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Nouar
France3270 Posts
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Koorb
France266 Posts
On May 04 2012 03:06 Biff The Understudy wrote: Maybe after all he doesn't only care about his own career. Or maybe he does but I don't see his interest to do that: he cuts the bridges with a big big part of his political family. His interest in Hollande's victory is the same as Marine Le Pen's: having Sarkozy as president is currently the only thing that cements together the various political trends within the Union for a Popular Movement. Without that, the Centrists and the Gaullists would never be able to live with the far-right wing of the party (the "Droite Populaire" with the likes of Éric Ciotti and Lionnel Luca, or Gérard Longuet). Bayrou's and Le Pen's bet is that if Hollande wins the election, the Union for a Popular Movement will either be weakened by internal struggle or even explode in several parties after the Legislative Elections. In both cases, Bayrou would be in pole position to gather the Centrists (to recover all the people he lost when he founded the MoDem) and even maybe a piece of the traditionnal Gaullists, hence becoming a major player for 2017. Le Pen plans to do the same with the far-right currents. However, if Sarkozy wins the election, he will regroup the Union for a Popular Movement, and Bayrou would be all alone again in 2017. So basically, even if saying that he'll vote for Hollande may take some of his voters by surprise, it really is his only option, because he has everything to win with Hollande as the next president, and everything to lose with Sarkozy. EDIT: Ruth Elkrief of BFM TV has been insulted and spit at by Sarkozy's supporters tonight. It's the second time this week that a journalist is attacked by Sarkozy's supporters. Source: LeFigaro.fr. | ||
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Geiko
France1939 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7913 Posts
On May 04 2012 03:49 Geiko wrote: Disappointing by Bayrou... Selling out France's future for personal political gain. Bayrou is closer to Hollande than Sarkozy on every level. He is a humanist, Sarkozy is flirting hardcore with far right He is a liberal with a very strong sense of social justice, Sarkozy is a right wing liberal favoring the wealthy He is an old fashion respectful and very calm person with a strong sense of dignity, Sarkozy acts like an uneducated kid etc etc etc I'm surprised though because the bet seems quite bold. i was sure he would cut his own hand rather than supportaing Sarkozy, but I would have thought he wouldn't have the balls to vote for the left. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
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Heweree
United Kingdom497 Posts
On May 02 2012 21:31 Geiko wrote: Mme Royale was called the "zapatera" by spanish observers because of her ideas similar to those of Zapatero. And look where those ideas brought Spain... I think that's where darkshad is going with his post. It's Aubry who was called the "zapatera", don't remember about Royal. EDIT: My bad. | ||
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Geiko
France1939 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:10 Biff The Understudy wrote: Bayrou is closer to Hollande than Sarkozy on every level. He is a humanist, Sarkozy is flirting hardcore with far right He is a liberal with a very strong sense of social justice, Sarkozy is a right wing liberal favoring the wealthy He is an old fashion respectful and very calm person with a strong sense of dignity, Sarkozy acts like an uneducated kid etc etc etc I'm surprised though because the bet seems quite bold. i was sure he would cut his own hand rather than supportaing Sarkozy, but I would have thought he wouldn't have the balls to vote for the left. "Les rats quittent le navire". Choosing the winning side and hoping to pick up the pieces behind Sarkozy. Politique politicienne at its best. | ||
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Heweree
United Kingdom497 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:10 Biff The Understudy wrote: Bayrou is closer to Hollande than Sarkozy on every level. He is a humanist, Sarkozy is flirting hardcore with far right He is a liberal with a very strong sense of social justice, Sarkozy is a right wing liberal favoring the wealthy He is an old fashion respectful and very calm person with a strong sense of dignity, Sarkozy acts like an uneducated kid etc etc etc I'm surprised though because the bet seems quite bold. i was sure he would cut his own hand rather than supportaing Sarkozy, but I would have thought he wouldn't have the balls to vote for the left. You really think Hollande won't favor the rich? Seriously look at his background. Look at his interview with the Guardian (if I recall correctly). Hollande won't do shit. Maybe offer ipad to all the students, while France is in debt. (yeah Correze analogy). | ||
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Geiko
