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On January 23 2012 13:32 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote:
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore. Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution. I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again. Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior. Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no. More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles? Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo! This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things. And you call him ignorant?
No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol.
I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true.
On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote:
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore. Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution. I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again. Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior. Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no. More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Private trackers are more convenient than steam?
I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam.
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Just so this is clear, I don't think anybody is saying that the business practices of many of these companies are optimal at all. But using that as a justification for blatant disregard for existing laws is nothing short of idiotic. If they could be servicing other people and making more money, but arent, then they're stupid business people and missing opportunities... But that's their decision to make.
I think a few people using the internet could do with some education on rule of law principles; there are very few (and they are truly exceptional) circumstances where disobeying the law is an appropriate response to a law you disagree with. Hilariously, it's not even the law people are now disagreeing with but the business practices of people responsible for producing the content... The arguments have changed over the years, but they're still useless.
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They have already begun to brainwash people thinking that their brand of intellectual property protection is right. Witness the statements on this thread.
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On January 23 2012 13:40 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:32 Brett wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote:
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore. Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution. I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again. Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior. Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no. More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles? Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo! This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things. And you call him ignorant? No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol. I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true. Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote:
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore. Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution. I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again. Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior. Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no. More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Private trackers are more convenient than steam? I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam.
You don't need to state it explicitly. It is a fair interpretation of the behaviour of yourself and those who share the sentiment.
You've said they have a shit ('inconvenient') service, and that consequently that inconvenience justifies the use of an illegitimate, yet 'superior' service, despite the illegality of it.
How about you just stop consuming? Or at the very least stop whinging when the free ride stops
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On January 23 2012 13:55 Chunhyang wrote:
They have already begun to brainwash people thinking that their brand of intellectual property protection is right. Witness the statements on this thread.
the fuck you are talking about, it's not a right, in the same way you are putting it as, YOU register with the government for such protections. It's not that different from entering with a contract with someone or perhaps government enforcement of that should stop as well?
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On January 23 2012 14:00 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:55 Chunhyang wrote:
They have already begun to brainwash people thinking that their brand of intellectual property protection is right. Witness the statements on this thread. the fuck you are talking about, it's not a right as you are putting it, YOU register with the government for such protections. It's not that different from entering with a contract with someone or perhaps government enforcement of that should stop as well?
You don't register with the government to hold copyright. The US recognizes all works as being automatically covered by copyright law at the time of their creation. The law that put this into effect in 1989 was the start of the very insane direction US copyright law has taken.
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On January 23 2012 13:40 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:32 Brett wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote:
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore. Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution. I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again. Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior. Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no. More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles? Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo! This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things. And you call him ignorant? No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol. I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true. Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote:
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore. Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution. I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again. Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior. Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no. More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Private trackers are more convenient than steam? I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam.
Well I can tell you since I have an account in both private. Steam is more convenient. Automatic updates is just one of the reasons that make steam better than private trackers. The only "convenience" you get from using private trackers is that you don't have to give up other things in order to spend money on a game.
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On January 23 2012 13:56 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:40 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:32 Brett wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote:
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore. Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution. I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again. Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior. Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no. More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles? Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo! This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things. And you call him ignorant? No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol. I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true. On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote:
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore. Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution. I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again. Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior. Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no. More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Private trackers are more convenient than steam? I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam. You don't need to state it explicitly. It is a fair interpretation of the behaviour of yourself and those who share the sentiment. You've said they have a shit ('inconvenient') service, and that consequently that inconvenience justifies the use of an illegitimate, yet 'superior' service, despite the illegality of it. How about you just stop consuming? Or at the very least stop whinging when the free ride stops
I just pointed out that your argument is weak and you call me a complainer? Lol.
What reason is there for me to stop consuming?
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On January 23 2012 14:10 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:40 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:32 Brett wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote:
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore. Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution. I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again. Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior. Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no. More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles? Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo! This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things. And you call him ignorant? No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol. I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true. On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote:
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore. Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution. I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again. Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior. Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no. More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Private trackers are more convenient than steam? I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam. Well I can tell you since I have an account in both private. Steam is more convenient. Automatic updates is just one of the reasons that make steam better than private trackers. The only "convenience" you get from using private trackers is that you don't have to give up other things in order to spend money on a game.
You forgot being able to play a game without being connected to the Internet and also being able to play a game if Steam goes out of business. The fact is that under current models of video game distribution you never own a copy of a game, you only lease the content from the distributer. While this model has its upsides, it is fundamentally different than distribution models of the past.
