Within the last hour filesonic, a popular file hosting website, has disabled their file sharing service.
Its hard to believe that the SOPA blackouts and popular pirating websites going down are totally unrelated. I guess the USA government is really getting serious about the whole internet pirates situation.
I wonder when pirate bay will go down, oh well download everything while you still can guys! Looks like pirating on the internet is soon becoming a thing of the past. I personally don't mind that much, other than the fact that I wont be able to stream TV shows/Movies anymore.
Edit: An article has been released addressing the issue + Show Spoiler +
Filesonic Kills File-Sharing Service After MegaUpload Arrests
To users of systems like BitTorrent, file-sharing means just that – the sharing of files with others. But this weekend users of Filesonic, one of the Internet’s leading cyberlocker services, sharing files is currently a thing of the past.
According to a shock announcement by the site, all file-sharing functionality has now been disabled, leaving current users only with access to files that they have personally uploaded. Many hundreds of thousands (probably millions) of links all around the web have now been rendered useless, at least temporarily.
But the bad news for the site’s users doesn’t end there. In the last few hours, before file-sharing was disabled, Filesonic also ended its rewards program, meaning that uploaders to the site no longer earn money when people download their files. A moot point perhaps, since no-one will be downloading files anyway.
However, there is the matter of what will happen to the reward money that was sitting in uploader’s accounts before the rewards program was discontinued. Will it be paid out, or will it simply disappear? Many users fear the latter.
This combination of news all adds up to a pretty big deal. Filesonic isn’t just some also-ran in the world of cyberlockers. The site is among the top 10 file-sharing sites on the Internet, with a quarter billion page views a month.
While there has been no official explanation from the site as to why the above actions were taken, all eyes are turned towards events of the last week – the closure of Megaupload and the arrest of its founder and management team.
Like Megaupload, Filesonic appears to based in Hong Kong and it’s clear that the authorities there already worked with the US government to shut down Kim Dotcom’s operations and seize his assets there. Filesonic is also believed to have some US-based servers.
In December, Filesonic announced it had partnered with Vobile, a provider of content identification services. All uploads to the service were said to be being checked for copyright infringement before users were able to share them publicly, although it is unclear if this system was ever implemented by the site.
The events of the last week have turned the cyberlocker world upside down and there is quite literally panic among users and site operators. Stay tuned for our detailed report tomorrow – the Megaupload takedown appears to be a game-changer.
EDIT 2: More file sharing services are following suit so far sites verified
Megaupload – Closed
Fileserve – Stopped filesharing. You can only download your own files. Deleting multiple files. Banning Premium accounts. Closed Affiliate Program.
Filesonic – Stopped filesharing. You can only download your own files. Closed Affiliate Program. Changed server location Jan 22, 2012. Taken down it's Facebook page Now using Digital fingerprinting. Files are being deleted as soon as uploaded (as Hotfile did).
VideoBB – Closed Affiliate Program.
Filepost – Started suspending accounts with infringing material (as Hotfile did)
Uploaded.t... – Blocked U.S. access.
Videozer – Closed Affiliate Program. Filejungle – Owned by Fileserve (same as above). Testing USA IP addresses blocking.
Uploadstation – Owned by Fileserve (same as above). Testing USA IP addresses blocking.
4Shared – Deleting multiple files
EnterUpload - Down (Redirect) UploadBox - Deleting all their files on Jan. 30th and disabled file sharing
What!? This is stupid. I can't believe this is happening, we seriously need to do something. People might not use Filesonic as much as Megaupload, but still!
This is bad obviously, but it still seems a lot more fair than just shutting it down without warning like megaupload. At least let them maintain backup functionality.
I have to say, there is being a lot of fuss made about SOPA and PIPA because of free speech, but I think 99% of the opposition is people who download files/ stream files for the purpose of evading copyright and avoiding having to pay. So much moral highgrounding but when it comes down to it people just want to keep their free lunch.
First Megaupload and now this...this is bad. Rapidshare, mediafire...urk, if they go too then that's pretty much it. I don't like this. Where else am I going to get the Touhou games?! Touhou fans know that pirating was how those games got popular internationally...
On January 23 2012 07:03 yakitate304 wrote: Just put in a request for a refund of my $35, since I paid for my 180 day account on Jan. 2nd, and got a whole 2.5 weeks of use.
Don't really care about the money, but it'd be nice to get it put back into my PayPal account. Not holding my breath though.
If what you paid for is totally legal, then at least in the UK you would definitely be entitled to a refund of the substantial part of the payment, for unreasonable alteration of contract obligation... (Edit: By UK I mean England & Wales)
On January 23 2012 07:04 sc4k wrote: I have to say, there is being a lot of fuss made about SOPA and PIPA because of free speech, but I think 99% of the opposition is people who download files/ stream files for the purpose of evading copyright and avoiding having to pay. So much moral highgrounding but when it comes down to it people just want to keep their free lunch.
Not only is that not true, but it is an irresponsible thing to say.
On January 23 2012 07:04 sc4k wrote: I have to say, there is being a lot of fuss made about SOPA and PIPA because of free speech, but I think 99% of the opposition is people who download files/ stream files for the purpose of evading copyright and avoiding having to pay. So much moral highgrounding but when it comes down to it people just want to keep their free lunch.
Not only is that not true, but it is an irresponsible thing to say.
^ This, one hundred percent.
You know on another note I've heard of bands who are okay with piracy of their music because it gives them free publicity...
On January 23 2012 07:04 sc4k wrote: I have to say, there is being a lot of fuss made about SOPA and PIPA because of free speech, but I think 99% of the opposition is people who download files/ stream files for the purpose of evading copyright and avoiding having to pay. So much moral highgrounding but when it comes down to it people just want to keep their free lunch.
Not only is that not true, but it is an irresponsible thing to say.
^ This, one hundred percent.
You know on another note I've heard of bands who are okay with piracy of their music because it gives them free publicity...
Disturbed supports the piracy of their songs, because CD sales are only there for publishing companies. Bands do not make money from CD sales, they make it from the concerts, which people go to to experience it live, and is not hampered by piracy at all. In fact, ironically, piracy helps the band themselves more.
Also, I remember reading about this one...I think it was an author, who decided to 'leak' copies of his book so that it could be 'pirated', and found that his sales increased by almost (and I am remembering this from the article) 300% the week after he did that. Can somebody check on this? I can't remember the author.
Simply let them shut down every single d/l website. When all will be down, they'll happily discover that the movie/music sales won't climb at all, as nowadays people are mostly poor and have no way of paying that much for movie/music...
On January 23 2012 07:04 sc4k wrote: I have to say, there is being a lot of fuss made about SOPA and PIPA because of free speech, but I think 99% of the opposition is people who download files/ stream files for the purpose of evading copyright and avoiding having to pay. So much moral highgrounding but when it comes down to it people just want to keep their free lunch.
Not only is that not true, but it is an irresponsible thing to say.
^ This, one hundred percent.
You know on another note I've heard of bands who are okay with piracy of their music because it gives them free publicity...
I've also heard that there are artists who'd rather have people buy their music first. Just because artist A says "you can have my stuff for free" it doesn't extend that offer to artists B and C who don't want that.
Simply let them shut down every single d/l website. When all will be down, they'll happily discover that the movie/music sales won't climb at all, as nowadays people are mostly poor and have no way of paying that much for movie/music...
Imagine the look on their faces
Yeah. The internet lets us know something exists whether it be good or bad. Some people don't want to randomly go to a store to find what's new. It could be gas cost and other things like time.
On January 23 2012 07:04 sc4k wrote: I have to say, there is being a lot of fuss made about SOPA and PIPA because of free speech, but I think 99% of the opposition is people who download files/ stream files for the purpose of evading copyright and avoiding having to pay. So much moral highgrounding but when it comes down to it people just want to keep their free lunch.
Not only is that not true, but it is an irresponsible thing to say.
^ This, one hundred percent.
You know on another note I've heard of bands who are okay with piracy of their music because it gives them free publicity...
I've also heard that there are artists who'd rather have people buy their music first. Just because artist A says "you can have my stuff for free" it doesn't extend that offer to artists B and C who don't want that.
Did I say all artists feel this way? No. I was only bringing up the point that not every single one is vehemently anti-piracy. That is all.
Cant you still share files by simply having dummy accounts that contain the files you want to share, and make the login info for the dummy accounts public?
On January 23 2012 07:25 Millitron wrote: Cant you still share files by simply having dummy accounts that contain the files you want to share, and make the login info for the dummy accounts public?
That would last like 1 day before someone started removing your account/files or changed the log-in info.
whats funny is the media sector expects people to be able to spend about $1000 a week going out and seeing every movie that's ever released and buying every song that person might enjoy and every tv show that person may have watched on cable television.
On January 23 2012 07:24 Fealthas wrote: 2012 is the end of the world. The Mayans were right. Not how we expected it to happen eh?
When you ended your 2011 calendar, was it the end of the world? Mayas don't say 21.12.2012 is the end of the world, only that a new age will come, and they consider it very positive...
On January 23 2012 07:26 mikell wrote: whats funny is the media sector expects people to be able to spend about $1000 a week going out and seeing every movie that's ever released and buying every song that person might enjoy and every tv show that person may have watched on cable television.
Funny that they expect you to buy the things you like and if you can't afford to do so, not buy it and reap the benefits of a paying customer. Weird how that system works so foreign with alien like logic.
On January 23 2012 07:04 sc4k wrote: I have to say, there is being a lot of fuss made about SOPA and PIPA because of free speech, but I think 99% of the opposition is people who download files/ stream files for the purpose of evading copyright and avoiding having to pay. So much moral highgrounding but when it comes down to it people just want to keep their free lunch.
Not only is that not true, but it is an irresponsible thing to say.
^ This, one hundred percent.
You know on another note I've heard of bands who are okay with piracy of their music because it gives them free publicity...
Disturbed supports the piracy of their songs, because CD sales are only there for publishing companies. Bands do not make money from CD sales, they make it from the concerts, which people go to to experience it live, and is not hampered by piracy at all. In fact, ironically, piracy helps the band themselves more.
Also, I remember reading about this one...I think it was an author, who decided to 'leak' copies of his book so that it could be 'pirated', and found that his sales increased by almost (and I am remembering this from the article) 300% the week after he did that. Can somebody check on this? I can't remember the author.
On January 23 2012 07:25 semantics wrote: Zeesh bunch of drama queens in these threads, end of the world they comming for you....
I would be scared if I was one of the people responsible for these sites getting shut down and working on freedom-destroying bills.
Seriously, piss off a few hundred million people, a few of them are bound to be insane enough to take revenge beyond just internet protests. It's scary to think how this (removing freedom from the internet --- not just shutting down a couple of illegal filesharing sites) might escalate into real life dire situations.
I can legitimately imagine revolts all over the world eventually happening if bills like SOPA and the other similar ones pass. I know it sounds insane at first look but think about it, it's not that far fetched.
Imagine a civil war due to cutting rights from the internet. Calling it now.
On January 23 2012 07:04 sc4k wrote: I have to say, there is being a lot of fuss made about SOPA and PIPA because of free speech, but I think 99% of the opposition is people who download files/ stream files for the purpose of evading copyright and avoiding having to pay. So much moral highgrounding but when it comes down to it people just want to keep their free lunch.
Not only is that not true, but it is an irresponsible thing to say.
^ This, one hundred percent.
You know on another note I've heard of bands who are okay with piracy of their music because it gives them free publicity...
Disturbed supports the piracy of their songs, because CD sales are only there for publishing companies. Bands do not make money from CD sales, they make it from the concerts, which people go to to experience it live, and is not hampered by piracy at all. In fact, ironically, piracy helps the band themselves more.
Also, I remember reading about this one...I think it was an author, who decided to 'leak' copies of his book so that it could be 'pirated', and found that his sales increased by almost (and I am remembering this from the article) 300% the week after he did that. Can somebody check on this? I can't remember the author.
I found most of my university textbooks on this site. Spending hundreds of dollars for textbooks that I may barely use for a semester and then selling it for half of the original price was incredibly stupid thing universities make us do. I just hope that there will be other sites where textbooks are easily found come next semester =(
On January 23 2012 07:04 sc4k wrote: I have to say, there is being a lot of fuss made about SOPA and PIPA because of free speech, but I think 99% of the opposition is people who download files/ stream files for the purpose of evading copyright and avoiding having to pay. So much moral highgrounding but when it comes down to it people just want to keep their free lunch.
Not only is that not true, but it is an irresponsible thing to say.
Well look I think piracy is an interesting and useful market force. Personally I think entertainment is overpriced. Music albums should be £1-2, movies should be £2-3. If that were the case piracy would be massively diminished and have served its use which is driving down the price of the products.
But I don't like all this masquerading as a battle about free speech, it's a battle to keep pirating and pirate streaming.
On January 23 2012 07:04 sc4k wrote: I have to say, there is being a lot of fuss made about SOPA and PIPA because of free speech, but I think 99% of the opposition is people who download files/ stream files for the purpose of evading copyright and avoiding having to pay. So much moral highgrounding but when it comes down to it people just want to keep their free lunch.
Not only is that not true, but it is an irresponsible thing to say.
Well look I think piracy is an interesting and useful market force. Personally I think entertainment is overpriced. Music albums should be £1-2, movies should be £2-3. If that were the case piracy would be massively diminished and have served its use which is driving down the price of the products.
But I don't like all this masquerading as a battle about free speech, it's a battle to keep pirating and pirate streaming.
Yeah but the bill could potentially be used for much more than simply stopping torrent sites and such. Even if it wouldn't be used for shutting down youtube or whatever it technically could be used for it. Do you really want to have those kinds of laws? It's not really fair to paint it as a pro-piracy against anti-piracy argument as that is disengenious. Any law where you have nothing more than the lawmakers words for that it wouldn't be misused is a bad law.
Also trying to get a refund on a year membership. Been a loyal customer since sharingmatrix, mostly for game clients that I own and to collect my tv series digitally so I can get rid of the season boxes.
On January 23 2012 07:04 sc4k wrote: I have to say, there is being a lot of fuss made about SOPA and PIPA because of free speech, but I think 99% of the opposition is people who download files/ stream files for the purpose of evading copyright and avoiding having to pay. So much moral highgrounding but when it comes down to it people just want to keep their free lunch.
Not only is that not true, but it is an irresponsible thing to say.
Well look I think piracy is an interesting and useful market force. Personally I think entertainment is overpriced. Music albums should be £1-2, movies should be £2-3. If that were the case piracy would be massively diminished and have served its use which is driving down the price of the products.
But I don't like all this masquerading as a battle about free speech, it's a battle to keep pirating and pirate streaming.
For me it's just convenience. I rarely download anything I can't get off streaming sites. Usually just watch a ton of anime and I get a lot of the music I like from YT (download helper)...
99% of my use of internet is YT/TL/Anime/manga/porn. That's not going to get shut down, and if they start going after anime site they are really desperate.
But once in a while it's nice to be able to download something you can't find on streaming sites (a hockey game you missed or a GSL match for example). Even there, TSN and CBC have started free streams once every so often.
I don't download many games (I don't really play any offlines games anyway so I have to buy whatever I want to play) and I haven't downloaded music in a very long time.
The only non-anime stuff I watch is big bang theory and Dexter. I don't have cable so it's just a way to actually watch it. I'd much prefer to watch it in a living room on a couch on a big TV, but I can't afford cable and a couch, and my TV is used as a computer monitor. I watch like 2-3 movies a year, usually ones I already have anyway and it's usually from streaming sites, not download sites.
In other words, this doesn't really affect me (except megavideo, that's a pain for anime streams). Most people don't mass download. It's just pathetic that this is their response to people not wanting to accept SOPA.
As an answer to OP, i don't think Pirate Bay will go down as it is not hosted in USA. If i remember right it is stated in either Netherlands or Sweden so it should remain unaffected by SOPA. At least for now.
On January 23 2012 07:58 Malkavian183 wrote: As an answer to OP, i don't think Pirate Bay will go down as it is not hosted in USA. If i remember right it is stated in either Netherlands or Sweden so it should remain unaffected by SOPA. At least for now.
I think megaupload was hosted in new zeland? I'm not sure if any site is safe from their current rampage.
On January 23 2012 07:04 sc4k wrote: I have to say, there is being a lot of fuss made about SOPA and PIPA because of free speech, but I think 99% of the opposition is people who download files/ stream files for the purpose of evading copyright and avoiding having to pay. So much moral highgrounding but when it comes down to it people just want to keep their free lunch.
Not only is that not true, but it is an irresponsible thing to say.
Well look I think piracy is an interesting and useful market force. Personally I think entertainment is overpriced. Music albums should be £1-2, movies should be £2-3. If that were the case piracy would be massively diminished and have served its use which is driving down the price of the products.
But I don't like all this masquerading as a battle about free speech, it's a battle to keep pirating and pirate streaming.
Yeah but the bill could potentially be used for much more than simply stopping torrent sites and such. Even if it wouldn't be used for shutting down youtube or whatever it technically could be used for it. Do you really want to have those kinds of laws? It's not really fair to paint it as a pro-piracy against anti-piracy argument as that is disengenious. Any law where you have nothing more than the lawmakers words for that it wouldn't be misused is a bad law.
I really, seriously doubt it. What possible things could they take down which weren't connected with piracy, without there being a public outcry and some serious pressure that would be about a million times the pressure there is now??
On January 23 2012 07:58 Malkavian183 wrote: As an answer to OP, i don't think Pirate Bay will go down as it is not hosted in USA. If i remember right it is stated in either Netherlands or Sweden so it should remain unaffected by SOPA. At least for now.
I think megaupload was hosted in new zeland? I'm not sure if any site is safe from their current rampage.
you guys realize there was pirating way before file sharing sites? and it was a reasonably fast download too? the net isnt dying. when a site goes down like 10 more take its place trying to capitalize on the lost traffic.
On January 23 2012 08:03 Corrosive wrote: you guys realize there was pirating way before file sharing sites? and it was a reasonably fast download too? the net isnt dying. when a site goes down like 10 more take its place trying to capitalize on the lost traffic.
Yep.
From Napster to Kazaa to IRC (still there) to supernova to 100000 other sites.
The Pirate Bay example is not really a good one, they don't host the files. Stuff will just move. And that's exactly the reason why this is just not going to take piracy out of the picture. It can be made less convenient, but people who want it can always get it somewhere. The real way to combat this would be for the major content producers to make getting (and actually owning, none of this renting sillyness) access to their stuff legally convenient, to coincide with making pirated content harder (but again, not impossible) to find. But they keep wanting their cake and eat it too. Maybe next decade right?
On January 23 2012 08:00 sc4k wrote: I really, seriously doubt it. What possible things could they take down which weren't connected with piracy, without there being a public outcry and some serious pressure that would be about a million times the pressure there is now??
This is actually a favorite tactic of Scientology to name but one. You don't like something about you on the net, you claim intellectual property and have it taken down. You really don't see what could go wrong there?
On January 23 2012 08:00 sc4k wrote: I really, seriously doubt it. What possible things could they take down which weren't connected with piracy, without there being a public outcry and some serious pressure that would be about a million times the pressure there is now??
This is actually a favorite tactic of Scientology to name but one. You don't like something about you on the net, you claim intellectual property and have it taken down. You really don't see what could go wrong there?
Honestly I really don't see...please give me an example? Scientology would what, claim intellectual property over TL and get it shut down? Over Amazon? Over Steam? Over google news?
I suspect the megaload bust fired a very clear warning shot to all the file sharing services. Filesonic most likely took down their services temporary just to cover all their bases. This is becoming a significant inconvenience though.
Hopefully mediafire stays alive: it has been my file hosting service of choice and losing MF is going to cause me a *LOT* of headache.
What will become of all the megaupload and filesonic subscribers?
On January 23 2012 08:09 schimmetje wrote: The Pirate Bay example is not really a good one, they don't host the files. Stuff will just move. And that's exactly the reason why this is just not going to take piracy out of the picture. It can be made less convenient, but people who want it can always get it somewhere. The real way to combat this would be for the major content producers to make getting (and actually owning, none of this renting sillyness) access to their stuff legally convenient, to coincide with making pirated content harder (but again, not impossible) to find. But they keep wanting their cake and eat it too. Maybe next decade right?
