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^_^. i like the ring, by the way. is that a wedding band, quesadilla?
On January 04 2013 15:32 iamahydralisk wrote:
I mostly just want to diversify (so I'd also be happy with some nice slim straight fit jeans), but I'm also definitely getting more into boots lately. I just feel bad having literally two pairs of jeans that I like and I'd like to branch out some more. I'll check out gap when I've got some more spending money and I'll keep hitting thrift stores in hopes that I'll find something nice. Thanks for all the tips.
Yeah try to find a nice pair of chinos then. Depending on if its colder where you are, you can always just get some kind of pants that's thicker. I have a pair of canvas pants (though still cotton) that's a little thicker, for example. Don't be worried about boots, you can tuck in slimmer jeans under them just fine. Best of luck ^____^
now why does no one make slimmer cut sweat pants -_- .
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On January 04 2013 15:23 Quesadilla wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 12:26 andyrau wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 10:06 Quesadilla wrote:On January 04 2013 09:08 andyrau wrote:On January 04 2013 08:48 Zambrah wrote:
Andyrau, Quesadilla wasn't really saying his 1) - 5), so much as concentrating the general posting into those criteria, which while not wholly accurate does give a good idea as to the content of the thread. Hes really more commenting on the posting atmosphere of the thread than anything else, which I'm compelled to agree with, especially the thread updates, we really could use a more active OP if possible. I know; I'm stating why each of his complaints are wrong and misled. Well, you actually did cross my mind while writing my post, and for good reason it seems––appears clear that you missed the entire point of what I wrote. The tone of your response is EXACTLY what I was addressing here, not so much the content which is your personal opinion that you state as infallible truth and/or counters to my suggestions. Thanks for the confirmation! Additionally, you know nothing about me so all of your personally directed defamation and assumptions are baseless. There isn't need to be so ridiculously defensive here. Although, it does seem like you're reacting as if you felt specifically targeted. I now feel quite affirmed in my original statement. I guess if you think my 'infallible truths' are fallible, please tell me why or state otherwise. frankly, it's all on you if you want to treat my opinions as fact, and I think I make it quite clear that it's an opinion. If you want to complain about advice being given, give a more valid reasons than 'the overall tone is unwelcoming'. The only one I consider to be somewhat viable is that there's only one style being promoted here. I don't participate in a lot of these menswear discussions, so the reason you direct your complaints towards me is quite baffling. I've stated that I'm quite against rules in fashion, so none of what you're saying seems to apply to me. I also don't see where I 'personally defamed' you, I just said your reasons were misled and dumb. stylistically we are different, and that's where our opinions differ. andyrau, If we have different stylistic fundamentals, then why is lamenting about which of my points is "viable", well, viable? My "declaratives" don't reflect my opinions on fashion very well and are in fact gross generalizations to expose a bigger point: staying accessible to other people here on this forum. And no, by any means do I think your opinions are facts. Do not shove words in my mouth. This wasn't directed solely at you by any means, but like I stated before, you were but one to cross my mind when writing and obviously stuck out my head for a reason. However, your reactions are making it seem like I posted your name directly which I flat out didn't do. Why this is all striking such a deep chord with you is beyond me. Again, andyrau, this wasn't to you specifically, no need to freak out. Nonetheless your last sentence should be the undertone of this thread: "Stylistically we are different, and that's where our opinions differ." Great! Anyone and everyone can accept this, even, perhaps, benefit. Thanks, Juliette, for both responding and contributing without scraping sentence-by-sentence for things to be defensive about. Your response is stark. You merely see "what I mean", but would never scare anyone away with a response like that. Unlike SF, this is a Starcraft forum. I have a feeling that a lot of guys here know how to 2-rax Expand but freak out when buying clothes. I think identifying enthusiasts versus casuals is key here. Good fashion for all! (Even H&M) Cheers. ![[image loading]](http://i45.tinypic.com/2q3nbrq.jpg)
I was actually going to write a serious reply about how my prior reply was more about the contributors here more than myself, and how broad your complaints were and have really nothing to do with fashion as a whole, but then I scrolled down.
anyways it seems like we're not getting through to one another so I'll just let it drop.
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Hey any tips on buying my first good suit for work. Budget is less than $1000. 6 foot at 175pounds athletic build if that helps.
I've been looking at hugo boss or zegna and prefer to stay away from online buys for first suit. I can definitely feel the quality difference and the fit between lets say moores/tip top tailors and hugo boss/zegna.
I'm looking for advice on some other brands in this price range to look at and what I should be looking at in a quality suit. I read up on how to buy quality suits but its so complicated so just key things to look at is what I'm looking for.
