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Your vote counts the same as any other individual in the US. It doesn't matter how much money they have or how educated they are. The only reason not to vote is if you are 100% apathetic about all of the candidates and would be fine with every single policy in thier campaign platforms.
Just because Congress doesn't do anything it isn't paid for (and then still doesn't do anything) doesn't mean your vote counts any less.
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On March 02 2012 05:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +I feel like the fact of the matter is that the wealthy elite of the country really do control everything. well if you don't vote, then you give them all the more power.
I disagree. Regardless of who I vote for, regardless of who wins, the problems remain unchanged.
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On March 02 2012 05:57 mynameisgreat11 wrote:Well first off, the second part wasn't me 
I never said it was.
Very perceptive of you to determine my 'true motivation' is a lack of interest in the political process. You must know a lot about me.
I simply respond to the content of the post.
If you are in any way or shape different in real life, I cannot decipher that. Consider all posts aimed at the person you display to be on the internet. I can't know if a man is pretending to be a woman or you are secretly Rick Santorum.
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I vote because I honestly believe that it does make a difference at times (despite the fact that I'm a Republican voting in California, so 70-80% of the time my vote doesn't mean anything) and because I think it's part of one's civic duty. If you don't vote then don't complain if you don't like the way things are being run in government.
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On March 02 2012 06:00 mynameisgreat11 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 05:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:I feel like the fact of the matter is that the wealthy elite of the country really do control everything. well if you don't vote, then you give them all the more power. I disagree. Regardless of who I vote for, regardless of who wins, the problems remain unchanged.
two things about that statement:
1. the problems as you see them stay the same. others may not feel that they are problems, or that they have stayed the same.
2. how does refusing to vote help that in any way, shape, or form?
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On March 02 2012 06:04 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 06:00 mynameisgreat11 wrote:On March 02 2012 05:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:I feel like the fact of the matter is that the wealthy elite of the country really do control everything. well if you don't vote, then you give them all the more power. I disagree. Regardless of who I vote for, regardless of who wins, the problems remain unchanged. two things about that statement: 1. the problems as you see them stay the same. others may not feel that they are problems, or that they have stayed the same. 2. how does refusing to vote help that in any way, shape, or form?
1- Agreed.
2-How does it hurt? I think the system is fundamentally flawed. I think my voting or not voting will not change that. I see no point in voting.
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On March 02 2012 05:18 zalz wrote:
Pathetic.
This is what people literally gave their life for? People took up arms and gave their life for the right to determine their own destiny. People believed that the right for the people to rule over their own country was so important that they were willing to fight and die for it.
Que this generation.
I hate bashing on the "new" generation like some 20 year old wanna-be-grandpa, but damn it if I don't like to be a hypocrite.
This trend has been on the rise for a while now. People have begun to confuse cynicism for intelligence. The darkest, most grim opinion is considered the most accurate, the most well informed. Surely our world must be corrupted at the core. Surely the termites are eating the foundation from under us.
We want the world to be shit so we gravitate towards the most cynic view and proclaim it to be the height of intelligence.
Tell me, what do you people even do? Stop pretending like you are some crusader for democracy when you are sitting on your ass at home. Stop pretending like you are fighting "corruption" by sitting on your ass and not voting. Stop pretending like you are doing the right thing by sitting on your fat ass at home, crying about how everything is corrupt and actually making fun of people that go out and take part in the democratic process.
I must applaud this new generation for how they have turned their own laziness and idiocy into a virtue. They sit at home, decide not to vote, and then they rationlize it to themselves. Here is a wake-up call for you:
You aren't not voting because you are so smart.
You aren't not voting because you wanna stick it to the man.
You aren't not voting you believe the democractic system is a frace.
You aren't voting because you are lazy. You want to finish that game of Starcraft. You want to watch another movie. You want to watch another episode of your favorite series. Hell, you just want to look at the wall for an extra hour.
You are lazy, that is why you don't vote. The disgusting prevalence of pseudo-intellectualism is what causes this generation to justify their lazy behaviour by pretending it to be the height of political resistance. It is like the conspiracy theorist that pretends he is so smart, simply because he doesn't watch the news, instead reading some tinfoil blog once a week that tells him the Illuminati is still out there.
And it doesn't extent to just voting. You begin to convince yourself the entire system is a farce. You tell yourself how you are actually being a productive member of society by not reading any newspapers or watching any news.
The less you do, the smarter you feel.