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On January 23 2012 14:12 Dental Floss wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 14:10 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:40 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:32 Brett wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote:
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore. Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution. I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again. Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior. Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no. More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles? Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo! This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things. And you call him ignorant? No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol. I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true. On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote:
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore. Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution. I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again. Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior. Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no. More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Private trackers are more convenient than steam? I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam. Well I can tell you since I have an account in both private. Steam is more convenient. Automatic updates is just one of the reasons that make steam better than private trackers. The only "convenience" you get from using private trackers is that you don't have to give up other things in order to spend money on a game. You forgot being able to play a game without being connected to the Internet and also being able to play a game if Steam goes out of business. The fact is that under current models of video game distribution you never own a copy of a game, you only lease the content from the distributer. While this model has its upsides, it is fundamentally different than distribution models of the past.
You can play games on steam without being connected to the internet. You need to launch them online 1 time so they will "unlock" IIRC. After that you can play just fine in offline mode. And if steam goes out of business, they will release a patch that will remove the need for this unlock, thus allowing you to play all the games you own. And they will not go out of business, it's like warner disappearing. It's like someone saying that piracy is dangerous because some day the government might develop a program that will allow them to go inside of your computer and look for pirated content.
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On January 23 2012 13:17 semantics wrote:
Just showing that jibba is right to be irate about people talking out of their ass on this subject.
Dunno if this was referring to me but I do not admit to being wrong about my point. I didn't deviate from the point of my first post, or others that followed. They were never quoted in reply, which I guess is why people are confused. As I went a long I had to explain more and more what I meant. It was also in response to a lot of other commenters, not just Jibba.
A lot of people will simply not question their own point of view or what they see, and when people do, they are quick to justify their own beliefs by thinking and saying the other guy "does not know anything". This is extremely low level and borderline immature thinking, and I do not believe "validates a right" to swear and make accusations of other posters.
I never would believe people are right to be irate about posts on a forum. A lot of people will post as if things are just cut and dry because they don't actually spend time to think about what they read and don't look at both sides of the story or try and give a plain answer which they didn't really think about. Instead of telling people to look at the facts (which at this point, are still accusations), why not point out what they missed? Its just as easy and more productive than giving a no content reply.
I for sure for one do not believe one bit that ease of use is a good justification for piracy. However I do believe that ones that capitalise on these advancements in technology, are combating this problem in a positive way, and it shows. "Piracy" has also provided a lot of positive benefits to smaller groups. Regardless piracy is going to remain a problem, and anti-copyright people are fighting an un-winninable battle (one-manga, piratebay, etc), so I believe they are simply throwing lots of money down the drain.
I do not believe that using Youtube in the way that most people use it (watching TV series illegally, listening to music illegally, etc), is a lesser form of piracy compared to using Filesonic or Megaupload. Given the fact that the evidence against Megaupload was the same as what could be used against Youtube pre-raid is almost the same, the point could be made that Megaupload was picked for success-rate rather than legitimacy. For example we do not know if Youtube actually deletes their files, or just removes access to them, but this is going to be a major pressing point for the court case. To me the end result of what Youtube and Megaupload does is the same. If you have watched or listened to music/movies illegally on youtube, how can you invalidate the use of other sites as being worse?
I guess I felt the need to be the devils advocate in this situation.
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On January 23 2012 14:12 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:56 Brett wrote:On January 23 2012 13:40 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:32 Brett wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote:
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore. Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution. I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again. Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior. Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no. More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles? Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo! This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things. And you call him ignorant? No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol. I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true. On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote:
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore. Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution. I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again. Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior. Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no. More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Private trackers are more convenient than steam? I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam. You don't need to state it explicitly. It is a fair interpretation of the behaviour of yourself and those who share the sentiment. You've said they have a shit ('inconvenient') service, and that consequently that inconvenience justifies the use of an illegitimate, yet 'superior' service, despite the illegality of it. How about you just stop consuming? Or at the very least stop whinging when the free ride stops I just pointed out that your argument is weak and you call me a complainer? Lol. What reason is there for me to stop consuming?
LOL
Yeah, because piracy didn't exist before these so-called superior services developed. Because people dont still consume shitloads of content via legitimate means. You are a complainer; it's too hard and too expensive, so you just steal it.
You're not worth arguing with.
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On January 23 2012 14:15 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 14:12 Dental Floss wrote:On January 23 2012 14:10 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:40 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:32 Brett wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote:
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore. Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution. I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again. Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior. Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no. More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles? Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo! This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things. And you call him ignorant? No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol. I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true. On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote:
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore. Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution. I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again. Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior. Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no. More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Private trackers are more convenient than steam? I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam. Well I can tell you since I have an account in both private. Steam is more convenient. Automatic updates is just one of the reasons that make steam better than private trackers. The only "convenience" you get from using private trackers is that you don't have to give up other things in order to spend money on a game. You forgot being able to play a game without being connected to the Internet and also being able to play a game if Steam goes out of business. The fact is that under current models of video game distribution you never own a copy of a game, you only lease the content from the distributer. While this model has its upsides, it is fundamentally different than distribution models of the past. You can play games on steam without being connected to the internet.
