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This is a sensitive and complex issue, please do not make comments without first reading the facts, which are cataloged in the OP.

If you make an uninformed post, or one that isn't relevant to the discussion, you will be moderated. If in doubt, don't post.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
June 28 2013 21:11 GMT
#3941
Fair point. If something is obviously coming in though, which can become more apparent as you listen to what the judge likes and doesn't like, certain objections just draw unwanted attention to a fact.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 28 2013 21:12 GMT
#3942
potential outcome of head trauma - "bleeding into brain"
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 28 2013 21:12 GMT
#3943
If I am the defense right now, I'm locked and loaded to present all of the new literature and research on traumatic brain injuries and permanent cognitive impairment.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
June 28 2013 21:12 GMT
#3944
The defense and the witness are doing a good job showing how dangerous head wounds can be.
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-28 21:14:01
June 28 2013 21:13 GMT
#3945
On June 29 2013 06:09 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 06:06 On_Slaught wrote:
I really like what the defense attny is doing with this cross. Focusing on the fact she saw him a day later and that he looked much worse immediately after the fact. Considering he looked bad even the next day just hurts the prosecution more. Sad objection by the prosecution too. That's a "crap this is hurting my case" obj. The problem is if you do this too many times it makes it look like you are hiding things and it just draws attention to important facts if you lose the obj.

Well, in theory every objection is "crap that is hurting their case". The same way the defense objected to the full medical report being released. Hiding information is the job of both sides and the objecting would be far less important if it didn't harm their case.

It looks bad when everyone ends up knowing the information they are trying to hide.


Well the defense didn't want the full records released because the prosecution could have used it to play down the injuries or attack Zimmerman in some way. Much like they did by getting the doctor to say she prescribed the same exact thing for constipation, which people normally wouldn't associate with a traumatic injury.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
June 28 2013 21:20 GMT
#3946
I just had to get something to eat and so I tried to watch HLN as opposed to the internet stream. Miraculously that they are now taking commercials and not pausing the testimony, but this only occurring during defense cross-examination. In other words, viewers get 100% content of prosecution direct witness testimony and commercials during defense cross-examination without pausing the playback.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-28 21:25:24
June 28 2013 21:24 GMT
#3947
i didnt know about the sacroilliac injury (lower back). that is consistent with zimmerman falling on his back.

edit: medical expert also saying injuries are consistent with zimmerman's story. woh.
Masq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1792 Posts
June 28 2013 21:25 GMT
#3948
On June 29 2013 06:12 xDaunt wrote:
If I am the defense right now, I'm locked and loaded to present all of the new literature and research on traumatic brain injuries and permanent cognitive impairment.


whats the relevance of this in relation to the charge of murder?
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 28 2013 21:25 GMT
#3949
On June 29 2013 06:25 Masq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 06:12 xDaunt wrote:
If I am the defense right now, I'm locked and loaded to present all of the new literature and research on traumatic brain injuries and permanent cognitive impairment.


whats the relevance of this in relation to the charge of murder?

reasonable fear of great bodily harm/death.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-28 21:26:57
June 28 2013 21:25 GMT
#3950
On June 29 2013 06:24 dAPhREAk wrote:
i didnt know about the sacroilliac injury (lower back). that is consistent with zimmerman falling on his back.

an injury not likely to be sustained if he was the attacker (on top) during the assault, that's a pretty 'nice' injury for his defense.
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heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
June 28 2013 21:26 GMT
#3951
On June 29 2013 06:20 Kaitlin wrote:
I just had to get something to eat and so I tried to watch HLN as opposed to the internet stream. Miraculously that they are now taking commercials and not pausing the testimony, but this only occurring during defense cross-examination. In other words, viewers get 100% content of prosecution direct witness testimony and commercials during defense cross-examination without pausing the playback.

That's not true. They haven't paused either side today.
dude bro.
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
June 28 2013 21:27 GMT
#3952
On June 29 2013 06:20 Kaitlin wrote:
I just had to get something to eat and so I tried to watch HLN as opposed to the internet stream. Miraculously that they are now taking commercials and not pausing the testimony, but this only occurring during defense cross-examination. In other words, viewers get 100% content of prosecution direct witness testimony and commercials during defense cross-examination without pausing the playback.