Now some of you might feel offended. How dare he call me lazy, I am actively fighting for democracy by watching another episode of HIMYM instead of going out to vote.
The truth is, deep down you know you don't give a shit about politics. You don't give a shit about democracy. If you truly felt that the system was corrupt you would go out and do something about it. You would join some movement to bring attention to your issues, hell, you would start one yourself.
But you don't. You sit on your ass at home. You don't do shit and you call it activism. You pretend to care about democracy, but all you do is sit at home and feel smug for not voting.
Shame on all of you that would bury democracy out of laziness. Shame on the liars that cloak their laziness as activism.
George Orwell took a bullet to the throat in his fight against fascism. What did you do?
The generalization that ALL people that does not vote are just lazy, is pathetic and because of it I will go and blank vote at the next election, just to prove your stupid and ignorant post wrong.
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it may not hurt, but it certainly doesn't help. anything. at all.
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On March 02 2012 06:09 sc2superfan101 wrote:
it may not hurt, but it certainly doesn't help. anything. at all.
You are right. I am not helping. I just wrote a post about how I think things are fucked up without offering solutions.
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I can't understand why you guys have an indirect democracy where some votes count and some don't, that's ridiculous.
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On March 02 2012 06:09 Kamakiri wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 05:18 zalz wrote:
Pathetic.
This is what people literally gave their life for? People took up arms and gave their life for the right to determine their own destiny. People believed that the right for the people to rule over their own country was so important that they were willing to fight and die for it.
Que this generation.
I hate bashing on the "new" generation like some 20 year old wanna-be-grandpa, but damn it if I don't like to be a hypocrite.
This trend has been on the rise for a while now. People have begun to confuse cynicism for intelligence. The darkest, most grim opinion is considered the most accurate, the most well informed. Surely our world must be corrupted at the core. Surely the termites are eating the foundation from under us.
We want the world to be shit so we gravitate towards the most cynic view and proclaim it to be the height of intelligence.
Tell me, what do you people even do? Stop pretending like you are some crusader for democracy when you are sitting on your ass at home. Stop pretending like you are fighting "corruption" by sitting on your ass and not voting. Stop pretending like you are doing the right thing by sitting on your fat ass at home, crying about how everything is corrupt and actually making fun of people that go out and take part in the democratic process.
I must applaud this new generation for how they have turned their own laziness and idiocy into a virtue. They sit at home, decide not to vote, and then they rationlize it to themselves. Here is a wake-up call for you:
You aren't not voting because you are so smart.
You aren't not voting because you wanna stick it to the man.
You aren't not voting you believe the democractic system is a frace.
You aren't voting because you are lazy. You want to finish that game of Starcraft. You want to watch another movie. You want to watch another episode of your favorite series. Hell, you just want to look at the wall for an extra hour.
You are lazy, that is why you don't vote. The disgusting prevalence of pseudo-intellectualism is what causes this generation to justify their lazy behaviour by pretending it to be the height of political resistance. It is like the conspiracy theorist that pretends he is so smart, simply because he doesn't watch the news, instead reading some tinfoil blog once a week that tells him the Illuminati is still out there.
And it doesn't extent to just voting. You begin to convince yourself the entire system is a farce. You tell yourself how you are actually being a productive member of society by not reading any newspapers or watching any news.
The less you do, the smarter you feel.
Now some of you might feel offended. How dare he call me lazy, I am actively fighting for democracy by watching another episode of HIMYM instead of going out to vote.
The truth is, deep down you know you don't give a shit about politics. You don't give a shit about democracy. If you truly felt that the system was corrupt you would go out and do something about it. You would join some movement to bring attention to your issues, hell, you would start one yourself.
But you don't. You sit on your ass at home. You don't do shit and you call it activism. You pretend to care about democracy, but all you do is sit at home and feel smug for not voting.
Shame on all of you that would bury democracy out of laziness. Shame on the liars that cloak their laziness as activism.
George Orwell took a bullet to the throat in his fight against fascism. What did you do? The generalization that ALL people that does not vote are just lazy, is pathetic and because of it I will go and blank vote at the next election, just to prove your stupid and ignorant post wrong.
I actually believe that everyone should go and vote, and if they don't feel they can make a well informed choice, or they don't see a group/candidate that deserves their vote, they should blank vote.
So...
Thank you?