On January 23 2012 08:00 sc4k wrote: I really, seriously doubt it. What possible things could they take down which weren't connected with piracy, without there being a public outcry and some serious pressure that would be about a million times the pressure there is now??
This is actually a favorite tactic of Scientology to name but one. You don't like something about you on the net, you claim intellectual property and have it taken down. You really don't see what could go wrong there?
I think the main reason for piracy is because: 1) It's easier and quicker to access than the real thing 2) It's not region locked 3) It's not DRM restricted
And all these things are the fault of the studios and their distributors.
The government should not help people who refuse to help themselves.
If we could simply pay to download American TV shows, 1 hour after it airs in the US, and if it were as easy as torrenting, then piracy would drastically fall in Australia. And if what we bought weren't crippled with DRM, piracy wouldn't be so prevalent.
But the truth is in order to legally get American TV shows we have to wait 6 months or more from the US air date, long after all the internet discussions on forums or twitter or wherever have past, and the spoilers are all over the internet.
It is possible to torrent American TV shows 1 hour after it airs, anywhere in the whole world, without any DRM restrictions, it is simply a superior service in every measurable way. And I assume the same applies for legally access Japanese media from the US.
Media companies and the distributors have brought this on themselves by so fiercely holding on to their archaic business model of last century. They are out of touch, stuck in the past, uncreative, visionless, yet charge for a product that is worse, less timely, and harder to obtain than the free alternative.
Pirates do a far better job than these distribution companies and their not even paid for it.
On January 23 2012 08:09 schimmetje wrote: The Pirate Bay example is not really a good one, they don't host the files. Stuff will just move. And that's exactly the reason why this is just not going to take piracy out of the picture. It can be made less convenient, but people who want it can always get it somewhere. The real way to combat this would be for the major content producers to make getting (and actually owning, none of this renting sillyness) access to their stuff legally convenient, to coincide with making pirated content harder (but again, not impossible) to find. But they keep wanting their cake and eat it too. Maybe next decade right?
On January 23 2012 08:00 sc4k wrote: I really, seriously doubt it. What possible things could they take down which weren't connected with piracy, without there being a public outcry and some serious pressure that would be about a million times the pressure there is now??
This is actually a favorite tactic of Scientology to name but one. You don't like something about you on the net, you claim intellectual property and have it taken down. You really don't see what could go wrong there?
I think the main reason for piracy is because: 1) It's easier and quicker to access than the real thing 2) It's not region locked 3) It's not DRM restricted
And all these things are the fault of the studios and their distributors.
The government should not help people who refuse to help themselves.
If we could simply pay to download American TV shows, 1 hour after it airs in the US, and if it were as easy as torrenting, then piracy would drastically fall in Australia. And if what we bought weren't crippled with DRM, piracy wouldn't be so prevalent.
But the truth is in order to legally get American TV shows we have to wait 6 months or more from the US air date, long after all the internet discussions on forums or twitter or wherever have past, and the spoilers are all over the internet.
It is possible to torrent American TV shows 1 hour after it airs, anywhere in the whole world, without any DRM restrictions, it is simply a superior service in every measurable way. And I assume the same applies for legally access Japanese media from the US.
Media companies and the distributors have brought this on themselves by so fiercely holding on to their archaic business model of last century. They are out of touch, stuck in the past, uncreative, visionless, yet charge for a product that is worse, less timely, and harder to obtain than the free alternative.
Pirates do a far better job than these distribution companies and their not even paid for it.
Why don't these file sharing sites just put effort into taking copyrighted material from their website?
I mean come on, you could literally type in any movie, book, or television show into Mega Upload and clearly see something like "House MD season 4 download."
On January 23 2012 07:04 sc4k wrote: I have to say, there is being a lot of fuss made about SOPA and PIPA because of free speech, but I think 99% of the opposition is people who download files/ stream files for the purpose of evading copyright and avoiding having to pay. So much moral highgrounding but when it comes down to it people just want to keep their free lunch.
Not only is that not true, but it is an irresponsible thing to say.
^ This, one hundred percent.
You know on another note I've heard of bands who are okay with piracy of their music because it gives them free publicity...
Disturbed supports the piracy of their songs, because CD sales are only there for publishing companies. Bands do not make money from CD sales, they make it from the concerts, which people go to to experience it live, and is not hampered by piracy at all. In fact, ironically, piracy helps the band themselves more.
Also, I remember reading about this one...I think it was an author, who decided to 'leak' copies of his book so that it could be 'pirated', and found that his sales increased by almost (and I am remembering this from the article) 300% the week after he did that. Can somebody check on this? I can't remember the author.
This. The average record deal ends up in the band getting less than $1 per cd sale. big bands like metallica who have lots of leverage and are on big record labels that pay them tons of money, make about $1.25 per cd sale. pirating doesn't really hurt the bands much since they were already not making jack shit from cd sales.
On January 23 2012 08:09 schimmetje wrote: The Pirate Bay example is not really a good one, they don't host the files. Stuff will just move. And that's exactly the reason why this is just not going to take piracy out of the picture. It can be made less convenient, but people who want it can always get it somewhere. The real way to combat this would be for the major content producers to make getting (and actually owning, none of this renting sillyness) access to their stuff legally convenient, to coincide with making pirated content harder (but again, not impossible) to find. But they keep wanting their cake and eat it too. Maybe next decade right?
On January 23 2012 08:00 sc4k wrote: I really, seriously doubt it. What possible things could they take down which weren't connected with piracy, without there being a public outcry and some serious pressure that would be about a million times the pressure there is now??
This is actually a favorite tactic of Scientology to name but one. You don't like something about you on the net, you claim intellectual property and have it taken down. You really don't see what could go wrong there?
I think the main reason for piracy is because: 1) It's easier and quicker to access than the real thing 2) It's not region locked 3) It's not DRM restricted
And all these things are the fault of the studios and their distributors.
The government should not help people who refuse to help themselves.
If we could simply pay to download American TV shows, 1 hour after it airs in the US, and if it were as easy as torrenting, then piracy would drastically fall in Australia. And if what we bought weren't crippled with DRM, piracy wouldn't be so prevalent.
But the truth is in order to legally get American TV shows we have to wait 6 months or more from the US air date, long after all the internet discussions on forums or twitter or wherever have past, and the spoilers are all over the internet.
It is possible to torrent American TV shows 1 hour after it airs, anywhere in the whole world, without any DRM restrictions, it is simply a superior service in every measurable way. And I assume the same applies for legally access Japanese media from the US.
Media companies and the distributors have brought this on themselves by so fiercely holding on to their archaic business model of last century. They are out of touch, stuck in the past, uncreative, visionless, yet charge for a product that is worse, less timely, and harder to obtain than the free alternative.
Pirates do a far better job than these distribution companies and their not even paid for it.
No the number 1 reason is because IT'S FREE
This is certainly true in part. But for a lot of people some things are also just nigh impossible to come by. "Then don't get it, because that's illegal", sure, that's an argument. But how is that a sane way to do business?
On January 23 2012 07:04 sc4k wrote: I have to say, there is being a lot of fuss made about SOPA and PIPA because of free speech, but I think 99% of the opposition is people who download files/ stream files for the purpose of evading copyright and avoiding having to pay. So much moral highgrounding but when it comes down to it people just want to keep their free lunch.
Not only is that not true, but it is an irresponsible thing to say.
^ This, one hundred percent.
You know on another note I've heard of bands who are okay with piracy of their music because it gives them free publicity...
Disturbed supports the piracy of their songs, because CD sales are only there for publishing companies. Bands do not make money from CD sales, they make it from the concerts, which people go to to experience it live, and is not hampered by piracy at all. In fact, ironically, piracy helps the band themselves more.
Also, I remember reading about this one...I think it was an author, who decided to 'leak' copies of his book so that it could be 'pirated', and found that his sales increased by almost (and I am remembering this from the article) 300% the week after he did that. Can somebody check on this? I can't remember the author.
On January 23 2012 07:04 sc4k wrote: I have to say, there is being a lot of fuss made about SOPA and PIPA because of free speech, but I think 99% of the opposition is people who download files/ stream files for the purpose of evading copyright and avoiding having to pay. So much moral highgrounding but when it comes down to it people just want to keep their free lunch.
Horse shit, cyber lockers are a legit service, and I and a lot of others use them every day for legal purposes. Moving large files cannot be done any easier than online file sharing.
On January 23 2012 08:09 schimmetje wrote: The Pirate Bay example is not really a good one, they don't host the files. Stuff will just move. And that's exactly the reason why this is just not going to take piracy out of the picture. It can be made less convenient, but people who want it can always get it somewhere. The real way to combat this would be for the major content producers to make getting (and actually owning, none of this renting sillyness) access to their stuff legally convenient, to coincide with making pirated content harder (but again, not impossible) to find. But they keep wanting their cake and eat it too. Maybe next decade right?
On January 23 2012 08:00 sc4k wrote: I really, seriously doubt it. What possible things could they take down which weren't connected with piracy, without there being a public outcry and some serious pressure that would be about a million times the pressure there is now??
This is actually a favorite tactic of Scientology to name but one. You don't like something about you on the net, you claim intellectual property and have it taken down. You really don't see what could go wrong there?
I think the main reason for piracy is because: 1) It's easier and quicker to access than the real thing 2) It's not region locked 3) It's not DRM restricted
And all these things are the fault of the studios and their distributors.
The government should not help people who refuse to help themselves.
If we could simply pay to download American TV shows, 1 hour after it airs in the US, and if it were as easy as torrenting, then piracy would drastically fall in Australia. And if what we bought weren't crippled with DRM, piracy wouldn't be so prevalent.
But the truth is in order to legally get American TV shows we have to wait 6 months or more from the US air date, long after all the internet discussions on forums or twitter or wherever have past, and the spoilers are all over the internet.
It is possible to torrent American TV shows 1 hour after it airs, anywhere in the whole world, without any DRM restrictions, it is simply a superior service in every measurable way. And I assume the same applies for legally access Japanese media from the US.
Media companies and the distributors have brought this on themselves by so fiercely holding on to their archaic business model of last century. They are out of touch, stuck in the past, uncreative, visionless, yet charge for a product that is worse, less timely, and harder to obtain than the free alternative.
Pirates do a far better job than these distribution companies and their not even paid for it.
No the number 1 reason is because IT'S FREE
I know a lot of people who are willing to pay for the convenience of piracy.
Too bad the distributors aren't smart enough to do it.
And in fact, for some American TV shows, there is no legal way to obtain them in Australia.
On January 23 2012 08:22 ballasdontcry wrote: dominoes are falling, i think it's only a matter of time before other file sharing sites start feeling the heat.
fuck this honestly
Apparently Fileshare has started removing tonnes of copyright material from their servers, deleting accounts and what not just today. they're feeling that they might be next it seems.
What a damn shame. Won't be long now, filesonic has been one of the more popular filehosts in the past year or 2 - other filehosts will see this and start looking at what could happen to them. They're gonna probably shut down pretty soon as well since the megaupload shutdown and the filesonic shutdown put the fear of god in them.
Torrents probably will last for awhile, but I think probably one of the only safe bastions for piracy is in usenet - which I've considered multiple times over the years, but too cheap to consider paying for it.
Of course Filesonic decided to shut down its file sharing services after the arrest of Kim Dotcom (a founder of Megaupload). I mean if you knew you've been doing something illegal and if you knew the authority just arrested someone who's been doing the same thing, why wouldn't you try to lay low and/or destroy the evidence. It's a simple act of self preservation.
Having said that, we all know the real reason behind this crack down is greed. That is, the music/film industry isn't getting the return that they expected (T/N losing millions in profit /= not making money). Instead, they really need to take a hard look at themselves and the crappy quality of music and films that have flooded the market and ask why people instead choose to 'sample' the products before they pay for them.
If you support file sharing and/or hate the greed of the industry, just stop buying music/going to movies. Save up for concerts and shows instead.
The funny thing is all this wont make the artists or RIAA and MPAA more money (the RIAA and MPAA get the money and not the artists from lawsuits I think). It's more of a placebo for shareholders.
I just dont believe in paying for things that have been aired on tv or the radio. Anyone in the world could have used a tape recorder to record the song, movie or series. I just consider torrentz my always active tv recorder. If taping shows on tv to use yourself is legal so should recording them digitaly.
On January 23 2012 08:39 Marradron wrote: I just dont believe in paying for things that have been aired on tv or the radio. Anyone in the world could have used a tape recorder to record the song, movie or series. I just consider torrentz my always active tv recorder. If taping shows on tv to use yourself is legal so should recording them digitaly.
On January 23 2012 07:04 sc4k wrote: I have to say, there is being a lot of fuss made about SOPA and PIPA because of free speech, but I think 99% of the opposition is people who download files/ stream files for the purpose of evading copyright and avoiding having to pay. So much moral highgrounding but when it comes down to it people just want to keep their free lunch.
Not only is that not true, but it is an irresponsible thing to say.
Well look I think piracy is an interesting and useful market force. Personally I think entertainment is overpriced. Music albums should be £1-2, movies should be £2-3. If that were the case piracy would be massively diminished and have served its use which is driving down the price of the products.
But I don't like all this masquerading as a battle about free speech, it's a battle to keep pirating and pirate streaming.
Yeah but the bill could potentially be used for much more than simply stopping torrent sites and such. Even if it wouldn't be used for shutting down youtube or whatever it technically could be used for it. Do you really want to have those kinds of laws? It's not really fair to paint it as a pro-piracy against anti-piracy argument as that is disengenious. Any law where you have nothing more than the lawmakers words for that it wouldn't be misused is a bad law.
I really, seriously doubt it. What possible things could they take down which weren't connected with piracy, without there being a public outcry and some serious pressure that would be about a million times the pressure there is now??
Did you miss Universal Music Group trying to take down the megaupload song back in December despite not even having copyright over it? (it was removed twice because of them) Guess who just this past week dropped their lawsuit against UMG for abusing Youtube's copyright policy to take down videos that didn't belong to them? -> Megaupload. Wonder why. The entertainment industry doesn't give a shit about copyright, if they can take stuff down they will, even if they don't own it. Heck UMG's defense was the claim that it had an exclusive youtube contract granting them the ability to remove anything they want regardless of whether or not they owned rights to it. How insane is that?
You'd think after an entire decade of burning money on lobbying and lawyers, the RIAA and MPAA would know the definition of a "Pyrrhic Victory". Apparently not.
On January 23 2012 07:04 sc4k wrote: I have to say, there is being a lot of fuss made about SOPA and PIPA because of free speech, but I think 99% of the opposition is people who download files/ stream files for the purpose of evading copyright and avoiding having to pay. So much moral highgrounding but when it comes down to it people just want to keep their free lunch.
Not only is that not true, but it is an irresponsible thing to say.
Well look I think piracy is an interesting and useful market force. Personally I think entertainment is overpriced. Music albums should be £1-2, movies should be £2-3. If that were the case piracy would be massively diminished and have served its use which is driving down the price of the products.
But I don't like all this masquerading as a battle about free speech, it's a battle to keep pirating and pirate streaming.
Yeah but the bill could potentially be used for much more than simply stopping torrent sites and such. Even if it wouldn't be used for shutting down youtube or whatever it technically could be used for it. Do you really want to have those kinds of laws? It's not really fair to paint it as a pro-piracy against anti-piracy argument as that is disengenious. Any law where you have nothing more than the lawmakers words for that it wouldn't be misused is a bad law.
I really, seriously doubt it. What possible things could they take down which weren't connected with piracy, without there being a public outcry and some serious pressure that would be about a million times the pressure there is now??
Did you miss Universal Music Group trying to take down the megaupload song back in December despite not even having copyright over it? (it was removed twice because of them) Guess who just this past week dropped their lawsuit against UMG for abusing Youtube's copyright policy to take down videos that didn't belong to them? -> Megaupload. Wonder why. The entertainment industry doesn't give a shit about copyright, if they can take stuff down they will, even if they don't own it. Heck UMG's defense was the claim that it had an exclusive youtube contract granting them the ability to remove anything they want regardless of whether or not they owned rights to it. How insane is that?[/QUOTE] It took a woman 5 years in court to find that a video of a baby dancing to the radio was, in fact, fair use, and that UMG had no right taking it down. Last I heard, they're still appealing the decision that they owe her lawyer fees.
The DMCA laws basically thrive on the fact that no individual can afford the money or the time to go to court to fight unfair takedowns.
On January 23 2012 08:28 nodnod wrote: Of course Filesonic decided to shut down its file sharing services after the arrest of Kim Dotcom (a founder of Megaupload). I mean if you knew you've been doing something illegal and if you knew the authority just arrested someone who's been doing the same thing, why wouldn't you try to lay low and/or destroy the evidence.
False. File sharing sites should qualify for safe harbour in the US. If infringing files are uploaded, only the uploader is liable.
Megaupload screwed up by acknowledging they knew about specific pirated content in leaked emails. If Filesonic didn't do this they should be legal. Otherwise Youtube would be shut down too.
So i recently started listen to some audio books while i drive and stuff, so i found an author i liked and thought hey why not buy the books legit, and support him well guess what I can't because it's freaking region based how stupid is that?
I really do not get why the company's doesn't focus more on getting the product released to more people instead of this Witch haunt on pirates i have never seen any evidence that the big company's are loosing money they couldn't get by making the product cheaper or easier to buy.
On January 23 2012 08:39 Marradron wrote: I just dont believe in paying for things that have been aired on tv or the radio. Anyone in the world could have used a tape recorder to record the song, movie or series. I just consider torrentz my always active tv recorder. If taping shows on tv to use yourself is legal so should recording them digitaly.
Recording it is one issue, distributing it is another. I don't really have a stance in all of this, but I'd like to say that the industry should change, like how blockbuster is doing now compared to netflix.
On January 23 2012 09:03 Whias_k wrote: So i recently started listen to some audio books while i drive and stuff, so i found an author i liked and thought hey why not buy the books legit, and support him well guess what I can't because it's freaking region based how stupid is that?
I really do not get why the company's doesn't focus more on getting the product released to more people instead of this Witch haunt on pirates i have never seen any evidence that the big company's are loosing money they couldn't get by making the product cheaper or easier to buy.
The rule for all problems in this world is to try to fix the consequences, and not the causes.
I wish someone would just make a Steam platform for movies and tv show, selling them at a fair price. This would have a real effect on piracy, instead of tracking website or pirates that get remplaced in the hour.
The most stupid thing about this.. A lot os us are pirating movies and tv show only because we can't even watched them by a legal way.
On January 23 2012 08:39 Marradron wrote: I just dont believe in paying for things that have been aired on tv or the radio. Anyone in the world could have used a tape recorder to record the song, movie or series. I just consider torrentz my always active tv recorder. If taping shows on tv to use yourself is legal so should recording them digitaly.
This so many times this. Combined with media companies holding out for unreasonable payments for shows to go overseas I pirate all american tv... why? Cause I can't get it in new zealand in a timely/affordable manner.
I would gladly pay to have the shows streamable within an hour of airing in america. GLADLY PAY. But the companies don't want my money. They want to give it to pirates. Their own stupid fault for not catching up with the internet. They need a worldwide sight that sells their products in hq streams that have current shows/movies. For a reasonable monthly fee they would have instantly millions of subscribers and be raking in the money.
But they would rather fuel the internet and lawyers with money than take it themselves. In fact I am starting to think the media companies are run by lawyers who only get paid by forcing people to break the law so they can prosecute them.
As has been mentioned plenty of times, piracy is actually free advertising. And it DOES WORK in boosting sales. A silly concept hollywood is to retarded to pick up on.
On January 23 2012 07:04 sc4k wrote: I have to say, there is being a lot of fuss made about SOPA and PIPA because of free speech, but I think 99% of the opposition is people who download files/ stream files for the purpose of evading copyright and avoiding having to pay. So much moral highgrounding but when it comes down to it people just want to keep their free lunch.
Not only is that not true, but it is an irresponsible thing to say.
^ This, one hundred percent.
You know on another note I've heard of bands who are okay with piracy of their music because it gives them free publicity...