France1939 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:13 Heweree wrote: It's Aubry who was called the "zapatera", don't remember about Royal. No it's not. Sarkozy said the same thing as you last night during the débat and Ferrari corrected him (only time I heard her open her mouth to be honest). | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7913 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:10 Kukaracha wrote: His own ideals also go against Sarkozy's far-right turn. Bayrou is still being true to himself. As a catholic and a republican, he can't codone the UMP's last declarations. It's fun that the strategy of Patrick Buisson, counsellor of Sarkozy, ex-Maurassian far right winger, namely, to do the same than Le Pen to get his/her votes was the reason of his success in 2007 and the reason of his utter failure in 2012. It will hurt him in history books. Sarkozy will stay as the president who blew up the bareer that were separated the right from the fascists since 1945. That's a heavy responsibility. La défaite, et le déshoneur, as someone said. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:14 Geiko wrote: "Les rats quittent le navire". Chosing the winning side and hoping to pick up the pieces behind Sarkozy. Politique politicienne at its best. It goes hand in hand with Bayrou's ideals, so really, what's the problem? He sticks to his values and choses the winning side. I don't see his misstep. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7913 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:15 Heweree wrote: You really think Hollande won't favor the rich? Seriously look at his background. Look at his interview with the Guardian (if I recall correctly). Hollande won't do shit. Maybe offer ipad to all the students, while France is in debt. (yeah Correze analogy). Have you read his program?? | ||
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Geiko
France1939 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:16 Kukaracha wrote: It goes hand in hand with Bayrou's ideals, so really, what's the problem? He sticks to his values and choses the winning side. I don't see his misstep. Except it doesn't. He wanted "rigueur" he'll get "relance". He wanted la règle d'or etc... Bayrou's economic project is completely the opposite of Hollande's. | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On May 04 2012 03:49 Geiko wrote: Disappointing by Bayrou... Selling out France's future for personal political gain. One day you will have to understand how Sarkozy's way of doing things is alienating him everybody and *why*... the things he's done, the things he's said, taking people for idiots, etc... we had two pretty big examples even yesterday. as for your last answer, economy is but a part of a whole, and the rest is 0% compatible with Bayrou's ideals. He DID say he would stay in the opposition to counter the bad parts of Hollande's economic program. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:19 Geiko wrote: Except it doesn't. He wanted "rigueur" he'll get "relance". He wanted la règle d'or etc... Bayrou's economic project is completely the opposite of Hollande's. True, they don't agree on this point although Hollande has already spoken of concessions. However, the rest... human dignity is an important thing for catholics, too. | ||
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Geiko
France1939 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:15 Biff The Understudy wrote: It's fun that the strategy of Patrick Buisson, counsellor of Sarkozy, ex-Maurassian far right winger, namely, to do the same than Le Pen to get his/her votes was the reason of his success in 2007 and the reason of his utter failure in 2012. It will hurt him in history books. Sarkozy will stay as the president who blew up the bareer that were separated the right from the fascists since 1945. That's a heavy responsibility. La défaite, et le déshoneur, as someone said. Don't kid yourself Biff. If we were to listen to the medias, Sarkozy has been taking a far-right turn since 2002. Wonder how he hasn't reached the far left right now. The past 5 years have been a succession of lies about Sarkozy's action as president, making him out to be the worse president of the 5th republic when he in fact has a bilan that is far from being bad. History knows to be objective, Napoleon III was remembered as a awful leader for France due to Hugo's hatred for him. 100 years later he is now remember as one of the good leaders our country has had. | ||
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Heweree
United Kingdom497 Posts
I have, please tell me about les "mesures" of Hollande. The 75% thingy is bullshit btw. | ||
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Heweree
United Kingdom497 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:22 Kukaracha wrote: True, they don't agree on this point although Hollande has already spoken of concessions. However, the rest... human dignity is an important thing for catholics, too. Everyone will say he is for "human dignity", everyone will state himself as an "humanist". These words have lost their meaning. I voted Bayrou btw. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:23 Geiko wrote: Don't kid yourself Biff. If we were to listen to the medias, Sarkozy has been taking a far-right turn since 2002. Wonder how he hasn't reached the far left right now. The past 5 years have been a succession of lies about Sarkozy's action as president, making him out to be the worse president of the 5th republic when he in fact has a bilan that is far from being bad. History knows to be objective, Napoleon III was remembered as a awful leader for France due to Hugo's hatred for him. 100 years later he is now remember as one of the good leaders our country has had. Yes, the good leader of France's troops to Sedan, amrite? Also, of course, the media is against Sarkozy, especially since Lagardère and Dassault were his friends, I mean, oh, wait.. The fact that he was able to threaten members of the crew on television sets also means that all channels clearly were against him. ... | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:26 Heweree wrote: Everyone will say he is for "human dignity", everyone will state himself as an "humanist". These words have lost their meaning. I voted Bayrou btw. Sarkozy can but it would be a lie.  Marine too would be lying, since the reduction of immigration to 10 000 per year is undoable without violence. | ||
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