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On January 23 2012 14:17 sluggaslamoo wrote:
I never would believe people are right to be irate about posts on a forum. A lot of people will post as if things are just cut and dry because they don't actually spend time to think about what they read and don't look at both sides of the story or try and give a plain answer which they didn't really think about. Instead of telling people to look at the facts (which at this point, are still accusations), why not point out what they missed? Its just as easy and more productive than giving a no content reply.
Pretty sure he did that. Multiple times. Unfortunately the people whose views he has been attacking, apparently are the same people who dont read the thread before posting.
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On January 23 2012 14:28 Dental Floss wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 14:27 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 14:25 Dental Floss wrote:On January 23 2012 14:24 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 14:21 Dental Floss wrote:On January 23 2012 14:15 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 14:12 Dental Floss wrote:On January 23 2012 14:10 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:40 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:32 Brett wrote:
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Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo!
This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things.
And you call him ignorant? No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol. I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true. On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:
[quote]Private trackers are more convenient than steam?
I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam. Well I can tell you since I have an account in both private. Steam is more convenient. Automatic updates is just one of the reasons that make steam better than private trackers. The only "convenience" you get from using private trackers is that you don't have to give up other things in order to spend money on a game. You forgot being able to play a game without being connected to the Internet and also being able to play a game if Steam goes out of business. The fact is that under current models of video game distribution you never own a copy of a game, you only lease the content from the distributer. While this model has its upsides, it is fundamentally different than distribution models of the past. You can play games on steam without being connected to the internet. I own a copy of Bastion on Steam, but I don't have the local content on my computer. I cannot play it without an internet connection, or if Steam goes out of business, and I do not own it. I only lease it. You can look forward to this becoming more extreme in the future as more media types embrace this model. Already we're getting to the point where physical media television is being replaced by Hulu and Netflix, and Google is working on a music model where you only use "the cloud" for music instead of physical media. These moves are being done, in part, to take ownership away form consumers. I don't really understand your point...you say you own the game but because you don't have it downloaded you can't play it? Isn't that obvious? I don't see how you can play a pirated game if you don't have it downloaded too. I own a copy of Need for Speed. Its on a CD sitting next to me. I own this copy of the game and that is legally different from the Steam copy of Bastion that I'm allowed to use. I think this is a pretty easy difference to understand. Yeah but I never mentioned physical media. The discussion was convenience of pirated games Vs convenience of owning a game on a digital platform like steam. I think you got mislead by things I was directing at the other guy who was posting about copyright laws.
You quoted the wrong person then, go back and read all the discussion.
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On January 23 2012 14:17 sluggaslamoo wrote:
For example we do not know if Youtube actually deletes their files, or just removes access to them, but this is going to be a major pressing point for the court case.
From skimming parts of the indictment it's not that Megaupload didn't delete the content so much as they didn't delete or block it in a meaningful way. According to the document Megaupload would create multiple links to a singe file. When a complaint was filed that a certain link lead to copyrighted material Megaupload would delete that link but leave all the other links that lead to the copyrighted material in place, effectively not blocking the content at all.
From the indictment:
"The Abuse Tool allowed copyright holders to enter specific URL links to copyright infringing content of which they were aware, and they were told by the Conspiracy that the Mega Conspiracy’s systems would then remove, or disable access to, the material from computer servers the Conspiracy controls."
But...
"If there is more than one URL link to a file, then any attempt by the copyright holder toterminate access to the file using the Abuse Tool or other DMCA takedown request will failbecause the additional access links will continue to be available.The infringing copy of the copyrighted work, therefore, remains on theConspiracy’s systems (and accessible to at least one member of the public) as long as a single link remains unknown to the copyright holder. The Conspiracy’s internal reference databasetracks the links that have been generated by the system, but duplicative links to infringingmaterials are neither disclosed to copyright holders, nor are they automatically deleted when acopyright holder either uses the Abuse Tool or makes a standard DMCA copyright infringementtakedown request. "
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On January 23 2012 07:20 dudeman001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 07:10 OmiDeLta wrote:On January 23 2012 07:07 MichaelDonovan wrote:On January 23 2012 07:04 sc4k wrote:
I have to say, there is being a lot of fuss made about SOPA and PIPA because of free speech, but I think 99% of the opposition is people who download files/ stream files for the purpose of evading copyright and avoiding having to pay. So much moral highgrounding but when it comes down to it people just want to keep their free lunch. Not only is that not true, but it is an irresponsible thing to say. ^ This, one hundred percent. You know on another note I've heard of bands who are okay with piracy of their music because it gives them free publicity... I've also heard that there are artists who'd rather have people buy their music first. Just because artist A says "you can have my stuff for free" it doesn't extend that offer to artists B and C who don't want that.
