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Norris_is_GODLY
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom46 Posts
February 02 2012 19:40 GMT
#1
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/i-was-born-to-be-a-killer

so i was just flicking throught my news feed on fb and came across this news article-

Sharon Carr, a girl obsessed with death and violence, secured her place in criminal history yesterday as Britain's youngest female murderer.

She had killed at the age of 12 - a savage attack in which a teenage hairdresser was mutilated with 29 stab wounds. The victim, Katie Rackliff, had been picked out at random as she walked home from a nightclub in June l992.

The trial at Winchester Crown Court was told that in the years that followed, Carr seemed to be exultant over the killing, and yet haunted by it. She was endlessly writing about the murder and drawing pictures of a knife.

Samples of her notes were graphic. In one she said: " I am a killer. Killing is my business - and business is good." In another: " I was born to be a murderer. Killing for me is a mass turn-on and it just makes me so high I never want to come down. Every night I see the Devil in my dreams - sometimes even in my mirror, but I realise it was just me."

Four years after the murder, a diary entry stated: " I bring the knife into her chest. Her eyes are closing. She is pleading with me so I bring the knife to her again and again. I don't want to hurt her but I need to do violence to her ... I need to overcome her beauty, her serenity, her security. There I see her face when she died. I know she feels her life being slowly drawn from her and I hear her gasp. I guess she was trying to breathe.

"The air stops in the back of her throat. I know all her life her breathing has worked, but it does not now. And I am joyful".

Were these the fantasies of a deeply disturbed mind, as the defence claimed? Or, as the Crown held, the grim memories of an " evil and precocious" schoolgirl who gloried in what she had done? The jury had no doubt.

It was the writings, and subsequent verbal confessions that convicted Carr. There was no forensic evidence, but, as the prosecution pointed out, she had knowledge of the murder not available to the public. She graphically described one particular injury, details of which the police had deliberately withheld, and she also knew that a bracelet had been stolen from Katie Rackliff - knowledge that only the killer would have.

In June 1994, almost two years to the day after Katie's murder, Carr attacked a pupil called Ann-Marie Clifford with a knife, for no apparent reason, at Collingwood College Comprehensive in Camberley, Surrey.

While awaiting trial, she was sent to an assessment centre where she tried to strangle two members of staff. Two counts of actual bodily harm were taken into account when she was convicted of wounding Ann-Marie, and sentenced to be detained at Her Majesty's pleasure.

At Bulwood Hall young offenders' institution, staff alerted police after Carr began talking about the killing of Katie Rackliff on the telephone to her friends and family and wrote about it in her diaries. She also began to give details of what she had done to a prison officer, on whom she had developed a crush, as well as talking about it to a probation officer.

The Rackliff killing had remained unsolved despite four years of intensive investigation by police. Some of the knife blows that Katie suffered in the attack had gone straight through her body and out the other side. Her sexual organs were mutilated, and her clothes pulled up, although there was no evidence of sexual assault.

Detectives seized Carr's writings and drawings, and questioned her for 27 hours. She gave three different accounts of how Katie had been killed, but in all of them the central theme was she had repeatedly stabbed her.

In two of the versions, Carr said she was with two boys in a car at the time of the attack, and they had engaged in sexual activity with Katie before dumping the body. She named the two boys. Police interviewed them but they provided alibis for each other, and were eliminated from the inquiry. However, the prosecution could not satisfactorily explain how Katie, who weighed 8st 8lbs, was dragged across a pavement and around a corner by a 12-year-old girl.

Carr continued with her writing even after being interviewed by the police. In April l996, the month before she was charged, she wrote: " I am not like one of those pretty girls who breaks down due to a guilty conscience. Through six and a half years of causing people grief, I still have not found one." On 7 June, her diary read: " Respect to Katie Rackliff. Four years today."

Sadistic violence seemed to be part of her life. Police discovered that she had decapitated a neighbour's dog with a spade, and there was also a "suggestion" from a friend that she had fried live hamsters.

Detective Sergeant Paul Clements, who interviewed Carr extensively, recalled: "It was almost as if she was in another world. What sticks in my mind about talking to her was the coldness. Most people that you interview show some feeling as to why they have done what they have done. But with her there was a complete absence of emotion and reason."