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On January 04 2013 23:15 .Mystic wrote:
Hey any tips on buying my first good suit for work. Budget is less than $1000. 6 foot at 175pounds athletic build if that helps.
I've been looking at hugo boss or zegna and prefer to stay away from online buys for first suit. I can definitely feel the quality difference and the fit between lets say moores/tip top tailors and hugo boss/zegna.
I'm looking for advice on some other brands in this price range to look at and what I should be looking at in a quality suit. I read up on how to buy quality suits but its so complicated so just key things to look at is what I'm looking for.
What is 'work?'
1. Go to a nearby department store.
2. Try on suits in an array of sizes. Even if you get measured as a 46, try on 44 and 48s in the regular, short, and long versions. Different brands and styles fit differently, so the size on the tag is just a guideline.
3. Choose the one that has the best fit across the shoulders and chest. This is the most important part of the suit as it is the one thing that is (basically) impossible to alter.
4. Take your suit to a reputable, experienced tailor. The pants will most likely need a hem. Ask for little to no break and wear your dress shoes when the tailor does the measurement. For the jacket:
a. Shortened - you probably wont need this with your build, but if you do it can be taken up by 3-4cm. You should be able to curl the tips of your fingers around the hem of the jacket, and it should cover most/all of your butt.
b. Waist taken in
c. sleeves shortened. You should show about an inch of shirt cuff while your arms rest at your sides
5. Enjoy!
I highly recommend a grey suit for a first buy. It's incredibly versatile and can be dressed up or down. Pretty much the only place it is not appropriate is black tie events. This time of year (go to the store tomorrow if you can) is AMAZING for sales. It might be possible to grab a high quality suit for $300 (USD). I seriously would not spend more than $600 on a suit for your first time. Expect anywhere from $50 to $100 in tailoring.
You can also get measured and try bonobos.com. My post-tailoring suit gets complimented every time that I wear it. They have free delivery and returns so you can try on as many sizes as you want, and all of the suits are 'separates' so you can always get the appropriate pants size.
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Signaling JWD for the suit question
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Zurich15324 Posts
In an effort to better the quality of this thread: Who would volunteer to take over the OP? Responsibilities:
- Regularly check the thread
- Link to quality posts
- Compile a FAQ from the thread
- Compile a list of useful links / resources
- Whatever else you can think of
I am sure many here would be willing to help with the above so it wouldn't be all up to the one who takes over the OP.
Please PM.
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thanks Juliette. the signals work!
@Mystic: Bigtony gives you good advice, especially about the jacket fitting you in the shoulder and chest. for someone with an athletic build (I assume this means broad shoulder/chest) you really need to forget about what the jacket looks like around your natural waist (narrowest part of your body) and focus on the fit around your shoulders and chest—you can have the waist taken in easily. make sure that, at your shoulders, there is no fabric hanging loose off the very end of the jacket's shoulder—you should not be able to reach around to the outside of the very top of your arm and push in the fabric and feel no resistance. the seam should hit you right at the corner of your shoulder. also, for someone with broad shoulders I really advise buying a jacket without any shoulder pads (or less structure) because you do not NEED that enhancement and it can easily look like too much.
I would make 2 edits to Bigtony's post though:
1. 1'' shirt cuff showing is way too much. I think about 1/2'' is just right, depending on how tall you are. here is how much cuff I show
2. the jacket MUST cover ALL of your ass!
other notes:
- how much time do you have? if you have time, the best suit you can buy for under $1000 will almost certainly be something you thrift (eBay!) and then have many careful alterations done to. this is simply because for under $1k your options for fabric quality and construction quality on an off-the-rack suit are limited (that's not to say that you can't get a good-looking OTR suit at this price)
- do not buy a jacket without real arm hole buttons
- be wary of trousers with low (ok, low to me means average waist today) waists. they look sloppy with a jacket IMO. I think a good rule is that it should not be possible for any part of your shirt to be showing below your first suit button, when your suit is buttoned (even if you draw the lower part of the jacket back by putting your hand in your pants pocket e.g.)
- http://www.voxsartoria.com/tagged/voxsartoria/page/2 ← page through and look at how his jackets fit. this is a guy to emulate (he has his lapels a tad bit wide for my taste but that is mostly a matter of personal preference)
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Thx BigTony and JWD, awsome advice
Found out my size is a 40R, my shoulders fit just about right. It was a little hard ignoring the waist of the jacket, it made me look wierd but when the tailor pinned the sides, it gave me a nice V shape. I have about 1 month but I'm not entirely too confident buying from eBay. I tried on BB,boss, zegna and quality suits definetly make a difference over Moores/tip top tailers etc.
