|
On February 04 2012 07:03 aebriol wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 06:36 ninini wrote:On February 04 2012 00:03 nihlon wrote:On February 03 2012 23:52 ninini wrote:
Noone is born without empathy. A person who seems to have no empathy have just rejected those thoughts. Of course this is easier to do for some, but there is no such thing as a person who has no feelings. There are many environmental causes which could make it tempting to reject empathy, and I think it's more common than ppl think. The reason why this case is so rare is because she's part of two extreme categories, since she also have a obsession about killing things. I mean, just because you reject empathy doesn't mean that you want to kill others. Maybe if you had something to gain from it, but not completely mindlessly like in this case.
It's pretty obvious that the step-father had some influence here. That's a rather simplistic view. How do you know none is born without empathy? Empathy goes hand to hand with spirituality. If you reject your sense of spirituality, you reject your ability to feel empathy. So, you are making a statement that has no basis in facts  As an atheist, who does not believe in anything supernatural, I reject your statement as absurd. But I empathize with your need to make a case for religious people like yourself being superior to others Just kidding But i think that the existence of humanism disproves your point.
Religion is just one way of being spiritual. Whether God exists or not doesn't matter. At the very least, Christ was a good role-model. If you think that religion is all bad, then you know nothing about religion, plus it was not even a important part of my point. I just felt like I needed to point out how he got more spiritual or it wouldn't have made as much sense.
Spirituality just means that you're in tune with your emotions. A person with no spirituality is someone who listens entirely on logic. They reject their feelings for logic. We all have those tendencies to some extent, but my point is that it's possible to become more spiritual and less logical, and it's possible to go in the opposite direction as well. Empathy doesn't exist in the logical brain and that's why ppl who have rejected their spirituality tends to show no signs of empathy. Please note that spirituality goes beyond believing in God. All honest relationships counts as spirituality, including the relationship towards your own well-being.
|
sucks for her most really, would be what seems completely natural to her and she is gonna be in a pysch ward for the rest of her life because of it
|
On February 04 2012 19:42 Snow Goose wrote:sucks for her most really, would be what seems completely natural to her and she is gonna be in a pysch ward for the rest of her life because of it
u fucking suck if u feel bad for her
|
On February 04 2012 18:33 ninini wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 07:03 aebriol wrote:On February 04 2012 06:36 ninini wrote:On February 04 2012 00:03 nihlon wrote:On February 03 2012 23:52 ninini wrote:
Noone is born without empathy. A person who seems to have no empathy have just rejected those thoughts. Of course this is easier to do for some, but there is no such thing as a person who has no feelings. There are many environmental causes which could make it tempting to reject empathy, and I think it's more common than ppl think. The reason why this case is so rare is because she's part of two extreme categories, since she also have a obsession about killing things. I mean, just because you reject empathy doesn't mean that you want to kill others. Maybe if you had something to gain from it, but not completely mindlessly like in this case.
It's pretty obvious that the step-father had some influence here. That's a rather simplistic view. How do you know none is born without empathy? Empathy goes hand to hand with spirituality. If you reject your sense of spirituality, you reject your ability to feel empathy. So, you are making a statement that has no basis in facts As an atheist, who does not believe in anything supernatural, I reject your statement as absurd. But I empathize with your need to make a case for religious people like yourself being superior to others Just kidding But i think that the existence of humanism disproves your point. Religion is just one way of being spiritual. Whether God exists or not doesn't matter. At the very least, Christ was a good role-model. If you think that religion is all bad, then you know nothing about religion, plus it was not even a important part of my point. I just felt like I needed to point out how he got more spiritual or it wouldn't have made as much sense. Spirituality just means that you're in tune with your emotions. A person with no spirituality is someone who listens entirely on logic. They reject their feelings for logic. We all have those tendencies to some extent, but my point is that it's possible to become more spiritual and less logical, and it's possible to go in the opposite direction as well. Empathy doesn't exist in the logical brain and that's why ppl who have rejected their spirituality tends to show no signs of empathy. Please note that spirituality goes beyond believing in God. All honest relationships counts as spirituality, including the relationship towards your own well-being.