Disturbed supports the piracy of their songs, because CD sales are only there for publishing companies. Bands do not make money from CD sales, they make it from the concerts, which people go to to experience it live, and is not hampered by piracy at all. In fact, ironically, piracy helps the band themselves more.
Also, I remember reading about this one...I think it was an author, who decided to 'leak' copies of his book so that it could be 'pirated', and found that his sales increased by almost (and I am remembering this from the article) 300% the week after he did that. Can somebody check on this? I can't remember the author.
It was 4chan, they scanned in his graphic novel and sales went up.
And to the OP: You mentioned TPB. Thats not who they're aiming for here. They're aiming for businesses that are pretending to be legit while taking money off people to download illegal files.
I have never paid for TV (didn't even pay License Fee when in UK) but I would insta buy a Netflix account if it was available. Massive amount of easily streamable content in high quality? Deal.
On January 23 2012 08:09 schimmetje wrote: The Pirate Bay example is not really a good one, they don't host the files. Stuff will just move. And that's exactly the reason why this is just not going to take piracy out of the picture. It can be made less convenient, but people who want it can always get it somewhere. The real way to combat this would be for the major content producers to make getting (and actually owning, none of this renting sillyness) access to their stuff legally convenient, to coincide with making pirated content harder (but again, not impossible) to find. But they keep wanting their cake and eat it too. Maybe next decade right?
On January 23 2012 08:00 sc4k wrote: I really, seriously doubt it. What possible things could they take down which weren't connected with piracy, without there being a public outcry and some serious pressure that would be about a million times the pressure there is now??
This is actually a favorite tactic of Scientology to name but one. You don't like something about you on the net, you claim intellectual property and have it taken down. You really don't see what could go wrong there?
I think the main reason for piracy is because: 1) It's easier and quicker to access than the real thing 2) It's not region locked 3) It's not DRM restricted
And all these things are the fault of the studios and their distributors.
The government should not help people who refuse to help themselves.
If we could simply pay to download American TV shows, 1 hour after it airs in the US, and if it were as easy as torrenting, then piracy would drastically fall in Australia. And if what we bought weren't crippled with DRM, piracy wouldn't be so prevalent.
But the truth is in order to legally get American TV shows we have to wait 6 months or more from the US air date, long after all the internet discussions on forums or twitter or wherever have past, and the spoilers are all over the internet.
It is possible to torrent American TV shows 1 hour after it airs, anywhere in the whole world, without any DRM restrictions, it is simply a superior service in every measurable way. And I assume the same applies for legally access Japanese media from the US.
Media companies and the distributors have brought this on themselves by so fiercely holding on to their archaic business model of last century. They are out of touch, stuck in the past, uncreative, visionless, yet charge for a product that is worse, less timely, and harder to obtain than the free alternative.
Pirates do a far better job than these distribution companies and their not even paid for it.
No the number 1 reason is because IT'S FREE
The fact that it's easier and that it's free are both number one reasons imo. If I wanted to watch friends right now, it would be quicker for me to download it off a torrent instead of buying the DVDs, online or in a store. AND it's free.
2012... the end of the world wide web. never imagined it's coming closer to the end.
On a more serious and contradicting to what I have stated above, I am sure real pirates will always find a way to distribute files illegaly, no matter what the FBI/US government is going to do.
On January 23 2012 08:09 schimmetje wrote: The Pirate Bay example is not really a good one, they don't host the files. Stuff will just move. And that's exactly the reason why this is just not going to take piracy out of the picture. It can be made less convenient, but people who want it can always get it somewhere. The real way to combat this would be for the major content producers to make getting (and actually owning, none of this renting sillyness) access to their stuff legally convenient, to coincide with making pirated content harder (but again, not impossible) to find. But they keep wanting their cake and eat it too. Maybe next decade right?
On January 23 2012 08:00 sc4k wrote: I really, seriously doubt it. What possible things could they take down which weren't connected with piracy, without there being a public outcry and some serious pressure that would be about a million times the pressure there is now??
This is actually a favorite tactic of Scientology to name but one. You don't like something about you on the net, you claim intellectual property and have it taken down. You really don't see what could go wrong there?
I think the main reason for piracy is because: 1) It's easier and quicker to access than the real thing 2) It's not region locked 3) It's not DRM restricted
And all these things are the fault of the studios and their distributors.
The government should not help people who refuse to help themselves.
If we could simply pay to download American TV shows, 1 hour after it airs in the US, and if it were as easy as torrenting, then piracy would drastically fall in Australia. And if what we bought weren't crippled with DRM, piracy wouldn't be so prevalent.
But the truth is in order to legally get American TV shows we have to wait 6 months or more from the US air date, long after all the internet discussions on forums or twitter or wherever have past, and the spoilers are all over the internet.
It is possible to torrent American TV shows 1 hour after it airs, anywhere in the whole world, without any DRM restrictions, it is simply a superior service in every measurable way. And I assume the same applies for legally access Japanese media from the US.
Media companies and the distributors have brought this on themselves by so fiercely holding on to their archaic business model of last century. They are out of touch, stuck in the past, uncreative, visionless, yet charge for a product that is worse, less timely, and harder to obtain than the free alternative.
Pirates do a far better job than these distribution companies and their not even paid for it.
No the number 1 reason is because IT'S FREE
The fact that it's easier and that it's free are both number one reasons imo. If I wanted to watch friends right now, it would be quicker for me to download it off a torrent instead of buying the DVDs, online or in a store. AND it's free.
I don't really think it being free has as much to do with it as people think. Megaupload and Filesonic subscriptions do cost money but are easier and more accessible than using torrents/usenet/etc.... It is basically due to this "Media companies and the distributors have brought this on themselves by so fiercely holding on to their archaic business model of last century."
2012... the end of the world wide web.
At this point the web is such a vital part of the world economy that the end of the web would trigger a worldwide meltdown (essentially the end of the world as we know it). I don't think these politicians really have any idea of what they are playing around with.
On January 23 2012 08:28 nodnod wrote: Of course Filesonic decided to shut down its file sharing services after the arrest of Kim Dotcom (a founder of Megaupload). I mean if you knew you've been doing something illegal and if you knew the authority just arrested someone who's been doing the same thing, why wouldn't you try to lay low and/or destroy the evidence.
False. File sharing sites should qualify for safe harbour in the US. If infringing files are uploaded, only the uploader is liable.
Megaupload screwed up by acknowledging they knew about specific pirated content in leaked emails. If Filesonic didn't do this they should be legal. Otherwise Youtube would be shut down too.
Then why did Filesonic shut down their file sharing service?
Also, it's in reality very hard to prove that one doesn't know about the illegal content on their server, and most importantly, if the plaintiff can prove/claim that Filesonic financially benefited from distribution of the illegal content then the site wouldn't be eligible for the safe harbour protection.
On January 23 2012 07:58 Malkavian183 wrote: As an answer to OP, i don't think Pirate Bay will go down as it is not hosted in USA. If i remember right it is stated in either Netherlands or Sweden so it should remain unaffected by SOPA. At least for now.
Its in Sweden, and remember, Sweden tends to either not care about piracy, or actually is in favor of it. Look at the thread where Sweden recognizes Kopimism (Basically a religion centered on piracy) as a legitimate religion.
On January 23 2012 09:37 nekoconeco wrote: I don't think these politicians really have any idea of what they are playing around with.
On January 23 2012 08:39 Marradron wrote: I just dont believe in paying for things that have been aired on tv or the radio. Anyone in the world could have used a tape recorder to record the song, movie or series. I just consider torrentz my always active tv recorder. If taping shows on tv to use yourself is legal so should recording them digitaly.
I just don't believe in giving a voice to stupid people on the Internet but unfortunately, neither of our beliefs are legitimate.
I wonder how long before the internet riots start. "hacking" really isn't that hard. How much are we going to take before we start smashing virtual windows?
So the previous thread had a bunch of people whining that Megaupload had a legitimate function of personal file storage, and Filesonic has decided that they will only enable personal file storage and you're whining about that too. I wonder why...
Nothing but a bunch of greedy cretins. The ridiculous sense of entitlement is palpable.
On January 23 2012 10:11 darkscream wrote: I wonder how long before the internet riots start. "hacking" really isn't that hard. How much are we going to take before we start smashing virtual windows?
the day megaupload went down quite a few major sites (including the department of justice site) got ddos'd for a couple hours. if something truly drastic happens they will get a lot of shit im sure
On January 23 2012 10:13 Jibba wrote: So the previous thread had a bunch of people whining that Megaupload had a legitimate function of personal file storage, and Filesonic has decided that they will only enable personal file storage and you're whining about that too. I wonder why...
Nothing but a bunch of greedy cretins. The ridiculous sense of entitlement is palpable.
Is piracy one of the uses of cyber lockers? Sure, but you seem to claim that it's the only reason people are pissed off that they are shutting down file sharing, which is crap. Sharing large files between many people is cumbersome without sites like megaupload or mediafire giving that service.
This reminds me a lot about the shutdown of several manga sharing sites a few years back, like OneManga, Mangatoshokan, and others. Hopefully, this one will have about the same results or less D:
On January 23 2012 10:13 Jibba wrote: So the previous thread had a bunch of people whining that Megaupload had a legitimate function of personal file storage, and Filesonic has decided that they will only enable personal file storage and you're whining about that too. I wonder why...
Nothing but a bunch of greedy cretins. The ridiculous sense of entitlement is palpable.
Is piracy one of the uses of cyber lockers? Sure, but you seem to claim that it's the only reason people are pissed off that they are shutting down file sharing, which is crap. Sharing large files between many people is cumbersome without sites like megaupload or mediafire giving that service.
Horse shit. The number of legitimate users has magically skyrocketed in the last 2 days, yet when the FBI checks the actual server logs, $5 says the vast majority of bandwidth was used for illegal file sharing. On top of that, you can still use Filesonic for all of those legitimate purposes you're talking about, yet the people in this thread don't seem happy about that.
On January 23 2012 10:13 Jibba wrote: So the previous thread had a bunch of people whining that Megaupload had a legitimate function of personal file storage, and Filesonic has decided that they will only enable personal file storage and you're whining about that too. I wonder why...
Nothing but a bunch of greedy cretins. The ridiculous sense of entitlement is palpable.
Is piracy one of the uses of cyber lockers? Sure, but you seem to claim that it's the only reason people are pissed off that they are shutting down file sharing, which is crap. Sharing large files between many people is cumbersome without sites like megaupload or mediafire giving that service.
Horse shit. The number of legitimate users has magically skyrocketed in the last 2 days, yet when the FBI checks the actual server logs, $5 says the vast majority of bandwidth was used for illegal file sharing. On top of that, you can still use Filesonic for all of those legitimate purposes you're talking about, yet the people in this thread don't seem happy about that.
How is "retrieving files that only you have uploaded" any kind of file sharing? It is more just a way to store files for yourself with no way to let someone else download them.
The US should just legislate that no computer shall have the ability to duplicate any file and get it over with. Everything short of that is just typical "War on ______ " waste of time and money.
On January 23 2012 10:26 Yergidy wrote: This sucks for all the people who use file sharing for legitimate purposes.
WHY? You can still use FS for legitimate storage purposes.
No you can't. They stopped the file sharing. What don't you understand? You think all file sharing is piracy. Nobody was whining about the legit uses of file sharing before because it wasn't being taken away from them, that's why you see people bitching right now.
On January 23 2012 10:28 Dental Floss wrote: The US should just legislate that no computer shall have the ability to duplicate any file and get it over with. Everything short of that is just typical "War on ______ " waste of time and money.
I really hope MediaFire doesn't go down. I haven't seen much illegal activity over there (most people who host illegal stuff use stuff like FileSonic, MU, RS, etc. to make a penny once in a while), and I actually use it for archiving a ton of my stuff (mainly my coding stuff, since I'm too lazy to use Git and whatnot). It's pretty much my Plan B if I can't use Gmail to send files (which is normally all the time, but I can't always do it).
On January 23 2012 08:28 nodnod wrote: Of course Filesonic decided to shut down its file sharing services after the arrest of Kim Dotcom (a founder of Megaupload). I mean if you knew you've been doing something illegal and if you knew the authority just arrested someone who's been doing the same thing, why wouldn't you try to lay low and/or destroy the evidence.
False. File sharing sites should qualify for safe harbour in the US. If infringing files are uploaded, only the uploader is liable.
Megaupload screwed up by acknowledging they knew about specific pirated content in leaked emails. If Filesonic didn't do this they should be legal. Otherwise Youtube would be shut down too.
"There are four essential elements to a charge of criminal copyright infringement. In order to sustain a conviction under section 506(a), the government must demonstrate: (1) that a valid copyright; (2) was infringed by the defendant; (3) willfully; and (4) for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain."
Notice Megaupload was accused, and rightfully so, to have designed their site with the sole purpose of distributing IP content AND had some form of financial gain out of it. Filesonic risks the same.
Anti-Piracy legislation in it's current form is actually quite permissive, it's greed that gets people busted.
On January 23 2012 10:26 Yergidy wrote: This sucks for all the people who use file sharing for legitimate purposes.
WHY? You can still use FS for legitimate storage purposes.
No you can't. They stopped the file sharing. What don't you understand? You think all file sharing is piracy. Nobody was whining about the legit uses of file sharing before because it wasn't being taken away from them, that's why you see people bitching right now.
You really don't realize how you can share a file with another person on FS now?
On January 23 2012 10:13 Jibba wrote: So the previous thread had a bunch of people whining that Megaupload had a legitimate function of personal file storage, and Filesonic has decided that they will only enable personal file storage and you're whining about that too. I wonder why...
Nothing but a bunch of greedy cretins. The ridiculous sense of entitlement is palpable.
Is piracy one of the uses of cyber lockers? Sure, but you seem to claim that it's the only reason people are pissed off that they are shutting down file sharing, which is crap. Sharing large files between many people is cumbersome without sites like megaupload or mediafire giving that service.
Horse shit. The number of legitimate users has magically skyrocketed in the last 2 days, yet when the FBI checks the actual server logs, $5 says the vast majority of bandwidth was used for illegal file sharing. On top of that, you can still use Filesonic for all of those legitimate purposes you're talking about, yet the people in this thread don't seem happy about that.
As much as I'm against the government taking away internet freedoms, I have to agree here. Back in my day if you wanted to send over a large file (one that's too large to email) you would send it thru msn messenger or something, or if you knew the person burn it onto a cd and give it to them
On January 23 2012 10:35 Br3ezy wrote: wow first megaupload, and now this....all BEFORE sopa and pipa are passed
To be honest, there's nothing too bad about losing a few overused file-sharing sites that intentionally limited download speeds and forced a wait time when there were much better alternatives. I hope RapidShare goes, if anything, because I think it's universally accepted that RapidShare is a pain (except for those making money from it) >.<
On January 23 2012 10:13 Jibba wrote: So the previous thread had a bunch of people whining that Megaupload had a legitimate function of personal file storage, and Filesonic has decided that they will only enable personal file storage and you're whining about that too. I wonder why...
Nothing but a bunch of greedy cretins. The ridiculous sense of entitlement is palpable.
Is piracy one of the uses of cyber lockers? Sure, but you seem to claim that it's the only reason people are pissed off that they are shutting down file sharing, which is crap. Sharing large files between many people is cumbersome without sites like megaupload or mediafire giving that service.
Horse shit. The number of legitimate users has magically skyrocketed in the last 2 days, yet when the FBI checks the actual server logs, $5 says the vast majority of bandwidth was used for illegal file sharing. On top of that, you can still use Filesonic for all of those legitimate purposes you're talking about, yet the people in this thread don't seem happy about that.
As much as I'm against the government taking away internet freedoms, I have to agree here. Back in my day if you wanted to send over a large file (one that's too large to email) you would send it thru msn messenger or something, or if you knew the person burn it onto a cd and give it to them
Seriously. It's still incredibly easy to transfer files from one person to another. The only thing that's getting harder is mass distribution.
On January 23 2012 10:13 Jibba wrote: So the previous thread had a bunch of people whining that Megaupload had a legitimate function of personal file storage, and Filesonic has decided that they will only enable personal file storage and you're whining about that too. I wonder why...
Nothing but a bunch of greedy cretins. The ridiculous sense of entitlement is palpable.
Is piracy one of the uses of cyber lockers? Sure, but you seem to claim that it's the only reason people are pissed off that they are shutting down file sharing, which is crap. Sharing large files between many people is cumbersome without sites like megaupload or mediafire giving that service.
Horse shit. The number of legitimate users has magically skyrocketed in the last 2 days, yet when the FBI checks the actual server logs, $5 says the vast majority of bandwidth was used for illegal file sharing. On top of that, you can still use Filesonic for all of those legitimate purposes you're talking about, yet the people in this thread don't seem happy about that.
I'm not using these sites for legitimate purposes (barely use them either way except for megavideo for anime and shows) so I can't comment on that exactly.
What I'm worried about is the timing with SOPA. It seems clear that this is being done to piss people off. I don't like where it's heading. More bills are being shoved down people's throats (and other governments if that article about Spain/USA is true) and it seems like they are trying to strongarm their will into law when it's clear people don't want to accept these bills.
The internet is the only place I like in the world, where I feel I have at least a bit of freedom. I don't want to lose that to some fucking old psychos who want to control my life even more. They've already fucked up the economy, the war on drugs, and pretty much everything they've touched (we have tons of wars and crime, education is poor in average, people are living in debt from the day they're born, etc).
I just want one fucking thing they leave alone to a lesser extent. As has been pointed out 100s of times, better systems would make people more eager to actually pay for things. Accessibility, price, etc. (like shows on TV being on the internet immediately after they played --- where as Netflix Canada has a bunch of old shows and movies and my family went through their entire list within a year for example). Make music a few cents per song, shows 25-50c per episode, etc. Put them online in HD quickly.
Even in gaming, we have companies like Blizzard milking their games (HotS vs DLC content --- triple the price of what it would be from any other company using DLC, and 5 times the development period).
Companies can't adapt to the internet so they are trying to make it a bland place where the online thing you can do is chat and send emails. If they were intelligent, they could make more than they ever would with TV and CDs. Older politicians that know nothing about the internet are trying to pass bills that would radically change it for the worse because companies are paying them by the truck load.
So yes, I'm pissed when I see these sites getting closed. Not because I really use them, but because of what they are trying to accomplish in the long run.
The Internet has never been free. You're losing access to the toys that no one cared about before. The mature response is "it was good while it lasted."
And of the people complaining about quality of content and distribution, how many of you pay for th HBO shows you watch?
On January 23 2012 10:13 Jibba wrote: So the previous thread had a bunch of people whining that Megaupload had a legitimate function of personal file storage, and Filesonic has decided that they will only enable personal file storage and you're whining about that too. I wonder why...
Nothing but a bunch of greedy cretins. The ridiculous sense of entitlement is palpable.
Is piracy one of the uses of cyber lockers? Sure, but you seem to claim that it's the only reason people are pissed off that they are shutting down file sharing, which is crap. Sharing large files between many people is cumbersome without sites like megaupload or mediafire giving that service.
Horse shit. The number of legitimate users has magically skyrocketed in the last 2 days, yet when the FBI checks the actual server logs, $5 says the vast majority of bandwidth was used for illegal file sharing. On top of that, you can still use Filesonic for all of those legitimate purposes you're talking about, yet the people in this thread don't seem happy about that.
As much as I'm against the government taking away internet freedoms, I have to agree here. Back in my day if you wanted to send over a large file (one that's too large to email) you would send it thru msn messenger or something, or if you knew the person burn it onto a cd and give it to them
Seriously. It's still incredibly easy to transfer files from one person to another. The only thing that's getting harder is mass distribution.
Yup. Now if you want to share files between people you know in person it's such a joke, there are thumb drives big enough for almost anything you would want to share! There is something like drop box, me and some friends shared plenty of replays that way quite easily. Or hell, use one of those uploading sites for personal storage, and give your info to the person you want to share with. This is of course assuming you want to share files with friends/people you trust, and not the whole world.
On January 23 2012 10:28 Dental Floss wrote: The US should just legislate that no computer shall have the ability to duplicate any file and get it over with. Everything short of that is just typical "War on ______ " waste of time and money.
