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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 28 2013 19:50 GMT
#3901
Man. These witnesses today. Did the state not realize that it was setting itself up for a catastrophic day in trial? It at least should have tried to space the bad news out.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-28 19:52:12
June 28 2013 19:51 GMT
#3902
On June 29 2013 04:50 xDaunt wrote:
Man. These witnesses today. Did the state not realize that it was setting itself up for a catastrophic day in trial? It at least should have tried to space the bad news out.

Has there been a witness that brought good news?

Maybe the one that said she saw Zimmermann on top after the shot.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
June 28 2013 19:51 GMT
#3903
Re-direct just made me think, it's like the prosecution is trying to make a case that there is reasonable doubt that he should be convicted. Total burden of proof swap as to the weight of how the evidence is going so far. He's like, "but, but, you don't know that he didn't have malice at the time of the shooting, even though there was none when you observed him, right "? Amazing.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 28 2013 19:52 GMT
#3904
On June 29 2013 04:49 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 04:48 NEOtheONE wrote:
So much speculation related questioning. That's going to get sustained 9/10 times.

Well, he is also making his point. The jury knows that the police officer doesn't know GZ's state of mind during the shooting.

he was trying to unring the bell and show that the cop doesnt know what zimmerman was thinking. of course, that question, as well as the previous questions the cop actually answered (and an objection was sustained) are improper. cop doesnt know what zimmerman was thinking.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 28 2013 19:55 GMT
#3905
It's amazing how pleasant it is to listen to this woman than the prosecution's star witness lol.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
AllHailTheDead
Profile Joined July 2011
United States418 Posts
June 28 2013 20:19 GMT
#3906
so now whats going on?
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 28 2013 20:20 GMT
#3907
On June 29 2013 05:19 AllHailTheDead wrote:
so now whats going on?

fighting over admissibility of medical records (zimmerman's).
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-28 20:28:11
June 28 2013 20:24 GMT
#3908
I'm glad others have noticed Zimmerman's hot black legal aid now I don't feel like a scumbag for mentioning how hot she is.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
AllHailTheDead
Profile Joined July 2011
United States418 Posts
June 28 2013 20:24 GMT
#3909
On June 29 2013 05:20 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 05:19 AllHailTheDead wrote:
so now whats going on?

fighting over admissibility of medical records (zimmerman's).



interesting. Does the defense want to show them? Why aren't they admissible in the first place
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
June 28 2013 20:26 GMT
#3910
On June 29 2013 05:24 AllHailTheDead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 05:20 dAPhREAk wrote:
On June 29 2013 05:19 AllHailTheDead wrote:
so now whats going on?

fighting over admissibility of medical records (zimmerman's).



interesting. Does the defense want to show them? Why aren't they admissible in the first place

The state is the one that wants to show them I believe. The defense wants to limit it to just the parts regarding to Zimmermann's injuries or something.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
June 28 2013 20:28 GMT
#3911
Defense wants the records used to refresh memory and let witness testify. Prosecution wants the documents admitted. Defense wants more heavily redacted, if they are admitted, as they include things not relevant (read harmful to defense, I suppose).
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 28 2013 20:28 GMT
#3912
On June 29 2013 05:24 AllHailTheDead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 05:20 dAPhREAk wrote:
On June 29 2013 05:19 AllHailTheDead wrote:
so now whats going on?

fighting over admissibility of medical records (zimmerman's).



interesting. Does the defense want to show them? Why aren't they admissible in the first place

state wants to show them for who knows what reason. they are inadmissible as irrelevant and hearsay; likely some privacy objections as well since his prior medical history isnt relevant. honestly, the physicians' assistant should just testify as to his injuries and treatment, nothing else is required.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
June 28 2013 20:28 GMT
#3913
http://www.youtube.com/user/thecount/videos

Which one of these witnesses is the one that everyone is saying was amazing for defense and said Trayvon was going ground and pound on Zimmerman, who was yelling for help?
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-28 20:29:52
June 28 2013 20:29 GMT
#3914
On June 29 2013 05:28 On_Slaught wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/user/thecount/videos

Which one of these witnesses is the one that everyone is saying was amazing for defense and said Trayvon was going ground and pound on Zimmerman, who was yelling for help?

john good

On June 29 2013 01:23 LaughingTulkas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 01:19 PCloadletter wrote:
Jonathan Good, thanks, got it.


Legal insurrections has a defense attorney following the case and blogging, I've found it really insightful. Here's his take on teh testimony:

Here
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
June 28 2013 20:29 GMT
#3915
On June 29 2013 05:28 On_Slaught wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/user/thecount/videos

Which one of these witnesses is the one that everyone is saying was amazing for defense and said Trayvon was going ground and pound on Zimmerman, who was yelling for help?

The white dude with a white shirt and beard.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 28 2013 20:30 GMT
#3916
the witness is so freaking bored. lol.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
June 28 2013 20:37 GMT
#3917
So the purpose of this witness is not to talk about his injuries, but to say he took MMA classes.
Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
June 28 2013 20:41 GMT
#3918
watching it on and off on CNN. I think its hilarious they asked the physician about Zman's MMA practice because some witness said it looked like MMA.

As if that means anything:

1) Anyone throwing punches at a down person would "look like MMA"
2) how is this witness qualified to determine what is and isn't MMA?

Comedy gold right there.
Who called in the fleet?
AdamBanks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada996 Posts
June 28 2013 20:43 GMT
#3919
Hey phreak you know anything about the use of force in the states? im under the impression that in canada your not allowed to escalate the level of force? Like if im in a fist fight im not allowed to haul out a gun and blast someone because ive elevated the use of force? I dunno any law, so maybe im wrong, how does this work in the states? any ideas? o.o
I wrote a song once.
Felnarion
Profile Joined December 2011
442 Posts
June 28 2013 20:44 GMT
#3920
On June 29 2013 05:41 Millitron wrote:
watching it on and off on CNN. I think its hilarious they asked the physician about Zman's MMA practice because some witness said it looked like MMA.

As if that means anything:

1) Anyone throwing punches at a down person would "look like MMA"
2) how is this witness qualified to determine what is and isn't MMA?

Comedy gold right there.


The goal is to get Z's MMA practice associated with the "MMA style" of the blows being thrown.
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