EPTOn March 03 2012 12:19 Moonster wrote:
Subsidize my video games, internet, and alcohol, that's preventing babies too.
Subsidize my video games, internet, and alcohol, that's preventing babies too.
awesome. WoW, the no. 1 contraceptive in the world.
The Contraception Coverage Debate in the U.S. - Page 12
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
awesome. WoW, the no. 1 contraceptive in the world. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On March 03 2012 05:14 Fealthas wrote: I don't think a child should be killed because a woman can't keep her pants on. I hope that abortion gets some serious regulations. Employers should be able to deny because its their company, you don't have to work there. User was warned for this post lollll wtf seriously in 2012 u write stuff like that? There shouldnt be any debate about abortion or birth control. its all said and done already. she does what she wants with it. she has the right to take a medecine that prevents cum from turning into babies. You cant do shit about that. Thats what I like in fact. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
Looks like he lost a lot of advertisers over this one. Sleep Train, Sleep Number, Legal Zoom, Citrix, Quicken Loans, and the Cleveland Cavs all pulled ads from his show. 6 companies and possibly more, sort of a big deal. | ||
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UmiNotsuki
United States633 Posts
On March 03 2012 13:02 OuchyDathurts wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/02/rush-limbaugh-sleep-train-sandra-fluke-slut_n_1315900.html Looks like he lost a lot of advertisers over this one. Sleep Train, Sleep Number, Legal Zoom, Citrix, Quicken Loans, and the Cleveland Cavs all pulled ads from his show. 6 companies and possibly more, sort of a big deal. Nice, that's what I like to see, you say something stupid and unwarranted, you don't get payed. Level of faith in capitalist system: rising. | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On March 03 2012 05:14 Fealthas wrote: I don't think a child should be killed because a woman can't keep her pants on. I hope that abortion gets some serious regulations. Employers should be able to deny because its their company, you don't have to work there. User was warned for this post Dunno if you're living in the twenty first century or not, but it's actually not a child, in case you didn't know I thought I'd give you a pinch of knowledge. Oh, and also it's a male and female that have to have sex for conception, so maybe the man can keep his pants on too? Or wait, you forgot about those things called equal rights. | ||
sparC
Germany162 Posts
On March 03 2012 05:24 Yergidy wrote: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" Basically they are trying to force religious entities the right to exercise freely by imposing it's idea of what is wrong and right on them. what? that means i can hurt other people because my <insert random violant religious belief> justifys it? there are really only two ways you can look at it, either you understand it, or not. would be sad if it would be the latter but it certainly looks like it. | ||
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stokes17
United States1411 Posts
On March 03 2012 13:02 OuchyDathurts wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/02/rush-limbaugh-sleep-train-sandra-fluke-slut_n_1315900.html Looks like he lost a lot of advertisers over this one. Sleep Train, Sleep Number, Legal Zoom, Citrix, Quicken Loans, and the Cleveland Cavs all pulled ads from his show. 6 companies and possibly more, sort of a big deal. Had no idea sleep train was such a power player lol But seriously; that's great to see, Rush is an absolutely disgusting hypocritical sensationalist ass... people like him, regardless of political agenda, are what's wrong with this country. | ||
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cydial
United States750 Posts
If a potential father doesn't want the baby but the mom does? Too bad son you're paying child support whether you want to or not. | ||
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cydial
United States750 Posts
On March 03 2012 05:28 mastergriggy wrote: I don't get why Republicans are so against birth control...less children in poorer areas = less welfare needed = less government intervention needed. But this wouldn't be the first time Republicans have done something this ridiculous. Edit: As someone else earlier pointed out, birth control really isn't all about sex. One of the girls I used to date had periods that would black her out. BC really helped her with that. Of course people Republicans are against abortion, how else are those unwanted children going to grow up to vote Republican? | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On March 03 2012 11:30 RageBot wrote: But why should the employer pay, anyway? If a woman uses contraceptives just so that she can have fun with her boyfriend or whatever, it seems fair for me to get free video games, so that I have fun. First, women don't just use contraceptives so they can have fun with their boyfriends. Second, those same employers who argue against contraceptives for moral reasons have no moral problem with being required to provide viagra in the insurance policy, it's hypocritical, and sexist. | ||
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Trazati
52 Posts