No, that would be fucking retarded.
Nope its reality. You get to choose one of the following: Allow people to copy files or stop pirating forever. There is literally no middle ground.
On January 23 2012 10:46 Jibba wrote: The Internet has never been free. You're losing access to the toys that no one cared about before. The mature response is "it was good while it lasted."
And of the people complaining about quality of content and distribution, how many of you pay for th HBO shows you watch?
I already pay for my internet connection.
At this rate, in a few years, I'll simply cut my internet connection. There's no point in having it if everything is restricted.
let's be honest people. we were getting lots of free shit from MU and filesonic. their operation may have had a legitimate use but it certainly was being exploited.
On January 23 2012 10:46 Jibba wrote: The Internet has never been free. You're losing access to the toys that no one cared about before. The mature response is "it was good while it lasted."
And of the people complaining about quality of content and distribution, how many of you pay for th HBO shows you watch?
The internet is the most free form of sharing things we have and I'd rather not see it eventually get turned into what TV packages are. Media will get segregated into tiers and package deals sooner or later because people think they can make money off it Paying for facebook/cnn/wikipedia might be part of a contract with your ISP in 20 years.. And the way the government is going at piracy right now is completely fruitless anyways.
Wtf is the point of this? Can't the US goverment understand that if only the U.S. has these stupid laws, all hosting and internet based companies will have to be based in other countries? They aren't getting rid of these sites or piracy, but instead just moving them outside of the U.S.
Just wait, soon the US will make a huge firewall like China, to block any website they want to, even if they change their hosting location.
On January 23 2012 10:46 Jibba wrote: The Internet has never been free. You're losing access to the toys that no one cared about before. The mature response is "it was good while it lasted."
And of the people complaining about quality of content and distribution, how many of you pay for th HBO shows you watch?
The internet is the most free form of sharing things we have and I'd rather not see it eventually get turned into what TV packages are. Media will get segregated into tiers and package deals sooner or later because people think they can make money off it Paying for facebook/cnn/wikipedia might be part of a contract with your ISP in 20 years.. And the way the government is going at piracy right now is completely fruitless anyways.
I don't think it is fruitless. It will never eliminate it completely but if there's pressures and risks, people will begin purchasing more and more as they get older and get jobs. That's what I've done.
On January 23 2012 10:46 Jibba wrote: The Internet has never been free. You're losing access to the toys that no one cared about before. The mature response is "it was good while it lasted."
And of the people complaining about quality of content and distribution, how many of you pay for th HBO shows you watch?
The internet is the most free form of sharing things we have and I'd rather not see it eventually get turned into what TV packages are. Media will get segregated into tiers and package deals sooner or later because people think they can make money off it Paying for facebook/cnn/wikipedia might be part of a contract with your ISP in 20 years.. And the way the government is going at piracy right now is completely fruitless anyways.
I don't think it is fruitless. It will never eliminate it completely but if there's pressures and risks, people will begin purchasing more and more as they get older and get jobs. That's what I've done.
That happens either way. My brother doesn't pirate anything anymore because he has a real job and a stable income. The same is true for most of the people I know 25+.
What Serpico said is the future. You think you pay a lot for your internet right now? Wait until you pay even more for a service that is severely restricted and you need to pay more for every time you check information up, for every file or video you access, etc.
Do you honestly think they WON'T abuse their power once they put their laws into place?
New laws and shutting down illegal, lying file sharing sites is completely different. I'm 100% against SOPA and PIPA, but I have no problem with MU getting what was coming. Even if I watch shows there, I don't feel entitled to them if the site goes down.
On January 23 2012 11:02 Jibba wrote: New laws and shutting down illegal, lying file sharing sites is completely different. I'm 100% against SOPA and PIPA, but I have no problem with MU getting what was coming. Even if I watch shows there, I don't feel entitled to them if the site goes down.
Nor do I. It's a minor inconvenience.
But for the people in charge, it's related. It's the same "fight" for them. Shutting down file sharing sites is one part, but if they could, starting tomorrow both SOPA and PIPA and other similar bills would enter in effect.
On January 23 2012 11:02 Jibba wrote: New laws and shutting down illegal, lying file sharing sites is completely different. I'm 100% against SOPA and PIPA, but I have no problem with MU getting what was coming. Even if I watch shows there, I don't feel entitled to them if the site goes down.
But wouldn't you rather stuff free? Like.. I spent 50$ on music the other day.. I coulda donated it to cancer research had the music been free..
I think don't feel the internet should be censored.
You can't kill p2p, and TPB is hosted well away from the US, and has offline backups of it's back-end, even if their server's were physically blown up, all they need to do get it back online is install their backend to a new server, and then link it to their database (which is hosted on a separate and redundant server platform).
Basically, the FBI can scare a few people, and piss a ton of other people off. The amount of people who are scared by this is a lot smaller than the number of people who are pissed off. We all know what happens when you piss off the interwebs, they'll do whatever it takes to get it's way.
On January 23 2012 11:02 Jibba wrote: New laws and shutting down illegal, lying file sharing sites is completely different. I'm 100% against SOPA and PIPA, but I have no problem with MU getting what was coming. Even if I watch shows there, I don't feel entitled to them if the site goes down.
But wouldn't you rather stuff free? Like.. I spent 50$ on music the other day.. I coulda donated it to cancer research had the music been free..
I think don't feel the internet should be censored.
You could have just donated it to cancer out of the goodness of your heart...
why should music be free? someone put effort into making it.
On January 23 2012 11:02 Jibba wrote: New laws and shutting down illegal, lying file sharing sites is completely different. I'm 100% against SOPA and PIPA, but I have no problem with MU getting what was coming. Even if I watch shows there, I don't feel entitled to them if the site goes down.
But wouldn't you rather stuff free? Like.. I spent 50$ on music the other day.. I coulda donated it to cancer research had the music been free..
I think don't feel the internet should be censored.
You could have just donated it to cancer out of the goodness of your heart...
why should music be free? someone put effort into making it.
I never said it "should be" I said I would rather it free. It's the record labels making most of the cash off of the CDs regardless. I have bills to pay, etc. I can't throw away money. but say if I had extra money with nothing to purchase (music in this example) then I would be more willing to donate, etc.
On January 23 2012 11:02 Jibba wrote: New laws and shutting down illegal, lying file sharing sites is completely different. I'm 100% against SOPA and PIPA, but I have no problem with MU getting what was coming. Even if I watch shows there, I don't feel entitled to them if the site goes down.
But wouldn't you rather stuff free? Like.. I spent 50$ on music the other day.. I coulda donated it to cancer research had the music been free..
I think don't feel the internet should be censored.
You could have just donated it to cancer out of the goodness of your heart...
why should music be free? someone put effort into making it.
I never said it "should be" I said I would rather it free. It's the record labels making most of the cash off of the CDs regardless. I have bills to pay, etc. I can't throw away money. but say if I had extra money with nothing to purchase (music in this example) then I would be more willing to donate, etc.
You could just go without music. There's no rule out there that says you absolutely need everything you want. You're not entitled to having the music at all, much less cheaper music.
On January 23 2012 07:04 sc4k wrote: I have to say, there is being a lot of fuss made about SOPA and PIPA because of free speech, but I think 99% of the opposition is people who download files/ stream files for the purpose of evading copyright and avoiding having to pay. So much moral highgrounding but when it comes down to it people just want to keep their free lunch.
Looks like a ton of mediafire links are down. Was looking for a song and kept getting a "this file has been deleted" from every mediafire link and I usually never see that message from mediafire.
On January 23 2012 11:02 Jibba wrote: New laws and shutting down illegal, lying file sharing sites is completely different. I'm 100% against SOPA and PIPA, but I have no problem with MU getting what was coming. Even if I watch shows there, I don't feel entitled to them if the site goes down.
If the owners of MU were trying to sell pirated material for money that is COMPLETELY wrong and unacceptable. For instance in china they sell bootleg CDs which takes real cash away from artists because people feel like they've bought something and done their deed in paying for a product when in reality they got screwed (or they know anyways). I HATE people that pirate and sell that product for their own gain, it's like plagiarism of the worst kind because you take profit for yourself you had no right to. If you want to pirate stuff, fine, but dont take away a real sale by selling that copy to someone else. It means that person will NEVER buy a legit copy 99.9999% of the time.
Sorry, had to rant. I draw a fine line between pirating and selling bootlegged copies.
On January 23 2012 11:02 Jibba wrote: New laws and shutting down illegal, lying file sharing sites is completely different. I'm 100% against SOPA and PIPA, but I have no problem with MU getting what was coming. Even if I watch shows there, I don't feel entitled to them if the site goes down.
But wouldn't you rather stuff free? Like.. I spent 50$ on music the other day.. I coulda donated it to cancer research had the music been free..
I think don't feel the internet should be censored.
You could have just donated it to cancer out of the goodness of your heart...
why should music be free? someone put effort into making it.
I never said it "should be" I said I would rather it free. It's the record labels making most of the cash off of the CDs regardless. I have bills to pay, etc. I can't throw away money. but say if I had extra money with nothing to purchase (music in this example) then I would be more willing to donate, etc.
You could just go without music. There's no rule out there that says you absolutely need everything you want. You're not entitled to having the music at all, much less cheaper music.
On January 23 2012 11:12 BlackJack wrote: Looks like a ton of mediafire links are down. Was looking for a song and kept getting a "this file has been deleted" from every mediafire link and I usually never see that message from mediafire.
it's seemed to me that mf is usually pretty diligent about taking down links to more popular copyrighted material, but thats just my experience
Simply let them shut down every single d/l website. When all will be down, they'll happily discover that the movie/music sales won't climb at all, as nowadays people are mostly poor and have no way of paying that much for movie/music...
Imagine the look on their faces
10 Points for Gryffindor!
At least you acknowledge that you pirate to save yourself the money. The vast majority of people posting nonsense about pirating to avoid DRM, because of ease of use/access (because a short trip to a fucking store, or the official website, is so horrendously onerous LOL), unavailability, or better yet "freedom of speech", are absolutely kidding themselves.
The sense of entitlement is ridiculous. Just because someone produces a product, does not affordyou some god-given right to consume it. They set their terms of sale. If you don't like it, live without it.
On January 23 2012 11:12 BlackJack wrote: Looks like a ton of mediafire links are down. Was looking for a song and kept getting a "this file has been deleted" from every mediafire link and I usually never see that message from mediafire.
it's seemed to me that mf is usually pretty diligent about taking down links to more popular copyrighted material, but thats just my experience
I really hope it's just Mediafire doing its routine cleanup of stuff they don't want. If entire services start going down, I'm going to panic. I don't think it's likely, though.
On January 23 2012 11:02 Jibba wrote: New laws and shutting down illegal, lying file sharing sites is completely different. I'm 100% against SOPA and PIPA, but I have no problem with MU getting what was coming. Even if I watch shows there, I don't feel entitled to them if the site goes down.
But wouldn't you rather stuff free? Like.. I spent 50$ on music the other day.. I coulda donated it to cancer research had the music been free..
I think don't feel the internet should be censored.
You wouldn't have donated it though so your argument is pointless. Sure everyone wants stuff to be free, but that's never going to happen without getting something in return no one would make anything and then there would be nothing for free. It's the way the world works and asking if we would rather stuff be free is like asking wouldn't it be cooler if we all had unicorns that we could ride and fly anywhere we wanted?
On January 23 2012 11:02 Jibba wrote: New laws and shutting down illegal, lying file sharing sites is completely different. I'm 100% against SOPA and PIPA, but I have no problem with MU getting what was coming. Even if I watch shows there, I don't feel entitled to them if the site goes down.
But wouldn't you rather stuff free? Like.. I spent 50$ on music the other day.. I coulda donated it to cancer research had the music been free..
I think don't feel the internet should be censored.
You could have just donated it to cancer out of the goodness of your heart...
why should music be free? someone put effort into making it.
I never said it "should be" I said I would rather it free. It's the record labels making most of the cash off of the CDs regardless. I have bills to pay, etc. I can't throw away money. but say if I had extra money with nothing to purchase (music in this example) then I would be more willing to donate, etc.
You could just go without music. There's no rule out there that says you absolutely need everything you want. You're not entitled to having the music at all, much less cheaper music.
The other side of that coin is that the artists/media companies are not entitled to a massive profit either. It takes zero effort to make a copy, and a lot of effort to create the original. That's the problem. Once the original has been paid for there is no reason for the creator to earn more. A reasonable term for copyright these days would probably be 5 years, maybe less, because if you haven't turned a profit by then you probably never will. Instead we get perpetual copyright extensions that are completely perverting the original purpose of copyright (provide incentive to create).
It's a complex issue and anyone who pretends it isn't is either lying or an idiot.
Meh this is like sticking your finger in each hole that sprouts in a dam. This will inconvenience people until they find another solution. The internet was made for sharing information in every capacity, you can't stop it without severely gimping the internet/innovation. Yeah piracy is wrong and the governments and companies have every right to go after those KNOWINGLY distributing their products illegally. But there will always be a way. The lazies will be the only ones hurt by this. If piracy comes to an end in my lifetime I'd be surprised, I wouldn't be surprised though if companies profit margins shrink after that fact. Let's not kid ourselves, the majority of piracy is done by people without a great amount of disposable income.
That person that pirates your material at 15 eventually grows up to have a job and because of his exposure early on to your product will more than likely spend his money on it in the future. If you spent your teenage years watching movies, you're most likely going to continue that in your 20's and 30's. If you grew up reading that's what you will do the majority of. Either way it'll be interesting how things continue to move forward from here.
On January 23 2012 11:27 themask4f wrote: This is fucking madness. US congress has gone too far, they should be working for their voters, not their lobbyists
Well it's not like we can stage a rebellion or anything, I mean bringing down the unnecessary people that hurt our everyday lives with brute force seems a bit much. But then again it's not like a petition will do much either.
So the people are caught in this, I want to fight but I can't really fight situation. =/
On January 23 2012 11:02 Jibba wrote: New laws and shutting down illegal, lying file sharing sites is completely different. I'm 100% against SOPA and PIPA, but I have no problem with MU getting what was coming. Even if I watch shows there, I don't feel entitled to them if the site goes down.
But wouldn't you rather stuff free? Like.. I spent 50$ on music the other day.. I coulda donated it to cancer research had the music been free..
I think don't feel the internet should be censored.
You could have just donated it to cancer out of the goodness of your heart...
why should music be free? someone put effort into making it.
I never said it "should be" I said I would rather it free. It's the record labels making most of the cash off of the CDs regardless. I have bills to pay, etc. I can't throw away money. but say if I had extra money with nothing to purchase (music in this example) then I would be more willing to donate, etc.
You could just go without music. There's no rule out there that says you absolutely need everything you want. You're not entitled to having the music at all, much less cheaper music.
Odd logic your using there, its wrong to share with FS but its ok with Pandora and Youtube?
No matter what way you put it youtube is down there with FS, its the exactly the same thing. Youtube pays uploaders, FS pays uploaders, Youtube removes copyrighted material, FS removes copyrighted material. Therefore you should agree that Youtube should only allow private access just like FS does. Have fun with that.
If you use youtube to stream music from non-affiliated channels, then you have no real basis to back up the removal of Megaupload and FS sharing. Its exactly the same thing, I guess some peoples views are distorted by authoritarianism.
On January 23 2012 11:02 Jibba wrote: New laws and shutting down illegal, lying file sharing sites is completely different. I'm 100% against SOPA and PIPA, but I have no problem with MU getting what was coming. Even if I watch shows there, I don't feel entitled to them if the site goes down.
But wouldn't you rather stuff free? Like.. I spent 50$ on music the other day.. I coulda donated it to cancer research had the music been free..
I think don't feel the internet should be censored.
You could have just donated it to cancer out of the goodness of your heart...
why should music be free? someone put effort into making it.
I never said it "should be" I said I would rather it free. It's the record labels making most of the cash off of the CDs regardless. I have bills to pay, etc. I can't throw away money. but say if I had extra money with nothing to purchase (music in this example) then I would be more willing to donate, etc.
You could just go without music. There's no rule out there that says you absolutely need everything you want. You're not entitled to having the music at all, much less cheaper music.
On January 23 2012 11:27 themask4f wrote: This is fucking madness. US congress has gone too far, they should be working for their voters, not their lobbyists
On January 23 2012 11:24 Detwiler wrote: SOPA and PIPA not passed? Fuck it who cares lets shut down sites anyways.
Love, The U.S Government
There seems to be a misconception about what happened. The US government did nothing to Filesonic to make them shutdown the filesharing portion of their website, Filesonic has done that by itself, because of fears of being just like megaupload. This is the exact thing the governement wanted to do, make megaupload a example case and make other companies crack down on the illegal filesharing on their own.
On January 23 2012 11:27 themask4f wrote: This is fucking madness. US congress has gone too far, they should be working for their voters, not their lobbyists
omg taking down companies who make money by being an illegal distribution center for shit that normally costs money to get. Having rewards for sharing files esp more money for larger files just make it look like you want to move games and movies
On January 23 2012 11:38 Jibba wrote: What? You use YouTube to listen to specific songs. There's nothing questionable about it at all. The artist gets your hit.
Not really. There are thousands of random people re-uploading songs to other channels.
On January 23 2012 11:38 Jibba wrote: What? You use YouTube to listen to specific songs. There's nothing questionable about it at all. The artist gets your hit.
He said from non-affiliated channels. AKA some randy taking the music he bought and putting it on youtube, not the artist or record company's channel.
On January 23 2012 11:38 Jibba wrote: What? You use YouTube to listen to specific songs. There's nothing questionable about it at all. The artist gets your hit.
Not really. There are thousands of random people re-uploading songs to other channels.
Yes, and they get removed when it's requested. It's still not the same as downloading someone's album.
On January 23 2012 11:38 Jibba wrote: What? You use YouTube to listen to specific songs. There's nothing questionable about it at all. Artist gets your hit.
If I load an entire album of an artist that auto-playlists, but the uploader is not affiliated with the artist what do you call that?
I can download entire albums of youtube at high quality, maybe not flak but still FS quality.
On January 23 2012 11:38 Jibba wrote: What? You use YouTube to listen to specific songs. There's nothing questionable about it at all. The artist gets your hit.
Not really. There are thousands of random people re-uploading songs to other channels.
Yes, and they get removed when it's requested. It's still not the same as downloading someone's album.
In my opinion it is. I could easily download 1000s of songs a day using only youtube.
Granted, with movies and games you can't (as movies don't last long on YT) but when it comes to music it's just as bad as any other file sharing site.
On January 23 2012 11:38 Jibba wrote: What? You use YouTube to listen to specific songs. There's nothing questionable about it at all. The artist gets your hit.
Not really. There are thousands of random people re-uploading songs to other channels.
Yes, and they get removed when it's requested. It's still not the same as downloading someone's album.
Same as Filesonic, all filehosts do this even Megaupload, what's the difference?
On January 23 2012 11:27 themask4f wrote: This is fucking madness. US congress has gone too far, they should be working for their voters, not their lobbyists
omg taking down companies who make money by being an illegal distribution center for shit that normally costs money to get. Having rewards for sharing files esp more money for larger files just make it look like you want to move games and movies
Youtube also pays uploaders, even illegal ones until they get shutdown. Then again all filehosts shutdown illegal hosters, just like youtube. I guess the only difference is Youtube has google's money and so can do it quicker. Doesn't mean Google is the only one that has a right to create a file sharing site.
On January 23 2012 11:27 themask4f wrote: This is fucking madness. US congress has gone too far, they should be working for their voters, not their lobbyists
On January 23 2012 11:24 Detwiler wrote: SOPA and PIPA not passed? Fuck it who cares lets shut down sites anyways.
Love, The U.S Government
There seems to be a misconception about what happened. The US government did nothing to Filesonic to make them shutdown the filesharing portion of their website, Filesonic has done that by itself, because of fears of being just like megaupload. This is the exact thing the governement wanted to do, make megaupload a example case and make other companies crack down on the illegal filesharing on their own.
As long as Filesonic actually has a system that encourages and "induces" copyright infringement, I'm fine with them changing their plans (I actually have no idea how Filesonic operates).
