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On March 29 2013 10:39 im a roc wrote:
So I just found this thread today, and after skimming and looking through the discussions so far, I have to say that I am shocked with how much you guys spend on clothes O.O
I'm not the most fashionable or up to date guy in the world, but I keep my eyes on trends and I certainly know what I can and can't pull off, and I love to dress to make myself look good when I have the chance. That said, almost everything I own is either from Goodwill or Kohl's, and I don't think I own a single article of clothing I've spent more than 40 or 50 bucks on. My most expensive clothes are my Levi's, and I only ever buy new ones when they're on sale and my old ones look too ratty to be stylish anymore.
I think I make my cheap stuff work pretty damn well, at least for the money I spend on it. Am I sorely mislead on what actually is considered fashionable, or are you guys all overspending?
I feel like I have a link in the OP covering this idea, but here's a good quote I found about it.
http://ethandesu.com/post/42885875959/on-fashion-and-shopping
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IS: What about the rumpled aspect of the Old Money Look? Aldrich is ultimately just one man’s opinion, but in his Atlantic Monthly story, he says the great secret about the WASP upper class is the tremendous effort and anxiety goes that goes into appearing nonchalant.
BB: Originally I think that nonchalance comes from a couple of different places. One certainly is quality. It’s better to have one good pair of shoes than a half dozen cheap ones, because the cheap ones look cheap even when they’re new, but the new ones look good even when they’re old. Quality by definition is the best you can get for your money. If you buy a pair of shoes for $500 and they last you 10 years, that’s $50 per year. If you buy a pair for $100 and they last you six months, which was the more expensive? I think the Old Money WASP guys were just cheap, so they always bought the best.
IS: Sure: Yankee frugality.
BB: Yes, that’s what I think it’s about. And the best always is the cheapest, if you have the money to buy it in the first place. The way we do it today is ask how much it costs. Nobody asks how much it costs over its lifetime — it’s just the initial price. And if you only look at the initial price, you’re going to get screwed every time. I think that’s what the Old Money guys thought, and I think they’re right.
If I buy a pair of (quality) shoes for $500, often times the lifetime of the shoe will outlive me. Whereas if I buy a $50 dollar shoe, I'll have it for a year or two and have to throw it away.
Cost over time - each wear means you pay cost / wear. So if I buy these $500 dollar shoes and wear them every day for a year, I pay 500/365 for them and I know that they will last for the next.
That said, not every buy is based on value. "fashion" is a null term here because it's all dependent on what you consider to look good. I hope no one here has bought something just because they saw it was trendy in a magazine. Of course there's a degree of "overspending" because clothing is a consumer good that's subject to markups. But I do hope no one's spending 5k on something they barely wear because someone somewhere said it looked good.
^_^
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Hi! Been lurking this thread for a while, and wanted some advice since this isn't exactly my area of expertise.
I'm going to grad school this fall, and eventually I'll be TAing classes and whatnot. I'd like a nice, dignified look for this endeavour. I have some things I've picked up after some reading, but I'm still in the process of building a wardrobe. I have light blue and white OCBDs and looking to get a light pink one (no pinpoint or poplin shirts yet), knit ties (grey, black with stripes, and a nice wine color), jeans, cords (in grey and brown). I have a blue blazer (which I probably should get tailored or something). No nice shoes currently (I am thinking about brown suede bluchers or oxfords). I also haven't yet looked into chinos (I know Dockers Alpha came recommended, but I haven't had the chance to try them on in-store).
I like the "professor" look - I like herringbone and tweed jackets, but I don't know where's the best place to shop given that I am on a grad student's budget. Also, let me know if there's any other things I may have forgotten, or suggestions on what else would look good for this kind of style.