I have nothing against most religious people, I don't know why you think I stated religion being bad or only bad. That was not what I wrote. Please reread it
However, you don't understand what spirituality means. Please look it up in the dictionary or wikipedia
Now that I understand what you meant by spirituality, I understand what you meant, however ... your understanding of the word spirituality isn't actually what the word means - at least not historically (I guess some people may use it that way, so maybe I am wrong, words do change meaning over time), so that is why I misunderstood you. Most often though (100% of the time in my experience), people that are 'spiritual' do not believe there is no soul, no god(s), nothing supernatural that exists.
And I certainly agree, in most cases, Christ (and Buddha), are good role models.
|
On February 03 2012 05:00 RoosterSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 04:54 Kamais Ookin wrote:
" I am a killer. Killing is my business - and business is good."
Megadeth influenced her I see. That saying goes back before megadeth...
That was the first thing I thought of...how long is it going to take for people ti link this to megadeth lol....even though the album itself was supposed to be against war etc.
|
On February 04 2012 18:33 ninini wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 07:03 aebriol wrote:On February 04 2012 06:36 ninini wrote:On February 04 2012 00:03 nihlon wrote:On February 03 2012 23:52 ninini wrote:
Noone is born without empathy. A person who seems to have no empathy have just rejected those thoughts. Of course this is easier to do for some, but there is no such thing as a person who has no feelings. There are many environmental causes which could make it tempting to reject empathy, and I think it's more common than ppl think. The reason why this case is so rare is because she's part of two extreme categories, since she also have a obsession about killing things. I mean, just because you reject empathy doesn't mean that you want to kill others. Maybe if you had something to gain from it, but not completely mindlessly like in this case.
It's pretty obvious that the step-father had some influence here. That's a rather simplistic view. How do you know none is born without empathy? Empathy goes hand to hand with spirituality. If you reject your sense of spirituality, you reject your ability to feel empathy. So, you are making a statement that has no basis in facts As an atheist, who does not believe in anything supernatural, I reject your statement as absurd. But I empathize with your need to make a case for religious people like yourself being superior to others Just kidding But i think that the existence of humanism disproves your point. Religion is just one way of being spiritual. Whether God exists or not doesn't matter. At the very least, Christ was a good role-model. If you think that religion is all bad, then you know nothing about religion, plus it was not even a important part of my point. I just felt like I needed to point out how he got more spiritual or it wouldn't have made as much sense. Spirituality just means that you're in tune with your emotions. A person with no spirituality is someone who listens entirely on logic. They reject their feelings for logic. We all have those tendencies to some extent, but my point is that it's possible to become more spiritual and less logical, and it's possible to go in the opposite direction as well. Empathy doesn't exist in the logical brain and that's why ppl who have rejected their spirituality tends to show no signs of empathy. Please note that spirituality goes beyond believing in God. All honest relationships counts as spirituality, including the relationship towards your own well-being.
Firstly, this has nothing to do with "spirituality" or religion, this is about sexual pleasure. From the OP:
Samples of her notes were graphic. In one she said: " I am a killer. Killing is my business - and business is good." In another: " I was born to be a murderer. Killing for me is a mass turn-on and it just makes me so high I never want to come down. Every night I see the Devil in my dreams - sometimes even in my mirror, but I realise it was just me."
Secondly, I don't like how you've hijacked the definition of spirituality to include any honest relationship, including with yourself. I'm an atheist and I'm not spiritual in any way under a conventional definition of spirituality. This woman has a honest relationship with herself, she is sexually stimulated by killing and she knows it. That's honesty -- and "spirituality".
|
On February 04 2012 19:48 Kojak21 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 19:42 Snow Goose wrote:sucks for her most really, would be what seems completely natural to her and she is gonna be in a pysch ward for the rest of her life because of it u fucking suck if u feel bad for her
I feel bad for her. I feel bad for the victim and their family too.
To feel sorrow that a child could have their worldview so warped and their capacity to experience emotion so diminished that they will never be able to lead a free life is not a bad thing. This is a girl who will never go on holiday, or love, and will probably never even form a lasting friendship. She can't set up her own home, or go to college, or raise children. And because of her issues, she won't even properly understand why. Without feeling affection for someone, it is difficult to truly comprehend what killing means to the community and why the community rejects this infringement of societal rules more than almost any other.