On March 03 2012 05:14 Fealthas wrote: I don't think a child should be killed because a woman can't keep her pants on. I hope that abortion gets some serious regulations. Employers should be able to deny because its their company, you don't have to work there. User was warned for this post I cant BELIEVE this user was warned for this post. That is a legitamite point and argument. Sorry that some people see this in black and white and care about an unborn child who is defensless to a mother who wants to kill them. Think if your mom or dad were aborted....YOU WOULDNT EXIST. Every child is special and unique and will do special and unique things throughout their lives, who is to say NO YOU CANT LIVE BECAUSE IM IRRESONSIBLE. Anyone who defends abortion is very blind to the facts. Women get the right to choose but what choice does that leave the baby that WILL become a child and someday an adult with kids and grandkids of their own? Somtimes this world makes me sick. | ||
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UmiNotsuki
United States633 Posts
On March 03 2012 13:48 Trazati wrote: I cant BELIEVE this user was warned for this post. That is a legitamite point and argument. Sorry that some people see this in black and white and care about an unborn child who is defensless to a mother who wants to kill them. Think if your mom or dad were aborted....YOU WOULDNT EXIST. Every child is special and unique and will do special and unique things throughout their lives, who is to say NO YOU CANT LIVE BECAUSE IM IRRESONSIBLE. Anyone who defends abortion is very blind to the facts. Women get the right to choose but what choice does that leave the baby that WILL become a child and someday an adult with kids and grandkids of their own? Somtimes this world makes me sick. People like you make ME sick -.- If you wanna talk about "looking at the facts," take note of the fact that if your mom and dad had had sex even a few seconds later or at a different angle or had different diets at any point in their lives when they were conceiving you... well, I think we can look to you for the answer to this: On March 03 2012 13:48 Trazati wrote: YOU WOULDNT EXIST So, potential babies cannot be people because otherwise you'd be "murdering" unfathomable numbers of people every time you did anything at all. Also, while we're considering facts, take note that even conceived fetuses are not people any more than pigs or dolphins or, for fuck's sake, amoebas or even viruses. They have no brain function, no humanity. They are leeching, parasitic, greedy chunks of biomass that want nothing more than to murder their host by starving her of nutrients, and taking them all for itself. I'm not making this up. This is developmental biology. Learn it. | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6591 Posts
On March 03 2012 13:15 NeMeSiS3 wrote: Dunno if you're living in the twenty first century or not, but it's actually not a child, in case you didn't know I thought I'd give you a pinch of knowledge. Oh, and also it's a male and female that have to have sex for conception, so maybe the man can keep his pants on too? Or wait, you forgot about those things called equal rights. Speaking of equal rights... this law is sexist -.- I don't want to have to pay for condoms... where is my equality damnit! | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
You can believe whatever you want, that doesn't make it a valid in any way shape or form. ALL it does is make it YOUR (no one elses) belief. It's a pile of cells, plain and simple. | ||
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Trazati
52 Posts
On March 03 2012 13:53 UmiNotsuki wrote: People like you make ME sick -.- If you wanna talk about "looking at the facts," take note of the fact that if your mom and dad had had sex even a few seconds later or at a different angle or had different diets at any point in their lives when they were conceiving you... well, I think we can look to you for the answer to this: So, potential babies cannot be people because otherwise you'd be "murdering" unfathomable numbers of people every time you did anything at all. Also, while we're considering facts, take note that even conceived fetuses are not people any more than pigs or dolphins or, for fuck's sake, amoebas or even viruses. They have no brain function, no humanity. They are leeching, parasitic, greedy chunks of biomass that want nothing more than to murder their host by starving her of nutrients, and taking them all for itself. I'm not making this up. This is developmental biology. Learn it. First of all not having a kid is not killing a kid....My main argument I bring up when talking about abortion is that a fetus WILL become a human being, unless it is stopped. MUST STOP EVIL FETUS FROM LEECHING MY NUTRIENTS LIKE A TAPEWORM. Where are peoples morals ffs. | ||
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BreakfastTea
United States184 Posts
On March 03 2012 13:28 cydial wrote: I'm fine with abortion, but sometimes the Dad wants to keep the child and he can't do shit about it if the woman wants to get an abortion. If a potential father doesn't want the baby but the mom does? Too bad son you're paying child support whether you want to or not. Maybe because, for a woman, being pregnant is a life altering, body altering, and possibly life threatening condition? Not saying your spin doesn't suck for the guy, but really, look at this from the woman's perspective and its very hard to be too sympathetic to that viewpoint. | ||
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UmiNotsuki
United States633 Posts