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Woah super MC. what's the budget and time frame? I feel like you'll end up having to pick all these up over time so you don't wanna kill yourself lol.
make a list of things you plan to buy before you start buying. saves you money. im thinking about my ocbds and trying to push myself in a direction aesthetically and all the ocbds i bought... im going to end up getting rid of everything but 2 blue BBs and a pink rugby. if you don't mind, you can always just have one made by a tailor bespoke. costs quite a bit more but its special. kinda sucks that rugby died actually. that's what i'd recommend for a light pink ocbd. i have yet to find a replacement but i got to see the pink BB one and the shade isn't actually too bad. i'd go with that.
get a solid black knit. i have a navy one myself though. i don't think you need 3 of them. i also don't think you should only wear ocbds exclusively. and if you do you don't need to wear a tie every day.
i can't really help with the cords, but it depends on the cut you want. Alphas are a little baggy for me, but i'm not exactly the biggest guy. get grey flannel trousers.
for shoes, make sure you get good ones. i'll probably end up recommending AE but it depends on your budget.
no idea on jackets either but yes tailor the blazer.
read this guy. he's fantastic and going through his archives i've learned so much. http://asuitablewardrobe.dynend.com/
he's very, very conservative MC, to an extreme but i love a lot of the aspects of how he does things - for example knowing the exact purpose for every article of clothing. I'm about 2.5 years into his archives and its sooo good. he also writes fantastically.
i feel like as a TA/grad student you're overdoing it a bit, but it depends what you plan to do in the future. make sure you dress for your job, so if you're going into a field with this kind of thing being the norm starting now is a great idea.
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Hey folks,
Im working in an office now and I would like to continue wearing nice clothes.
Most people just wear jeans and t-shirts to work so I often feel over dressed in my dress clothes.
I have this niche in my wardrobe between casual and dress which is like beige slacks and button ups that im looking to expand.
I prefer to tuck in with nice belts/dress shoes but im worried I'm looking silly next to my "ironic t-shirt" colleuges.
I'm usually better dressed than my boss as it is... should I be worried?
Any advice/discussion is appreciated, I live in Canada and my budget is pretty loose right now.
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My work place also has next to zero dress code. People show up in T-shirt, sport jerseys, and hoodies. I am usually going with jeans, dress shirt, suit jacket because I also like to dress up a little. Most of the time I skip the dress shoes for boots or more casual leather shoes though.
I guess point being just don't worry about "overdressing", but don't overdo it?
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A word of caution. This is true for most places.
If you want to get your boss's job, or if you want to get promoted, or promoted above your boss, or if you need your boss's recommendation, say, for another job, it is in your best interest not to try to "show him up".
I know of a case where the boss only wears a dress shirt and pants, but his underling wears a full suit with a tie, and it looked really bad on the boss to be underdressed versus the underling, so he asked him to stop dressing up him. Or he could've harbored a grudge. Or he might've not cared. Your call here what might unfold in your case. My friend ditched the tie, so now it's a suit without a tie and it doesn't work as well, so I guess the boss cares less.
So it's important not to dress in a way that makes you look "arrogant", like you're trying to one-up everyone. "Hey look at me, I dress better than you, I am better than you". And it's good not to act in that way as well. ;d
However, I would put a lower end on what I consider looks bad. While the t-shirt look may work for some, some don't like it. In this case, I would definitely say dressing up with slacks and a button-up would not be something that would make you seem too aggressive to your boss, but in any case would make sure you're not fully buttoned up, and see if the untucked look works for you, if you want to stay more casual.
What are your opinions of an undershirt showing under your dress shirt or button-up?
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On April 02 2013 10:19 Blisse wrote:
What are your opinions of an undershirt showing under your dress shirt or button-up?
its like panty lines but worse because you can do something about it and not inconvenience yourself
dont have your undershirt showing. it's underwear.
you're right though, if you're just starting out it's probably a bad idea to overshadow your boss. but i mean, if no one cares and if he's not too upset by it do what you like.
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I'd argue that brown is safer. You wear more colors than greys and black/white during the day.
Also the chart doesn't account for the time of day - blacks work best in the night or dim light in general. There's also the manner of suede vs calf, suede is more appropriate for the day because it tends to absorb light.
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Thanks for the answers.
I'm not that worried about "showing up" my boss with how I dress, hes a cool guy.
