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On February 03 2012 05:14 Dbla08 wrote:
the human mind knows nothing of society, people, or influences when born, they are either born deformed in their minds and then influenced in such a way that they become violent (not possible in this situation, as that generally revolves around a learning disorder and a lack of peers, this girl seemingly had a fair number of friends) and the rest is just learned from experience, something taught this girl that taking away what someone else had was pleasurable, and she was influenced in a way where it became taking away someone's very life, in the diary entries you can tell its a very simple, very carnal desire. maybe her father told her war stories, and he enjoyed killing in them? or perhaps as she came into puberty it pushed her desire of taking things from people to the extreme, who knows? either way its a person that is infinitely dangerous, so cold she's almost warm in how she goes about life, absolutely care-free of the value of life.
So according to you, if you have a couple of kids who are raised in the exact same "way", they will all be identical?
This is false. Animals have instincts that are triggered by certain cues. People have different thresholds and triggers and are predisposed to different traits.
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i always wondered do mental disorders come when born or through life expiriences
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On February 03 2012 05:07 danl9rm wrote:The Bible says that all humans are born into sin, separated from God, and thus capable of these atrocities. All of us. However, due to the rare nature of this story, it is certainly intriguing. I am reminded of Mark 5:1-20, when Jesus casts demons out of a man. Show nested quote +However, the prosecution could not satisfactorily explain how Katie, who weighed 8st 8lbs, was dragged across a pavement and around a corner by a 12-year-old girl. 3 This man lived in the tombs, and no one could bind him anymore, not even with a chain. 4 For he had often been chained hand and foot, but he tore the chains apart and broke the irons on his feet. No one was strong enough to subdue him. 5 Night and day among the tombs and in the hills he would cry out and cut himself with stones. Show nested quote +While awaiting trial, she was sent to an assessment centre where she tried to strangle two members of staff. Matthew 8:28 They were so violent that no one could pass that way. Obviously there are differences, but the similarities are eerie.
I really don't get what's eerie about that.
The first quote is about a guy breaking metal shakles by supernatural strength, the RL one is about a girl dragging someone.
Second one isn't similar at all as the bible quote is about self mutilation while the RL one is about sadistic violence against animals and other people.
Last one is also not really similar more than she's crazy and your bible quote says that "they" are violent.
I guess you see what you want to see, eh?
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On February 03 2012 05:18 sc14s wrote:
while some factors might exacerbate the situation.. people are born predisposed to do what they do to some extent its in your genes (especially things like this where its obviously some sort of disconnect from the world)
Well, at the moment there is no definite answer to the question OP asked, since the human mind/brain is the biggest mystery for us there is actually. It's hard to explain what we do and why we do it. But mental disorders are things you develope, and are not born with.
Sure there are genetic abilities, but i am fairly convinced nobody is born as a natural killer. It's also the family situation, the experiences and associations at a very young age that defines us, like year 1-8.
You should guess it is a combination of genes and psychosocial issues.
Most serial killers you hear of have practiced their skills on animals when they were childs afaik. Furthermore the family situation seems not that perfect. Who knows what she's been through...
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I bet she played Terran lol... But really yea this is some fcked up stuff and you get a terrible feeling from the whole thing.
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On February 03 2012 05:35 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
I can't help but be a bit impressed here. This bitch managed to do things no kid should be able to manage. Thank god she's gonna spend the rest of her life in prison before she gets older and decides to blow up a nuclear reactor.
I swear, that girl is a killing prodigy.
It must be simple being you, you have an easy life. I recall when I was just 5 years of age (My IQ was probably similar to yours, back then) I had some much joy in being ignorant. Enjoy your stupidity while it lasts, How this girl managed to perform her depraved acts, is not interesting, much more, how you manage to dress yourself every morning, that, is interesting.
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On February 03 2012 05:38 NekoFlandre wrote:
"This is an extremely dangerous person because she is clearly prepared to kill without an adequate motive. That makes her conduct very unpredictable and very dangerous. She is a great danger to the public."
Is there ever...a good motive for killing someone?
Honestly, this is seriously a screwy case and well. Go justice o.o;
I think what was meant is that if someone has a motive to kill then either once they have killed they are unlikely to again or if their motive requires them to kill more people it should be somewhat predictable.