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On March 02 2012 05:41 Marti wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 05:19 -Duderino- wrote:On March 02 2012 05:06 forgottendreams wrote:On March 02 2012 05:00 -Duderino- wrote:On March 02 2012 04:48 sevencck wrote:On March 02 2012 04:45 -Duderino- wrote:On March 02 2012 04:38 mynameisgreat11 wrote:On March 02 2012 04:33 -Duderino- wrote:
People in the U.S vote because thier individual vote doesnt matter but the American vote as a whole does. We vote because we feel we owe it to our fellow Americans who have the same believes as us.
All the bashing of the American political system is so overblown. Yes it is chaotic and yes money and lobbying does influence it, BUT our political system has made us hands down the greatest country the world has ever seen and probally ever will. The American politcal system has given all Americans so much opportunity, freedom and wealth that the biggest politcal arguements of the day are based on gay rights and religon lol.
Americans have so little problems that are biggest concern when voting is "what do they think about gay marriage" lol like a totally pointless topic, or "what is your plans for fixing these other countries like afghanistan iran and iraq", its not what is your plan for preventing American starvation or any of the other basic problems that many countries still face. So yes our system is a little crazy but until some other country comes close to besting it (which I strongly believe will not be in my lifetime), I will happily cast my useless vote and be proud to be an American. I like lots of things about America, but I'd be careful about calling us the 'greatest country the world has ever seen'. I actually feel that America has only given 'so much opportunity, freedom, and wealth' to a certain few. Lots of Americans have problems that aren't little, including starvation. My significant other is a social worker. Every day she is with people who are starving, ill and cannot receive care, and any number of problems that go along with being poor. These problems exist here. And it easily proven that America is the best country I agree America is a great nation in many ways, but there are many great nations. I'd be interested in hearing your proof. You would have to give me awhile to write good report on why America is the greatest, But if you just look at some basic facts that I don't have citations for: American has to be the largest supplier of world aid, It helped win many a war for the better, It was just recently passed by china as the world largest producer but china has like 5 times as many peeps, Probaly still is the worlds largest consumer, we export are culture worldwide with our styles in music and movies and tv being copied by billions, No other country comes close to exporting freedom like the U.S we will give American lifes for chance of allowing peeps in other countries to live free, we have probaly contributed the most to science and technology, I can go on and on but the point i want to make is forieners should have a lil gratitude for america because no matter where they are from they are affected by america daily even if in an indirect way. And I cant even think of what other country would give the U.S a run for its money Britain mabye but I think we proved what country was better with the revolution, Germany? they blew ther chance wit hitler, China? they blew ther chance many a time, Japan? lol you see when you look at just the history of countires let alone there stance today noone holds the moral compass of the united states, and you can point several incidnets like slavery and vietnam but the united states has made amends and admitted its mistakes and you could even make an arguement that native americans and the vietnamese are better off today then they would have been witout the U.S. So point is get out and vote kids ^^ LOL. Not only are you demanding "foreigners" have gratitude but you believe we "export freedom"? We export any and all regimes to achieve global political goals. Furthermore at the very bottom you leave a great ending "native americans and vietnamese are better off today". Lol? We gave Native Americans liquor, diseases and holed them into tiny plots of land without even full sovereignty with values completely alien to them (AKA many natives valued social capital rather than financial capital). This is simply one of the most embarrassing posts I've ever read. I'm patriotic but for realistic reasons, not fairytale reasons. Yes we export freedom and I can spend 5 min thinking up a hundred examples if you want, Obviously we do it to benefit ourselves but it is freedom nonetheless, You can say we started a war in Iraq for oil or wateva, but the end result?? Millions of Iraqis have more freedom today than they did under saddam hussien, ask any kurd if they believe america exports freedom and you will get a resounding yes. We export regimes for our politcal goals, but our politcal goals are largely based on freedom and saftey for the world, we prevented communist and terrorism while exporting freedom. Yes its a stretch they are better off today but an argument can be made. native americans have medicine and technology that would not be close to having without the U.S. And im not an expert on the vietnam war but they very well could be better off if we had just let communism take over unhidered, maby the soviet union would still be wrecking havoc without the vietnam war. And the thing is these are like the only 2 negatives that anti americans always choose to bash while ignoring the overwhelming amount of good the United States has done for the world. Futhermore you should be ashamed for bashing your country, do you realise what it has done for you? Do you realise what your life would be like had you been born in china? Do you realise that the United States has treated