And 99% of the time said artists B and C discovered and downloaded music like everyone else, and is just an hypocrite about it, except when he's hella rich...
The real concern behind this is all the taxe money that go into CDs etc, and music companies obviously. It's a fucking fact, that 95% of us download most of their music, or listen to it on Youtube, I wouldnt even know what real hip hop is if it wasnt for Youtube and downloading illegaly, so I would never have bought CDs of stuff I thought needed support and went into many concerts, DOWNLOADING ACTUALLY MADE ME INJECT MONEY INTO THE MUSIC INDUSTRY, if you dont get that, and if more importantly, those dumb higher up fucks dont get that, I dont know what to say.
Oh and by the way, if it wasnt for downloading etc. Music would be so much less developped, so incredibly less you would be amazed. Some groups would stop right away seing that without getting a fanbase on internet they cant make people come to their concerts, they cant get the motivation / fonds / confidence to make a CD etc.
I know it sounds hypocritical and as an excuse for getting money for free, but the fact that it is actually a good thing for the music industry and the artists is simply undeniable, and what is actually happening is a tragedy for human creativity and culture. Also, it cuts people out, culture is now a "rich people thing", I cant live with that, I'll find something to do against it, no fucking way, they can go fuck themselves before they take down piracy and free culture off the internet.
Sorry for the bad language but I found myself getting really angry as I was writing it, man this is seriously fucked up if occidental countries really try that
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On January 23 2012 14:10 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:40 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:32 Brett wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote:
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore. Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution. I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again. Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior. Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no. More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles? Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo! This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things. And you call him ignorant? No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol. I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true. On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote:
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore. Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution. I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again. Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior. Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no. More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Private trackers are more convenient than steam? I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam. Well I can tell you since I have an account in both private. Steam is more convenient. Automatic updates is just one of the reasons that make steam better than private trackers. The only "convenience" you get from using private trackers is that you don't have to give up other things in order to spend money on a game.
You're talking about games. I'm talking about music and video. There is no Steam in the music industry and there is no Steam in the video industry (you can argue Netflix but it's library is still dwarfed by private trackers).
On January 23 2012 14:18 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 14:12 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:56 Brett wrote:On January 23 2012 13:40 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:32 Brett wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote:
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore. Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution. I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again. Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior. Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no. More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles? Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo! This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things. And you call him ignorant? No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol. I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true. On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote:
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore. Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution. I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again. Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior. Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no. More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference. Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with. Private trackers are more convenient than steam? I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam. You don't need to state it explicitly. It is a fair interpretation of the behaviour of yourself and those who share the sentiment. You've said they have a shit ('inconvenient') service, and that consequently that inconvenience justifies the use of an illegitimate, yet 'superior' service, despite the illegality of it. How about you just stop consuming? Or at the very least stop whinging when the free ride stops I just pointed out that your argument is weak and you call me a complainer? Lol. What reason is there for me to stop consuming? LOL Yeah, because piracy didn't exist before these so-called superior services developed. Because people dont still consume shitloads of content via legitimate means. You are a complainer, it's too hard and too expensive, so you just steal it. You're not worth arguing with.
I never said piracy never existed prior to private trackers /facepalm Even without what and the other private trackers, pirating was still a hell lot more convenient.
What?
Ya, learning multiple languages is extremely hard so please sue me if I won't put in the effort in learning half a dozen languages. I never complained about pricing, I would gladly pay a subscription to private trackers.
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On January 23 2012 14:49 skyR wrote:
You're talking about games. I'm talking about music and video. There is no Steam in the music industry and there is no Steam in the video industry (you can argue Netflix but it's library is still dwarfed by private trackers).
That's why I said that a platform LIKE steam would be ideal. Seriously, now I know why jibba was mad, for gods sake read before you post.