Now for the fun part.
Any recomendations on where to buy new slacks and button ups for the office?
I have a tall, (formerly) athletic build and I prefer button ups with a little fit around the chest.
Ill take recomendations for shoes too ><
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give specifics please
height, weight, chest size (maybe waist size too) are all very useful to gauge what cut shirt is good.
what kind of pants do you want, material wise? Wool trousers, just some chinos, etc. Is there a certain cut you'd like as well? Are your legs big or large or?
Also, price range.
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On April 04 2013 07:23 Juliette wrote:
give specifics please
height, weight, chest size (maybe waist size too) are all very useful to gauge what cut shirt is good.
what kind of pants do you want, material wise? Wool trousers, just some chinos, etc. Is there a certain cut you'd like as well? Are your legs big or large or?
Also, price range.
I'm 6'2 190lbs 42"/34"
I'm very open to suggestions so I dont want to be too specific but I was thinking just some chinos, my legs arn't large... id say medium average.
I would like to get a couple outfits for 200-400$CAN depending on how much I like them ><
EDIT: actually my last suit was 40" chest its more like 40"/34"
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On March 29 2013 11:33 Juliette wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 10:39 im a roc wrote:
So I just found this thread today, and after skimming and looking through the discussions so far, I have to say that I am shocked with how much you guys spend on clothes O.O
I'm not the most fashionable or up to date guy in the world, but I keep my eyes on trends and I certainly know what I can and can't pull off, and I love to dress to make myself look good when I have the chance. That said, almost everything I own is either from Goodwill or Kohl's, and I don't think I own a single article of clothing I've spent more than 40 or 50 bucks on. My most expensive clothes are my Levi's, and I only ever buy new ones when they're on sale and my old ones look too ratty to be stylish anymore.
I think I make my cheap stuff work pretty damn well, at least for the money I spend on it. Am I sorely mislead on what actually is considered fashionable, or are you guys all overspending? I feel like I have a link in the OP covering this idea, but here's a good quote I found about it. http://ethandesu.com/post/42885875959/on-fashion-and-shopping+ Show Spoiler +
IS: What about the rumpled aspect of the Old Money Look? Aldrich is ultimately just one man’s opinion, but in his Atlantic Monthly story, he says the great secret about the WASP upper class is the tremendous effort and anxiety goes that goes into appearing nonchalant.
BB: Originally I think that nonchalance comes from a couple of different places. One certainly is quality. It’s better to have one good pair of shoes than a half dozen cheap ones, because the cheap ones look cheap even when they’re new, but the new ones look good even when they’re old. Quality by definition is the best you can get for your money. If you buy a pair of shoes for $500 and they last you 10 years, that’s $50 per year. If you buy a pair for $100 and they last you six months, which was the more expensive? I think the Old Money WASP guys were just cheap, so they always bought the best.
IS: Sure: Yankee frugality.
BB: Yes, that’s what I think it’s about. And the best always is the cheapest, if you have the money to buy it in the first place. The way we do it today is ask how much it costs. Nobody asks how much it costs over its lifetime — it’s just the initial price. And if you only look at the initial price, you’re going to get screwed every time. I think that’s what the Old Money guys thought, and I think they’re right.
If I buy a pair of (quality) shoes for $500, often times the lifetime of the shoe will outlive me. Whereas if I buy a $50 dollar shoe, I'll have it for a year or two and have to throw it away. Cost over time - each wear means you pay cost / wear. So if I buy these $500 dollar shoes and wear them every day for a year, I pay 500/365 for them and I know that they will last for the next. That said, not every buy is based on value. "fashion" is a null term here because it's all dependent on what you consider to look good. I hope no one here has bought something just because they saw it was trendy in a magazine. Of course there's a degree of "overspending" because clothing is a consumer good that's subject to markups. But I do hope no one's spending 5k on something they barely wear because someone somewhere said it looked good. ^_^
I've heard the shoe argument over a hundred times, but I really don't think nicer shoes are better *economically*.