you so well that you get to have a spoiled delusional opinion on why your country is so bad? And wats your deal dude? this is post was embarrasing to you? I love the U.S and im proud to stand up for it lol I am sure there are thousands of kids in iraq, afghanistan, vietnam etc etc etc ... who have lost their parents, but are really fucking glad you brought them democracy ( in exchange for impoverishing the country, stealing oil etc ... ). I am not so sure about native americans tho because if it wasn't for you they probably wouldn't have had many of those diseases in the first place, therefore not needing your medical help, or your technology for that matters, for i am certain they were just as happy if not more without it . Also, i doubt they're very happy about the fact that you literally decimated them. I am also certain that nuking japan twice, killing thousands of innocents civilians and turning those who were not fortunate enough to be killed on the spot into monsters, did not exactly please them. I honestly don't know about freedom and democracy, i doubt it really makes that big of a difference when you indebt most countries who have something you want, but i'm pretty sure anyone with a brain would agree on how freaking disgusting your methods are, i mean, lying to the world and your people is one thing, sending your people to die in another country to increase the wealth of a small percentage of the population is another thing ( i mean you guys don't have a mandatory military service like south korea, people CHOOSE to be in the army ) but planning terrorist attacks on your own people to start a war, that's like really bad fucking news for your people. But maybe you're one of those who belive operation northwoods is a lie and the tonkin incident really happened. I'm out of here.
OH boy lol. Where to start??? First off i will emphaize my line that you quoted but didnt read apparently, "And the thing is these are like the only 2 negatives that anti americans always choose to bash while ignoring the overwhelming amount of good the United States has done for the world."
Second I will take up your arguments even though you saying the united states was behind 911 makes everything you said meaningless.
Yes democracy and freedom come at a price. Yes there are kids in these countries who lost thier parents and they mite not like that trade for freedom but i gurantee you that there kids will be grateful for that trade.All Americans also have ancestors who died for freedom also. As for impovershiing the country you dont provide any facts to back that up, but its not Americas goal to hurt the economies of these countries when we provide them with freedom but yes it is often one of the costs. But when you look down the line these countries are often better off. I have no data on vietnam but i would wager they are better off now then they would have been, and i gurantee Iraq and afghanistan will be better off in 10 years than they would have been with no american intervention.
I have gotten stuck defeneding the two worst things america has ever done lol but, I would bet the native americans are better off today than they would have been they would probly still be raiding differnet tribes and makin human sacrafices today had it not been for the united states. And im sure if we hadnt nuked japan alot more japanese, chinese, and americans peeps woulda died.
Your last paragraph is to out there to debate.
Also i like how your to ashamed to post what country your from but you will openly bash the u.s.
Also buddy you have a very strange hatred against the United States lol. Like i dont even hate the worst countries that bring nothing but evil to the world like north korea etc.. as much as you hate the United States lol (and the United States has hands down done more good for the world then any other country.
So now im not even intrested in the topic we need to start a new topic on how people become angry and distraught that they have to put all their troubles on the united states lol.
Are you a terrorist buddy? did you spend years getting waterboarded by the U.S. cuz you just got a crazy hatred goin lol.
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On March 02 2012 06:12 Aserrin wrote:
I can't understand why you guys have an indirect democracy where some votes count and some don't, that's ridiculous.
huh? what do you mean: some votes count and some don't?
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On March 02 2012 06:13 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 06:09 Kamakiri wrote:On March 02 2012 05:18 zalz wrote:
Pathetic.
This is what people literally gave their life for? People took up arms and gave their life for the right to determine their own destiny. People believed that the right for the people to rule over their own country was so important that they were willing to fight and die for it.
Que this generation.
I hate bashing on the "new" generation like some 20 year old wanna-be-grandpa, but damn it if I don't like to be a hypocrite.
This trend has been on the rise for a while now. People have begun to confuse cynicism for intelligence. The darkest, most grim opinion is considered the most accurate, the most well informed. Surely our world must be corrupted at the core. Surely the termites are eating the foundation from under us.
We want the world to be shit so we gravitate towards the most cynic view and proclaim it to be the height of intelligence.
Tell me, what do you people even do? Stop pretending like you are some crusader for democracy when you are sitting on your ass at home. Stop pretending like you are fighting "corruption" by sitting on your ass and not voting. Stop pretending like you are doing the right thing by sitting on your fat ass at home, crying about how everything is corrupt and actually making fun of people that go out and take part in the democratic process.