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welcome to the police state that is america but just like the music fileshare networks that were taken down by the justice department more always will pop up and the traffic will just float to them. there will always be a black market on the internet for movies and music and even with a sopa like law there are easy ways around the server blocks that would be imposed on americans. there are a million people from china on youtube right now looking at videos banned by there country by going around the "great fire wall". and honestly i have no sympathy for the studios or record labels that have there "property stolen" because they still turn enormous profits and the actors and musicans are paid more then any other job does. i go to the the movies about 4 times a year and i probably downloaded about 40 movies this past year on icefilms and if icefilms didnt exist guess how many movies i would have went to see?...the same 4
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On January 23 2012 15:01 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 14:49 skyR wrote:
You're talking about games. I'm talking about music and video. There is no Steam in the music industry and there is no Steam in the video industry (you can argue Netflix but it's library is still dwarfed by private trackers). That's why I said that a platform LIKE steam would be ideal. Seriously, now I know why jibba was mad, for gods sake read before you post.
I was replying to the person who quoted you, I didn't actually read whatever post he quoted you for. And I did specifically referred to music and made no mention of games until you decided to unnecessarily reply with "private trackers more convenient than steam?"
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You say your personal experience of inconvenience is 'point(ing) out that (the) argument (that piracy is about money) is weak'. I'm pointing out that this new found convenience is exactly that, new, and that piracy was still rampant before trackers and sites like Megaupload and co. existed, which undermines your entire argument. Therefore, I return to the position that it's for the most part about money. I'm not speaking about you specifically, but piracy as a whole.
I'm also saying that you, and others like you, who display a disposition for disobeying anti-piracy law in order to spare yourself the cost or inconvenience and complain when these avenues are removed obviously do feel entitled to have these products as if they are some right... God forbid you go without something.
On January 23 2012 15:10 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 15:01 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 14:49 skyR wrote:
You're talking about games. I'm talking about music and video. There is no Steam in the music industry and there is no Steam in the video industry (you can argue Netflix but it's library is still dwarfed by private trackers). That's why I said that a platform LIKE steam would be ideal. Seriously, now I know why jibba was mad, for gods sake read before you post. I was replying to the person who quoted you, I didn't actually read whatever post he quoted you for. And I did specifically referred to music and made no mention of games until you decided to unnecessarily reply with "private trackers more convenient than steam?"
No wonder you have so many posts... Just jump right in and start dumping those opinions man!!
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Does anyone else facepalm when people use words like "police state"?
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Also, I'd like to mention that non-counterfeit/pirated movies do not exist in Asia.
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On January 23 2012 15:17 Brett wrote:You say your personal experience of inconvenience is 'point(ing) out that (the) argument (that piracy is about money) is weak'. I'm pointing out that this new found convenience is exactly that, new, and that piracy was still rampant before trackers and sites like Megaupload and co. existed, which undermines your entire argument. Therefore, I return to the position that it's for the most part about money. I'm not speaking about you specifically, but piracy as a whole. I'm also saying that you, and others like you, who display a disposition for disobeying anti-piracy law in order to spare yourself the cost or inconvenience and complain when these avenues are removed obviously do feel entitled to have these products as if they are some right... God forbid you go without something. Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 15:10 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 15:01 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 14:49 skyR wrote:
You're talking about games. I'm talking about music and video. There is no Steam in the music industry and there is no Steam in the video industry (you can argue Netflix but it's library is still dwarfed by private trackers). That's why I said that a platform LIKE steam would be ideal. Seriously, now I know why jibba was mad, for gods sake read before you post. I was replying to the person who quoted you, I didn't actually read whatever post he quoted you for. And I did specifically referred to music and made no mention of games until you decided to unnecessarily reply with "private trackers more convenient than steam?" No wonder you have so many posts... Just jump right in and start dumping those opinions man!!
Lol I don't see how you see that I'm complaining. I don't really care if Oink, Scene, MU, FS, etc are shut down.
How is it new found convenience? DC++ existed since 2000 and the majority of private trackers appeared in 2004. If piracy was so rampant back than why is it only now that companies are taking action?
Gratz, you and many others can't read either. I made reference to a music tracker, why was there a need to bring up gaming? The majority of my posts are in the tech support lol...