It is not wrong to deprive this psychopath of her freedom for the rest of her life, but that it is sad that it is necessary.
|
On February 04 2012 19:42 Snow Goose wrote:sucks for her most really, would be what seems completely natural to her and she is gonna be in a pysch ward for the rest of her life because of it
It's hard to even imagine what emotions are like for her. Maybe being in prison isn't any more mundane than living outside - except she can't kill things.
Anyway most of our sympathy should surely go to the woman who was stabbed and her family.
|
|
|
On February 04 2012 21:16 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 19:42 Snow Goose wrote:sucks for her most really, would be what seems completely natural to her and she is gonna be in a pysch ward for the rest of her life because of it It's hard to even imagine what emotions are like for her. Maybe being in prison isn't any more mundane than living outside - except she can't kill things. Anyway most of our sympathy should surely go to the woman who was stabbed and her family.
Imagine a normal woman with the urge to have sex with men for pleasure, now replace having sex with men with killing people. It seems to me that that's pretty much all it is.
|
On February 04 2012 19:48 Kojak21 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 19:42 Snow Goose wrote:sucks for her most really, would be what seems completely natural to her and she is gonna be in a pysch ward for the rest of her life because of it u fucking suck if u feel bad for her
R U 4 RELLA? Now, let's use the big words, you would suck if you didn't. She is sick, and any sick person deserves pity, no matter their actions.
|
Italy12246 Posts
On February 03 2012 05:00 RoosterSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 04:54 Kamais Ookin wrote:
" I am a killer. Killing is my business - and business is good."
Megadeth influenced her I see. That saying goes back before megadeth...
But rock'n'roll is always the enemy right?
On topic, this is the most disturbing thing i have ever read, period. The human brain can really get fucked up bad sometimes.
|
On February 04 2012 20:58 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 18:33 ninini wrote:On February 04 2012 07:03 aebriol wrote:On February 04 2012 06:36 ninini wrote:On February 04 2012 00:03 nihlon wrote:On February 03 2012 23:52 ninini wrote:
Noone is born without empathy. A person who seems to have no empathy have just rejected those thoughts. Of course this is easier to do for some, but there is no such thing as a person who has no feelings. There are many environmental causes which could make it tempting to reject empathy, and I think it's more common than ppl think. The reason why this case is so rare is because she's part of two extreme categories, since she also have a obsession about killing things. I mean, just because you reject empathy doesn't mean that you want to kill others. Maybe if you had something to gain from it, but not completely mindlessly like in this case.
It's pretty obvious that the step-father had some influence here. That's a rather simplistic view. How do you know none is born without empathy? Empathy goes hand to hand with spirituality. If you reject your sense of spirituality, you reject your ability to feel empathy. So, you are making a statement that has no basis in facts As an atheist, who does not believe in anything supernatural, I reject your statement as absurd. But I empathize with your need to make a case for religious people like yourself being superior to others Just kidding But i think that the existence of humanism disproves your point. Religion is just one way of being spiritual. Whether God exists or not doesn't matter. At the very least, Christ was a good role-model. If you think that religion is all bad, then you know nothing about religion, plus it was not even a important part of my point. I just felt like I needed to point out how he got more spiritual or it wouldn't have made as much sense. Spirituality just means that you're in tune with your emotions. A person with no spirituality is someone who listens entirely on logic. They reject their feelings for logic. We all have those tendencies to some extent, but my point is that it's possible to become more spiritual and less logical, and it's possible to go in the opposite direction as well. Empathy doesn't exist in the logical brain and that's why ppl who have rejected their spirituality tends to show no signs of empathy. Please note that spirituality goes beyond believing in God. All honest relationships counts as spirituality, including the relationship towards your own well-being. Firstly, this has nothing to do with "spirituality" or religion, this is about sexual pleasure. From the OP: Show nested quote +
Samples of her notes were graphic. In one she said: " I am a killer. Killing is my business - and business is good." In another: " I was born to be a murderer. Killing for me is a mass turn-on and it just makes me so high I never want to come down. Every night I see the Devil in my dreams - sometimes even in my mirror, but I realise it was just me."
Secondly, I don't like how you've hijacked the definition of spirituality to include any honest relationship, including with yourself. I'm an atheist and I'm not spiritual in any way under a conventional definition of spirituality. This woman has a honest relationship with herself, she is sexually stimulated by killing and she knows it. That's honesty -- and "spirituality".