The problem is if sites are suddenly forced to incur costs by taking preventative measures, which the law simply does not require at all. The worst thing that could ever happen to the internet is if the RIAA and MPAA could force everyone else to be their police.
On January 23 2012 11:38 Jibba wrote: What? You use YouTube to listen to specific songs. There's nothing questionable about it at all. Artist gets your hit.
If I load an entire album of an artist that auto-playlists, but the uploader is not affiliated with the artist what do you call that?
I can download entire albums of youtube at high quality, maybe not flak but still FS quality.
Its the same thing.
YouTube automatically detects it and notifies the company. If you have other content, then you're producing something. If not, it'll be taken down. Either way, using YouTube to listen to music is extremely simple, open and profitable for the artist most of the time. Every listen is more advertising.
Other countries need to grow some balls and tell America "No", they aren't the fucking world police even if they like to think they are. They're clearly worried they'll be next.
On January 23 2012 11:38 Jibba wrote: What? You use YouTube to listen to specific songs. There's nothing questionable about it at all. The artist gets your hit.
Not really. There are thousands of random people re-uploading songs to other channels.
Yes, and they get removed when it's requested. It's still not the same as downloading someone's album.
Same as Filesonic, all filehosts do this even Megaupload, what's the difference?
Ding ding, another uninformed person who decided to post before reading the indictment. No, Megaupload didnt. That's why safe harbor laws don't protect them.
On January 23 2012 11:38 Jibba wrote: What? You use YouTube to listen to specific songs. There's nothing questionable about it at all. Artist gets your hit.
If I load an entire album of an artist that auto-playlists, but the uploader is not affiliated with the artist what do you call that?
I can download entire albums of youtube at high quality, maybe not flak but still FS quality.
Its the same thing.
YouTube automatically detects it and notifies the company. If you have other content, then you're producing something. If not, it'll be taken down. Either way, using YouTube to listen to music is extremely simple, open and profitable for the artist most of the time. Every listen is more advertising.
YT does take things down but not immediately and some songs can stay up year after year. The same is true (or should be true) about all file sharing systems, despite megaupload not following on said claims.
As far as the advertising goes, the same can be said about someone downloading a song on filesonic and listening to it there.
On January 23 2012 07:03 yakitate304 wrote: Just put in a request for a refund of my $35, since I paid for my 180 day account on Jan. 2nd, and got a whole 2.5 weeks of use.
Don't really care about the money, but it'd be nice to get it put back into my PayPal account. Not holding my breath though.
If what you paid for is totally legal, then at least in the UK you would definitely be entitled to a refund of the substantial part of the payment, for unreasonable alteration of contract obligation... (Edit: By UK I mean England & Wales)
UK and I believe the EU in general have much better consumer protection laws than the US has.
On January 23 2012 11:38 Jibba wrote: What? You use YouTube to listen to specific songs. There's nothing questionable about it at all. The artist gets your hit.
Not really. There are thousands of random people re-uploading songs to other channels.
Yes, and they get removed when it's requested. It's still not the same as downloading someone's album.
Same as Filesonic, all filehosts do this even Megaupload, what's the difference?
Ding ding, another uninformed person who decided to post before reading the indictment. No, Megaupload didnt. That's why safe harbor laws don't protect them.
lol? I have seen hundreds of links to Megaupload that had been removed for copyright infringement.
On January 23 2012 11:38 Jibba wrote: What? You use YouTube to listen to specific songs. There's nothing questionable about it at all. Artist gets your hit.
If I load an entire album of an artist that auto-playlists, but the uploader is not affiliated with the artist what do you call that?
I can download entire albums of youtube at high quality, maybe not flak but still FS quality.
Its the same thing.
YouTube automatically detects it and notifies the company. If you have other content, then you're producing something. If not, it'll be taken down. Either way, using YouTube to listen to music is extremely simple, open and profitable for the artist most of the time. Every listen is more advertising.
YT does take things down but not immediately and some songs can stay up year after year. The same is true (or should be true) about all file sharing systems, despite megaupload not following on said claims.
As far as the advertising goes, the same can be said about someone downloading a song on filesonic and listening to it there.
When YouTube detects a song, it notifies the publisher and it's up to the to request it be removed. If songs are staying up, then it was never requested.
And no, that type of advertising doesn't work at all on file sharing sites. There is no link to link transfer to an artists' other works from a file sharing site. If you go to an artists' song on YouTube, you get linked along to their other work and other artists under their label.
On January 23 2012 11:53 Craton wrote: The biggest issue of all of this is that sites are being shut down or effectively shut down without a single minute in court.
On January 23 2012 07:03 yakitate304 wrote: Just put in a request for a refund of my $35, since I paid for my 180 day account on Jan. 2nd, and got a whole 2.5 weeks of use.
Don't really care about the money, but it'd be nice to get it put back into my PayPal account. Not holding my breath though.
If what you paid for is totally legal, then at least in the UK you would definitely be entitled to a refund of the substantial part of the payment, for unreasonable alteration of contract obligation... (Edit: By UK I mean England & Wales)
UK and I believe the EU in general have much better consumer protection laws than the US has.
On January 23 2012 11:38 Jibba wrote: What? You use YouTube to listen to specific songs. There's nothing questionable about it at all. The artist gets your hit.
Not really. There are thousands of random people re-uploading songs to other channels.
Yes, and they get removed when it's requested. It's still not the same as downloading someone's album.
Same as Filesonic, all filehosts do this even Megaupload, what's the difference?
Ding ding, another uninformed person who decided to post before reading the indictment. No, Megaupload didnt. That's why safe harbor laws don't protect them.
lol? I have seen hundreds of links to Megaupload that had been removed for copyright infringement.
Why would I care what a lawyer who is clearly trying to frame his case in the best possible light has to say when I have personally seen hundreds of times the exact opposite?
On January 23 2012 11:57 Craton wrote: Why would I care what a lawyer who is clearly trying to frame his case in the best possible light has to say when I have personally seen hundreds of times the exact opposite?
Why would anyone care what you have to say when you haven't done an ounce of due diligence and are completely ignorant of the situation at hand? Your opinion is completely worthless in this discussion until you read up on it.
If you made comments like that in the strategy forum without having watched the replay, you'd get banned.
On January 23 2012 11:38 Jibba wrote: What? You use YouTube to listen to specific songs. There's nothing questionable about it at all. Artist gets your hit.
If I load an entire album of an artist that auto-playlists, but the uploader is not affiliated with the artist what do you call that?
I can download entire albums of youtube at high quality, maybe not flak but still FS quality.
Its the same thing.
YouTube automatically detects it and notifies the company. If you have other content, then you're producing something. If not, it'll be taken down. Either way, using YouTube to listen to music is extremely simple, open and profitable for the artist most of the time. Every listen is more advertising.
Everywhere you go there is music illegally uploaded on youtube. You have to be kidding yourself if you think auto-detect is foolproof, its not even close.
Your last point doesn't make sense to me. The argument can be applied to music sharing hosts cohesively as a whole, how does that help the situation at all?
On January 23 2012 11:38 Jibba wrote: What? You use YouTube to listen to specific songs. There's nothing questionable about it at all. The artist gets your hit.
Not really. There are thousands of random people re-uploading songs to other channels.
Yes, and they get removed when it's requested. It's still not the same as downloading someone's album.
Same as Filesonic, all filehosts do this even Megaupload, what's the difference?
Ding ding, another uninformed person who decided to post before reading the indictment. No, Megaupload didnt. That's why safe harbor laws don't protect them.
Ding ding. Megaupload did ban users and delete copyrighted material.
Megaupload made a big mistake in making a joke about it and trying to file a lawsuit against WMG (http://www.itproportal.com/2011/12/13/megaupload-files-lawsuit-against-universal-music-group-after-removal-youtube-video/). Megaupload suddenly became a threat to WMG and so WMG decided to kick their asses. However this is just one case of WMG stepping out of line and removing a song that was totally legal, original, and legitimate.
They simply do not have the resources to ban everyone, nobody does, youtube has a lot more man-power, but many people still slip through the cracks.
Youtube also profits from people uploading material illegally, and promotes it by giving money to uploaders. Should youtube be taken down too?
You might think Youtube is not hot on the radar, they are, but nobody wants to wage war with a global superpower. I've never used Pandora, so I can't say, but if you can stream illegally uploaded music on it, it should be up there with the rest.
On January 23 2012 11:57 Craton wrote: Why would I care what a lawyer who is clearly trying to frame his case in the best possible light has to say when I have personally seen hundreds of times the exact opposite?
On January 23 2012 11:57 Craton wrote: Why would I care what a lawyer who is clearly trying to frame his case in the best possible light has to say when I have personally seen hundreds of times the exact opposite?
Why would anyone care what you have to say when you haven't done an ounce of due diligence and are completely ignorant of the situation at hand? Your opinion is completely worthless in this discussion until you read up on it.
If you made comments like that in the strategy forum without having watched the replay, you'd get banned.
Personal attacks like you've been doing in the last few pages would as well.
YouTube is protected by safe harbor laws. Megaupload isn't because READ THE FUCKING INDICTMENT. I'm done arguing with ignoramuses about this. You do not know what the fuck you're talking about, because youve chosen to remain ignorant instead of spending 30 minutes to educate yourself.
On January 23 2012 11:57 Craton wrote: Why would I care what a lawyer who is clearly trying to frame his case in the best possible light has to say when I have personally seen hundreds of times the exact opposite?
Why would anyone care what you have to say when you haven't done an ounce of due diligence and are completely ignorant of the situation at hand? Your opinion is completely worthless in this discussion until you read up on it.
If you made comments like that in the strategy forum without having watched the replay, you'd get banned.
Personal attacks like you've been doing in the last few pages would as well.
They're not ad hominems. They're based in the fact that you haven't done your reading, yet you think you deserve to be heard. There is a minimum requirement of effort in order to be taken seriously, and you are not meeting that minimum. That should be the standard across TL.
On January 23 2012 12:04 Jibba wrote: YouTube is protected by safe harbor laws. Megaupload isn't because READ THE FUCKING INDICTMENT. I'm done arguing with ignoramuses about this. You do not know what the fuck you're talking about, because youve chosen to remain ignorant instead of spending 30 minutes to educate yourself.
It's kind of silly to take the accusations as anything more than accusations until the case is decided. I mean, nowhere have we seen the supposed e-mails, no where have Megaupload employees admitted anything in public. All we have is the investigation's accusations that still need to be proven in court. Unless you've seen otherwise, and I'd be really interested if you have, I don't understand why you come off so aggressive with only accusations to back your viewpoint.
On January 23 2012 12:04 Jibba wrote: YouTube is protected by safe harbor laws. Megaupload isn't because READ THE FUCKING INDICTMENT. I'm done arguing with ignoramuses about this. You do not know what the fuck you're talking about, because youve chosen to remain ignorant instead of spending 30 minutes to educate yourself.
It's kind of silly to take the accusations as anything more than accusations until the case is decided. I mean, nowhere have we seen the supposed e-mails, no where have Megaupload employees admitted anything in public. All we have is the investigation's accusations that still need to be proven in court. Unless you've seen otherwise, and I'd be really interested if you have, I don't understand why you come off so aggressive with only accusations to back your viewpoint.
why would they admit anything in public... it's kind of silly to think that they would.
On January 23 2012 12:04 Jibba wrote: YouTube is protected by safe harbor laws. Megaupload isn't because READ THE FUCKING INDICTMENT. I'm done arguing with ignoramuses about this. You do not know what the fuck you're talking about, because youve chosen to remain ignorant instead of spending 30 minutes to educate yourself.
It's kind of silly to take the accusations as anything more than accusations until the case is decided. I mean, nowhere have we seen the supposed e-mails, no where have Megaupload employees admitted anything in public. All we have is the investigation's accusations that still need to be proven in court. Unless you've seen otherwise, and I'd be really interested if you have, I don't understand why you come off so aggressive with only accusations to back your viewpoint.
Then you argue that the evidence is not credible or was obtained illegally. That is a proper argument, which while I may not agree with it, is actually a possible conclusion that I must accept. That is based on having done research and understanding the full situation. Saying "Megaupload is following DHCA!!!" shows you didn't do the research, thus you're arguing from ignorance.
How can we possibly have a real discussion if one side isn't caught up? It's like discussing a calculus problem with someone who's only up to trig.
On January 23 2012 12:04 Jibba wrote: YouTube is protected by safe harbor laws. Megaupload isn't because READ THE FUCKING INDICTMENT. I'm done arguing with ignoramuses about this. You do not know what the fuck you're talking about, because youve chosen to remain ignorant instead of spending 30 minutes to educate yourself.
It's kind of silly to take the accusations as anything more than accusations until the case is decided. I mean, nowhere have we seen the supposed e-mails, no where have Megaupload employees admitted anything in public. All we have is the investigation's accusations that still need to be proven in court. Unless you've seen otherwise, and I'd be really interested if you have, I don't understand why you come off so aggressive with only accusations to back your viewpoint.
He's aggressive because people come in here with no fucking clue whats going on and start spouting nonsense. If you want to discuss the validity of what the FBI claims then I think there's a decent discussion to be had. However, most people are 100% ignorant and think that what youtube does and what megaupload is accused of doing are even close to the same level.
And filesonic and megaupload are no different except that maybe the filesonic owners werent stupid enough to admit everything in writing.
I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
not really surprised about this, I'm thinking we will see quite a few other sites doing the same very soon.
To be honest i am glad they are finally cracking down on the worst offenders, maybe now the idiots who want to push SOPA will notice that we don't actually need SOPA. What we need is some effort to actually enforce the laws currently in effect.
Ps: To the people still trying to defend Megaupload I'd highly recommend you either attack the validity of the evidence or the legality of how they got said evidence. You can hardly claim that a site operates under the safe harbour rules, if the prosecution has emails in their evidence which show they knowingly ignored those. Personally i have no idea how they obtained their evidence, but I am fairly sure those details will come out in court. Until then i have to consider the allegations as unproven, but frankly it's hard to deny that megaupload had quite a stash of illegal content.
On January 23 2012 12:29 Tula wrote: To be honest i am glad they are finally cracking down on the worst offenders, maybe now the idiots who want to push SOPA will notice that we don't actually need SOPA. What we need is some effort to actually enforce the laws currently in effect.
Have you ever heard of what the MPAA / RIAA actually want to push through as legislation or are you actually high right now?
On January 23 2012 12:04 Jibba wrote: YouTube is protected by safe harbor laws. Megaupload isn't because READ THE FUCKING INDICTMENT. I'm done arguing with ignoramuses about this. You do not know what the fuck you're talking about, because youve chosen to remain ignorant instead of spending 30 minutes to educate yourself.
Calm down bro.
First thing I did was read the indictment, it would have been the first thing everyone did (or the summary at least).
I'm pointing out that you can't justify anti-music piracy and say Pandora and Youtube is still there. Regardless of what the owners do with the site, the users are still using it in the same way and the services it provides still behave in the same way. The safe harbor laws does not mean anything when it comes to the justification of illegally downloading from youtube over megaupload or filesonic.
Also, how can you know that Pandora is not doing the same as Megaupload? You can't, unless you raid their mansion first.
You should realise that the investigators did not know most of the details that is in the indictment until they did the raid. When they did they struck gold, they got exactly what they wanted, then used the information to justify their case. Nearly all of the shit that will be used against them will be stuff like the emails, which was only discovered after the raid. I'm pretty sure that if it wasn't for this raid, Megaupload would have had a chance at not losing anything at all. Also just because I email someone to do something, isn't enough evidence to say that the user who received the email actually committed the action. I'm not going to jail for writing in a diary that I killed someone (at least in Australia), I might go to court though.
I haven't found much evidence in the indictment that Megaupload did not adhere to the safe harbor laws, what would have been known pre-raid.
For example: Megaupload deleted material, by blocking the URL, and not deleting the file. However how could anyone know this? As far as I'm concerned, if you block the URL you are achieving the same thing. People can't download that file. Technically they are in the wrong, but how can you know this until you raid the place first? This kind of case possibly opens the flood gates for the Music Groups with the help of Feds to just raid filesharing sites just on a hunch.
Not once did I ever say Megaupload didn't deserve what was coming to them. The court hasn't made a decision yet, Megaupload probably won't come off scott free, that is not to say that they won't, and we know that not all the accusations will hold. As the MU lawyer described, it is a civil case disguised as a criminal case. Megaupload is still innocent until proven guilty.
The safe harbor laws are there because as I pointed out earlier, nobody has the resources to control it perfectly. People can just as illegally do what they did on megaupload or filesonic, as on youtube. Safe harbor laws still hasn't stopped the armada of music companies from trying to sue ISPs, and they just keep escalating it till they get what they want, the law means shit all to them. (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/iinet-copyright-case-in-high-court/story-e6frgakx-1226210317211)
Note that iiNet hasn't done anything wrong (iirc they have won many court-cases already). The overall court case possibly taking years.
You can't say to me with a straight face that you have never listened to music off a channel that wasn't affiliated with an artist, therefore you are listening to the music illegally, that is "bad for the artist". If it wasn't WMG wouldn't be blocking music on OVAs.
What I'm pointing out that there is no clear cut justification to what you have been mentioning. You can't just put this in black and white and recommend youtube and pandora, and imply that people should just get over themselves with megaupload and filesonic.
On January 23 2012 11:57 Craton wrote: Why would I care what a lawyer who is clearly trying to frame his case in the best possible light has to say when I have personally seen hundreds of times the exact opposite?
Why would anyone care what you have to say when you haven't done an ounce of due diligence and are completely ignorant of the situation at hand? Your opinion is completely worthless in this discussion until you read up on it.
If you made comments like that in the strategy forum without having watched the replay, you'd get banned.
Craton you're right ! I too have seen many megaupload files that had been '' removed due to copyright violation ''. But if you read the indictment they explain that megaupload didn't actually remove the file from their servers but removed the ( I forget what they called it ) but let's say they removed the '' megaupload url '', but the file stayed on the server.
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
On January 23 2012 11:57 Craton wrote: Why would I care what a lawyer who is clearly trying to frame his case in the best possible light has to say when I have personally seen hundreds of times the exact opposite?
Why would anyone care what you have to say when you haven't done an ounce of due diligence and are completely ignorant of the situation at hand? Your opinion is completely worthless in this discussion until you read up on it.
If you made comments like that in the strategy forum without having watched the replay, you'd get banned.
Craton you're right ! I too have seen many megaupload files that had been '' removed due to copyright violation ''. But if you read the indictment they explain that megaupload didn't actually remove the file from their servers but removed the ( I forget what they called it ) but let's say they removed the '' megaupload url '', but the file stayed on the server.
This is actually standard practice with a lot of websites. Certain types of databases perform much better when items are not deleted, due to the search algorithm (See Hash vs BTree). Even Facebook did this with deleted posts and personal information.
A case could be made that they were doing this for performance, because it achieved the same thing, they did not realise they were doing anything wrong.
This is going to inevitably turn into a full on piracy debate, so I'll just drop this quote in that I saw a few days back on CNN, of all places.
In business you have to understand pricing. If you charge too much, people will come up with alternate solutions. They will find different venders.
For example, if you tried to charge $10 for a bottle of water, people would just get it from the tap. Even if you somehow owned the rights to drinking water, if the people can turn a faucet and get nearly the same thing for free, they are gong to.
Digital content delivery has changed everything. The ability to get things instantly over the internet has changed practical business models. Things like packaging, shipping, hard-copy productions and storefronts are no longer needed to deliver movies, books and music. There's an almost literal digital faucet piped into everyone's home and smart phone. Yet, the people producing content still want to charge the same prices they did under the old model. It won't work. It's too easy to turn a faucet and get it for free.
The only solution is to charge a price people are willing to pay. And when coming up with a price, you have to look at how easy it is for people to get your content for less somewhere else. Those are harsh business realities. You can call the people who refuse to pay your high prices pirates and criminals, but what they really are is consumers making basic purchasing decisions. Should I pay $39 for this movie, or should I grab a hacked copy from some foreign site for free; the consumer will ask themselves.