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On January 23 2012 15:24 woody60707 wrote:
Does anyone else facepalm when people use words like "police state"?
what would u call it when a website responsible for 4 percent of the entire worlds web traffic is shutdown based on a law that failed to pass in congress because last time i check megaupload didnt personal share any copyrighted material it was shutdown for its users doing. i spend alot of time in nightclubs and there are plenty of people rolling there face off and doing other illegal things but i dont see nypd trying to close pacha down for not having drug sniffing dogs patrol the place all night.
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On January 23 2012 15:40 IamPryda wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 15:24 woody60707 wrote:
Does anyone else facepalm when people use words like "police state"? what would u call it when a website responsible for 4 percent of the entire worlds web traffic is shutdown based on a law that failed to pass in congress because last time i check megaupload didnt personal share any copyrighted material it was shutdown for its users doing. i spend alot of time in nightclubs and there are plenty of people rolling there face off and doing other illegal things but i dont see nypd trying to close pacha down for not having drug sniffing dogs patrol the place all night.
fallacy, just becuase someone else was speeding too doesn't make you getting a ticket any less valid.
Also megaupload is going down for a bit more then copyright infringement, it's also not going down for what it's users were doing but rather what megaupload was doing/lack of doing, filesonic by itself stopping it's sharing service and rewards but not stopping it's file storage service, till it can get software that will pre check files uploaded.
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On January 23 2012 15:34 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 15:17 Brett wrote:You say your personal experience of inconvenience is 'point(ing) out that (the) argument (that piracy is about money) is weak'. I'm pointing out that this new found convenience is exactly that, new, and that piracy was still rampant before trackers and sites like Megaupload and co. existed, which undermines your entire argument. Therefore, I return to the position that it's for the most part about money. I'm not speaking about you specifically, but piracy as a whole. I'm also saying that you, and others like you, who display a disposition for disobeying anti-piracy law in order to spare yourself the cost or inconvenience and complain when these avenues are removed obviously do feel entitled to have these products as if they are some right... God forbid you go without something. On January 23 2012 15:10 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 15:01 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 14:49 skyR wrote:
You're talking about games. I'm talking about music and video. There is no Steam in the music industry and there is no Steam in the video industry (you can argue Netflix but it's library is still dwarfed by private trackers). That's why I said that a platform LIKE steam would be ideal. Seriously, now I know why jibba was mad, for gods sake read before you post. I was replying to the person who quoted you, I didn't actually read whatever post he quoted you for. And I did specifically referred to music and made no mention of games until you decided to unnecessarily reply with "private trackers more convenient than steam?" No wonder you have so many posts... Just jump right in and start dumping those opinions man!! Lol I don't see how you see that I'm complaining. I don't really care if Oink, Scene, MU, FS, etc are shut down. How is it new found convenience? DC++ existed since 2000 and the majority of private trackers appeared in 2004. If piracy was so rampant back than why is it only now that companies are taking action? Gratz, you and many others can't read either. I made reference to a music tracker, why was there a need to bring up gaming? The majority of my posts are in the tech support lol...
I referred to gaming specifically? Where? Go on, find it (hilarious that you attack my reading skills and then make that comment).
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On January 23 2012 15:40 IamPryda wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 15:24 woody60707 wrote:
Does anyone else facepalm when people use words like "police state"? what would u call it when a website responsible for 4 percent of the entire worlds web traffic is shutdown based on a law that failed to pass in congress because last time i check megaupload didnt personal share any copyrighted material it was shutdown for its users doing. i spend alot of time in nightclubs and there are plenty of people rolling there face off and doing other illegal things but i dont see nypd trying to close pacha down for not having drug sniffing dogs patrol the place all night.
I agree, my good sir/lady. I can see their point in matter but this is going to a very extreme way of handling it from what I can tell.