Addiction has nothing to do with spirituality. Spirituality is our connection to the bigger meaning. Love and friendship fall under the spiritual realm. Killing or abusing ppl is the opposite of spirituality, because you're rejecting a potential God, and you're rejecting a meaningful relationship with the victim.
The fundamental part of being a Christian is that you are pursuing a honest relationship with God and Jesus. It's the same as a earthly father and son relationship.
You might have heard: "Whatever you did unto one of the least, you did unto me."
What does that mean? It means that we are all a part of a big entity: God, and it means that any honest friendship you form with a human being, you also form with God. It also means that when you're forming a relationship with God, you're forming a relationship with all the people on this planet. How, you might ask? By allowing his light to shine through you, so that you can more easily help ppl and form relationships with them. Secular moralism works similarly and so does shamanism.
I don't think it's that far-fetched to define it all as spirituality. The goals and the purpose of the actions are the same, it's just a question of whether you serve the lord, a spirit or "humanity".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_spirituality
"Secular spirituality emphasizes humanistic qualities such as love, compassion, patience, tolerance, forgiveness, contentment, responsibility, harmony, and a concern for others[2]:22, aspects of life and human experience which go beyond a purely materialist view of the world, without necessarily accepting belief in a supernatural reality or divine being."
|
Several studies have shown that violent children are a product of violence being done to them or to someone close to them at a very young age. Biology is nothing outside of environment, it is the primary adaptive programming tool used to nature to help animals adapt/prepare for their surroundings.
I feel sorry for her and wonder what the real story is, she may have been born this way as far as a Nazi is "born that way" under a Fuhrer or a muslim is "born that way" into an Islamic environment.
|
On February 05 2012 00:34 TRod wrote:
Several studies have shown that violent children are a product of violence being done to them or to someone close to them at a very young age. Biology is nothing outside of environment, it is the primary adaptive programming tool used to nature to help animals adapt/prepare for their surroundings.
I feel sorry for her and wonder what the real story is, she may have been born this way as far as a Nazi is "born that way" under a Fuhrer or a muslim is "born that way" into an Islamic environment.
A few of us suggested this awhile back in the thread, the sad thing is with how far gone this girl is, we may never know what horrible things may have happened to her as a youth (they give a brief description in the article, but if that's what they know about, imagine what they don't).
I don't think she mighthave been abused, I know she was, the extent of it is up for question, but nobody becomes like this on their own, she is repeating what she has learned over her life, and we know that whatever she is repeating is FUCKED UP.
|
If only murderers would murder themselves more often.. so many of these "killers" are a financial drain on the system (being locked up for life, wasting court time, ect.)
If they truly get pleasure from killing, perhaps someone should suggest that they kill themselves and do a favor for us regular folks. Frustrating to see someone so fucked up destroy so much that they will never understand.
Someone needs to rag-doll this little harpy.
edit: logic
|
>>bigwig123
this girl is out of nevada-tans league, she was 11 back then~
|
This story is disgusting. But I guess some people really are just born killers. Surprising that she was only 12 years old and that such a young girl actually did those things. I feel sorry for the victims.
Idk how anybody could treat other lives like this girl did without feeling any bit of grief. Decapitating a dog's head with a spade ffs. That's terrible.
|
On February 04 2012 22:17 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 19:48 Kojak21 wrote:On February 04 2012 19:42 Snow Goose wrote:sucks for her most really, would be what seems completely natural to her and she is gonna be in a pysch ward for the rest of her life because of it u fucking suck if u feel bad for her R U 4 RELLA? Now, let's use the big words, you would suck if you didn't. She is sick, and any sick person deserves pity, no matter their actions.
You are a good person. Evil people live by a different set of rules than you and I, you cannot show pity on a person that is obviously pure evil by nature, it was nothing to do with sickness. You should put these people away or they should be put to death. Brutal, but that's just the way it is, regardless of "age".
|
You should come to ciudad juarez here in Mexico, 12 years old killers are experienced people, they start at around 7 years old.
This story means nothing to me, I guess living in a warzone has made me very different with these things.
Still no justification for her actions, if she commited murder, then she should pay, even with her life if that´s what the judge decides.
There are too many fucked up people in this world!!
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