$500 shoes can supposedly last ten years, or even a life time, but that requires another pair of shoes in rotation, well, because you are never supposed to wear them consecutively. You'd better buy a pair of shoe trees as well, and while you are at it, you need at minimum conditioner to keep the leather supple. Oh and of course, they don't actually last ten years, because you need to get them resoled once every two years at the longest. Cheaper option is your local cobbler, but if you spent $500 on them in the first place, you probably want to send them back to their original maker. Aside from AE and Alden, that most likely means international shipping and probably a month without your shoes.
If you buy a pair of Cole Haan for $100 on sale, they actually last quite a long time. Every shoe snob will say they only last six months or a year, but really, if you have another pair on rotation, they will last a long time as well. They will likely be rubber soled, which means you can wear them in any weather without fear of ruining the sole, or falling and dying!
Yes, expensive shoes will look nicer, and are probably overall more 'worth it'. But purely from a money perspective, I can never buy the argument that expensive shoes are better 'investments'.
edit: that was just a really random rant, I'm seriously all for expensive shoes
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Hello,
I was wondering if you guys could help me change my look.I've mostly gone with the skater type of clothing. I need some advice on some clothes that would fit my body type. I wear a size 34-36 jean, but I have a big butt so it depends on the make. Right now I have some american eagle jeans and the original straight type works well and I wear medium-large shirts. I'm open to new things, but I typically like light/dark blue jeans. I've always really liked wearing sweatshirts. Ideally 60$ CAN for 1 piece of clothing, I have no idea what prices are like so i'm open to suggestions.
Thanks for the help in advanced!
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On April 04 2013 23:49 Cambium wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 11:33 Juliette wrote:On March 29 2013 10:39 im a roc wrote:
So I just found this thread today, and after skimming and looking through the discussions so far, I have to say that I am shocked with how much you guys spend on clothes O.O
I'm not the most fashionable or up to date guy in the world, but I keep my eyes on trends and I certainly know what I can and can't pull off, and I love to dress to make myself look good when I have the chance. That said, almost everything I own is either from Goodwill or Kohl's, and I don't think I own a single article of clothing I've spent more than 40 or 50 bucks on. My most expensive clothes are my Levi's, and I only ever buy new ones when they're on sale and my old ones look too ratty to be stylish anymore.
I think I make my cheap stuff work pretty damn well, at least for the money I spend on it. Am I sorely mislead on what actually is considered fashionable, or are you guys all overspending? I feel like I have a link in the OP covering this idea, but here's a good quote I found about it. http://ethandesu.com/post/42885875959/on-fashion-and-shopping+ Show Spoiler +
IS: What about the rumpled aspect of the Old Money Look? Aldrich is ultimately just one man’s opinion, but in his Atlantic Monthly story, he says the great secret about the WASP upper class is the tremendous effort and anxiety goes that goes into appearing nonchalant.
BB: Originally I think that nonchalance comes from a couple of different places. One certainly is quality. It’s better to have one good pair of shoes than a half dozen cheap ones, because the cheap ones look cheap even when they’re new, but the new ones look good even when they’re old. Quality by definition is the best you can get for your money. If you buy a pair of shoes for $500 and they last you 10 years, that’s $50 per year. If you buy a pair for $100 and they last you six months, which was the more expensive? I think the Old Money WASP guys were just cheap, so they always bought the best.
IS: Sure: Yankee frugality.
BB: Yes, that’s what I think it’s about. And the best always is the cheapest, if you have the money to buy it in the first place. The way we do it today is ask how much it costs. Nobody asks how much it costs over its lifetime — it’s just the initial price. And if you only look at the initial price, you’re going to get screwed every time. I think that’s what the Old Money guys thought, and I think they’re right.
