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On January 29 2012 12:41 white_horse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 09:28 PhiliBiRD wrote:
pretty stupid imo
this is 100% the parents job and no one elses I know this is a popular knee-jerk response to news of laws that ban X or restrict Y, but the reason why the government is stepping up is because parents aren't doing their jobs. Parents are the first line of defense when it comes to things like child obesity or game addiction because they have the most power to control these things but when they don't (and they obviously aren't in this situation) the public sector should be next in line to try to curb negative health effects when it comes to children. Blame the parents for not doing their job, not the government for trying to do something. This is a much more serious issue than people think it is. Raising a kid is tough work and there are less and less parents these days that live up the required responsibility and discipline. edit: lobbying is illegal in Korea for those that might care.
Adding onto what white_horse is saying:
Parents are the ones who are supposed to do the job.
Parents let a child die while playing video games in Korea
hmm?
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Well, on the off chance that this eventually passes and drives Korean players onto NA or EU servers, it would probably be incredibally beneficial to the non-korean scene
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On January 29 2012 14:10 Wolvmatt. wrote:
My grandfather stepped on a landmine in the Korean War. I'd like to think he didn't die so that you guys could oppress your citizens. I'm personally offended by this ridiculous, tyrannical proposition.
You might as well just rejoin with North Korea if you're going to pull this totalitarian bullshit.
You have no idea what the word "totalitarian" means if you think the worst it can do is limit the video game play time of minors. Let's keep that in mind here, folks. It's not as though they're limiting the rights of full grown adult citizens. The parallels between that and having a "drinking age" seem pretty consistent if you buy that gaming is an addiction.
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how can even police this is beyond me. pointless law
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On January 28 2012 23:04 Soleron wrote:
Doesn't Kespa have any lobbying power? If Korea wants the world to see their culture through Starcraft, this needs to not happen.
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Not really they have k-pop
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If this happens I think a lot of future bonjwas might just disappear.
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That's fucking stupid. Nothing else to say.
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I think it's good actually. As much as gaming for hours is fun, it's not exactly the best thing you can do for multiple reasons.
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I'd like to say it's stupid but korea has a gaming problem
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On February 01 2012 10:33 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
I think it's good actually. As much as gaming for hours is fun, it's not exactly the best thing you can do for multiple reasons.
Why does the government decide what you can do and how much? It's your life and not their life.
Some people don't have alot of hobbies or friends just think about that (no troll).
Also gaming for more then 3 hours doesn't affect you at all.
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On January 28 2012 23:21 HaXXspetten wrote:
Why is the government trying to play parents? It's up to every mother and father to decide these kind of things.
How naïve was that... If in a country, online gaming spreads and becomes too popular amongst very young population, it is dangerous for lots of them, because they dont have the experience to yet decide if it is good for them. And of course it should be parents task, but we dont live in a perfect world, far from it, some kids reject completely their parents authority and there is nothing they can do, some others just got really naive and too nice parents who cant tell to their kid when to stop.
It is weird to see a government getting into this, but frankly it is a good thing. There is this unlimited devotion that tend to be noticed in some rare cases in Asia, where kids end up dead because they forget to eat playing online. China, South Korea, this happened, more than other countries, if it can be avoided and regulated, it's sad that it has to come to such measures, but some 14 years old kid could ruin their lives isolating themselves on games.
And yeah some completely responsible and wise young men will get fucked by these laws, including many progamers, for who there should be some special legislation status about those things, when you win as much as MVP or Nestea, you cant deny it is a working category with specific needs.
But I gotta say, if it can save some illusioned kids, or even the ones that are badly living their teenage years and invest all their life into games, fuck yeah it's worth it if it can save a few
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if someone dies from playing video games because they don't eat or drink for like 3 days or whatever, then they are very unintelligent and i would not want that person to be driving a motor vehicle or anything like that. they deserve a darwin award...
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My philosophy is that government is too incompetent to try to parent someone, if the parents failed, that person is fucked, no law is gonna save you from bad parenting.
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How to they actually enforce this? I don't see how they can possibly know how much time someone is gaming, let a lot whether or not the person online is a minor.
Does anyone know how they do/plan to do it? Or is this something that wont really be enforced.
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This shouldn't be happening in the first place unless the parents are worthless and spend no time with their kids every night with work as an excuse. Korean are clueless as to why kids are playing so much games. This kind of law would makes China seem like Hippy state ran by Canadian radicals compared to S.Korea. Disappointed and irresponsible parenting should be to blame here.
