The Affordable Healthcare Act in the U.S. Supreme Court -…

On March 27 2012 02:36 Warillions wrote:

u hit up google for some figures and now u think u know all the answers...

im not debating on the military's spending habbits. i spent 4 years in the military i seen my share of wasted funds. military also accounts for a lot of jobs for the people. many people don't have the chance to succeed in life and being able to join the military is a huge resource i would never want to cripple. and i bet there is a huge tax exemption, im gettin a few grand from my tax guy, when i prolly shouldnt be how any ppl live in america? yea it adds up. to suggest a tax rehaul is extreme. solving how taxes are filed and stopping government money gettin handed to ppl that dont work should have priority. your also have no way to justify that military spending WASNT justified. and apparently the rest of the work cant either... if your going to suggest anything, have something backing it. if u dont have anything to back it dont take offence when u get called out for some bogus u thought up. hows that bandwagon ride btw? like i said. theres many problems with out spending along with every other country. but what you suggested isnt justified at all....

On March 27 2012 02:53 meatbox wrote:
You are aware that the invasion of Iraq was for the sole purpose of stealing her natural resources? The Iraqi people were happy with Saddam, he built synagogues and churches, it was a secular country, the USA has screwed it up big time, total confirmed casualties +$29 million and instilling a new government that recently stoned to death 90 students for wearing western attire. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2112960/90-students-Iraq-stoned-death-having-Emo-hair-tight-clothes.html

But anyway keep telling yourself otherwise.

On March 27 2012 03:01 BluePanther wrote:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_uprisings_in_Iraq ?

Clearly, he was loved by all.... Just like every other middle eastern secular dictator. None of them would EVER fall without American intervention.... because the people just love the idea of dictators...

On March 27 2012 03:05 meatbox wrote:

Are you completely unaware of America's agenda? Do you think they killed Saddam to free the people?

(Don't dodge the question, again)

On March 27 2012 03:10 BluePanther wrote:



The answer to both of those question is obviously no. And the idea that America went to Iraq for natural resources is equally stupid. As is the idea that Iraqi's LOVED Saddam.

On March 27 2012 03:13 meatbox wrote:

Oh my...

Back on topic, you cannot simply criticise without offering an alternative, that would be anti-progressive.

On March 23 2012 23:29 Voltaire wrote:
I don't approve of Obamacare. Most of the money that goes into it ends up going to insurance companies. The US needs a real universal healthcare system. The way it is right now, billions of taxpayer dollars are going straight into the pockets of the insurance industry. That's why the US spends more money per person on healthcare than any other country but still has significantly inferior care. A baby born in Cuba last year was more likely to survive childbirth than a baby born in the US.

On March 27 2012 04:23 Candadar wrote:
I am rather uneducated on this, but from what I've read all this law does is make it so that healthcare companies can't deny you for pre-existing conditions, can't limit the amount of money they give you for treatment, and that's about it...

How is any of this socialism or bad in any way, and why does it require supreme court?

On March 27 2012 04:41 liberal wrote:

Perhaps you should extend your reading on this law to include the OP of the thread you are actually posting in.

On March 27 2012 04:58 Candadar wrote:


I did.

I'm probably an idiot and missed everything though.

EDIT: Yep, I am. Pardon.

On March 27 2012 02:21 MethodSC wrote:
How does one approve of Obamacare and at the same time think that it's unconstitutional? This baffles me(based off the polls on the 1st page)

How does one approve of Obamacare and at the same time think that it's unconstitutional? This baffles me(based off the polls on the 1st page)

On March 23 2012 14:16 Kuja wrote:
The healthcare system is so broken; I for one am not in favor of obama-care. If people are important to society they will be able to pay their medical bills. If they're not i don't want to pay them for them. Seems to be moving closer to socialism everyday. Away from democracy.

Rather than billing insurers, Exceptional Health Care charges patients a monthly fee between $39 to $79, depending on their age, plus $20 for each office visit. Primary-care services range from treatment of minor sprains to management of chronic conditions. Advocates say such clinics, known as "retained medical practices," will help thousands of people without health insurance.

They say the practices save money by eliminating layers of insurance billing and reimbursement, and enabling primary-care providers to spend more time with patients on preventative care.

Dr. Steven Butdorf, 56, opened Exceptional Health Care because he said he was fed up with interference from third parties, such as insurers, government health plans and pharmacy benefit managers. "Every visit with every patient we ended up talking about what it would cost and how we would get it paid for," he told the Register-Guard.

With the new payment model, the patient and doctor decide whether treatment is medically necessary, patients aren't denied care because of pre-existing conditions, and a patient can be seen for more than one problem at a visit, Butdorf said.

Butdorf said he has seen a drop in costs related to billing and collecting from health plans in the past two months. At the moment, the practice is losing money, but Butdorf said he expected that to happen during the startup phase.

On March 23 2012 18:54 xavra41 wrote:

I did and it is pro-socialism. Like most socialists he completely disregards reality. 'If you just had public education on prevention everything would be perfect'. This is simply not true. Let's take weight loss, for example, as most people know that being obese causes health problems and having a healthy diet will prevent disease. Everybody knows this but obesity is on the rise. Secondly corruption and government are inseparable which is why capitalism is awesome, so if the government advertises it can fix everything. When we had the swine flu the government advertised everyone to get a vaccine. Not only did nthey not have enough flu shots they were also wrong about the dangers. And, as it turns out, the vaccine has some nasty side effects.

On March 27 2012 08:25 ShcShc wrote:
LOL.

Obamacare IS the GOP Alternative to Universal Health Care.
If Obamacare is declared unconstitutional, then there's no other plan than Universal Health Care system.

On March 28 2012 01:49 liberal wrote:
There are 4 leftist justices on the court, and all four of them are highly expected to vote in favor of the health care mandate.

All it takes is a single other justice to swing in their favor for the law to be approved.

The justice who was considered most likely to swing, Justice Kennedy, has made statements suggesting he will oppose the law. Here's probably the most telling quote:

"This law changes the relationship of the government to the individual in a fundamental way." -Justice Kennedy

Justice Alito is hammering the government's lawyers, asking if people can be required to buy broccoli, or a cell phone.

Justice Breyer is arguing that the federal government was in fact given the authority to "create commerce."

Chief Justice John Roberts argued that if the court says Congress can regulate anything people buy just because of how they pay for it, “all bets are off.”
Today it is health insurance, he said, and then “something else in the next case.”
“Once we accept the principle, I don’t see why Congress’s power is limited,” Roberts said.

“The individual mandate is in trouble—significant trouble. The conservatives all express skepticism, some significant. There is no fifth vote yet for the mandate.” -Tom Goldstein, supreme court litigator