Shooting of Trayvon Martin - Page 199

On June 29 2013 06:36 Oleo wrote:
So they are trying to show he had some sort of heavy injury, yet he seems to only have some minor swelling and small lacerations, I am confused. Does he even have scars from these wounds? Did he need stitches? I feel like Ive personally have had worse head wounds on multiple occasions. I dont see the relation between these wounds and brain trauma.

On June 29 2013 06:36 Oleo wrote:
So they are trying to show he had some sort of heavy injury, yet he seems to only have some minor swelling and small lacerations, I am confused. Does he even have scars from these wounds? Did he need stitches? I feel like Ive personally have had worse head wounds on multiple occasions. I dont see the relation between these wounds and brain trauma.

The danger facing the defendant need not have been actual

On June 29 2013 06:29 Scootaloo wrote:

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On June 29 2013 06:42 Kaitlin wrote:


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On June 29 2013 06:44 Kaitlin wrote:
Medically speaking, what George did to stop the attack would have saved his life .... Fucking slam dunk.

On June 29 2013 06:45 SKC wrote:
I still think it is weird the prosecutor was able to focus so much on MMA.

On June 29 2013 06:47 dAPhREAk wrote:

well, his physical abilities are relevant to whether he actually feared for his safety. a MMA fighter and a short, obese man are going to have differing opinions on whether their life is in danger when in a fist fight.

On June 29 2013 06:52 Dosey wrote:

I find it interesting that Zimmerman's past as a practitioner of MMA is totally relevant while Martin's past as a... for lack of a better term, "thug", isn't.

On June 29 2013 06:52 xDaunt wrote:

Rachel Jeantel did a pretty good job getting that evidence in anyway.

On June 29 2013 06:58 FatChicksUnited wrote:
Zimmerman's participation in MMA training could help him, if anything. MMA fighters are taught both that fighting on your back is a ticket to quick defeat and that blows to the back of the head are extremely dangerous and can cause permanent damage quickly (these blows are banned in all professional MMA fights). If Zimmerman could show that he was taught these things it could go a long way towards showing his belief in having to act quickly to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself.

On June 29 2013 06:52 Dosey wrote:

I find it interesting that Zimmerman's past as a practitioner of MMA is totally relevant while Martin's past as a... for lack of a better term, "thug", isn't.

On June 29 2013 07:12 dAPhREAk wrote:

zimmerman's physical abilities are relevant because he is claiming he feared for his safety, and his physical abilities are relevant to that fear. trayvon's physical abilities are also relevant to that as well (i.e., if travyon was trained in MMA then it would likely be relevant).

trayvon's past bad acts and reputation are "relevant" but excluded as character evidence based on policy reasons. evidence of bad acts and reputation do not show that the victim (or even defendant) acted in conformity therewith at the relevant time, and tend to focus the jury's attention on whether the victim/defendant are a bad person generally instead of whether they were a bad person at the time that is relevant. as i have previously stated, if a bully is killed by a previous victim who lay in wait to kill him with considerable premediation, we dont want the jury letting off the previous victim because the bully is an asshole.

On June 29 2013 07:12 dAPhREAk wrote:

zimmerman's physical abilities are relevant because he is claiming he feared for his safety, and his physical abilities are relevant to that fear. trayvon's physical abilities are also relevant to that as well (i.e., if travyon was trained in MMA then it would likely be relevant).

trayvon's past bad acts and reputation are "relevant" but excluded as character evidence based on policy reasons. evidence of bad acts and reputation do not show that the victim (or even defendant) acted in conformity therewith at the relevant time, and tend to focus the jury's attention on whether the victim/defendant are a bad person generally instead of whether they were a bad person at the time that is relevant. as i have previously stated, if a bully is killed by a previous victim who lay in wait to kill him with considerable premediation, we dont want the jury letting off the previous victim because the bully is an asshole.

A neighbor of George Zimmerman who had perhaps the best view of the struggle between the neighborhood watch volunteer and Trayvon Martin testified at Zimmerman's murder trial Friday that it appeared the unarmed teen was straddling Zimmerman during their confrontation.

However, Jonathan Good said he did not see anyone's head being slammed into the concrete sidewalk, which Zimmerman has said Martin did to him. Good initially testified that it appeared "there were strikes being thrown, punches being thrown," but during detailed questioning he said he saw only "downward" arm movements being made.
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Jonathan Good, a neighbor who witnessed part of the confrontation between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin testifies during the 15th day of Zimmerman's trial in Seminole circuit court.

Zimmerman has claimed that he fatally shot 17-year-old Martin last year in self-defense as the Miami-area teen was banging his head into the concrete sidewalk behind the townhomes in a gated community.

But under prosecution questioning, Jonathan Good said he never saw anyone being attacked that way during the fight between Zimmerman and Martin.

"I couldn't see that," Good said moments later while being cross-examined.

Good, the second person to take the witness stand Friday, said he heard a noise behind his townhome in February 2012, and he saw what looked like a tussle when he stepped out onto his patio to see what was happening.

He said he yelled, "What's going on? Stop it."

Good testified he saw a person in black clothing on top of another person with "white or red" clothing. He said he couldn't see faces but it looked like the person on the bottom had lighter skin. Martin was black and was wearing a dark hoodie. Zimmerman identifies as Hispanic and was wearing a red jacket.

"It looked like there were strikes being thrown, punches being thrown," Good said.

Later, under cross-examination, he said that it looked like the person on top was straddling the person on bottom in a mixed-martial arts move known as "ground and pound." When defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked him if the person on top was Martin, Good said, "Correct, that's what it looked like."

Good also said the person on the bottom yelled for help.

During cross-examination, O'Mara got on his knees to recreate the fighting as he asked Good to walk him through it.

Good was in the middle of dialing 911 inside his townhome when he heard a gunshot, he said.

Zimmerman, 29, could get life in prison if convicted of second-degree murder. Zimmerman followed Martin in his truck and called a police dispatch number before he and the teen got into a fight.

Zimmerman has denied the confrontation had anything to do with race, as Martin's family and their supporters have claimed.

Before Good testified, a worker at a video surveillance company that maintains cameras at the townhome community took the witness stand. A prosecutor played two videos from surveillance cameras; one showed what looks like a person walking past a window at the complex's clubhouse, and another showed what looks like someone with a flashlight by the complex's mailboxes.

Greg McKinney said the digital clock on the video is off by 18 minutes, a point O'Mara hammered home by getting McKinney to concede the timing difference was inexact and could be more than 18 minutes.

Jurors already have been shown some of the state's biggest pieces of evidence, including the 911 call featuring cries for help prosecutors believe came from Martin.

On Thursday, a friend of Martin who had been on the phone with him when he was shot testified about what she heard during his confrontation with Zimmerman.