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On January 23 2012 15:49 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 15:34 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 15:17 Brett wrote:You say your personal experience of inconvenience is 'point(ing) out that (the) argument (that piracy is about money) is weak'. I'm pointing out that this new found convenience is exactly that, new, and that piracy was still rampant before trackers and sites like Megaupload and co. existed, which undermines your entire argument. Therefore, I return to the position that it's for the most part about money. I'm not speaking about you specifically, but piracy as a whole. I'm also saying that you, and others like you, who display a disposition for disobeying anti-piracy law in order to spare yourself the cost or inconvenience and complain when these avenues are removed obviously do feel entitled to have these products as if they are some right... God forbid you go without something. On January 23 2012 15:10 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 15:01 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 14:49 skyR wrote:
You're talking about games. I'm talking about music and video. There is no Steam in the music industry and there is no Steam in the video industry (you can argue Netflix but it's library is still dwarfed by private trackers). That's why I said that a platform LIKE steam would be ideal. Seriously, now I know why jibba was mad, for gods sake read before you post. I was replying to the person who quoted you, I didn't actually read whatever post he quoted you for. And I did specifically referred to music and made no mention of games until you decided to unnecessarily reply with "private trackers more convenient than steam?" No wonder you have so many posts... Just jump right in and start dumping those opinions man!! Lol I don't see how you see that I'm complaining. I don't really care if Oink, Scene, MU, FS, etc are shut down. How is it new found convenience? DC++ existed since 2000 and the majority of private trackers appeared in 2004. If piracy was so rampant back than why is it only now that companies are taking action? Gratz, you and many others can't read either. I made reference to a music tracker, why was there a need to bring up gaming? The majority of my posts are in the tech support lol... I referred to gaming specifically? Where? Go on, find it (hilarious that you attack my reading skills and then make that comment).
Dmnum referred to games when I was referring to music, and then I get attacked by both of you for not reading when both of you didn't even read... I don't see how this is so hard to understand?
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On January 23 2012 15:34 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 15:17 Brett wrote:You say your personal experience of inconvenience is 'point(ing) out that (the) argument (that piracy is about money) is weak'. I'm pointing out that this new found convenience is exactly that, new, and that piracy was still rampant before trackers and sites like Megaupload and co. existed, which undermines your entire argument. Therefore, I return to the position that it's for the most part about money. I'm not speaking about you specifically, but piracy as a whole. I'm also saying that you, and others like you, who display a disposition for disobeying anti-piracy law in order to spare yourself the cost or inconvenience and complain when these avenues are removed obviously do feel entitled to have these products as if they are some right... God forbid you go without something. On January 23 2012 15:10 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 15:01 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 14:49 skyR wrote:
You're talking about games. I'm talking about music and video. There is no Steam in the music industry and there is no Steam in the video industry (you can argue Netflix but it's library is still dwarfed by private trackers). That's why I said that a platform LIKE steam would be ideal. Seriously, now I know why jibba was mad, for gods sake read before you post. I was replying to the person who quoted you, I didn't actually read whatever post he quoted you for. And I did specifically referred to music and made no mention of games until you decided to unnecessarily reply with "private trackers more convenient than steam?" No wonder you have so many posts... Just jump right in and start dumping those opinions man!! Lol I don't see how you see that I'm complaining. I don't really care if Oink, Scene, MU, FS, etc are shut down. How is it new found convenience? DC++ existed since 2000 and the majority of private trackers appeared in 2004. If piracy was so rampant back than why is it only now that companies are taking action? Gratz, you and many others can't read either. I made reference to a music tracker, why was there a need to bring up gaming? The majority of my posts are in the tech support lol...
Let me recap how things went for you: I said first that closing sites like megaupload wouldn't end piracy, because there's still many other ways to get free stuff if you want it enough.
Then I said that a service like steam would help a lot to reduce piracy rates, and that iTunes was a good plaftorm but not good enough.
Then some guy quoted me and said that he thought that with major revamps iTunes be a similar service to steam in the field of music/films.
After that you quoted and said that P2P is better than "iTunes or any whatever shit online shop I could come up with".
I asked you if private trackers were better than steam, and you said you didn't knew, but wouldn't be surprised if BCG was a better way of getting games. After I exemplified why steam is more convenient than private trackers, you said that you were talking about music and not about games.
Now I will explain what you don't seem to understand about my posts: I AM talking about music. I'm saying that if the music industry can come up with a digital distribution platform that can offer advantagens over pirated content while mantaining a reasonable price(And here's where iTunes fail in my opinion, it's way too expensive), it would be able to reduce piracy ratings. Steam was only an example of a platform that has helped reduce piracy, even though you have to pay instead of getting the stuff you want for free.
I hope my point got across now. If it didn't I give up.
