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On January 23 2012 11:18 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 07:18 Yggdrazil wrote:Bah, Simply let them shut down every single d/l website. When all will be down, they'll happily discover that the movie/music sales won't climb at all, as nowadays people are mostly poor and have no way of paying that much for movie/music... Imagine the look on their faces  10 Points for Gryffindor! At least you acknowledge that you pirate to save yourself the money. The vast majority of people posting nonsense about pirating to avoid DRM, because of ease of use/access (because a short trip to a fucking store, or the official website, is so horrendously onerous LOL), unavailability, or better yet "freedom of speech", are absolutely kidding themselves. The sense of entitlement is ridiculous. Just because someone produces a product, does not affordyou some god-given right to consume it. They set their terms of sale. If you don't like it, live without it.
I agree. Economics is a major reason for for this enjoyment of free things in the internet. I don't want to spend money if I can find things I need in the internet.
But you have to look at it at the larger picture. Entitlement is one way to put it, but there are greater socioeconomic issues at hand that you cant deny, such us 1. how do assign value to information and 2. how much profit do these "creators" of content, including musicians, producers, publishers, etc need?
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On January 23 2012 16:13 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 16:06 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 15:34 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 15:17 Brett wrote:You say your personal experience of inconvenience is 'point(ing) out that (the) argument (that piracy is about money) is weak'. I'm pointing out that this new found convenience is exactly that, new, and that piracy was still rampant before trackers and sites like Megaupload and co. existed, which undermines your entire argument. Therefore, I return to the position that it's for the most part about money. I'm not speaking about you specifically, but piracy as a whole. I'm also saying that you, and others like you, who display a disposition for disobeying anti-piracy law in order to spare yourself the cost or inconvenience and complain when these avenues are removed obviously do feel entitled to have these products as if they are some right... God forbid you go without something. On January 23 2012 15:10 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 15:01 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 14:49 skyR wrote:
You're talking about games. I'm talking about music and video. There is no Steam in the music industry and there is no Steam in the video industry (you can argue Netflix but it's library is still dwarfed by private trackers). That's why I said that a platform LIKE steam would be ideal. Seriously, now I know why jibba was mad, for gods sake read before you post. I was replying to the person who quoted you, I didn't actually read whatever post he quoted you for. And I did specifically referred to music and made no mention of games until you decided to unnecessarily reply with "private trackers more convenient than steam?" No wonder you have so many posts... Just jump right in and start dumping those opinions man!! Lol I don't see how you see that I'm complaining. I don't really care if Oink, Scene, MU, FS, etc are shut down. How is it new found convenience? DC++ existed since 2000 and the majority of private trackers appeared in 2004. If piracy was so rampant back than why is it only now that companies are taking action? Gratz, you and many others can't read either. I made reference to a music tracker, why was there a need to bring up gaming? The majority of my posts are in the tech support lol... ................. Then Brett quoted me and said that he thought that with major revamps iTunes be a similar service to steam in the field of music/films. ............................... Umm, no I didn't... lol
I'm sorry, it was another guy who said it and I misread. I'll edit it.
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went to edit and posted again, sorry
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Hey guys, keep debating about piracy while every little thing is shut down and we move little by little towards a kind of Mussolini's fascism... Makes me rather sad to see people argue on technicalities when this is a simple straight up case abusing of power... this is why a war is probable of happening, because people don't unite against "tyrants" ( I don't believe it was their intent initially to get here but, it seems to me that power really corrupts that much ) and rationalize their acts .. Bleah, don't reply to this message, just sit idly while if things progress in this way you'll get jailed for doing karaoke and uploading it on the internet.
As for FileSonic... + Show Spoiler +I used to dl porn from there :D
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On January 23 2012 16:19 bOneSeven wrote:
Hey guys, keep debating about piracy while every little thing is shut down and we move little by little towards a kind of Mussolini's fascism... Makes me rather sad to see people argue on technicalities when this is a simple straight up case abusing of power... this is why a war is probable of happening, because people don't unite against "tyrants" ( I don't believe it was their intent initially to get here but, it seems to me that power really corrupts that much ) and rationalize their acts .. Bleah, don't reply to this message, just sit idly while if things progress in this way you'll get jailed for doing karaoke and uploading it on the internet.
A company did the responsible thing and willingly shut down a part of its website that was facilitating illegal activity. What?
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On January 23 2012 16:19 bOneSeven wrote:
Hey guys, keep debating about piracy while every little thing is shut down and we move little by little towards a kind of Mussolini's fascism... Makes me rather sad to see people argue on technicalities when this is a simple straight up case abusing of power... this is why a war is probable of happening, because people don't unite against "tyrants" ( I don't believe it was their intent initially to get here but, it seems to me that power really corrupts that much ) and rationalize their acts .. Bleah, don't reply to this message, just sit idly while if things progress in this way you'll get jailed for doing karaoke and uploading it on the internet.