If I buy a pair of (quality) shoes for $500, often times the lifetime of the shoe will outlive me. Whereas if I buy a $50 dollar shoe, I'll have it for a year or two and have to throw it away. Cost over time - each wear means you pay cost / wear. So if I buy these $500 dollar shoes and wear them every day for a year, I pay 500/365 for them and I know that they will last for the next. That said, not every buy is based on value. "fashion" is a null term here because it's all dependent on what you consider to look good. I hope no one here has bought something just because they saw it was trendy in a magazine. Of course there's a degree of "overspending" because clothing is a consumer good that's subject to markups. But I do hope no one's spending 5k on something they barely wear because someone somewhere said it looked good. ^_^ I've heard the shoe argument over a hundred times, but I really don't think nicer shoes are better *economically*. $500 shoes can supposedly last ten years, or even a life time, but that requires another pair of shoes in rotation, well, because you are never supposed to wear them consecutively. You'd better buy a pair of shoe trees as well, and while you are at it, you need at minimum conditioner to keep the leather supple. Oh and of course, they don't actually last ten years, because you need to get them resoled once every two years at the longest. Cheaper option is your local cobbler, but if you spent $500 on them in the first place, you probably want to send them back to their original maker. Aside from AE and Alden, that most likely means international shipping and probably a month without your shoes. If you buy a pair of Cole Haan for $100 on sale, they actually last quite a long time. Every shoe snob will say they only last six months or a year, but really, if you have another pair on rotation, they will last a long time as well. They will likely be rubber soled, which means you can wear them in any weather without fear of ruining the sole, or falling and dying! Yes, expensive shoes will look nicer, and are probably overall more 'worth it'. But purely from a money perspective, I can never buy the argument that expensive shoes are better 'investments'. edit: that was just a really random rant, I'm seriously all for expensive shoes
A fair point. Each person can decide their own investments and it's actually better that you have your own opinion on it.
I guess to address the original point (on spending more than $50 on clothes), it's because I like the offerings. I actually haven't bought $500 shoes because I don't need at at this stage in life, but for example, the offerings of my APCs at $170 outweigh those of my $45 Levis, even though I could have 4 pairs of those. The whole raw denim thing is just awesome to me in concept because your jeans really become your jeans, and you can really wear them until they're so torn up you can't.
So i guess the answer is that I just like clothes. Although depending on the range and item, and your lifestyle, it's completely worth an investment. An $80 BBOCBD (by the way the black fleece ones are on sale) far outweighs a $30 walmart one in quality, or something like that.
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Hi,
i have a big problem. I wear always some baggy pants and now my old pants looks really tattered and washed out, so i need new ones.
But my problem is that i dont find an shop to buy these kind of baggys i like in germany so maybe anybody can help me with an shop from USA/UK or somewhere else. I searched for 4hours on google but i dont found any shops outside of germany/austria/switzerland maybe im doing it wrong or google likes to fuck me up X_x
An good opinion about what im search is more or less this video from nelly:
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I dont like blank pants, i like it when anything is on it some letters or something similiar things. And the it must not be very oversized. im an pretty normal guy that only like pants that are not too tight with some cool things on it =)
I know not anybody like this style but maybe anybody can help me with my problem and dont post some stupid comments with flames ._.
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http://www.urbanoutfitters.com/urban/catalog/productdetail.jsp?id=24232720
iAmWaKai - invest in a pair of raw denim. do some research. we also have a TL thread but its kinda dead so you can direct questions here. Pricy though, but it's much easier to get one item that looks good and build around it.
ComaDose none of the pants I wear are really appropriate in an office so it's a little difficult for me to recommend pants. Shirting wise, get some OCBDs from some normal places perhaps (I still recommend BB - they're having a lot of their Black Fleece pieces designed by Thom Browne on sale, and at $78 the shirts are cheaper than the regular ones), if you don't want to tuck in, maybe uniqlo? I have a jcrew one that's not too bad fit wise.
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^fit for bbbf? Looking at the numbers, I'm probably BB3 (16-34), but where do they stand comparative to BB traditional shirts? Slim fits me rather well.
I'm 5'11 and 175 lb, 31 waist and 40 chest, very athletic build. I'm going to have to get them shipped to Japan, so returns will be expensive, unfortunately =/
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