I must applaud this new generation for how they have turned their own laziness and idiocy into a virtue. They sit at home, decide not to vote, and then they rationlize it to themselves. Here is a wake-up call for you:
You aren't not voting because you are so smart.
You aren't not voting because you wanna stick it to the man.
You aren't not voting you believe the democractic system is a frace.
You aren't voting because you are lazy. You want to finish that game of Starcraft. You want to watch another movie. You want to watch another episode of your favorite series. Hell, you just want to look at the wall for an extra hour.
You are lazy, that is why you don't vote. The disgusting prevalence of pseudo-intellectualism is what causes this generation to justify their lazy behaviour by pretending it to be the height of political resistance. It is like the conspiracy theorist that pretends he is so smart, simply because he doesn't watch the news, instead reading some tinfoil blog once a week that tells him the Illuminati is still out there.
And it doesn't extent to just voting. You begin to convince yourself the entire system is a farce. You tell yourself how you are actually being a productive member of society by not reading any newspapers or watching any news.
The less you do, the smarter you feel.
Now some of you might feel offended. How dare he call me lazy, I am actively fighting for democracy by watching another episode of HIMYM instead of going out to vote.
The truth is, deep down you know you don't give a shit about politics. You don't give a shit about democracy. If you truly felt that the system was corrupt you would go out and do something about it. You would join some movement to bring attention to your issues, hell, you would start one yourself.
But you don't. You sit on your ass at home. You don't do shit and you call it activism. You pretend to care about democracy, but all you do is sit at home and feel smug for not voting.
Shame on all of you that would bury democracy out of laziness. Shame on the liars that cloak their laziness as activism.
George Orwell took a bullet to the throat in his fight against fascism. What did you do? The generalization that ALL people that does not vote are just lazy, is pathetic and because of it I will go and blank vote at the next election, just to prove your stupid and ignorant post wrong. I actually believe that everyone should go and vote, and if they don't feel they can make a well informed choice, or they don't see a group/candidate that deserves their vote, they should blank vote. So... Thank you?
Pathetic.
This is what people literally gave their life for? People took up arms and gave their life for the right to determine their own destiny. People believed that the right for the people to rule over their own country was so important that they were willing to fight and die for it.
Our soldiers shed their blood and tears for freedom. Freedom means making whatever choice you want, as long as it doesn't interfere with others right to do the same.
Tell me, what do you people even do? Stop pretending like you are some crusader for democracy when you are sitting on your ass at home.
Sound familiar?
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I go and cast a ballot, even if I don't want to vote for any particular person. I believe it's important for all of the citizens of the USA to go vote.
Obviously if you have a fever and are sick with strep throat you don't need to hike through the snow to make sure you vote is counted, but normally everyone should vote.
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On March 02 2012 06:15 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 06:12 Aserrin wrote:
I can't understand why you guys have an indirect democracy where some votes count and some don't, that's ridiculous. huh? what do you mean: some votes count and some don't?
Indirect democracy.
Your votes only count for the electors, not the president.
A candidate may have more votes but if he has less electors he's fucked.
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United States22883 Posts
Do you vote in local elections? Governor? State senator? Mayor?
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On March 02 2012 06:16 mynameisgreat11 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 06:13 zalz wrote:On March 02 2012 06:09 Kamakiri wrote:On March 02 2012 05:18 zalz wrote:
Pathetic.
This is what people literally gave their life for? People took up arms and gave their life for the right to determine their own destiny. People believed that the right for the people to rule over their own country was so important that they were willing to fight and die for it.
Que this generation.
I hate bashing on the "new" generation like some 20 year old wanna-be-grandpa, but damn it if I don't like to be a hypocrite.
This trend has been on the rise for a while now. People have begun to confuse cynicism for intelligence. The darkest, most grim opinion is considered the most accurate, the most well informed. Surely our world must be corrupted at the core. Surely the termites are eating the foundation from under us.
We want the world to be shit so we gravitate towards the most cynic view and proclaim it to be the height of intelligence.
Tell me, what do you people even do? Stop pretending like you are some crusader for democracy when you are sitting on your ass at home. Stop pretending like you are fighting "corruption" by sitting on your ass and not voting. Stop pretending like you are doing the right thing by sitting on your fat ass at home, crying about how everything is corrupt and actually making fun of people that go out and take part in the democratic process.