On March 03 2012 14:02 Trazati wrote: First of all not having a kid is not killing a kid....My main argument I bring up when talking about abortion is that a fetus WILL become a human being, unless it is stopped. MUST STOP EVIL FETUS FROM LEECHING MY NUTRIENTS LIKE A TAPEWORM. Where are peoples morals ffs. If you went and raped some random girl right now and she got pregnant, that WOULD BECOME A HUMAN BEING if she couldn't get an abortion. According to you, it's immoral of you NOT to go spend literally all of your time impregnating anyone and everyone just because if you don't, you're taking away the possibility of another human being. I realize that you're saying that once it's started it should be immoral to stop it, but again, it's ABSURD to define a human as "something that will be a human being." A fetus is not conscious. It has no rights. It is not a person. Any claim to its humanity must be based in the fantastic or mystical and thus has no place is scientific or rational argument. P.S. Next time you start an argument with "first of all," please have a "second of all" to follow it up, so you don't sound like a blubbering idiot rolling his face on his keyboard. That's serious advice, making sense aides your credibility. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 03 2012 13:48 Trazati wrote: I cant BELIEVE this user was warned for this post. That is a legitamite point and argument. Sorry that some people see this in black and white and care about an unborn child who is defensless to a mother who wants to kill them. Think if your mom or dad were aborted....YOU WOULDNT EXIST. Every child is special and unique and will do special and unique things throughout their lives, who is to say NO YOU CANT LIVE BECAUSE IM IRRESONSIBLE. Anyone who defends abortion is very blind to the facts. Women get the right to choose but what choice does that leave the baby that WILL become a child and someday an adult with kids and grandkids of their own? Somtimes this world makes me sick. Are you anti-war and anti-death penalty? Because I assure you, there's a bunch or innocent and not-so innocent people with actual names and faces that get murdered all over the world in the name of freedom and justice that you probably don't give two shits about. They all have more in common with you and other humans than a three week-old fetus. Anti-abortion advocates rely primarily on 'moral authority' for their argument. Well that argument kind of sucks. | ||
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EternaLLegacy
United States410 Posts
On March 03 2012 14:13 Defacer wrote: Are you anti-war and anti-death penalty? Because I assure you, there's a bunch or innocent and not-so innocent people with actual names and faces that get murdered all over the world in the name of freedom and justice that you probably don't give two shits about. They all have more in common with you and other humans than a three week-old fetus. Anti-abortion advocates rely primarily on 'moral authority' for their argument. Well that argument kind of sucks. I am. However, the government should have absolutely no say in anything related to employee benefits, except by enforcing the terms of the employment contract. Employers should be free to not provide any health benefits, and certainly should be free to provide any kind of health benefit they want. Birth control is not something insurance should even be covering anyway. Insurance is for risk protection, not for everyday medications. Our health care system is so perverted by subsidies, government regulation, corporatism, and medical licensing that nobody can even pinpoint the source of the problem. Get government out of healthcare and this isn't even an issue. People will get what they want to get and the market will provide choices. I don't understand why people can't view healthcare like any other necessary but market-provided service, like shoes. Everyone needs shoes, but we have a free market in those! As for being anti-abortion, it doesn't mean you are anti-woman. I still believe that the government has no right to interfere with abortions up to viability. I think that it is the moral duty of the mother to consider the life of her child. It is also perfectly okay for any doctor to refuse to provide any service he feels is morally questionable. It is even okay for any insurer to choose to cover or not to cover any procedure or medication they choose. See, when you have markets, nobody who opposes abortion will ever have to pay for one if they don't want to. Nobody who wants to pay for them, or wants to get them, will ever be denied one. Birth control is the same thing. Same with euthanasia. Markets solve problems by providing choices. Governments cause them by taking those choices away. | ||
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shinosai
United States1577 Posts
I don't understand why people can't view healthcare like any other necessary but market-provided service, like shoes. Everyone needs shoes, but we have a free market in those! The problem is that there are certain public goods that the free market may not provide, but would be beneficial overall if they were provided. Roads, healthcare, research&development, etc. The reason why these items may not be provided by the free market is because they are not necessarily profitable to an individual (even though they may be profitable to society as a whole). So, for example, it may almost never be economical for health insurance agencies to provide care to certain individuals or for certain problems. So we enter a situation in which the market forces may not create competition leading to optimal health insurance plans, but perhaps leads to suboptimal, but highly profitable health insurance plans. Now perhaps you may say that health insurance providers should never be forced to provide any care that is not profitable. You may even say such a thing is morally wrong. Fair point, but now we have a less healthy population which has much larger ramifications than any individual. If profit and the gain of wealth for individuals is the only purpose of the economy and free market, then I concede that you are correct. However, I do not believe that is the case. | ||
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