Netflix has proved beyond doubt that people will pay to download movies if doing so is made easier and the quality is better than pirated versions. Streaming live from TV, watching on any computer, so on and so forth. Spotify, Pandora, and iTunes repeatedly have proven that people are willing to pay money or accept advertisements, for music they could just as easily go out and pirate. It has nothing to do with people being criminals, thieves, or whatever. The main issue, simply, is the service being provided. A prime example is Russia. Russia has one of the largest piracy communities in the world, in terms of gaming. So developers just didn't localize games for the Russians, since they would "pirate them anyways."
Well, when Steam began to localize their games for Russians -- the results were staggering. Millions of Russian consumers began purchasing games instead of pirating them. Why? Because one, they finally had actual access to a legitimate product -- and secondly, the SERVICE being provided was greater than that of torrent sites. Before, those cracking games provided a better -- and most of all free service. Now, with aspects of Steam, they are willing to pay because of the improved service and convenience. To reiterate, that same exact thing happens with Spotify, Netflix, Pandora, iTunes, so on and so forth. Stop treating your consumers like criminals. Treat them like consumers.
The people who support stricter copyright laws and who are trying to shut down pirate sites are fighting to keep their old model alive. They are trying to go against nature. Instead of the consumer setting the price on the open market, they are trying to control the market in a way that allows them to dictate price.
We don't need new laws to prop up a dying business model. We need businesses that understand pricing and open markets.
On January 23 2012 12:04 Jibba wrote: YouTube is protected by safe harbor laws. Megaupload isn't because READ THE FUCKING INDICTMENT. I'm done arguing with ignoramuses about this. You do not know what the fuck you're talking about, because youve chosen to remain ignorant instead of spending 30 minutes to educate yourself.
First thing I did was read the indictment, it would have been the first thing everyone did (or the summary at least).
I'm pointing out that you can't justify anti-music piracy and say Pandora and Youtube is still there. Regardless of what the owners do with the site, the users are still using it in the same way and the services it provides still behave in the same way. The safe harbor laws does not mean anything when it comes to the justification of illegally downloading from youtube over megaupload or filesonic.
Also, how can you know that Pandora is not doing the same as Megaupload? You can't, unless you raid their mansion first.
You should realise that the investigators did not know most of the details that is in the indictment until they did the raid. When they did they struck gold, they got exactly what they wanted, then used the information to justify their case. Nearly all of the shit that will be used against them will be stuff like the emails, which was only discovered after the raid. I'm pretty sure that if it wasn't for this raid, Megaupload would have had a chance at not losing anything at all. Also just because I email someone to do something, isn't enough evidence to say that the user who received the email actually committed the action. I'm not going to jail for writing in a diary that I killed someone (at least in Australia), I might go to court though.
I haven't found much evidence in the indictment that Megaupload did not adhere to the safe harbor laws, what would have been known pre-raid.
For example: Megaupload deleted material, by blocking the URL, and not deleting the file. However how could anyone know this? As far as I'm concerned, if you block the URL you are achieving the same thing. People can't download that file. Technically they are in the wrong, but how can you know this until you raid the place first? This kind of case possibly opens the flood gates for the Music Groups with the help of Feds to just raid filesharing sites just on a hunch.
Not once did I ever say Megaupload didn't deserve what was coming to them. The court hasn't made a decision yet, Megaupload probably won't come off scott free, that is not to say that they won't, and we know that not all the accusations will hold. As the MU lawyer described, it is a civil case disguised as a criminal case. Megaupload is still innocent until proven guilty.
The safe harbor laws are there because as I pointed out earlier, nobody has the resources to control it perfectly. People can just as illegally do what they did on megaupload or filesonic, as on youtube. Safe harbor laws still hasn't stopped the armada of music companies from trying to sue ISPs, and they just keep escalating it till they get what they want, the law means shit all to them. (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/iinet-copyright-case-in-high-court/story-e6frgakx-1226210317211)
Note that iiNet hasn't done anything wrong (iirc they have won many court-cases already). The overall court case possibly taking years.
You can't say to me with a straight face that you have never listened to music off a channel that wasn't affiliated with an artist, therefore you are listening to the music illegally, that is "bad for the artist". If it wasn't WMG wouldn't be blocking music on OVAs.
What I'm pointing out that there is no clear cut justification to what you have been mentioning. You can't just put this in black and white and recommend youtube and pandora, and imply that people should just get over themselves with megaupload and filesonic.
So you have no clue what Pandora is and keep using it as your poster child for "pirating" and make a total ass of yourself. Pandora has no uploading capabilities, has ads interlaced into listening to your music so they can make money and pay artists/record companies and clearly do not promote any sort of piracy. A quick google probably would've shown this to you, but whatever.
On January 23 2012 12:04 Jibba wrote: YouTube is protected by safe harbor laws. Megaupload isn't because READ THE FUCKING INDICTMENT. I'm done arguing with ignoramuses about this. You do not know what the fuck you're talking about, because youve chosen to remain ignorant instead of spending 30 minutes to educate yourself.
First thing I did was read the indictment, it would have been the first thing everyone did (or the summary at least).
I'm pointing out that you can't justify anti-music piracy and say Pandora and Youtube is still there. Regardless of what the owners do with the site, the users are still using it in the same way and the services it provides still behave in the same way. The safe harbor laws does not mean anything when it comes to the justification of illegally downloading from youtube over megaupload or filesonic.
Also, how can you know that Pandora is not doing the same as Megaupload? You can't, unless you raid their mansion first.
You should realise that the investigators did not know most of the details that is in the indictment until they did the raid. When they did they struck gold, they got exactly what they wanted, then used the information to justify their case. Nearly all of the shit that will be used against them will be stuff like the emails, which was only discovered after the raid. I'm pretty sure that if it wasn't for this raid, Megaupload would have had a chance at not losing anything at all. Also just because I email someone to do something, isn't enough evidence to say that the user who received the email actually committed the action. I'm not going to jail for writing in a diary that I killed someone (at least in Australia), I might go to court though.
I haven't found much evidence in the indictment that Megaupload did not adhere to the safe harbor laws, what would have been known pre-raid.
For example: Megaupload deleted material, by blocking the URL, and not deleting the file. However how could anyone know this? As far as I'm concerned, if you block the URL you are achieving the same thing. People can't download that file. Technically they are in the wrong, but how can you know this until you raid the place first? This kind of case possibly opens the flood gates for the Music Groups with the help of Feds to just raid filesharing sites just on a hunch.
Not once did I ever say Megaupload didn't deserve what was coming to them. The court hasn't made a decision yet, Megaupload probably won't come off scott free, that is not to say that they won't, and we know that not all the accusations will hold. As the MU lawyer described, it is a civil case disguised as a criminal case. Megaupload is still innocent until proven guilty.
The safe harbor laws are there because as I pointed out earlier, nobody has the resources to control it perfectly. People can just as illegally do what they did on megaupload or filesonic, as on youtube. Safe harbor laws still hasn't stopped the armada of music companies from trying to sue ISPs, and they just keep escalating it till they get what they want, the law means shit all to them. (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/iinet-copyright-case-in-high-court/story-e6frgakx-1226210317211)
Note that iiNet hasn't done anything wrong (iirc they have won many court-cases already). The overall court case possibly taking years.
You can't say to me with a straight face that you have never listened to music off a channel that wasn't affiliated with an artist, therefore you are listening to the music illegally, that is "bad for the artist". If it wasn't WMG wouldn't be blocking music on OVAs.
What I'm pointing out that there is no clear cut justification to what you have been mentioning. You can't just put this in black and white and recommend youtube and pandora, and imply that people should just get over themselves with megaupload and filesonic.
So you have no clue what Pandora is and keep using it as your poster child for "pirating" and make a total ass of yourself. Pandora has no uploading capabilities, has ads interlaced into listening to your music so they can make money and pay artists/record companies and clearly do not promote any sort of piracy. A quick google probably would've shown this to you, but whatever.
How could Pandora even be remotely attributed to piracy? They do the same shit Radio does. Buy songs, play them, give you ads, give more revenue to the artists...
On January 23 2012 12:04 Jibba wrote: YouTube is protected by safe harbor laws. Megaupload isn't because READ THE FUCKING INDICTMENT. I'm done arguing with ignoramuses about this. You do not know what the fuck you're talking about, because youve chosen to remain ignorant instead of spending 30 minutes to educate yourself.
First thing I did was read the indictment, it would have been the first thing everyone did (or the summary at least).
I'm pointing out that you can't justify anti-music piracy and say Pandora and Youtube is still there. Regardless of what the owners do with the site, the users are still using it in the same way and the services it provides still behave in the same way. The safe harbor laws does not mean anything when it comes to the justification of illegally downloading from youtube over megaupload or filesonic.
Also, how can you know that Pandora is not doing the same as Megaupload? You can't, unless you raid their mansion first.
You should realise that the investigators did not know most of the details that is in the indictment until they did the raid. When they did they struck gold, they got exactly what they wanted, then used the information to justify their case. Nearly all of the shit that will be used against them will be stuff like the emails, which was only discovered after the raid. I'm pretty sure that if it wasn't for this raid, Megaupload would have had a chance at not losing anything at all. Also just because I email someone to do something, isn't enough evidence to say that the user who received the email actually committed the action. I'm not going to jail for writing in a diary that I killed someone (at least in Australia), I might go to court though.
I haven't found much evidence in the indictment that Megaupload did not adhere to the safe harbor laws, what would have been known pre-raid.
For example: Megaupload deleted material, by blocking the URL, and not deleting the file. However how could anyone know this? As far as I'm concerned, if you block the URL you are achieving the same thing. People can't download that file. Technically they are in the wrong, but how can you know this until you raid the place first? This kind of case possibly opens the flood gates for the Music Groups with the help of Feds to just raid filesharing sites just on a hunch.
Not once did I ever say Megaupload didn't deserve what was coming to them. The court hasn't made a decision yet, Megaupload probably won't come off scott free, that is not to say that they won't, and we know that not all the accusations will hold. As the MU lawyer described, it is a civil case disguised as a criminal case. Megaupload is still innocent until proven guilty.
The safe harbor laws are there because as I pointed out earlier, nobody has the resources to control it perfectly. People can just as illegally do what they did on megaupload or filesonic, as on youtube. Safe harbor laws still hasn't stopped the armada of music companies from trying to sue ISPs, and they just keep escalating it till they get what they want, the law means shit all to them. (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/iinet-copyright-case-in-high-court/story-e6frgakx-1226210317211)
Note that iiNet hasn't done anything wrong (iirc they have won many court-cases already). The overall court case possibly taking years.
You can't say to me with a straight face that you have never listened to music off a channel that wasn't affiliated with an artist, therefore you are listening to the music illegally, that is "bad for the artist". If it wasn't WMG wouldn't be blocking music on OVAs.
What I'm pointing out that there is no clear cut justification to what you have been mentioning. You can't just put this in black and white and recommend youtube and pandora, and imply that people should just get over themselves with megaupload and filesonic.
So you have no clue what Pandora is and keep using it as your poster child for "pirating" and make a total ass of yourself. Pandora has no uploading capabilities, has ads interlaced into listening to your music so they can make money and pay artists/record companies and clearly do not promote any sort of piracy. A quick google probably would've shown this to you, but whatever.
How can I, I can't get access to it to licensing restrictions.
Dear Pandora Visitor,
We are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, we can no longer allow access to Pandora for listeners located outside of the U.S. We will continue to work diligently to realize the vision of a truly global Pandora, but for the time being we are required to restrict its use. We are very sad to have to do this, but there is no other alternative.
We believe that you are in Australia (your IP address appears to be 203.45.89.72). If you believe we have made a mistake, we apologize and ask that you please email us.
If you have been using Pandora, we will keep a record of your existing stations and bookmarked artists and songs, so that when we are able to launch in your country, they will be waiting for you.
We will be notifying listeners as licensing agreements are established in individual countries. If you would like to be notified by email when Pandora is available in your country, please enter your email address below. The pace of global licensing is hard to predict, but we have the ultimate goal of being able to offer our service everywhere.
We share your disappointment and greatly appreciate your understanding.
Sincerely,
Tim Westergren Founder
Enter your email address and we will let you know when Pandora is available in your country:
If you read an earlier post you would have realised I was working on an assumption. Ok sure, I'll happily admit I'm wrong. So then how can you imply Pandora as a viable alternative to Megaupload and Filesonic?
You might think Youtube is not hot on the radar, they are, but nobody wants to wage war with a global superpower. I've never used Pandora, so I can't say, but if you can stream illegally uploaded music on it, it should be up there with the rest.
Regardless, the point I'm making has nothing to do with these technicalities. Its to do with the justification of piracy on certain sites over others, which some people think is as clear as day, which its not.
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles?
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles?
Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo!
This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things.
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles?
Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo!
This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things.
And you call him ignorant?
The argument doesn't even make up most of what is being pirated, music and video games can be pretty much obtained if you can read the foreign language that you want to get stuff from. TV shows and movies are a bit different as unless you find an importer you'd have to rely on 1 2 year delay, if at all. That being said it doesn't account for most of what is being pirated, the blockbuster titles for movies and games that are being pirated which are easily available in the vast majoirty of the world.
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles?
Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo!
This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things.
And you call him ignorant?
No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol.
I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true.
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Private trackers are more convenient than steam?
I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam.
Just so this is clear, I don't think anybody is saying that the business practices of many of these companies are optimal at all. But using that as a justification for blatant disregard for existing laws is nothing short of idiotic. If they could be servicing other people and making more money, but arent, then they're stupid business people and missing opportunities... But that's their decision to make.
I think a few people using the internet could do with some education on rule of law principles; there are very few (and they are truly exceptional) circumstances where disobeying the law is an appropriate response to a law you disagree with. Hilariously, it's not even the law people are now disagreeing with but the business practices of people responsible for producing the content... The arguments have changed over the years, but they're still useless.
They have already begun to brainwash people thinking that their brand of intellectual property protection is right. Witness the statements on this thread.
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles?
Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo!
This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things.
And you call him ignorant?
No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol.
I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true.
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Private trackers are more convenient than steam?
I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam.
You don't need to state it explicitly. It is a fair interpretation of the behaviour of yourself and those who share the sentiment.
You've said they have a shit ('inconvenient') service, and that consequently that inconvenience justifies the use of an illegitimate, yet 'superior' service, despite the illegality of it.
How about you just stop consuming? Or at the very least stop whinging when the free ride stops
On January 23 2012 13:55 Chunhyang wrote: They have already begun to brainwash people thinking that their brand of intellectual property protection is right. Witness the statements on this thread.
the fuck you are talking about, it's not a right, in the same way you are putting it as, YOU register with the government for such protections. It's not that different from entering with a contract with someone or perhaps government enforcement of that should stop as well?
On January 23 2012 13:55 Chunhyang wrote: They have already begun to brainwash people thinking that their brand of intellectual property protection is right. Witness the statements on this thread.
the fuck you are talking about, it's not a right as you are putting it, YOU register with the government for such protections. It's not that different from entering with a contract with someone or perhaps government enforcement of that should stop as well?
You don't register with the government to hold copyright. The US recognizes all works as being automatically covered by copyright law at the time of their creation. The law that put this into effect in 1989 was the start of the very insane direction US copyright law has taken.
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles?
Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo!
This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things.
And you call him ignorant?
No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol.
I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true.
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Private trackers are more convenient than steam?
I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam.
Well I can tell you since I have an account in both private. Steam is more convenient. Automatic updates is just one of the reasons that make steam better than private trackers. The only "convenience" you get from using private trackers is that you don't have to give up other things in order to spend money on a game.
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles?
Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo!
This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things.
And you call him ignorant?
No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol.
I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true.
On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:
On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:
On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Private trackers are more convenient than steam?
I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam.
You don't need to state it explicitly. It is a fair interpretation of the behaviour of yourself and those who share the sentiment.
You've said they have a shit ('inconvenient') service, and that consequently that inconvenience justifies the use of an illegitimate, yet 'superior' service, despite the illegality of it.
How about you just stop consuming? Or at the very least stop whinging when the free ride stops
I just pointed out that your argument is weak and you call me a complainer? Lol.
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles?
Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo!
This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things.
And you call him ignorant?
No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol.
I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true.
On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:
On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:
On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Private trackers are more convenient than steam?
I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam.
Well I can tell you since I have an account in both private. Steam is more convenient. Automatic updates is just one of the reasons that make steam better than private trackers. The only "convenience" you get from using private trackers is that you don't have to give up other things in order to spend money on a game.
You forgot being able to play a game without being connected to the Internet and also being able to play a game if Steam goes out of business. The fact is that under current models of video game distribution you never own a copy of a game, you only lease the content from the distributer. While this model has its upsides, it is fundamentally different than distribution models of the past.
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles?
Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo!
This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things.
And you call him ignorant?
No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol.
I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true.
On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:
On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:
On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Private trackers are more convenient than steam?
I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam.
Well I can tell you since I have an account in both private. Steam is more convenient. Automatic updates is just one of the reasons that make steam better than private trackers. The only "convenience" you get from using private trackers is that you don't have to give up other things in order to spend money on a game.
You forgot being able to play a game without being connected to the Internet and also being able to play a game if Steam goes out of business. The fact is that under current models of video game distribution you never own a copy of a game, you only lease the content from the distributer. While this model has its upsides, it is fundamentally different than distribution models of the past.
You can play games on steam without being connected to the internet. You need to launch them online 1 time so they will "unlock" IIRC. After that you can play just fine in offline mode. And if steam goes out of business, they will release a patch that will remove the need for this unlock, thus allowing you to play all the games you own. And they will not go out of business, it's like warner disappearing. It's like someone saying that piracy is dangerous because some day the government might develop a program that will allow them to go inside of your computer and look for pirated content.
On January 23 2012 13:17 semantics wrote: Just showing that jibba is right to be irate about people talking out of their ass on this subject.
Dunno if this was referring to me but I do not admit to being wrong about my point. I didn't deviate from the point of my first post, or others that followed. They were never quoted in reply, which I guess is why people are confused. As I went a long I had to explain more and more what I meant. It was also in response to a lot of other commenters, not just Jibba.
A lot of people will simply not question their own point of view or what they see, and when people do, they are quick to justify their own beliefs by thinking and saying the other guy "does not know anything". This is extremely low level and borderline immature thinking, and I do not believe "validates a right" to swear and make accusations of other posters.
I never would believe people are right to be irate about posts on a forum. A lot of people will post as if things are just cut and dry because they don't actually spend time to think about what they read and don't look at both sides of the story or try and give a plain answer which they didn't really think about. Instead of telling people to look at the facts (which at this point, are still accusations), why not point out what they missed? Its just as easy and more productive than giving a no content reply.
I for sure for one do not believe one bit that ease of use is a good justification for piracy. However I do believe that ones that capitalise on these advancements in technology, are combating this problem in a positive way, and it shows. "Piracy" has also provided a lot of positive benefits to smaller groups. Regardless piracy is going to remain a problem, and anti-copyright people are fighting an un-winninable battle (one-manga, piratebay, etc), so I believe they are simply throwing lots of money down the drain.
I do not believe that using Youtube in the way that most people use it (watching TV series illegally, listening to music illegally, etc), is a lesser form of piracy compared to using Filesonic or Megaupload. Given the fact that the evidence against Megaupload was the same as what could be used against Youtube pre-raid is almost the same, the point could be made that Megaupload was picked for success-rate rather than legitimacy. For example we do not know if Youtube actually deletes their files, or just removes access to them, but this is going to be a major pressing point for the court case. To me the end result of what Youtube and Megaupload does is the same. If you have watched or listened to music/movies illegally on youtube, how can you invalidate the use of other sites as being worse?
I guess I felt the need to be the devils advocate in this situation.
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles?
Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo!
This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things.
And you call him ignorant?
No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol.
I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true.
On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:
On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:
On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Private trackers are more convenient than steam?
I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam.
You don't need to state it explicitly. It is a fair interpretation of the behaviour of yourself and those who share the sentiment.
You've said they have a shit ('inconvenient') service, and that consequently that inconvenience justifies the use of an illegitimate, yet 'superior' service, despite the illegality of it.
How about you just stop consuming? Or at the very least stop whinging when the free ride stops
I just pointed out that your argument is weak and you call me a complainer? Lol.