I own a copy of Bastion on Steam, but I don't have the local content on my computer. I cannot play it without an internet connection, or if Steam goes out of business, and I do not own it. I only lease it. You can look forward to this becoming more extreme in the future as more media types embrace this model. Already we're getting to the point where physical media television is being replaced by Hulu and Netflix, and Google is working on a music model where you only use "the cloud" for music instead of physical media. These moves are being done, in part, to take ownership away form consumers.
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On January 23 2012 14:15 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 14:12 Dental Floss wrote:On January 23 2012 14:10 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:40 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:32 Brett wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote:
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore. Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution. I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again. Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior. Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no. More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles? Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo! This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things. And you call him ignorant? No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol. I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true. On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote:
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore. Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution. I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again. Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior. Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no. More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Private trackers are more convenient than steam? I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam. Well I can tell you since I have an account in both private. Steam is more convenient. Automatic updates is just one of the reasons that make steam better than private trackers. The only "convenience" you get from using private trackers is that you don't have to give up other things in order to spend money on a game. You forgot being able to play a game without being connected to the Internet and also being able to play a game if Steam goes out of business. The fact is that under current models of video game distribution you never own a copy of a game, you only lease the content from the distributer. While this model has its upsides, it is fundamentally different than distribution models of the past. You can play games on steam without being connected to the internet.
Was about to say this too, as far as I'm aware all steam games can be played in "offline mode"
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On January 23 2012 14:21 Dental Floss wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 14:15 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 14:12 Dental Floss wrote:On January 23 2012 14:10 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:40 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:32 Brett wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote:
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore. Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution. I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again. Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior. Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no. More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles? Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo! This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things. And you call him ignorant? No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol. I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true. On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote:
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore. Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution. I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again. Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior. Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no. More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Private trackers are more convenient than steam? I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam. Well I can tell you since I have an account in both private. Steam is more convenient. Automatic updates is just one of the reasons that make steam better than private trackers. The only "convenience" you get from using private trackers is that you don't have to give up other things in order to spend money on a game. You forgot being able to play a game without being connected to the Internet and also being able to play a game if Steam goes out of business. The fact is that under current models of video game distribution you never own a copy of a game, you only lease the content from the distributer. While this model has its upsides, it is fundamentally different than distribution models of the past. You can play games on steam without being connected to the internet. I own a copy of Bastion on Steam, but I don't have the local content on my computer. I cannot play it without an internet connection, or if Steam goes out of business, and I do not own it. I only lease it. You can look forward to this becoming more extreme in the future as more media types embrace this model. Already we're getting to the point where physical media television is being replaced by Hulu and Netflix, and Google is working on a music model where you only use "the cloud" for music instead of physical media. These moves are being done, in part, to take ownership away form consumers.
I don't really understand your point...you say you own the game but because you don't have it downloaded you can't play it? Isn't that obvious? I don't see how you can play a pirated game if you don't have it downloaded too.
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On January 23 2012 14:24 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 14:21 Dental Floss wrote:On January 23 2012 14:15 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 14:12 Dental Floss wrote:On January 23 2012 14:10 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:40 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:32 Brett wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote:
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore. Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution. I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again. Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior. Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no. More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles? Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo! This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things. And you call him ignorant? No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol. I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true. On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote:
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore. Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution. I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again. Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior. Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no. More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Private trackers are more convenient than steam? I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam. Well I can tell you since I have an account in both private. Steam is more convenient. Automatic updates is just one of the reasons that make steam better than private trackers. The only "convenience" you get from using private trackers is that you don't have to give up other things in order to spend money on a game. You forgot being able to play a game without being connected to the Internet and also being able to play a game if Steam goes out of business. The fact is that under current models of video game distribution you never own a copy of a game, you only lease the content from the distributer. While this model has its upsides, it is fundamentally different than distribution models of the past. You can play games on steam without being connected to the internet. I own a copy of Bastion on Steam, but I don't have the local content on my computer. I cannot play it without an internet connection, or if Steam goes out of business, and I do not own it. I only lease it. You can look forward to this becoming more extreme in the future as more media types embrace this model. Already we're getting to the point where physical media television is being replaced by Hulu and Netflix, and Google is working on a music model where you only use "the cloud" for music instead of physical media. These moves are being done, in part, to take ownership away form consumers. I don't really understand your point...you say you own the game but because you don't have it downloaded you can't play it? Isn't that obvious? I don't see how you can play a pirated game if you don't have it downloaded too.
