerman didn't deserve to get attacked for what he did, but ... yeah. I get it. I've been followed by creepy old dudes when I was a younger — and my natural reaction was to ball up my keys in my fist and get ready to fight. The 911 operator did not, and can not give direct orders. Maybe he was a bit over zealous in his intent to find out which way Trayvon Martin went, but just as you said even if he was directly following him that doesn't give Trayvon the ok to attack him. Zimmerman allegedly "followed" Trayvon Martin. We don't know for sure. Either Zimmerman did follow him (which there is no evidence to support this other than the witness testimony of Travyon's friend which is shakey at best) or Zimmerman got out of his car to get an address for police like he said he did when he was confronted and assaulted by Trayvon. And as to the operator intructors, the operator himself testified they can't and don't give orders because then they are liable as to what happens. So it's actually their policy to not give orders. He said he suggested Zimmerman that he didn't need to do that. To the 911 operator, yes that's why I said that, because of his testimony of saying they don't give orders. I personally believe Zimmerman was following Trayvon but he was not directly chasing him. In my mind he was moving around the area to get a better idea where he ran to. My own question I have is if Trayvon felt that this creepy ass cracker was a rapist or some type of threat, I wonder why he didn't continue to run and keep his distance, and get to his family members house. Zimmerman in multiple 911 calls stated he didn't want to give his home address because he didn't want the person he was calling on to hear it and know where he lived. It stands to reason Trayvon not knowing who was following him also didn't want to lead this guy to where he was going either. There aren't many options at that point you either run for how knows who long to ditch the person or you confront them in some regard. Leading them to your family is not an option.
Well his girlfriend said that he almost at his family members house, that indicates to me that logical option to chose would be to go to your family members house lock the door and call the police if he felt his life was in danger.
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On June 29 2013 10:33 Zenocide wrote:
The 911 operator did not, and can not give direct orders. Maybe he was a bit over zealous in his intent to find out which way Trayvon Martin went, but just as you said even if he was directly following him that doesn't give Trayvon the ok to attack him.
actually the operator did more or less tell him not to follow by saying "we don't need you to do that" in which Zimmerman responded by saying "okay"
Had he not left his car non of the following events would have transgressed.
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On June 29 2013 12:38 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 12:24 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 12:11 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 11:55 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 11:47 Esk23 wrote:On June 29 2013 11:40 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 11:34 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 10:33 Zenocide wrote:On June 29 2013 10:11 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2013 08:04 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
Punk ass black kid with reputation for drugs, gold teeth, suspensions and physical assaults gets his brains blown out for assaulting the wrong guy and the world cries the race card. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
User was temp banned for this post. Zimmerman is probably not guilty of anything but being stupid and human — kind of like this poster. Zimmerman stalked and treated a teenager like a criminal because he was black, and tragedy and calamity ensued. But yeah, race had a lot to do with this situation even happening, which is why people are invested in it. + Show Spoiler + I find it hard to believe that a person with the intent of stalking another would call 911 to report suspicious activity. Stalkers don't normally call 911 while they are stalking. Didn't the 911 operator instruct George Zimmerman NOT to follow Trayvon? Maybe 'stalking' is the wrong word. But Zimmerman did something dumb. You can test this going out tonight, and silently follow a woman or black kid or anyone else for ten minutes on the street and see how they react. Obviously I think Zimmerman didn't deserve to get attacked for what he did, but ... yeah. I get it. I've been followed by creepy old dudes when I was a younger — and my natural reaction was to ball up my keys in my fist and get ready to fight. The 911 operator did not, and can not give direct orders. Maybe he was a bit over zealous in his intent to find out which way Trayvon Martin went, but just as you said even if he was directly following him that doesn't give Trayvon the ok to attack him. Zimmerman allegedly "followed" Trayvon Martin. We don't know for sure. Either Zimmerman did follow him (which there is no evidence to support this other than the witness testimony of Travyon's friend which is shakey at best) or Zimmerman got out of his car to get an address for police like he said he did when he was confronted and assaulted by Trayvon. And as to the operator intructors, the operator himself testified they can't and don't give orders because then they are liable as to what happens. So it's actually their policy to not give orders. He said he suggested Zimmerman that he didn't need to do that. To the 911 operator, yes that's why I said that, because of his testimony of saying they don't give orders. I personally believe Zimmerman was following Trayvon but he was not directly chasing him. In my mind he was moving around the area to get a better idea where he ran to. My own question I have is if Trayvon felt that this creepy ass cracker was a rapist or some type of threat, I wonder why he didn't continue to run and keep his distance, and get to his family members house. I used to live in a bad neighborhood, and I remember a guy was following me in his car late at night. I was getting a bad vibe but I didn't know if I was being paranoid — like, maybe he just need directions. I stopped walking, and he rolled down his window and asked me if I wanted to get in. Grrrrrrroooooooooooossssss. In retrospect I should have got off the sidewalk and tried to lose him, but hey — he looked like Wilford Brimley? How dangerous can a creepy old white man be, right? I know you can't prove that race was a factor in Zimmerman's case, but who are we kidding? I'm honest enough with myself to admit if it was a young black man following me in his car, I probably would have ran and not stopped at all. Whats leads you to believe if in fact you do, that Zimmerman purposely signaled out Trayvon because he was black and only because he was black? I say to the people who accuse Zimmerman of cold blood racial murder, why in the world would he call 911? Why would he stay around after the shooting? Why would he not just shoot Trayvon right away? Oh, I don't think Zimmerman is guilty of racially motivated murder. I think Zimmerman is guilty of stupidity, which was probably racially motivated. I can't prove the latter, though.
since you cant prove it maybe you should stop spouting that it was race related. nobody cares about admittedly unsupported theories.
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