Were you expecting the viewers to have a fair viewing of the case? I'm going to be honest here, after all the facebook backlash, the showing of trayvonn when he was a small child, and not the thug-I'll-fuck-you-up-if-you-come-within-5-feet-of-me-bro older pictures of him, the portrayal of Zimmerman as a racist when it was unsubstantiated by any evidence, and even more egregiously the smearing of Zimmerman as a person all point to the fact that the "news" is not out to produce a canny or relevant portrayal of this trial. HLN especially, I find, seems to only want to get a rise out of their audience; rarely do they present facts that are anywhere near pristine, most of what is said has been doctored up to force public opinion in one way or another depending on the audiences taste.

Outside of this, and more on topic, I keep missing the trial -_-. I need to see this.
User was warned for too many mimes.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
June 28 2013 21:27 GMT
#3953
On June 29 2013 06:25 Masq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 06:12 xDaunt wrote:
If I am the defense right now, I'm locked and loaded to present all of the new literature and research on traumatic brain injuries and permanent cognitive impairment.


whats the relevance of this in relation to the charge of murder?

Proving that the kind of injuries he suffered could have caused brain injuries means he was in fact under threat of great bodily harm, and self-defense would be possible.
Scootaloo
Profile Joined January 2012
655 Posts
June 28 2013 21:29 GMT
#3954
On June 29 2013 06:20 Kaitlin wrote:
I just had to get something to eat and so I tried to watch HLN as opposed to the internet stream. Miraculously that they are now taking commercials and not pausing the testimony, but this only occurring during defense cross-examination. In other words, viewers get 100% content of prosecution direct witness testimony and commercials during defense cross-examination without pausing the playback.

Get addblock, and disable it for sites you support.

So the prosecutor, incompetent, instructed to kill his own case or just a poor man dealing with an impossible case?
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-28 21:35:17
June 28 2013 21:35 GMT
#3955
Old Man at the computer: The trial
Oleo
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands283 Posts
June 28 2013 21:36 GMT
#3956
So they are trying to show he had some sort of heavy injury, yet he seems to only have some minor swelling and small lacerations, I am confused. Does he even have scars from these wounds? Did he need stitches? I feel like Ive personally have had worse head wounds on multiple occasions. I dont see the relation between these wounds and brain trauma.
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heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-28 21:37:08
June 28 2013 21:36 GMT
#3957
Oh look a break during prosecutor talking. >.> conspiracy! Conspiracy!
dude bro.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 28 2013 21:37 GMT
#3958
what a dumbass prosecutor:

"you are not saying its severe trauma"

"i wouldnt necessarily say that it is not" (paraphrasing)

never ask a question you dont know the answer to already.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
June 28 2013 21:37 GMT
#3959
On June 29 2013 06:36 Oleo wrote:
So they are trying to show he had some sort of heavy injury, yet he seems to only have some minor swelling and small lacerations, I am confused. Does he even have scars from these wounds? Did he need stitches? I feel like Ive personally have had worse head wounds on multiple occasions. I dont see the relation between these wounds and brain trauma.

He didn't need stitches, but you don't need more than what he suffered to have internal wounds.
Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-28 21:39:47
June 28 2013 21:39 GMT
#3960
On June 29 2013 06:36 Oleo wrote:
So they are trying to show he had some sort of heavy injury, yet he seems to only have some minor swelling and small lacerations, I am confused. Does he even have scars from these wounds? Did he need stitches? I feel like Ive personally have had worse head wounds on multiple occasions. I dont see the relation between these wounds and brain trauma.


They don't need to show he had a serious head injury, only that it was reasonable for him to fear he would get a serious head injury. Then they point out how awful a serious head injury is, and why fearing a serious head injury is justifiable grounds to shoot Trayvon.

EDIT: I'm not a lawyer, but this is the impression I'm getting. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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