@JWD: do you know a good store off eBay to check out, I don't want to end up buying crap.
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I would recommend against buying off ebay until you are 100% comfortable with your EXACT measurements. To further complicate things, different sellers measure their stuff differently, and you have to be very careful and attentive, or youll end up with a suit that doesnt fit. Make sure you know your measurements down to the quarter inch (or less) before you throw a huge chunk of cash on an item you may not be able to return. I only trusted myself to ebay suits or sc's after I could list all of my measurements off by heart, and I understood the different measuring techniques.
If you do go the ebay route, I would highly recommend contacting sellers with as many questions as you have about the way they measured it, the exact colour or shade of the suit (as cameras can often make a suit look an entirely different colour from its actual colour), etc...
It is already tough enough to find a great fitting suit OTR when youre physically trying it on, it is even harder to do that while only looking at pictures and numbers. HOWEVER, if you do figure everything out, and you do make a good purchase, nothing can beat the quality-price ratio ebay offers.
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Totally random question:
Does anybody know how the sizes of Asics sneakers usually compare to those of Nike?
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do any of you have recommendations for brands and or specific men's jeans that have thinner denim and some stretch to em? I've come to the realization that I hate 100% cotton jeans and I gotta have something like 99% cotton/1% spandex or lycra to be comfortable. the two brands I've found so far that tend to be stretchier and thinner are matix and american eagle.
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I swear by Bonobos travel jeans. I currently have 4 pairs of them. Great fit, very light, extremely comfortable. I have a referral for 25 off 75 and a bunch of them are on sale right now. If youre interested shoot me a pm!
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On January 08 2013 14:45 Focuspants wrote:
I swear by Bonobos travel jeans. I currently have 4 pairs of them. Great fit, very light, extremely comfortable. I have a referral for 25 off 75 and a bunch of them are on sale right now. If youre interested shoot me a pm!
Just a recommendation based on experience with Bonobos sizing - size down at least an inch (2 if you wear your pants on your hips or prefer a slimmer fit overall). Their jeans are stretchy, especially in the waist and seat. Also, denim tends to stretch out rather than shrink over time. this is the advice they give if you visit their in person guideshops and it held true for me (I wear a 32 in their dress pants but a 30 in their jeans).
I love my jeans from them :D
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On January 09 2013 08:59 Bigtony wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 14:45 Focuspants wrote:
I swear by Bonobos travel jeans. I currently have 4 pairs of them. Great fit, very light, extremely comfortable. I have a referral for 25 off 75 and a bunch of them are on sale right now. If youre interested shoot me a pm! Just a recommendation based on experience with Bonobos sizing - size down at least an inch (2 if you wear your pants on your hips or prefer a slimmer fit overall). Their jeans are stretchy, especially in the waist and seat and denim tends to stretch out rather than shrink over time. this is the advice they give if you visit their in person guideshops and it held true for me (I wear a 32 in their dress pants but a 30 in their jeans. I love my jeans from them :D
Yup, that is exactly what I was going to suggest. I am a 34 in their dress pants and a 32 in the travel jeans. They are soooooo comfortable compared to any jeans ive ever owned.
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On January 07 2013 02:00 JWD wrote:
- do not buy a jacket without real arm hole buttons
Can you elaborate on this? What is the reason for this advice?
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On January 09 2013 10:36 ziggurat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 02:00 JWD wrote:
- do not buy a jacket without real arm hole buttons
Can you elaborate on this? What is the reason for this advice?
- at least at department stores (online sellers and new OTR suit shops are now tricky about this, and will use it to dupe you), real button holes indicate a higher "build quality" for the suit. they're a good proxy for "well-made" in general
- fake buttons are tacky imitations (this is just personal preference). I think there's a lot to be said for wearing "the real thing" as it was originally imagined, rather than a knockoff that someone has made because it is cheaper and most won't know the difference
- need to head wrist deep into some bodily fluids without being able to take off your jacket?? (use your imagination) unbutton those puppies and role up your sleeves
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By real he means functional. It's extremely uncommon for an off the rack suit to have functional wrist buttons on the sleeves. They are an extra expense during tailoring and take more skill to alter; rather than just moving a decorative button they have to alter the opening in the sleeve, etc.
I don't think you'll find a suit for $600 or less with functional wrist buttons, but I could be wrong. I would personally stay away for your first suit. With my very short arms, my sleeves require significant shortening. Unless you are confident in the skills of your tailor, I wouldnt trust them with that kind of job and risk wasting the money on a 'higher quality' suit just for wrist buttons.
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