What reason is there for me to stop consuming?
LOL
Yeah, because piracy didn't exist before these so-called superior services developed. Because people dont still consume shitloads of content via legitimate means. You are a complainer; it's too hard and too expensive, so you just steal it.
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles?
Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo!
This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things.
And you call him ignorant?
No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol.
I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true.
On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:
On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:
On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Private trackers are more convenient than steam?
I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam.
Well I can tell you since I have an account in both private. Steam is more convenient. Automatic updates is just one of the reasons that make steam better than private trackers. The only "convenience" you get from using private trackers is that you don't have to give up other things in order to spend money on a game.
You forgot being able to play a game without being connected to the Internet and also being able to play a game if Steam goes out of business. The fact is that under current models of video game distribution you never own a copy of a game, you only lease the content from the distributer. While this model has its upsides, it is fundamentally different than distribution models of the past.
You can play games on steam without being connected to the internet.
I own a copy of Bastion on Steam, but I don't have the local content on my computer. I cannot play it without an internet connection, or if Steam goes out of business, and I do not own it. I only lease it. You can look forward to this becoming more extreme in the future as more media types embrace this model. Already we're getting to the point where physical media television is being replaced by Hulu and Netflix, and Google is working on a music model where you only use "the cloud" for music instead of physical media. These moves are being done, in part, to take ownership away form consumers.
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles?
Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo!
This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things.
And you call him ignorant?
No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol.
I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true.
On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:
On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:
On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Private trackers are more convenient than steam?
I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam.
Well I can tell you since I have an account in both private. Steam is more convenient. Automatic updates is just one of the reasons that make steam better than private trackers. The only "convenience" you get from using private trackers is that you don't have to give up other things in order to spend money on a game.
You forgot being able to play a game without being connected to the Internet and also being able to play a game if Steam goes out of business. The fact is that under current models of video game distribution you never own a copy of a game, you only lease the content from the distributer. While this model has its upsides, it is fundamentally different than distribution models of the past.
You can play games on steam without being connected to the internet.
Was about to say this too, as far as I'm aware all steam games can be played in "offline mode"
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles?
Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo!
This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things.
And you call him ignorant?
No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol.
I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true.
On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:
On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:
On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Private trackers are more convenient than steam?
I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam.
Well I can tell you since I have an account in both private. Steam is more convenient. Automatic updates is just one of the reasons that make steam better than private trackers. The only "convenience" you get from using private trackers is that you don't have to give up other things in order to spend money on a game.
You forgot being able to play a game without being connected to the Internet and also being able to play a game if Steam goes out of business. The fact is that under current models of video game distribution you never own a copy of a game, you only lease the content from the distributer. While this model has its upsides, it is fundamentally different than distribution models of the past.
You can play games on steam without being connected to the internet.
I own a copy of Bastion on Steam, but I don't have the local content on my computer. I cannot play it without an internet connection, or if Steam goes out of business, and I do not own it. I only lease it. You can look forward to this becoming more extreme in the future as more media types embrace this model. Already we're getting to the point where physical media television is being replaced by Hulu and Netflix, and Google is working on a music model where you only use "the cloud" for music instead of physical media. These moves are being done, in part, to take ownership away form consumers.
I don't really understand your point...you say you own the game but because you don't have it downloaded you can't play it? Isn't that obvious? I don't see how you can play a pirated game if you don't have it downloaded too.
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles?
Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo!
This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things.
And you call him ignorant?
No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol.
I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true.
On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:
On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:
On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Private trackers are more convenient than steam?
I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam.
Well I can tell you since I have an account in both private. Steam is more convenient. Automatic updates is just one of the reasons that make steam better than private trackers. The only "convenience" you get from using private trackers is that you don't have to give up other things in order to spend money on a game.
You forgot being able to play a game without being connected to the Internet and also being able to play a game if Steam goes out of business. The fact is that under current models of video game distribution you never own a copy of a game, you only lease the content from the distributer. While this model has its upsides, it is fundamentally different than distribution models of the past.
You can play games on steam without being connected to the internet.
I own a copy of Bastion on Steam, but I don't have the local content on my computer. I cannot play it without an internet connection, or if Steam goes out of business, and I do not own it. I only lease it. You can look forward to this becoming more extreme in the future as more media types embrace this model. Already we're getting to the point where physical media television is being replaced by Hulu and Netflix, and Google is working on a music model where you only use "the cloud" for music instead of physical media. These moves are being done, in part, to take ownership away form consumers.
I don't really understand your point...you say you own the game but because you don't have it downloaded you can't play it? Isn't that obvious? I don't see how you can play a pirated game if you don't have it downloaded too.
I own a copy of Need for Speed. Its on a CD sitting next to me. I own this copy of the game and that is legally different from the Steam copy of Bastion that I'm allowed to use. I think this is a pretty easy difference to understand.
I mean, you can understand that a consumer could be worried by the fact that steam can legally just remove your access to a game or ban your account for any reason at any time right?
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles?
Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo!
This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things.
And you call him ignorant?
No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol.
I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true.
On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:
On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:
On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote: [quote]
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Private trackers are more convenient than steam?
I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam.
Well I can tell you since I have an account in both private. Steam is more convenient. Automatic updates is just one of the reasons that make steam better than private trackers. The only "convenience" you get from using private trackers is that you don't have to give up other things in order to spend money on a game.
You forgot being able to play a game without being connected to the Internet and also being able to play a game if Steam goes out of business. The fact is that under current models of video game distribution you never own a copy of a game, you only lease the content from the distributer. While this model has its upsides, it is fundamentally different than distribution models of the past.
You can play games on steam without being connected to the internet.
I own a copy of Bastion on Steam, but I don't have the local content on my computer. I cannot play it without an internet connection, or if Steam goes out of business, and I do not own it. I only lease it. You can look forward to this becoming more extreme in the future as more media types embrace this model. Already we're getting to the point where physical media television is being replaced by Hulu and Netflix, and Google is working on a music model where you only use "the cloud" for music instead of physical media. These moves are being done, in part, to take ownership away form consumers.
I don't really understand your point...you say you own the game but because you don't have it downloaded you can't play it? Isn't that obvious? I don't see how you can play a pirated game if you don't have it downloaded too.
I own a copy of Need for Speed. Its on a CD sitting next to me. I own this copy of the game and that is legally different from the Steam copy of Bastion that I'm allowed to use. I think this is a pretty easy difference to understand.
Yeah but I never mentioned physical media. The discussion was convenience of pirated games Vs convenience of owning a game on a digital platform like steam.
And now you're just going into hypothetical territory. Of course they can ban you, you can also get removed from a cinema , but I doubt you will get without a good reason.
I missed secondary school days, where everything can download from KaZaa. ahh.... so convienient...
It's good I am adult now I can pay for things I want, but I remember when I was secondary school girl, There is so many things I want but so little money.
Right now, I feel fortunate there are pirated things around back then
For awhile, I feel sorry for new generation children because they might not be able to dl illigal things anymore. But, then I remember they are able to access internet at so young age, having smartphone at primary school...
Ah, envy them.
I feel I want to go back, young again. in 2012. Study in secondary school again. >.<
Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles?
Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo!
This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things.
And you call him ignorant?
No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol.
I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true.
On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:
On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote: [quote]
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Private trackers are more convenient than steam?
I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam.
Well I can tell you since I have an account in both private. Steam is more convenient. Automatic updates is just one of the reasons that make steam better than private trackers. The only "convenience" you get from using private trackers is that you don't have to give up other things in order to spend money on a game.
You forgot being able to play a game without being connected to the Internet and also being able to play a game if Steam goes out of business. The fact is that under current models of video game distribution you never own a copy of a game, you only lease the content from the distributer. While this model has its upsides, it is fundamentally different than distribution models of the past.
You can play games on steam without being connected to the internet.
I own a copy of Bastion on Steam, but I don't have the local content on my computer. I cannot play it without an internet connection, or if Steam goes out of business, and I do not own it. I only lease it. You can look forward to this becoming more extreme in the future as more media types embrace this model. Already we're getting to the point where physical media television is being replaced by Hulu and Netflix, and Google is working on a music model where you only use "the cloud" for music instead of physical media. These moves are being done, in part, to take ownership away form consumers.
I don't really understand your point...you say you own the game but because you don't have it downloaded you can't play it? Isn't that obvious? I don't see how you can play a pirated game if you don't have it downloaded too.
I own a copy of Need for Speed. Its on a CD sitting next to me. I own this copy of the game and that is legally different from the Steam copy of Bastion that I'm allowed to use. I think this is a pretty easy difference to understand.
Yeah but I never mentioned physical media. The discussion was convenience of pirated games Vs convenience of owning a game on a digital platform like steam.
I think you got mislead by things I was directing at the other guy who was posting about copyright laws.
On January 23 2012 14:17 sluggaslamoo wrote: I never would believe people are right to be irate about posts on a forum. A lot of people will post as if things are just cut and dry because they don't actually spend time to think about what they read and don't look at both sides of the story or try and give a plain answer which they didn't really think about. Instead of telling people to look at the facts (which at this point, are still accusations), why not point out what they missed? Its just as easy and more productive than giving a no content reply.
Pretty sure he did that. Multiple times. Unfortunately the people whose views he has been attacking, apparently are the same people who dont read the thread before posting.
On January 23 2012 13:32 Brett wrote: [quote] Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo!
This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things.
And you call him ignorant?
No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol.
I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true.
On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote: [quote]Private trackers are more convenient than steam?
I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam.
Well I can tell you since I have an account in both private. Steam is more convenient. Automatic updates is just one of the reasons that make steam better than private trackers. The only "convenience" you get from using private trackers is that you don't have to give up other things in order to spend money on a game.
You forgot being able to play a game without being connected to the Internet and also being able to play a game if Steam goes out of business. The fact is that under current models of video game distribution you never own a copy of a game, you only lease the content from the distributer. While this model has its upsides, it is fundamentally different than distribution models of the past.
You can play games on steam without being connected to the internet.
I own a copy of Bastion on Steam, but I don't have the local content on my computer. I cannot play it without an internet connection, or if Steam goes out of business, and I do not own it. I only lease it. You can look forward to this becoming more extreme in the future as more media types embrace this model. Already we're getting to the point where physical media television is being replaced by Hulu and Netflix, and Google is working on a music model where you only use "the cloud" for music instead of physical media. These moves are being done, in part, to take ownership away form consumers.
I don't really understand your point...you say you own the game but because you don't have it downloaded you can't play it? Isn't that obvious? I don't see how you can play a pirated game if you don't have it downloaded too.
I own a copy of Need for Speed. Its on a CD sitting next to me. I own this copy of the game and that is legally different from the Steam copy of Bastion that I'm allowed to use. I think this is a pretty easy difference to understand.
Yeah but I never mentioned physical media. The discussion was convenience of pirated games Vs convenience of owning a game on a digital platform like steam.
I think you got mislead by things I was directing at the other guy who was posting about copyright laws.
You quoted the wrong person then, go back and read all the discussion.
For example we do not know if Youtube actually deletes their files, or just removes access to them, but this is going to be a major pressing point for the court case.
From skimming parts of the indictment it's not that Megaupload didn't delete the content so much as they didn't delete or block it in a meaningful way. According to the document Megaupload would create multiple links to a singe file. When a complaint was filed that a certain link lead to copyrighted material Megaupload would delete that link but leave all the other links that lead to the copyrighted material in place, effectively not blocking the content at all.
From the indictment:
"The Abuse Tool allowed copyright holders to enter specific URL links to copyright infringing content of which they were aware, and they were told by the Conspiracy that the Mega Conspiracy’s systems would then remove, or disable access to, the material from computer servers the Conspiracy controls."
But...
"If there is more than one URL link to a file, then any attempt by the copyright holder toterminate access to the file using the Abuse Tool or other DMCA takedown request will failbecause the additional access links will continue to be available.The infringing copy of the copyrighted work, therefore, remains on theConspiracy’s systems (and accessible to at least one member of the public) as long as a single link remains unknown to the copyright holder. The Conspiracy’s internal reference databasetracks the links that have been generated by the system, but duplicative links to infringingmaterials are neither disclosed to copyright holders, nor are they automatically deleted when acopyright holder either uses the Abuse Tool or makes a standard DMCA copyright infringementtakedown request. "
On January 23 2012 07:04 sc4k wrote: I have to say, there is being a lot of fuss made about SOPA and PIPA because of free speech, but I think 99% of the opposition is people who download files/ stream files for the purpose of evading copyright and avoiding having to pay. So much moral highgrounding but when it comes down to it people just want to keep their free lunch.
Not only is that not true, but it is an irresponsible thing to say.
^ This, one hundred percent.
You know on another note I've heard of bands who are okay with piracy of their music because it gives them free publicity...
I've also heard that there are artists who'd rather have people buy their music first. Just because artist A says "you can have my stuff for free" it doesn't extend that offer to artists B and C who don't want that.
And 99% of the time said artists B and C discovered and downloaded music like everyone else, and is just an hypocrite about it, except when he's hella rich... The real concern behind this is all the taxe money that go into CDs etc, and music companies obviously. It's a fucking fact, that 95% of us download most of their music, or listen to it on Youtube, I wouldnt even know what real hip hop is if it wasnt for Youtube and downloading illegaly, so I would never have bought CDs of stuff I thought needed support and went into many concerts, DOWNLOADING ACTUALLY MADE ME INJECT MONEY INTO THE MUSIC INDUSTRY, if you dont get that, and if more importantly, those dumb higher up fucks dont get that, I dont know what to say. Oh and by the way, if it wasnt for downloading etc. Music would be so much less developped, so incredibly less you would be amazed. Some groups would stop right away seing that without getting a fanbase on internet they cant make people come to their concerts, they cant get the motivation / fonds / confidence to make a CD etc. I know it sounds hypocritical and as an excuse for getting money for free, but the fact that it is actually a good thing for the music industry and the artists is simply undeniable, and what is actually happening is a tragedy for human creativity and culture. Also, it cuts people out, culture is now a "rich people thing", I cant live with that, I'll find something to do against it, no fucking way, they can go fuck themselves before they take down piracy and free culture off the internet.
Sorry for the bad language but I found myself getting really angry as I was writing it, man this is seriously fucked up if occidental countries really try that
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles?
Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo!
This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things.
And you call him ignorant?
No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol.
I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true.
On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:
On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:
On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Private trackers are more convenient than steam?
I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam.
Well I can tell you since I have an account in both private. Steam is more convenient. Automatic updates is just one of the reasons that make steam better than private trackers. The only "convenience" you get from using private trackers is that you don't have to give up other things in order to spend money on a game.
You're talking about games. I'm talking about music and video. There is no Steam in the music industry and there is no Steam in the video industry (you can argue Netflix but it's library is still dwarfed by private trackers).
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Lol people like you are just ignorant to all hell. Legal means are inconvenient.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Some content is never released outside a specific country so there is no easy way to go about purchasing such content, especially if you don't live in a major city. And even if I could use a proxy service to get it, what good are DVDs if there are no subtitles?
Oh NO! It's inconvenient! Boo fucking hoo!
This stuff is not food or water or air or shelter. They are not necessities. You don't have a right to these things.
And you call him ignorant?
No where did I say people are entitled to shit lol.
I don't really care if a country makes all foreign content inaccessible. You and him are arguing that the vast majority pirate because of pricing which is far from true.
On January 23 2012 13:36 dmnum wrote:
On January 23 2012 13:26 skyR wrote:
On January 23 2012 13:07 Iranon wrote:
On January 23 2012 12:25 dmnum wrote: I don't think shutting down these sites will stop piracy. It will make it a little bit harder but P2P is still there, and even if it goes down there's a ton of other methods to download stuff.
I feel like a good way to prevent piracy(not eliminate it, because frankly that will never happen) is launching some service like steam, except for musics/movies(Not iTunes, iTunes is good but it's still "expensive"). I used to get pirated games a lot, now with steam/origin/GOG/etc there's so many good sales that I don't feel the need to download pirated games anymore.
Agree. This topic isn't really the place to discuss piracy in general, but I think it's obvious to all involved that it's not something that's going to go away, regardless of how many times it is forced to find new avenues of distribution.
I would happily use a revamped iTunes with a shareware sort of business model -- download an album and keep it free of charge for a week, after which time your account is unable to play those songs unless you buy them for, say, 10 cents each instead whatever they are now. If you gave me that and cloud storage in the same program, I would never think of pirating an album again.
Similarly, from time to time I'll download a single-player game (I don't play multiplayer games with the exception of SC2, and even that I don't really play; I haven't been online since Season 2). I'll play it for a few hours, and if it's not really fun, it immediately gets uninstalled and the ISO gets deleted. This is what happens the vast majority of the time. Otherwise, after I've played through the whole game once, or at least most of it, I decide whether or not it's something I'd like to actually own and play again in the future. If so, it gets purchased on Steam the next time it goes on sale, and the ISO gets deleted. I think that's pretty common behavior.
Anyone who says piracy isn't about the price of things is full of shit. People don't download copyrighted material because they're upset about DRM, or because they find it inconvenient to get it from legal vendors, it's because when presented with the option of obtaining any and all of the media you could ever want for zero dollars with zero consequences by tapping a few keys and waiting an hour, it's pretty hard to say no.
More on topic: yeah, we'll probably be seeing a lot more of this is sort of news in the near future, but I highly doubt it's going to make a meaningful difference.
Private trackers such as what are far superior to Itunes or whatever shit online store example you can come up with.
Private trackers are more convenient than steam?
I was talking about music. I don't buy or play single player games but I wouldn't be surprised if BCG is more convenient or has a larger library than Steam.
You don't need to state it explicitly. It is a fair interpretation of the behaviour of yourself and those who share the sentiment.
You've said they have a shit ('inconvenient') service, and that consequently that inconvenience justifies the use of an illegitimate, yet 'superior' service, despite the illegality of it.
How about you just stop consuming? Or at the very least stop whinging when the free ride stops
I just pointed out that your argument is weak and you call me a complainer? Lol.
What reason is there for me to stop consuming?
LOL
Yeah, because piracy didn't exist before these so-called superior services developed. Because people dont still consume shitloads of content via legitimate means. You are a complainer, it's too hard and too expensive, so you just steal it.
You're not worth arguing with.
I never said piracy never existed prior to private trackers /facepalm Even without what and the other private trackers, pirating was still a hell lot more convenient.
What?
Ya, learning multiple languages is extremely hard so please sue me if I won't put in the effort in learning half a dozen languages. I never complained about pricing, I would gladly pay a subscription to private trackers.
On January 23 2012 14:49 skyR wrote: You're talking about games. I'm talking about music and video. There is no Steam in the music industry and there is no Steam in the video industry (you can argue Netflix but it's library is still dwarfed by private trackers).
That's why I said that a platform LIKE steam would be ideal. Seriously, now I know why jibba was mad, for gods sake read before you post.
welcome to the police state that is america but just like the music fileshare networks that were taken down by the justice department more always will pop up and the traffic will just float to them. there will always be a black market on the internet for movies and music and even with a sopa like law there are easy ways around the server blocks that would be imposed on americans. there are a million people from china on youtube right now looking at videos banned by there country by going around the "great fire wall". and honestly i have no sympathy for the studios or record labels that have there "property stolen" because they still turn enormous profits and the actors and musicans are paid more then any other job does. i go to the the movies about 4 times a year and i probably downloaded about 40 movies this past year on icefilms and if icefilms didnt exist guess how many movies i would have went to see?...the same 4
On January 23 2012 14:49 skyR wrote: You're talking about games. I'm talking about music and video. There is no Steam in the music industry and there is no Steam in the video industry (you can argue Netflix but it's library is still dwarfed by private trackers).
That's why I said that a platform LIKE steam would be ideal. Seriously, now I know why jibba was mad, for gods sake read before you post.
I was replying to the person who quoted you, I didn't actually read whatever post he quoted you for. And I did specifically referred to music and made no mention of games until you decided to unnecessarily reply with "private trackers more convenient than steam?"