I own a copy of Need for Speed. Its on a CD sitting next to me. I own this copy of the game and that is legally different from the Steam copy of Bastion that I'm allowed to use. I think this is a pretty easy difference to understand.
I mean, you can understand that a consumer could be worried by the fact that steam can legally just remove your access to a game or ban your account for any reason at any time right?
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On January 23 2012 14:25 Dental Floss wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 14:24 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 14:21 Dental Floss wrote:On January 23 2012 14:15 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 14:12 Dental Floss wrote:On January 23 2012 14:10 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:40 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:32 Brett wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:
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Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles? Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo! This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things. And you call him ignorant? No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol. I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true. On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:
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Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Private trackers are more convenient than steam? I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam. Well I can tell you since I have an account in both private. Steam is more convenient. Automatic updates is just one of the reasons that make steam better than private trackers. The only "convenience" you get from using private trackers is that you don't have to give up other things in order to spend money on a game. You forgot being able to play a game without being connected to the Internet and also being able to play a game if Steam goes out of business. The fact is that under current models of video game distribution you never own a copy of a game, you only lease the content from the distributer. While this model has its upsides, it is fundamentally different than distribution models of the past. You can play games on steam without being connected to the internet. I own a copy of Bastion on Steam, but I don't have the local content on my computer. I cannot play it without an internet connection, or if Steam goes out of business, and I do not own it. I only lease it. You can look forward to this becoming more extreme in the future as more media types embrace this model. Already we're getting to the point where physical media television is being replaced by Hulu and Netflix, and Google is working on a music model where you only use "the cloud" for music instead of physical media. These moves are being done, in part, to take ownership away form consumers. I don't really understand your point...you say you own the game but because you don't have it downloaded you can't play it? Isn't that obvious? I don't see how you can play a pirated game if you don't have it downloaded too. I own a copy of Need for Speed. Its on a CD sitting next to me. I own this copy of the game and that is legally different from the Steam copy of Bastion that I'm allowed to use. I think this is a pretty easy difference to understand.
Yeah but I never mentioned physical media. The discussion was convenience of pirated games Vs convenience of owning a game on a digital platform like steam.
And now you're just going into hypothetical territory. Of course they can ban you, you can also get removed from a cinema , but I doubt you will get without a good reason.
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I missed secondary school days, where everything can download from KaZaa. ahh.... so convienient...
It's good I am adult now I can pay for things I want, but I remember when I was secondary school girl,
There is so many things I want but so little money.
Right now, I feel fortunate there are pirated things around back then 
For awhile, I feel sorry for new generation children because they might not be able to dl illigal things anymore.
But, then I remember they are able to access internet at so young age, having smartphone at primary school...
Ah, envy them.
I feel I want to go back, young again. in 2012. Study in secondary school again. >.<
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On January 23 2012 14:27 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 14:25 Dental Floss wrote:On January 23 2012 14:24 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 14:21 Dental Floss wrote:On January 23 2012 14:15 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 14:12 Dental Floss wrote:On January 23 2012 14:10 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:40 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:32 Brett wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:
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Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles? Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo! This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things. And you call him ignorant? No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol. I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true. On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:
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Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Private trackers are more convenient than steam? I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam. Well I can tell you since I have an account in both private. Steam is more convenient. Automatic updates is just one of the reasons that make steam better than private trackers. The only "convenience" you get from using private trackers is that you don't have to give up other things in order to spend money on a game. You forgot being able to play a game without being connected to the Internet and also being able to play a game if Steam goes out of business. The fact is that under current models of video game distribution you never own a copy of a game, you only lease the content from the distributer. While this model has its upsides, it is fundamentally different than distribution models of the past. You can play games on steam without being connected to the internet. I own a copy of Bastion on Steam, but I don't have the local content on my computer. I cannot play it without an internet connection, or if Steam goes out of business, and I do not own it. I only lease it. You can look forward to this becoming more extreme in the future as more media types embrace this model. Already we're getting to the point where physical media television is being replaced by Hulu and Netflix, and Google is working on a music model where you only use "the cloud" for music instead of physical media. These moves are being done, in part, to take ownership away form consumers. I don't really understand your point...you say you own the game but because you don't have it downloaded you can't play it? Isn't that obvious? I don't see how you can play a pirated game if you don't have it downloaded too. I own a copy of Need for Speed. Its on a CD sitting next to me. I own this copy of the game and that is legally different from the Steam copy of Bastion that I'm allowed to use. I think this is a pretty easy difference to understand. Yeah but I never mentioned physical media. The discussion was convenience of pirated games Vs convenience of owning a game on a digital platform like steam.
I think you got mislead by things I was directing at the other guy who was posting about copyright laws.
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