2012 French Presidential Election - Page 35

On May 02 2012 20:26 Geiko wrote:


Don't you think "on va leur faire les poches" is a rather aggressive statement that can only generate hatred and violence ?

Btw you didn't address the second part of my post.

On May 02 2012 20:27 Nyarly wrote:
http://twitpic.com/9cy4bs :D
Explanation : http://www.pcinpact.com/news/70596-466-tweets-excuses-cope-nkm.htm

Also : http://www.rue89.com/rue89-presidentielle/2012/05/01/le-beau-et-le-laid-lecole-le-retour-du-sarkozy-anti-mai-68-231753

We used to mock americans when they elected George W Bush twice. Don't make the same mistake please.

On May 02 2012 20:32 Geiko wrote:


So you think that the french justice system made a mistake here ? What is the point of this post ?

On May 02 2012 20:31 Biff The Understudy wrote:

Well, that's not the problem.

Between

-"On va leur faire les poches", meaning we need to tax lot more ultra rich people (just that you know, the average difference between top and lowest salaries in society of the CAC 40 has been multplied by 20 in thirty years) in a meeting, and

-"Melenchon says that when you see a rich you have to "lui faire les poches"", meaning physically attack the rich and rob them,

there is a big difference.

So either you didn't listen to JLM and you repeated what Sarkozy says, and you just get manipulated like an idiot.

Either you know that you are completely transforming a militant statement and you are being blatantly dishonest.

Don't change the subject, I am talking about this precise sentence that you said.

On May 02 2012 19:52 VyingsP wrote:


There is nothing wrong with the communist ideology whereas everything is wrong with the nazism ideology.

To answer your question, FdG is far left, but certainly not ultra. They are reformists, unlike NPA or LO who are revolutionnary parties.

On May 02 2012 20:36 Nyarly wrote:

No, i think it was funny, why so serious ?

The point of the post was really this : http://www.rue89.com/rue89-presidentielle/2012/05/01/le-beau-et-le-laid-lecole-le-retour-du-sarkozy-anti-mai-68-231753
Did you missed it ? It was just after the funny part

On May 02 2012 20:42 Geiko wrote:


So what's funny ? Unless you think "beau" and "laid" only refer to physical attributes in French, I don't see the "humour". But please, do explain

http://twitpic.com/9cy4bs :D
Explanation : http://www.pcinpact.com/news/70596-466-tweets-excuses-cope-nkm.htm

Also : http://www.rue89.com/rue89-presidentielle/2012/05/01/le-beau-et-le-laid-lecole-le-retour-du-sarkozy-anti-mai-68-

On May 02 2012 20:44 Nyarly wrote:

Okey you clearly misunderstood me.
I find THIS funny :


This is just sad and wrong :

On May 02 2012 20:38 Geiko wrote:


It's a problem when you guys are telling me that left vs right is a battle of love vs hate (sic).

Please don't resort to insults such as "idiot", I'm not trying to be aggressive, lets keep this civil

"on va leur faire les poches" literally means in French: "we are going to rob them". The use of that sentence is not innocent by JLM and he knows very well this will exacerbate the Anti-Rich sentiment that he is basing his campaign on. Because believe or not, in France, making money is something you should be ashamed of.

And btw, you still didn't address the second part of my previous post.

On May 02 2012 20:38 Geiko wrote:


It's a problem when you guys are telling me that left vs right is a battle of love vs hate (sic).

Please don't resort to insults such as "idiot", I'm not trying to be aggressive, lets keep this civil

"on va leur faire les poches" literally means in French: "we are going to rob them". The use of that sentence is not innocent by JLM and he knows very well this will exacerbate the Anti-Rich sentiment that he is basing his campaign on. Because believe or not, in France, making money is something you should be ashamed of.

And btw, you still didn't address the second part of my previous post.

On May 02 2012 20:58 Acertos wrote:
Mélenchon est plutôt con, il sait juste comment parler... Il fait des discours compliqués avec beaucoup de références à la littérature mais aussi un ton révolutionnaire. Alors les gens croient tout ce qu'il dit alors qu'en réalité c'est du grand n'importe quoi, smic à 1700 euros, on remet tout le service publique en place en engageant plein de gens, on refait la pluspart des traités européens.... Non Mélanchon est un peu dans le style de Marine, des beaux discours mais des idées à la con.

On May 02 2012 21:06 Biff The Understudy wrote:

I would have never said anything about love and hate, although the FN is a hate party.

I repeat what I said: you are either unable to understand a metaphor or you are being manipulative with what JLM said. Because see, I am pretty sure that nobody even understood that you have to rob anybody according to Melenchon. And you know it perfectly.

There is no shame to make money? Oh yeah, right. There is a national shame, though, that some people working hard don't earn enough to live half decently while their boss have absolutely obscene salaries.

Again. The ratio between minimal wage and the average income of a CAC 40 CEO was one for 20 thirty years ago. Now it's one for 400. So there is no shame to make money, but there is a little problem with a society that becomes inequalitarian at an exponetial speed.

I don't give a damn about Doc Gyneco. If he manages to be coherent between being a rapper and a wanabee rebel and supporting the most conservative, anti-immigrants, and rich oriented president we ever had, that probably means that I shouldn't care about him anyway. So see, that's what I do.

On May 02 2012 20:38 Wegandi wrote:


Just so we are clear, Communism has killed more people than Fascism has, but yet, nothing wrong with say Khmer Rouge, Stalinism, Leninism, Maoism, most African countries, North Korea, etc.

On May 02 2012 20:51 darkshad30000 wrote:



I agree with you so much Geiko. In france, it's a shame to be rich. In france when you support Sarkozy you are a selfish, and when you support Hollande, you are generous!
I ask Melenchon's fan, why there isn't some Steve Jobs or Bill Gates in France? They are earning millions of dollars but how many jobs did they create? You think it's a shame they earn so much money?
Fortunetaly that there are rich people in France! I don't understand how people can be so agressive against rich! Most of the time they deserve their money

On May 02 2012 21:11 Faya wrote:
I'm so sick of this country where it used to be a land of debate, since sarko is prime minister, debates became schoolyard fight, with the same intellectual level as kids. I'm so sick of the right wing in France, left isn't 'love' and right isn't 'hate', it is just : left= concerned for most of the population, right=concerned for myself (and maybe my family).
This makes any debates sterile as fuck, results of the election will just show if the people of France is just shitty or if they show a little faith in humanity, somehow.
And finally, I am sick of my people of France, hating for 5 years the way of managing the country by Sarkozy by 75%, realising every now and then how the president is implicated in many dark affairs, increasing the debt of France by 2/3 to gifts to the richest etc,
AND NOW WHAT ? The second turn shows 53%/47% in the latest poll ? what made you change your point of view ? Or maybe one fourth of the french people is just like rats, running away when everything goes wrong and showing up from nowhere when horizons look better. You guys are the reason why americans and the rest of the world are making fun of us, as fleeing chickens, and if you're making sarkozy win again, after what he has done, you're just making them right.

I keep hope, sarkozy isn't on his way to win, and i'm already happy for the next 5 years, knowing that right-wing supporters will hide and have to lie, as they do all the time, to protect themselves and their money...