Also the Korean MMO industry is far from blame either, if anyone has played any of them before you would know the excruciating amount of grinding time these game forces the player to commit to in order to stay competitive in the gaming world. Think WoW except it takes 3-4 times longer to get item you want, and better/more competitive pvp, resulting in a gear grinding "arms race."
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On January 29 2012 02:14 DDie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 02:09 Tiegrr wrote:On January 29 2012 02:08 DDie wrote:On January 29 2012 02:03 Tiegrr wrote:On January 29 2012 01:22 pebblebeach wrote:
It's a good law, there's no point in having people waste their lives playing games when they should be studying and making their path in the world. Do you consider professional athletes not making their path in the world either? You could say they're wasting their lives practicing and exercising for sports events that have nothing to do with life other than for entertainment. Sure you can say they're "exercising and being healthy", but you can do that by going to the gym for 1-2 hours a day and eating well. What I'm saying is that e-sports and physical sport athletes are very similar in that they contribute to entertainment in their own careers and your argument doesn't make any sense. 11 year old kid football training: 3 hours a day, at best. 11 year old ''progammer'': 8 hours a day, in a bad day. I don't know a single 11 year old pro gamer. Do you? Youngest I've ever seen is 14. And there's kids that practice American Football after school and before school everyday for up to 4 hours. (I won't compare other sports because I don't have any experience in those.) Thats why i used the '' ''. Progaming is very, VERY different than other sports because it is a lot harder to make a living of it, it requires a lot more work than other sports,(a footballer doesn't train +10 hours a day, those are normal for a progamer), not to mention you have to be the absolute best to make it big. What i mean is, you can't compare them, they are different situations.
Clearly you have never played professional football or aspired to become a professional footballer. These kids do nothing but practice all day, they go to special schools where they only follow 1-2 lessons a day. They have practice in the morning, the afternoon and most of the time they have to take some running schedules in the late afternoon-evening. For the rest of the time they're busy with their sport in another way, strategy, media training, relaxation (masseusing etc) and are worrying about their diets. If you are an aspiring professional football player, you have time for basically NOTHING else. You can't go out with your friends, you can't have a beer, you are training basically the entire day except for a few hours of school. They also have a very tight sleeping schedule, their lives in fact gets regulated so much by the club they're registered with.
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On July 12 2012 00:59 wcr.4fun wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 02:14 DDie wrote:On January 29 2012 02:09 Tiegrr wrote:On January 29 2012 02:08 DDie wrote:On January 29 2012 02:03 Tiegrr wrote:On January 29 2012 01:22 pebblebeach wrote:
It's a good law, there's no point in having people waste their lives playing games when they should be studying and making their path in the world. Do you consider professional athletes not making their path in the world either? You could say they're wasting their lives practicing and exercising for sports events that have nothing to do with life other than for entertainment. Sure you can say they're "exercising and being healthy", but you can do that by going to the gym for 1-2 hours a day and eating well. What I'm saying is that e-sports and physical sport athletes are very similar in that they contribute to entertainment in their own careers and your argument doesn't make any sense. 11 year old kid football training: 3 hours a day, at best. 11 year old ''progammer'': 8 hours a day, in a bad day. I don't know a single 11 year old pro gamer. Do you? Youngest I've ever seen is 14. And there's kids that practice American Football after school and before school everyday for up to 4 hours. (I won't compare other sports because I don't have any experience in those.) Thats why i used the '' ''. Progaming is very, VERY different than other sports because it is a lot harder to make a living of it, it requires a lot more work than other sports,(a footballer doesn't train +10 hours a day, those are normal for a progamer), not to mention you have to be the absolute best to make it big. What i mean is, you can't compare them, they are different situations. Clearly you have never played professional football or aspired to become a professional footballer. These kids do nothing but practice all day, they go to special schools where they only follow 1-2 lessons a day. They have practice in the morning, the afternoon and most of the time they have to take some running schedules in the late afternoon-evening. For the rest of the time they're busy with their sport in another way, strategy, media training, relaxation (masseusing etc) and are worrying about their diets. If you are an aspiring professional football player, you have time for basically NOTHING else. You can't go out with your friends, you can't have a beer, you are training basically the entire day except for a few hours of school. They also have a very tight sleeping schedule, their lives in fact gets regulated so much by the club they're registered with.
I know a couple of people in my college who are on the college football team. And...yea that is a bit overexaggerated.
They do have time to enjoy themselves else it would be counterproductive for the body and health.
On a very blunt note:
Progammers tend to spend more time of their day to practice their craft than athletes. HOWEVER I am not saying one is better than the other. That would be me stating oranges are better than apples (although I do like oranges more than apples).
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