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On January 23 2012 15:54 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 15:49 Brett wrote:On January 23 2012 15:34 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 15:17 Brett wrote:You say your personal experience of inconvenience is 'point(ing) out that (the) argument (that piracy is about money) is weak'. I'm pointing out that this new found convenience is exactly that, new, and that piracy was still rampant before trackers and sites like Megaupload and co. existed, which undermines your entire argument. Therefore, I return to the position that it's for the most part about money. I'm not speaking about you specifically, but piracy as a whole. I'm also saying that you, and others like you, who display a disposition for disobeying anti-piracy law in order to spare yourself the cost or inconvenience and complain when these avenues are removed obviously do feel entitled to have these products as if they are some right... God forbid you go without something. On January 23 2012 15:10 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 15:01 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 14:49 skyR wrote:
You're talking about games. I'm talking about music and video. There is no Steam in the music industry and there is no Steam in the video industry (you can argue Netflix but it's library is still dwarfed by private trackers). That's why I said that a platform LIKE steam would be ideal. Seriously, now I know why jibba was mad, for gods sake read before you post. I was replying to the person who quoted you, I didn't actually read whatever post he quoted you for. And I did specifically referred to music and made no mention of games until you decided to unnecessarily reply with "private trackers more convenient than steam?" No wonder you have so many posts... Just jump right in and start dumping those opinions man!! Lol I don't see how you see that I'm complaining. I don't really care if Oink, Scene, MU, FS, etc are shut down. How is it new found convenience? DC++ existed since 2000 and the majority of private trackers appeared in 2004. If piracy was so rampant back than why is it only now that companies are taking action? Gratz, you and many others can't read either. I made reference to a music tracker, why was there a need to bring up gaming? The majority of my posts are in the tech support lol... I referred to gaming specifically? Where? Go on, find it (hilarious that you attack my reading skills and then make that comment). Dmnum referred to games when I was referring to music, and then I get attacked by both of you for not reading when both of you didn't even read... I don't see how this is so hard to understand?
YOU admitted to not reading the embedded quote. That's all I was referring to and that's why I bolded that section when quoting you. YOU then quote me, but then make reference to the other poster's argument re: gaming, which I had nothing to do with. You're mixing his argument with me, simply because I used part of a reply directed to him (despite the fact that my posts have had no substantive link to his actual argument, i.e. not a mere comment he made). Pretty simple. Read people's posts properly in the future and you wont have people telling you that you're sounding like an idiot so often.
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On January 23 2012 16:06 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 15:34 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 15:17 Brett wrote:You say your personal experience of inconvenience is 'point(ing) out that (the) argument (that piracy is about money) is weak'. I'm pointing out that this new found convenience is exactly that, new, and that piracy was still rampant before trackers and sites like Megaupload and co. existed, which undermines your entire argument. Therefore, I return to the position that it's for the most part about money. I'm not speaking about you specifically, but piracy as a whole. I'm also saying that you, and others like you, who display a disposition for disobeying anti-piracy law in order to spare yourself the cost or inconvenience and complain when these avenues are removed obviously do feel entitled to have these products as if they are some right... God forbid you go without something. On January 23 2012 15:10 skyR wrote:On January 23 2012 15:01 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 14:49 skyR wrote:
You're talking about games. I'm talking about music and video. There is no Steam in the music industry and there is no Steam in the video industry (you can argue Netflix but it's library is still dwarfed by private trackers). That's why I said that a platform LIKE steam would be ideal. Seriously, now I know why jibba was mad, for gods sake read before you post. I was replying to the person who quoted you, I didn't actually read whatever post he quoted you for. And I did specifically referred to music and made no mention of games until you decided to unnecessarily reply with "private trackers more convenient than steam?" No wonder you have so many posts... Just jump right in and start dumping those opinions man!! Lol I don't see how you see that I'm complaining. I don't really care if Oink, Scene, MU, FS, etc are shut down. How is it new found convenience? DC++ existed since 2000 and the majority of private trackers appeared in 2004. If piracy was so rampant back than why is it only now that companies are taking action? Gratz, you and many others can't read either. I made reference to a music tracker, why was there a need to bring up gaming? The majority of my posts are in the tech support lol... ................. Then Brett quoted me and said that he thought that with major revamps iTunes be a similar service to steam in the field of music/films. ...............................
Umm, no I didn't... lol
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