I must applaud this new generation for how they have turned their own laziness and idiocy into a virtue. They sit at home, decide not to vote, and then they rationlize it to themselves. Here is a wake-up call for you:
You aren't not voting because you are so smart.
You aren't not voting because you wanna stick it to the man.
You aren't not voting you believe the democractic system is a frace.
You aren't voting because you are lazy. You want to finish that game of Starcraft. You want to watch another movie. You want to watch another episode of your favorite series. Hell, you just want to look at the wall for an extra hour.
You are lazy, that is why you don't vote. The disgusting prevalence of pseudo-intellectualism is what causes this generation to justify their lazy behaviour by pretending it to be the height of political resistance. It is like the conspiracy theorist that pretends he is so smart, simply because he doesn't watch the news, instead reading some tinfoil blog once a week that tells him the Illuminati is still out there.
And it doesn't extent to just voting. You begin to convince yourself the entire system is a farce. You tell yourself how you are actually being a productive member of society by not reading any newspapers or watching any news.
The less you do, the smarter you feel.
Now some of you might feel offended. How dare he call me lazy, I am actively fighting for democracy by watching another episode of HIMYM instead of going out to vote.
The truth is, deep down you know you don't give a shit about politics. You don't give a shit about democracy. If you truly felt that the system was corrupt you would go out and do something about it. You would join some movement to bring attention to your issues, hell, you would start one yourself.
But you don't. You sit on your ass at home. You don't do shit and you call it activism. You pretend to care about democracy, but all you do is sit at home and feel smug for not voting.
Shame on all of you that would bury democracy out of laziness. Shame on the liars that cloak their laziness as activism.
George Orwell took a bullet to the throat in his fight against fascism. What did you do? The generalization that ALL people that does not vote are just lazy, is pathetic and because of it I will go and blank vote at the next election, just to prove your stupid and ignorant post wrong. I actually believe that everyone should go and vote, and if they don't feel they can make a well informed choice, or they don't see a group/candidate that deserves their vote, they should blank vote. So... Thank you? Pathetic. This is what people literally gave their life for? People took up arms and gave their life for the right to determine their own destiny. People believed that the right for the people to rule over their own country was so important that they were willing to fight and die for it. Our soldiers shed their blood and tears for freedom. Freedom means making whatever choice you want, as long as it doesn't interfere with others right to do the same. Tell me, what do you people even do? Stop pretending like you are some crusader for democracy when you are sitting on your ass at home. Sound familiar?
Yes it does.
I wonder who wrote such inspirational texts.
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I don't think the OP's sense is a reason as to why people vote but just highlights that as Americans we are stupid voters.
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wow.... this thread makes my brain hurt... I am saddened greatly to see that people truly believe that they have no control over their political governance, despite the fact that it is the basis, in essence, of the American ideals.
Why don't you go talk to an MP? (in Australia - Member of Parliament) Why don't you find other groups of people with interests that align to your own? Why don't you vote for a candidate that represents your views? If you feel that the two top candidates are trash, why don't you vote for another? if the top two are guarranteed to get the majority and, if you did vote, you'd vote against them; then by abstaining your vote you are increasing their majority.
If you can't be bothered finding a way to make the political system work for you, why do you deserve any of the benefits of it's governance? This is part of the age old problem of governance and voting.
There are a million factors but I'll list a few:
1. Equality means everyone should have a vote (there are arguments for and against this, but it doesn't really matter in this case)
2. People can make junk votes and perfectly informed votes, based on their range of knowledge of candidates.
3. People who don't vote still benefit (or are shat on) by the government that they vote on.
4. People can still communicate to officials in office, informing them of their views.
Now if you follow my reasoning here then perhaps you can understand why many people who DO vote and who feel that voting is important will get very angry when people trash the current systems because in this case, they're about as useful to the solution as the guy who throws rocks at people who are trying to clean up a mess, instead of helping to clean up the mess.
In Australia, it is relatively easy to move up through the political system, if you are capable. You start by running for local council; which is quite easy if you're intelligent (ie. you know how to listen, reason, comprehend) and hardworking (it's virtually a 24/7 commitment). Once you have experience in governance you can then run for MP through a party or as an independant etc etc. I can't spell it all out for you, but simply put, those rich people who you complain about are people who had to start somewhere too.
Except for the cases of justified costs (you don't want to get involved, take time to vote, genuinely don't care), voter apathy is almost entirely pathetic, in the literal sense.
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