Did you smoke a huge joint before posting this by any chance? ;D
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On January 23 2012 16:21 dudeman001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 16:19 bOneSeven wrote:
Hey guys, keep debating about piracy while every little thing is shut down and we move little by little towards a kind of Mussolini's fascism... Makes me rather sad to see people argue on technicalities when this is a simple straight up case abusing of power... this is why a war is probable of happening, because people don't unite against "tyrants" ( I don't believe it was their intent initially to get here but, it seems to me that power really corrupts that much ) and rationalize their acts .. Bleah, don't reply to this message, just sit idly while if things progress in this way you'll get jailed for doing karaoke and uploading it on the internet. A company did the responsible thing and willingly shut down a part of its website that was facilitating illegal activity. What?
It's called fear.
Nevermind nevermind, you are fairly intelligent people.... you will figure out how your thinking affected our society in 20 years by now...
I'm in full blown pesimistic mode
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On January 23 2012 16:19 bOneSeven wrote:
Hey guys, keep debating about piracy while every little thing is shut down and we move little by little towards a kind of Mussolini's fascism... Makes me rather sad to see people argue on technicalities when this is a simple straight up case abusing of power... this is why a war is probable of happening, because people don't unite against "tyrants" ( I don't believe it was their intent initially to get here but, it seems to me that power really corrupts that much ) and rationalize their acts .. Bleah, don't reply to this message, just sit idly while if things progress in this way you'll get jailed for doing karaoke and uploading it on the internet.
wow. the creepers are going to come out of their mother's basements and start a war with the US government? yeah. i am pretty sure that the american public is not going to support that, and the american military is not afraid of kids who learned war from halo and modern warfare. =P
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Artificial scarcity is disgusting. If you are unable to make people actually want to buy what you are selling, then you have no right to get paid.
All you MAFIAA-apologists, I guess you also really hate libraries and think they should be shut down?
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LOL damn guy lived it up while he could. As a person largely apathetic to this part of the infringement movement I found this the most interesting part of the thread.
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On January 23 2012 16:34 sulliwan wrote:
Artificial scarcity is disgusting. If you are unable to make people actually want to buy what you are selling, then you have no right to get paid.
All you MAFIAA-apologists, I guess you also really hate libraries and think they should be shut down?
Hahaha, nice straw man!
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On January 23 2012 16:06 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 15:34 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 15:17 Brett wrote:You say your personal experience of inconvenience is 'point(ing) out that (the) argument (that piracy is about money) is weak'. I'm pointing out that this new found convenience is exactly that, new, and that piracy was still rampant before trackers and sites like Megaupload and co. existed, which undermines your entire argument. Therefore, I return to the position that it's for the most part about money. I'm not speaking about you specifically, but piracy as a whole. I'm also saying that you, and others like you, who display a disposition for disobeying anti-piracy law in order to spare yourself the cost or inconvenience and complain when these avenues are removed obviously do feel entitled to have these products as if they are some right... God forbid you go without something. On January 23 2012 15:10 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 15:01 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 14:49 skyR wrote:
You're talking about games. I'm talking about music and video. There is no Steam in the music industry and there is no Steam in the video industry (you can argue Netflix but it's library is still dwarfed by private trackers). That's why I said that a platform LIKE steam would be ideal. Seriously, now I know why jibba was mad, for gods sake read before you post. I was replying to the person who quoted you, I didn't actually read whatever post he quoted you for. And I did specifically referred to music and made no mention of games until you decided to unnecessarily reply with "private trackers more convenient than steam?" No wonder you have so many posts... Just jump right in and start dumping those opinions man!! Lol I don't see how you see that I'm complaining. I don't really care if Oink, Scene, MU, FS, etc are shut down. How is it new found convenience? DC++ existed since 2000 and the majority of private trackers appeared in 2004. If piracy was so rampant back than why is it only now that companies are taking action? Gratz, you and many others can't read either. I made reference to a music tracker, why was there a need to bring up gaming? The majority of my posts are in the tech support lol... Let me recap how things went for you: I said first that closing sites like megaupload wouldn't end piracy, because there's still many other ways to get free stuff if you want it enough. Then I said that a service like steam would help a lot to reduce piracy rates, and that iTunes was a good plaftorm but not good enough. Then some guy quoted me and said that he thought that with major revamps iTunes be a similar service to steam in the field of music/films. After that you quoted and said that P2P is better than "iTunes or any whatever shit online shop I could come up with". I asked you if private trackers were better than steam, and you said you didn't knew, but wouldn't be surprised if BCG was a better way of getting games. After I exemplified why steam is more convenient than private trackers, you said that you were talking about music and not about games. Now I will explain what you don't seem to understand about my posts: I AM talking about music. I'm saying that if the music industry can come up with a digital distribution platform that can offer advantagens over pirated content while mantaining a reasonable price(And here's where iTunes fail in my opinion, it's way too expensive), it would be able to reduce piracy ratings. Steam was only an example of a platform that has helped reduce piracy, even though you have to pay instead of getting the stuff you want for free. I hope my point got across now. If it didn't I give up.