In the case of this girl no motive means unpredictability, not necessarily that killing has "good" motives to kill.
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Sounds like something out of a movie.. So creepy.
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On February 03 2012 05:07 danl9rm wrote:The Bible says that all humans are born into sin, separated from God, and thus capable of these atrocities. All of us. However, due to the rare nature of this story, it is certainly intriguing. * bible stuff * 5 Night and day among the tombs and in the hills he would cry out and cut himself with stones. * some more bible stuff * Obviously there are differences, but the similarities are eerie.
You can find similarities between almost anything if you look and try hard enough. And sadism isn't hurting yourself, it's hurting others and find pleasure in it. Not entirely sure why you bring up the bible here anyway -- you don't seem to make a point with it other than 'it looks similar you guys!'. But I respect your memory for mapping the events in this story to some 'similar' events in the bible 
It's horrible people like this girl exist, I can never understand how anyone can be like this -- pure evil.
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Some people are just born insane i guess ^^
There's plenty of people who's gone through terrible stuff in their life yet they never murdered anyone.
Could be a combination though. Born a bit crazy + gone through ruff stuff at an early age. Who knows.
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Sounds like Mallory of "Mickey and Mallory" fame.
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On February 03 2012 05:38 NekoFlandre wrote:
"This is an extremely dangerous person because she is clearly prepared to kill without an adequate motive. That makes her conduct very unpredictable and very dangerous. She is a great danger to the public."
Is there ever...a good motive for killing someone?
Honestly, this is seriously a screwy case and well. Go justice o.o;
By "adequate motive", I don't think they were making an ethical argument but instead were just making a psychological diagnosis. She appeared to literally have no motive other than pleasure from killing. Seems fair to say a person like that is extremely dangerous.
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On February 03 2012 05:41 Frolossus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 05:38 NekoFlandre wrote:
"This is an extremely dangerous person because she is clearly prepared to kill without an adequate motive. That makes her conduct very unpredictable and very dangerous. She is a great danger to the public."
Is there ever...a good motive for killing someone?
Honestly, this is seriously a screwy case and well. Go justice o.o; I think what was meant is that if someone has a motive to kill then either once they have killed they are unlikely to again or if their motive requires them to kill more people it should be somewhat predictable. In the case of this girl no motive means unpredictability, not necessarily that killing has "good" motives to kill.
Yeah, all it means is that usually a killing has some motive. Revenge, money etc. Obviously these aren't "good" motives. But she simply kills because she enjoys it.
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May Katie Rackliff rest in peace. This girl sounds horrifying. It's hard to even fathom what society can do with people like that.
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On February 03 2012 05:14 Dbla08 wrote:
the human mind knows nothing of society, people, or influences when born, they are either born deformed in their minds and then influenced in such a way that they become violent (not possible in this situation, as that generally revolves around a learning disorder and a lack of peers, this girl seemingly had a fair number of friends) and the rest is just learned from experience, something taught this girl that taking away what someone else had was pleasurable, and she was influenced in a way where it became taking away someone's very life, in the diary entries you can tell its a very simple, very carnal desire. maybe her father told her war stories, and he enjoyed killing in them? or perhaps as she came into puberty it pushed her desire of taking things from people to the extreme, who knows? either way its a person that is infinitely dangerous, so cold she's almost warm in how she goes about life, absolutely care-free of the value of life.
I think you are absolutely right.
On February 03 2012 05:07 llKenZyll wrote:
So what do we do? Kill her? Ironic.
She is probably working for the British Military.
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it's clearly that she suffers from a mental illness or even multiple issues. If you want to know more about people who actually kill to kill without having feelings go search for the interview on Richard Kuklinski.
you can find it here Iceman tapes - inside the mind
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now people will bash on megadeth and thrash metal 
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who else got the urge and desire to sit with this person and hear them speak, just to to enjoy the experience. Like what would they say, how would they sound, what are they thinking, not why did they do it, murder is murder, reasons are only defined by what a person already knows, so we can find the answer in the end will be the same. but here is a 12 year old girl and you just want to figure out how is it possible and you have to ask this person so many questions to get that answer for yourself. haha rambling. the story fascinates and scares me simultaneously.
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