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On February 04 2012 00:03 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 23:52 ninini wrote:
Noone is born without empathy. A person who seems to have no empathy have just rejected those thoughts. Of course this is easier to do for some, but there is no such thing as a person who has no feelings. There are many environmental causes which could make it tempting to reject empathy, and I think it's more common than ppl think. The reason why this case is so rare is because she's part of two extreme categories, since she also have a obsession about killing things. I mean, just because you reject empathy doesn't mean that you want to kill others. Maybe if you had something to gain from it, but not completely mindlessly like in this case.
It's pretty obvious that the step-father had some influence here. That's a rather simplistic view. How do you know none is born without empathy?
Empathy goes hand to hand with spirituality. If you reject your sense of spirituality, you reject your ability to feel empathy. I've seen big enough changes in ppl to know that you can develop or get more in tune with your empathy. I know someone specific who used to be really jaded. He never cried as far as I knew, but nowadays he gets teary eyed over even the most minor stuff. I noticed this change gradually after he got religious. He became more in tune with his spirituality, and he developed a stronger sense of empathy.
A lot of ppl neglect their ability to feel empathy because it protects them from being hurt. My mother had to quit her career as a nurse because her empathy got unbearable. She couldn't stand going to work and see so many ppl not receiving proper care. She also quit her next job as a telephone salesman for the same reasons, because she couldn't bear luring them into buying what she was selling. And believe me, she was very good and successful at what she did. She have all the good qualities that a salesman needs, but in the end her conscience got too much. If she had worked long enough, it's possible that it would have jaded her and made it more bearable, but it would have meant that she had become less in tune with her emotions.
I think that serial killers or violent behavior in general are a result of chronic emotional abuse, sometimes self-inflicted. But the serial killers also seems to have this compulsive idea about going against the norm and breaking the rules. I think that a big reason why they kill ppl is simply because they can. Their emotional abuse have screwed them up so bad that they have given up on having a normal happy life, so they decide to go all-out on their fantasies, which often seems to be sexual in nature. When you are at that state that you've decided to do that, empathy is just an obstacle. If you guys think that empathy stops ppl from killing, you need to open your minds.
Maybe this was just a lie, but the serial killer Ted Bundy said that he had to get himself drunk before he could kill his victims, atleast in the beginning. Note that there's a huge difference between killing because you're drunk, and getting yourself drunk so that you can kill. He knew that he wanted to kill. He had embraced the idea, but when it was time to do it, he was unable to do it. Empathy stopped him, at first. But he found ways to silence it, and then it got easier because it became a habit.
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On February 03 2012 04:55 Kolvacs wrote:Traumatic events in someone's life can change the way a person thinks. Some people take their parent's divorce different then others. Not to say that I think that was the main reason, she may have had some sort of mental disorder that was 'forcing' her to do these things. That being said, I think that this story could be made into an awesome horror movie! Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 04:54 Zinnwaldite wrote:
i kinda wanna fuck her for some reason.. Not going to lie, that 'evil' side of women is pretty attractive.
no it's not attractive at all, you are fucked up
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On February 04 2012 06:36 ninini wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 00:03 nihlon wrote:On February 03 2012 23:52 ninini wrote:
Noone is born without empathy. A person who seems to have no empathy have just rejected those thoughts. Of course this is easier to do for some, but there is no such thing as a person who has no feelings. There are many environmental causes which could make it tempting to reject empathy, and I think it's more common than ppl think. The reason why this case is so rare is because she's part of two extreme categories, since she also have a obsession about killing things. I mean, just because you reject empathy doesn't mean that you want to kill others. Maybe if you had something to gain from it, but not completely mindlessly like in this case.
It's pretty obvious that the step-father had some influence here. That's a rather simplistic view. How do you know none is born without empathy? Empathy goes hand to hand with spirituality. If you reject your sense of spirituality, you reject your ability to feel empathy.
So, you are making a statement that has no basis in facts  As an atheist, who does not believe in anything supernatural, I reject your statement as absurd.
But I empathize with your need to make a case for religious people like yourself being superior to others
Just kidding
But i think that the existence of humanism disproves your point.
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Now Hollywood has some material for a franchise their milking on.
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On a serious note, there is something wrong with our society that we have managed to leap beyond what is even socially imaginable in terms of taboo and morality. We need a deep societal cleansing and start to fact these issues sooner than later.
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Don't think it is an innate madness.
I'm pretty sure it has to do with something on his early childhood (<10 years), some kind of fucked up sexual and physological abuse.
Recent studies have shown humans aren't born some way, but instead brough up to it (like violence, abuse, enviorment)
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On February 04 2012 07:28 Rafael wrote:
Don't think it is an innate madness.
I'm pretty sure it has to do with something on his early childhood (<10 years), some kind of fucked up sexual and physological abuse.
Recent studies have shown humans aren't born some way, but instead brough up to it (like violence, abuse, enviorment)
I don't know enough about the case to make any kind of judgement, but a priori dismissing genetic disorders and disease as a reason for being so messed up seems hasty.
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On February 04 2012 07:28 Rafael wrote:Recent studies have shown humans aren't born some way, but instead brough up to it (like violence, abuse, enviorment)
The idea that a person is born as a tabula rasa, an empty canvas, has been rejected long ago. This of course doesn't mean that people are born exactly some way and stay that way, but genes and other things that matter before you're born do have an effect.
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Innately violent? Perhaps innately sociopathic, which is possible, I guess. Perhaps she's just a child with a missing childhood. I remember watching a documentary about a girl with a seriously deranged family that was put up for adoption and ended up almost killing her infantile brother multiple times with bladed weapons... who just got better with a more structured fulfilling life.