Songs on Itunes are only $1-$2 which is hardly expensive at all... Itunes sucks because its library is small in comparison to the private trackers and offers no choice in format or bitrate.
The post I replied to was talking about piracy as a whole is all about getting things cheaper. I replied saying that it's not. There was no need to bring up games again since it was already discussed that Steam was convenient. So this whole you can't read attack stems from a language barrier / misinterpretation of a post.
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no............... well.. the positive is my account is about to expire anyway but i was ready to re-up.. 
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On January 23 2012 16:42 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 16:34 sulliwan wrote:
Artificial scarcity is disgusting. If you are unable to make people actually want to buy what you are selling, then you have no right to get paid.
All you MAFIAA-apologists, I guess you also really hate libraries and think they should be shut down? Hahaha, nice straw man!
It's not a straw man, libraries are an example where public right to information won over the copyright interests of the authors and the publishers. I don't think anyone can seriously make the argument that the world is worse off because of that?
Main thing being, there needs to be a balance of power between the copyright holders and the users. What the MPAA/RIAA are currently doing is ensuring that there is no such thing, their word is the law and the user is powerless. For printed press, the library system has been the equalizer, consider it a "union of readers". What is the digital version of that? Google? EFF?
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On January 23 2012 16:47 sulliwan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 16:42 Brett wrote:On January 23 2012 16:34 sulliwan wrote:
Artificial scarcity is disgusting. If you are unable to make people actually want to buy what you are selling, then you have no right to get paid.
All you MAFIAA-apologists, I guess you also really hate libraries and think they should be shut down? Hahaha, nice straw man! It's not a straw man, libraries are an example where public right to information won over the copyright interests of the authors and the publishers. I don't think anyone can seriously make the argument that the world is worse off because of that?
A) I have nothing against libraries
B) I pay taxes for people to access the library (which, at least in part, allows the purchase of the books that are in the library)
C) Libraries are actually legal
D) A very significant portion of libraries are devoted to education, as opposed to entertainment. You cannot seriously argue that music, video games and TV/Video have anywhere near this level of distribution in purpose.
E) Books, and to an extent library rules, are a physical limitation on the amount of consumption, frequence of consumption, and length of time in which to consume that media.
Notice how you have to pay for the CDs, games and movies that the library hires out to people?
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Oh no.
If Mediafire will fall too, my life is over.
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On January 23 2012 10:10 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 08:39 Marradron wrote:
I just dont believe in paying for things that have been aired on tv or the radio. Anyone in the world could have used a tape recorder to record the song, movie or series. I just consider torrentz my always active tv recorder. If taping shows on tv to use yourself is legal so should recording them digitaly. I just don't believe in giving a voice to stupid people on the Internet but unfortunately, neither of our beliefs are legitimate.
You seem to be opset about my opinion. Would you like to talk about it ? There's no reason for such a adhominem attack.
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On January 23 2012 11:13 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 11:02 Jibba wrote:
New laws and shutting down illegal, lying file sharing sites is completely different. I'm 100% against SOPA and PIPA, but I have no problem with MU getting what was coming. Even if I watch shows there, I don't feel entitled to them if the site goes down. If the owners of MU were trying to sell pirated material for money that is COMPLETELY wrong and unacceptable. For instance in china they sell bootleg CDs which takes real cash away from artists because people feel like they've bought something and done their deed in paying for a product when in reality they got screwed (or they know anyways). I HATE people that pirate and sell that product for their own gain, it's like plagiarism of the worst kind because you take profit for yourself you had no right to. If you want to pirate stuff, fine, but dont take away a real sale by selling that copy to someone else. It means that person will NEVER buy a legit copy 99.9999% of the time. Sorry, had to rant. I draw a fine line between pirating and selling bootlegged copies.
they were selling IP, it was called premium account, you just didn't receive your CD.
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EYEYEYEYEY
everyone here, stop whinging, this is illegal, there is nothing good about it. So face it, it has to be dealt with
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As a sign of protest I will now download J. Edgar.
hahahahaha take that you suits!
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