Carr was born in Belize in l981 and was brought up by her mother and stepfather - a soldier. After moving to England the family settled in Camberley, Surrey. Her parents split up and she was briefly fostered, but after a month she returned to the home of her mother. At school, her teachers initially described her as polite and helpful, but her behaviour deteriorated and she became disruptive and attention-seeking.

Criminal psychologist Gordon Tressler said: "This is a difficult case to understand. One can find precedents of young children killing other young children, but in this case it was a child killing someone who was almost an adult.

"This is an extremely dangerous person because she is clearly prepared to kill without an adequate motive. That makes her conduct very unpredictable and very dangerous. She is a great danger to the public."


This is honestly one of the most fucked up things i have ever read....

i have a younger sister around that age and to think someone that young could be so evil and cold just blows my mind. The way the girl describes the things she did is truely horrifying

It does say her parents broke up and that she was briefly put into foster care, and so my question is this- Do you think some people are just 'born killers' as she states, or is it the experiences one has growing up that could lead them to do such a thing? Or maybe even a combination of the two?

Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
February 02 2012 19:48 GMT
#2
Appears to be a severe lesion in the corpus callosum D:
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Xiron
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1233 Posts
February 02 2012 19:50 GMT
#3
On February 03 2012 04:40 Norris_is_GODLY wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/i-was-born-to-be-a-killer

so i was just flicking throught my news feed on fb and came across this news article-

Sharon Carr, a girl obsessed with death and violence, secured her place in criminal history yesterday as Britain's youngest female murderer.

She had killed at the age of 12 - a savage attack in which a teenage hairdresser was mutilated with 29 stab wounds. The victim, Katie Rackliff, had been picked out at random as she walked home from a nightclub in June l992.

The trial at Winchester Crown Court was told that in the years that followed, Carr seemed to be exultant over the killing, and yet haunted by it. She was endlessly writing about the murder and drawing pictures of a knife.

Samples of her notes were graphic. In one she said: " I am a killer. Killing is my business - and business is good." In another: " I was born to be a murderer. Killing for me is a mass turn-on and it just makes me so high I never want to come down. Every night I see the Devil in my dreams - sometimes even in my mirror, but I realise it was just me."

Four years after the murder, a diary entry stated: " I bring the knife into her chest. Her eyes are closing. She is pleading with me so I bring the knife to her again and again. I don't want to hurt her but I need to do violence to her ... I need to overcome her beauty, her serenity, her security. There I see her face when she died. I know she feels her life being slowly drawn from her and I hear her gasp. I guess she was trying to breathe.

"The air stops in the back of her throat. I know all her life her breathing has worked, but it does not now. And I am joyful".

Were these the fantasies of a deeply disturbed mind, as the defence claimed? Or, as the Crown held, the grim memories of an " evil and precocious" schoolgirl who gloried in what she had done? The jury had no doubt.

It was the writings, and subsequent verbal confessions that convicted Carr. There was no forensic evidence, but, as the prosecution pointed out, she had knowledge of the murder not available to the public. She graphically described one particular injury, details of which the police had deliberately withheld, and she also knew that a bracelet had been stolen from Katie Rackliff - knowledge that only the killer would have.

In June 1994, almost two years to the day after Katie's murder, Carr attacked a pupil called Ann-Marie Clifford with a knife, for no apparent reason, at Collingwood College Comprehensive in Camberley, Surrey.

While awaiting trial, she was sent to an assessment centre where she tried to strangle two members of staff. Two counts of actual bodily harm were taken into account when she was convicted of wounding Ann-Marie, and sentenced to be detained at Her Majesty's pleasure.

At Bulwood Hall young offenders' institution, staff alerted police after Carr began talking about the killing of Katie Rackliff on the telephone to her friends and family and wrote about it in her diaries. She also began to give details of what she had done to a prison officer, on whom she had developed a crush, as well as talking about it to a probation officer.

The Rackliff killing had remained unsolved despite four years of intensive investigation by police. Some of the knife blows that Katie suffered in the attack had gone straight through her body and out the other side. Her sexual organs were mutilated, and her clothes pulled up, although there was no evidence of sexual assault.