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 03 2012 05:07 danl9rm wrote:The Bible says that all humans are born into sin, separated from God, and thus capable of these atrocities. All of us. However, due to the rare nature of this story, it is certainly intriguing. I am reminded of Mark 5:1-20, when Jesus casts demons out of a man. Show nested quote +However, the prosecution could not satisfactorily explain how Katie, who weighed 8st 8lbs, was dragged across a pavement and around a corner by a 12-year-old girl. 3 This man lived in the tombs, and no one could bind him anymore, not even with a chain. 4 For he had often been chained hand and foot, but he tore the chains apart and broke the irons on his feet. No one was strong enough to subdue him. 5 Night and day among the tombs and in the hills he would cry out and cut himself with stones. Show nested quote +While awaiting trial, she was sent to an assessment centre where she tried to strangle two members of staff. Matthew 8:28 They were so violent that no one could pass that way. Obviously there are differences, but the similarities are eerie.
thank you for enlightining us, mr.prophet.
on topic; these things can always happen, its not much shocking to me donno why but todays world is producing far worse stuff than this even. oh also i strongly disagree with the fact that people can be born with mental illness regarding these stuff. imho, no one is a natural born killer, people adopt and inherit those stuff during their lifetime some way around in their enviorement that they have to live in..
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This girl must have played a lot GTA or something.
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On February 04 2012 07:03 aebriol wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 06:36 ninini wrote:On February 04 2012 00:03 nihlon wrote:On February 03 2012 23:52 ninini wrote:
Noone is born without empathy. A person who seems to have no empathy have just rejected those thoughts. Of course this is easier to do for some, but there is no such thing as a person who has no feelings. There are many environmental causes which could make it tempting to reject empathy, and I think it's more common than ppl think. The reason why this case is so rare is because she's part of two extreme categories, since she also have a obsession about killing things. I mean, just because you reject empathy doesn't mean that you want to kill others. Maybe if you had something to gain from it, but not completely mindlessly like in this case.
It's pretty obvious that the step-father had some influence here. That's a rather simplistic view. How do you know none is born without empathy? Empathy goes hand to hand with spirituality. If you reject your sense of spirituality, you reject your ability to feel empathy. So, you are making a statement that has no basis in facts As an atheist, who does not believe in anything supernatural, I reject your statement as absurd. But I empathize with your need to make a case for religious people like yourself being superior to others Just kidding But i think that the existence of humanism disproves your point.
Atheism has nothing to do with belief of the supernatural, and spirituality involves more than religion.
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On February 04 2012 09:04 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 07:03 aebriol wrote:On February 04 2012 06:36 ninini wrote:On February 04 2012 00:03 nihlon wrote:On February 03 2012 23:52 ninini wrote:
Noone is born without empathy. A person who seems to have no empathy have just rejected those thoughts. Of course this is easier to do for some, but there is no such thing as a person who has no feelings. There are many environmental causes which could make it tempting to reject empathy, and I think it's more common than ppl think. The reason why this case is so rare is because she's part of two extreme categories, since she also have a obsession about killing things. I mean, just because you reject empathy doesn't mean that you want to kill others. Maybe if you had something to gain from it, but not completely mindlessly like in this case.
It's pretty obvious that the step-father had some influence here. That's a rather simplistic view. How do you know none is born without empathy? Empathy goes hand to hand with spirituality. If you reject your sense of spirituality, you reject your ability to feel empathy. So, you are making a statement that has no basis in facts As an atheist, who does not believe in anything supernatural, I reject your statement as absurd. But I empathize with your need to make a case for religious people like yourself being superior to others Just kidding But i think that the existence of humanism disproves your point. Atheism has nothing to do with belief of the supernatural, and spirituality involves more than religion.
Which was why I specified 'as an atheist who does not believe in anything supernatural'. Now that would tend to include a disbelief in everything spiritual - agreed?
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Wow....how can someone get so fu**ed up?
At that age a little girl should be enjoying a careless life... not going around killing someone.
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On February 04 2012 09:23 bLooD. wrote:
Wow....how can someone get so fu**ed up?
At that age a little girl should be enjoying a careless life... not going around killing someone.
There's probably no difference there for her.
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It reminds me a lot of the Ted Bundy case. I guess some people are just born (or nurtured?) to be like that. With 6,500,000,000,000 people in the world, it's inevitable you're going to get a few.
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" I am a killer. Killing is my business - and business is good."
Megadeth fan...nice
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The first thing that came to my mind was: Hannibal.
I actually find it very interesting how people can be driven to do things like that... now I want to become a psychiatrist.
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On February 04 2012 09:31 CluEleSs_UK wrote:
It reminds me a lot of the Ted Bundy case. I guess some people are just born (or nurtured?) to be like that. With 6,500,000,000,000 people in the world, it's inevitable you're going to get a few.
No wonder I've been feeling smushed lately...
Regardless of whether it was society's fault, or whether she was just an abberation, this girl should be kept away from the public for a long time, either to rehab, or to keep the public safe. I mean, I don't even want to be in the same room as someone who thinks she enjoys killing people. Except my girlfriend. But that's our own thing.
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On February 04 2012 09:48 Chunhyang wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 09:31 CluEleSs_UK wrote:
It reminds me a lot of the Ted Bundy case. I guess some people are just born (or nurtured?) to be like that. With 6,500,000,000,000 people in the world, it's inevitable you're going to get a few. No wonder I've been feeling smushed lately... Regardless of whether it was society's fault, or whether she was just an abberation, this girl should be kept away from the public for a long time, either to rehab, or to keep the public safe. I mean, I don't even want to be in the same room as someone who thinks she enjoys killing people. Except my girlfriend. But that's our own thing.
6.5 trillion? O_o
Also, your gf enjoys killing people? Interesting, please go on.
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