Detectives seized Carr's writings and drawings, and questioned her for 27 hours. She gave three different accounts of how Katie had been killed, but in all of them the central theme was she had repeatedly stabbed her.

In two of the versions, Carr said she was with two boys in a car at the time of the attack, and they had engaged in sexual activity with Katie before dumping the body. She named the two boys. Police interviewed them but they provided alibis for each other, and were eliminated from the inquiry. However, the prosecution could not satisfactorily explain how Katie, who weighed 8st 8lbs, was dragged across a pavement and around a corner by a 12-year-old girl.

Carr continued with her writing even after being interviewed by the police. In April l996, the month before she was charged, she wrote: " I am not like one of those pretty girls who breaks down due to a guilty conscience. Through six and a half years of causing people grief, I still have not found one." On 7 June, her diary read: " Respect to Katie Rackliff. Four years today."

Sadistic violence seemed to be part of her life. Police discovered that she had decapitated a neighbour's dog with a spade, and there was also a "suggestion" from a friend that she had fried live hamsters.

Detective Sergeant Paul Clements, who interviewed Carr extensively, recalled: "It was almost as if she was in another world. What sticks in my mind about talking to her was the coldness. Most people that you interview show some feeling as to why they have done what they have done. But with her there was a complete absence of emotion and reason."

Carr was born in Belize in l981 and was brought up by her mother and stepfather - a soldier. After moving to England the family settled in Camberley, Surrey. Her parents split up and she was briefly fostered, but after a month she returned to the home of her mother. At school, her teachers initially described her as polite and helpful, but her behaviour deteriorated and she became disruptive and attention-seeking.

Criminal psychologist Gordon Tressler said: "This is a difficult case to understand. One can find precedents of young children killing other young children, but in this case it was a child killing someone who was almost an adult.

"This is an extremely dangerous person because she is clearly prepared to kill without an adequate motive. That makes her conduct very unpredictable and very dangerous. She is a great danger to the public."


This is honestly one of the most fucked up things i have ever read....

i have a younger sister around that age and to think someone that young could be so evil and cold just blows my mind. The way the girl describes the things she did is truely horrifying

It does say her parents broke up and that she was briefly put into foster care, and so my question is this- Do you think some people are just 'born killers' as she states, or is it the experiences one has growing up that could lead them to do such a thing? Or maybe even a combination of the two?



I do have a younger sister at that age, too.
I for one think that it is indeed possible to be born as a killer. You only get satisfaction through causing pain and such. But I also believe that the divorce of her parents may have acted as a trigger to let her live out what she wanted to do. If they didn't break up, her daughter may have started killing people at the age of like 25 anyway.
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
February 02 2012 19:50 GMT
#4
There are people with mental disorders that feels joy in seeing other people suffer, I guess that is what she has.
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Magic_Mike
Profile Joined May 2010
United States542 Posts
February 02 2012 19:52 GMT
#5
Yes. She was born with these problems She has a severe mental disorder for sure.
Proof.
Profile Joined August 2011
535 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 20:00:26
February 02 2012 19:53 GMT
#6
Pretty old article..but messed up nonetheless.
"At school, her teachers initially described her as polite and helpful, but her behaviour deteriorated and she became disruptive and attention-seeking."

That word seems key here in my opinion. Probably something psychologically related. I mean, you can have fucked up thoughts at that age, but to take action...

I honestly don't believe you're "born" a killer. That seems like the kind of stuff you hear in movies..like Kill Bill. The environment you grow up in and the events you experience at a young age tends to have a great impact on later life.
Edit: I mean you COULD be born with a mental illness, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. The descriptions of her early on (polite and helpful???) suggests she developed a mental disorder as she got older (most likely from the parents splitting and the foster home thing).
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Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
February 02 2012 19:54 GMT
#7
frying a hamster...omg that makes me cringe.
Zinnwaldite
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1567 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 19:54:54
February 02 2012 19:54 GMT
#8
these things are so interesting,, would be great to have a chat with her..

i kinda wanna fuck her for some reason..

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Kamais Ookin
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada591 Posts
February 02 2012 19:54 GMT
#9
" I am a killer. Killing is my business - and business is good."

Megadeth influenced her I see.
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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 19:56:45
February 02 2012 19:55 GMT
#10
ah such a hard question. but like all things I believe there are multiple explanations for such behavior. yes, no doubt that things could have been different if she grew up in a loving and stable environment. Heck, such a situation might have curbed an innate desire to kill.

on the other hand we have children who grow up in shit holes and do not EVER develop such murderous thoughts. This makes me believe this child could have been born with such tendencies and that her surroundings simply added to her evil intent. my 2 cents.


On February 03 2012 04:54 Zinnwaldite wrote:
these things are so interesting,, would be great to have a chat with her..

i kinda wanna fuck her for some reason..


dude fuck off, that is fucking inappropriate in all intents and purposes.
Kolvacs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1203 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 19:57:09
February 02 2012 19:55 GMT
#11
Traumatic events in someone's life can change the way a person thinks. Some people take their parent's divorce different then others. Not to say that I think that was the main reason, she may have had some sort of mental disorder that was 'forcing' her to do these things. That being said, I think that this story could be made into an awesome horror movie!


On February 03 2012 04:54 Zinnwaldite wrote:
i kinda wanna fuck her for some reason..

Not going to lie, that 'evil' side of women is pretty attractive.
Norris_is_GODLY
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom46 Posts
February 02 2012 19:57 GMT
#12
It's interesting how her teachers at school described her as 'polite and helpful' before her behavior started to deteriorate. Kind of makes me think there was an event, or series of events that lead to this. Surely the mum could have spotted this behavior and told someone? Or do you think the girl put on an act in front of her to hide it?
lvlashimaro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States91 Posts
February 02 2012 19:59 GMT
#13
I don't think you're born a killer. That's a bit absurd. I truly believe that her environment impacted her killings. Her teachers even said that at one point in her life, she was helpful. I don't know what would do me personally in, but she had a family, then was subjugated to foster care, and then brought back into her family again. I can only empathize what that would feel like, but I know if that happened to me, I'd be very bitter about it.
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RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
February 02 2012 20:00 GMT
#14
On February 03 2012 04:54 Kamais Ookin wrote:
" I am a killer. Killing is my business - and business is good."

Megadeth influenced her I see.

That saying goes back before megadeth...
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
February 02 2012 20:00 GMT
#15
On February 03 2012 04:54 Kamais Ookin wrote:
" I am a killer. Killing is my business - and business is good."

Megadeth influenced her I see.


I thought the exact same thing! hah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
HackBenjamin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1094 Posts
February 02 2012 20:00 GMT
#16
On February 03 2012 04:54 Zinnwaldite wrote:
these things are so interesting,, would be great to have a chat with her..

i kinda wanna fuck her for some reason..


As if I wasn't already shocked by the article.. There really are some fucking odd people in this world of ours.
Kolvacs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1203 Posts
February 02 2012 20:01 GMT
#17
On February 03 2012 05:00 HackBenjamin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 04:54 Zinnwaldite wrote:
these things are so interesting,, would be great to have a chat with her..

i kinda wanna fuck her for some reason..


As if I wasn't already shocked by the article.. There really are some fucking odd people in this world of ours.


Nobody is perfect lol. I'm sure we all have something 'weird' about us.
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
February 02 2012 20:03 GMT
#18
On February 03 2012 04:50 Integra wrote:
There are people with mental disorders that feels joy in seeing other people suffer, I guess that is what she has.


It's not a mental disorder. It's just a different way of enjoying life. Why are you so judgmental? Nothing wrong with a little sadism. MURDERING someone for pleasure is a completely different thing.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
February 02 2012 20:03 GMT
#19
Eh, doesn't seem very weird to me if you're talking about murderers. They all have these kinds of thoughts, and although it's pretty freaky it's also quite interesting.
MHT
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1026 Posts
February 02 2012 20:03 GMT
#20
Yeah i think its possible to be a born killer in a way, like some people are born without empathy and don't really feel any remorse for their actions. Look at the norwegian guy for example he was born and raised fairly normal and seem normal in almost every way. But killing hundreds seemed just perfectly fine for him. Not to say that those people will all be killers but they do have what it takes.
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