You say your personal experience of inconvenience is 'point(ing) out that (the) argument (that piracy is about money) is weak'. I'm pointing out that this new found convenience is exactly that, new, and that piracy was still rampant before trackers and sites like Megaupload and co. existed, which undermines your entire argument. Therefore, I return to the position that it's for the most part about money. I'm not speaking about you specifically, but piracy as a whole.
I'm also saying that you, and others like you, who display a disposition for disobeying anti-piracy law in order to spare yourself the cost or inconvenience and complain when these avenues are removed obviously do feel entitled to have these products as if they are some right... God forbid you go without something.
On January 23 2012 14:49 skyR wrote: You're talking about games. I'm talking about music and video. There is no Steam in the music industry and there is no Steam in the video industry (you can argue Netflix but it's library is still dwarfed by private trackers).
That's why I said that a platform LIKE steam would be ideal. Seriously, now I know why jibba was mad, for gods sake read before you post.
I was replying to the person who quoted you, I didn't actually read whatever post he quoted you for. And I did specifically referred to music and made no mention of games until you decided to unnecessarily reply with "private trackers more convenient than steam?"
No wonder you have so many posts... Just jump right in and start dumping those opinions man!!
On January 23 2012 15:17 Brett wrote: You say your personal experience of inconvenience is 'point(ing) out that (the) argument (that piracy is about money) is weak'. I'm pointing out that this new found convenience is exactly that, new, and that piracy was still rampant before trackers and sites like Megaupload and co. existed, which undermines your entire argument. Therefore, I return to the position that it's for the most part about money. I'm not speaking about you specifically, but piracy as a whole.
I'm also saying that you, and others like you, who display a disposition for disobeying anti-piracy law in order to spare yourself the cost or inconvenience and complain when these avenues are removed obviously do feel entitled to have these products as if they are some right... God forbid you go without something.
On January 23 2012 14:49 skyR wrote: You're talking about games. I'm talking about music and video. There is no Steam in the music industry and there is no Steam in the video industry (you can argue Netflix but it's library is still dwarfed by private trackers).
That's why I said that a platform LIKE steam would be ideal. Seriously, now I know why jibba was mad, for gods sake read before you post.
I was replying to the person who quoted you, I didn't actually read whatever post he quoted you for. And I did specifically referred to music and made no mention of games until you decided to unnecessarily reply with "private trackers more convenient than steam?"
No wonder you have so many posts... Just jump right in and start dumping those opinions man!!
Lol I don't see how you see that I'm complaining. I don't really care if Oink, Scene, MU, FS, etc are shut down.
How is it new found convenience? DC++ existed since 2000 and the majority of private trackers appeared in 2004. If piracy was so rampant back than why is it only now that companies are taking action?
Gratz, you and many others can't read either. I made reference to a music tracker, why was there a need to bring up gaming? The majority of my posts are in the tech support lol...
On January 23 2012 15:24 woody60707 wrote: Does anyone else facepalm when people use words like "police state"?
what would u call it when a website responsible for 4 percent of the entire worlds web traffic is shutdown based on a law that failed to pass in congress because last time i check megaupload didnt personal share any copyrighted material it was shutdown for its users doing. i spend alot of time in nightclubs and there are plenty of people rolling there face off and doing other illegal things but i dont see nypd trying to close pacha down for not having drug sniffing dogs patrol the place all night.
On January 23 2012 15:24 woody60707 wrote: Does anyone else facepalm when people use words like "police state"?
what would u call it when a website responsible for 4 percent of the entire worlds web traffic is shutdown based on a law that failed to pass in congress because last time i check megaupload didnt personal share any copyrighted material it was shutdown for its users doing. i spend alot of time in nightclubs and there are plenty of people rolling there face off and doing other illegal things but i dont see nypd trying to close pacha down for not having drug sniffing dogs patrol the place all night.
fallacy, just becuase someone else was speeding too doesn't make you getting a ticket any less valid.
Also megaupload is going down for a bit more then copyright infringement, it's also not going down for what it's users were doing but rather what megaupload was doing/lack of doing, filesonic by itself stopping it's sharing service and rewards but not stopping it's file storage service, till it can get software that will pre check files uploaded.
On January 23 2012 15:17 Brett wrote: You say your personal experience of inconvenience is 'point(ing) out that (the) argument (that piracy is about money) is weak'. I'm pointing out that this new found convenience is exactly that, new, and that piracy was still rampant before trackers and sites like Megaupload and co. existed, which undermines your entire argument. Therefore, I return to the position that it's for the most part about money. I'm not speaking about you specifically, but piracy as a whole.
I'm also saying that you, and others like you, who display a disposition for disobeying anti-piracy law in order to spare yourself the cost or inconvenience and complain when these avenues are removed obviously do feel entitled to have these products as if they are some right... God forbid you go without something.
On January 23 2012 15:10 skyR wrote:
On January 23 2012 15:01 dmnum wrote:
On January 23 2012 14:49 skyR wrote: You're talking about games. I'm talking about music and video. There is no Steam in the music industry and there is no Steam in the video industry (you can argue Netflix but it's library is still dwarfed by private trackers).
That's why I said that a platform LIKE steam would be ideal. Seriously, now I know why jibba was mad, for gods sake read before you post.
I was replying to the person who quoted you, I didn't actually read whatever post he quoted you for. And I did specifically referred to music and made no mention of games until you decided to unnecessarily reply with "private trackers more convenient than steam?"
No wonder you have so many posts... Just jump right in and start dumping those opinions man!!
Lol I don't see how you see that I'm complaining. I don't really care if Oink, Scene, MU, FS, etc are shut down.
How is it new found convenience? DC++ existed since 2000 and the majority of private trackers appeared in 2004. If piracy was so rampant back than why is it only now that companies are taking action?
Gratz, you and many others can't read either. I made reference to a music tracker, why was there a need to bring up gaming? The majority of my posts are in the tech support lol...
I referred to gaming specifically? Where? Go on, find it (hilarious that you attack my reading skills and then make that comment).
On January 23 2012 15:24 woody60707 wrote: Does anyone else facepalm when people use words like "police state"?
what would u call it when a website responsible for 4 percent of the entire worlds web traffic is shutdown based on a law that failed to pass in congress because last time i check megaupload didnt personal share any copyrighted material it was shutdown for its users doing. i spend alot of time in nightclubs and there are plenty of people rolling there face off and doing other illegal things but i dont see nypd trying to close pacha down for not having drug sniffing dogs patrol the place all night.
I agree, my good sir/lady. I can see their point in matter but this is going to a very extreme way of handling it from what I can tell.
On January 23 2012 15:17 Brett wrote: You say your personal experience of inconvenience is 'point(ing) out that (the) argument (that piracy is about money) is weak'. I'm pointing out that this new found convenience is exactly that, new, and that piracy was still rampant before trackers and sites like Megaupload and co. existed, which undermines your entire argument. Therefore, I return to the position that it's for the most part about money. I'm not speaking about you specifically, but piracy as a whole.
I'm also saying that you, and others like you, who display a disposition for disobeying anti-piracy law in order to spare yourself the cost or inconvenience and complain when these avenues are removed obviously do feel entitled to have these products as if they are some right... God forbid you go without something.
On January 23 2012 15:10 skyR wrote:
On January 23 2012 15:01 dmnum wrote:
On January 23 2012 14:49 skyR wrote: You're talking about games. I'm talking about music and video. There is no Steam in the music industry and there is no Steam in the video industry (you can argue Netflix but it's library is still dwarfed by private trackers).
That's why I said that a platform LIKE steam would be ideal. Seriously, now I know why jibba was mad, for gods sake read before you post.
I was replying to the person who quoted you, I didn't actually read whatever post he quoted you for. And I did specifically referred to music and made no mention of games until you decided to unnecessarily reply with "private trackers more convenient than steam?"
No wonder you have so many posts... Just jump right in and start dumping those opinions man!!
Lol I don't see how you see that I'm complaining. I don't really care if Oink, Scene, MU, FS, etc are shut down.
How is it new found convenience? DC++ existed since 2000 and the majority of private trackers appeared in 2004. If piracy was so rampant back than why is it only now that companies are taking action?
Gratz, you and many others can't read either. I made reference to a music tracker, why was there a need to bring up gaming? The majority of my posts are in the tech support lol...
I referred to gaming specifically? Where? Go on, find it (hilarious that you attack my reading skills and then make that comment).
Dmnum referred to games when I was referring to music, and then I get attacked by both of you for not reading when both of you didn't even read... I don't see how this is so hard to understand?
On January 23 2012 15:17 Brett wrote: You say your personal experience of inconvenience is 'point(ing) out that (the) argument (that piracy is about money) is weak'. I'm pointing out that this new found convenience is exactly that, new, and that piracy was still rampant before trackers and sites like Megaupload and co. existed, which undermines your entire argument. Therefore, I return to the position that it's for the most part about money. I'm not speaking about you specifically, but piracy as a whole.
I'm also saying that you, and others like you, who display a disposition for disobeying anti-piracy law in order to spare yourself the cost or inconvenience and complain when these avenues are removed obviously do feel entitled to have these products as if they are some right... God forbid you go without something.
On January 23 2012 15:10 skyR wrote:
On January 23 2012 15:01 dmnum wrote:
On January 23 2012 14:49 skyR wrote: You're talking about games. I'm talking about music and video. There is no Steam in the music industry and there is no Steam in the video industry (you can argue Netflix but it's library is still dwarfed by private trackers).
That's why I said that a platform LIKE steam would be ideal. Seriously, now I know why jibba was mad, for gods sake read before you post.
I was replying to the person who quoted you, I didn't actually read whatever post he quoted you for. And I did specifically referred to music and made no mention of games until you decided to unnecessarily reply with "private trackers more convenient than steam?"
No wonder you have so many posts... Just jump right in and start dumping those opinions man!!
Lol I don't see how you see that I'm complaining. I don't really care if Oink, Scene, MU, FS, etc are shut down.
How is it new found convenience? DC++ existed since 2000 and the majority of private trackers appeared in 2004. If piracy was so rampant back than why is it only now that companies are taking action?
Gratz, you and many others can't read either. I made reference to a music tracker, why was there a need to bring up gaming? The majority of my posts are in the tech support lol...
Let me recap how things went for you: I said first that closing sites like megaupload wouldn't end piracy, because there's still many other ways to get free stuff if you want it enough. Then I said that a service like steam would help a lot to reduce piracy rates, and that iTunes was a good plaftorm but not good enough. Then some guy quoted me and said that he thought that with major revamps iTunes be a similar service to steam in the field of music/films. After that you quoted and said that P2P is better than "iTunes or any whatever shit online shop I could come up with". I asked you if private trackers were better than steam, and you said you didn't knew, but wouldn't be surprised if BCG was a better way of getting games. After I exemplified why steam is more convenient than private trackers, you said that you were talking about music and not about games.
Now I will explain what you don't seem to understand about my posts: I AM talking about music. I'm saying that if the music industry can come up with a digital distribution platform that can offer advantagens over pirated content while mantaining a reasonable price(And here's where iTunes fail in my opinion, it's way too expensive), it would be able to reduce piracy ratings. Steam was only an example of a platform that has helped reduce piracy, even though you have to pay instead of getting the stuff you want for free.
I hope my point got across now. If it didn't I give up.
On January 23 2012 15:17 Brett wrote: You say your personal experience of inconvenience is 'point(ing) out that (the) argument (that piracy is about money) is weak'. I'm pointing out that this new found convenience is exactly that, new, and that piracy was still rampant before trackers and sites like Megaupload and co. existed, which undermines your entire argument. Therefore, I return to the position that it's for the most part about money. I'm not speaking about you specifically, but piracy as a whole.
I'm also saying that you, and others like you, who display a disposition for disobeying anti-piracy law in order to spare yourself the cost or inconvenience and complain when these avenues are removed obviously do feel entitled to have these products as if they are some right... God forbid you go without something.
On January 23 2012 15:10 skyR wrote:
On January 23 2012 15:01 dmnum wrote:
On January 23 2012 14:49 skyR wrote: You're talking about games. I'm talking about music and video. There is no Steam in the music industry and there is no Steam in the video industry (you can argue Netflix but it's library is still dwarfed by private trackers).
That's why I said that a platform LIKE steam would be ideal. Seriously, now I know why jibba was mad, for gods sake read before you post.
I was replying to the person who quoted you, I didn't actually read whatever post he quoted you for. And I did specifically referred to music and made no mention of games until you decided to unnecessarily reply with "private trackers more convenient than steam?"
No wonder you have so many posts... Just jump right in and start dumping those opinions man!!
Lol I don't see how you see that I'm complaining. I don't really care if Oink, Scene, MU, FS, etc are shut down.
How is it new found convenience? DC++ existed since 2000 and the majority of private trackers appeared in 2004. If piracy was so rampant back than why is it only now that companies are taking action?
Gratz, you and many others can't read either. I made reference to a music tracker, why was there a need to bring up gaming? The majority of my posts are in the tech support lol...
I referred to gaming specifically? Where? Go on, find it (hilarious that you attack my reading skills and then make that comment).
Dmnum referred to games when I was referring to music, and then I get attacked by both of you for not reading when both of you didn't even read... I don't see how this is so hard to understand?
YOU admitted to not reading the embedded quote. That's all I was referring to and that's why I bolded that section when quoting you. YOU then quote me, but then make reference to the other poster's argument re: gaming, which I had nothing to do with. You're mixing his argument with me, simply because I used part of a reply directed to him (despite the fact that my posts have had no substantive link to his actual argument, i.e. not a mere comment he made). Pretty simple. Read people's posts properly in the future and you wont have people telling you that you're sounding like an idiot so often.
On January 23 2012 15:17 Brett wrote: You say your personal experience of inconvenience is 'point(ing) out that (the) argument (that piracy is about money) is weak'. I'm pointing out that this new found convenience is exactly that, new, and that piracy was still rampant before trackers and sites like Megaupload and co. existed, which undermines your entire argument. Therefore, I return to the position that it's for the most part about money. I'm not speaking about you specifically, but piracy as a whole.
I'm also saying that you, and others like you, who display a disposition for disobeying anti-piracy law in order to spare yourself the cost or inconvenience and complain when these avenues are removed obviously do feel entitled to have these products as if they are some right... God forbid you go without something.
On January 23 2012 15:10 skyR wrote:
On January 23 2012 15:01 dmnum wrote:
On January 23 2012 14:49 skyR wrote: You're talking about games. I'm talking about music and video. There is no Steam in the music industry and there is no Steam in the video industry (you can argue Netflix but it's library is still dwarfed by private trackers).
That's why I said that a platform LIKE steam would be ideal. Seriously, now I know why jibba was mad, for gods sake read before you post.
I was replying to the person who quoted you, I didn't actually read whatever post he quoted you for. And I did specifically referred to music and made no mention of games until you decided to unnecessarily reply with "private trackers more convenient than steam?"
No wonder you have so many posts... Just jump right in and start dumping those opinions man!!
Lol I don't see how you see that I'm complaining. I don't really care if Oink, Scene, MU, FS, etc are shut down.
How is it new found convenience? DC++ existed since 2000 and the majority of private trackers appeared in 2004. If piracy was so rampant back than why is it only now that companies are taking action?
Gratz, you and many others can't read either. I made reference to a music tracker, why was there a need to bring up gaming? The majority of my posts are in the tech support lol...
................. Then Brett quoted me and said that he thought that with major revamps iTunes be a similar service to steam in the field of music/films. ...............................
Simply let them shut down every single d/l website. When all will be down, they'll happily discover that the movie/music sales won't climb at all, as nowadays people are mostly poor and have no way of paying that much for movie/music...
Imagine the look on their faces
10 Points for Gryffindor!
At least you acknowledge that you pirate to save yourself the money. The vast majority of people posting nonsense about pirating to avoid DRM, because of ease of use/access (because a short trip to a fucking store, or the official website, is so horrendously onerous LOL), unavailability, or better yet "freedom of speech", are absolutely kidding themselves.
The sense of entitlement is ridiculous. Just because someone produces a product, does not affordyou some god-given right to consume it. They set their terms of sale. If you don't like it, live without it.
I agree. Economics is a major reason for for this enjoyment of free things in the internet. I don't want to spend money if I can find things I need in the internet.
But you have to look at it at the larger picture. Entitlement is one way to put it, but there are greater socioeconomic issues at hand that you cant deny, such us 1. how do assign value to information and 2. how much profit do these "creators" of content, including musicians, producers, publishers, etc need?
On January 23 2012 15:17 Brett wrote: You say your personal experience of inconvenience is 'point(ing) out that (the) argument (that piracy is about money) is weak'. I'm pointing out that this new found convenience is exactly that, new, and that piracy was still rampant before trackers and sites like Megaupload and co. existed, which undermines your entire argument. Therefore, I return to the position that it's for the most part about money. I'm not speaking about you specifically, but piracy as a whole.
I'm also saying that you, and others like you, who display a disposition for disobeying anti-piracy law in order to spare yourself the cost or inconvenience and complain when these avenues are removed obviously do feel entitled to have these products as if they are some right... God forbid you go without something.
On January 23 2012 15:10 skyR wrote:
On January 23 2012 15:01 dmnum wrote:
On January 23 2012 14:49 skyR wrote: You're talking about games. I'm talking about music and video. There is no Steam in the music industry and there is no Steam in the video industry (you can argue Netflix but it's library is still dwarfed by private trackers).
That's why I said that a platform LIKE steam would be ideal. Seriously, now I know why jibba was mad, for gods sake read before you post.
I was replying to the person who quoted you, I didn't actually read whatever post he quoted you for. And I did specifically referred to music and made no mention of games until you decided to unnecessarily reply with "private trackers more convenient than steam?"
No wonder you have so many posts... Just jump right in and start dumping those opinions man!!
Lol I don't see how you see that I'm complaining. I don't really care if Oink, Scene, MU, FS, etc are shut down.
How is it new found convenience? DC++ existed since 2000 and the majority of private trackers appeared in 2004. If piracy was so rampant back than why is it only now that companies are taking action?
Gratz, you and many others can't read either. I made reference to a music tracker, why was there a need to bring up gaming? The majority of my posts are in the tech support lol...
................. Then Brett quoted me and said that he thought that with major revamps iTunes be a similar service to steam in the field of music/films. ...............................
Umm, no I didn't... lol
I'm sorry, it was another guy who said it and I misread. I'll edit it.
Hey guys, keep debating about piracy while every little thing is shut down and we move little by little towards a kind of Mussolini's fascism... Makes me rather sad to see people argue on technicalities when this is a simple straight up case abusing of power... this is why a war is probable of happening, because people don't unite against "tyrants" ( I don't believe it was their intent initially to get here but, it seems to me that power really corrupts that much ) and rationalize their acts .. Bleah, don't reply to this message, just sit idly while if things progress in this way you'll get jailed for doing karaoke and uploading it on the internet.
On January 23 2012 16:19 bOneSeven wrote: Hey guys, keep debating about piracy while every little thing is shut down and we move little by little towards a kind of Mussolini's fascism... Makes me rather sad to see people argue on technicalities when this is a simple straight up case abusing of power... this is why a war is probable of happening, because people don't unite against "tyrants" ( I don't believe it was their intent initially to get here but, it seems to me that power really corrupts that much ) and rationalize their acts .. Bleah, don't reply to this message, just sit idly while if things progress in this way you'll get jailed for doing karaoke and uploading it on the internet.
A company did the responsible thing and willingly shut down a part of its website that was facilitating illegal activity. What?
On January 23 2012 16:19 bOneSeven wrote: Hey guys, keep debating about piracy while every little thing is shut down and we move little by little towards a kind of Mussolini's fascism... Makes me rather sad to see people argue on technicalities when this is a simple straight up case abusing of power... this is why a war is probable of happening, because people don't unite against "tyrants" ( I don't believe it was their intent initially to get here but, it seems to me that power really corrupts that much ) and rationalize their acts .. Bleah, don't reply to this message, just sit idly while if things progress in this way you'll get jailed for doing karaoke and uploading it on the internet.
Did you smoke a huge joint before posting this by any chance? ;D
On January 23 2012 16:19 bOneSeven wrote: Hey guys, keep debating about piracy while every little thing is shut down and we move little by little towards a kind of Mussolini's fascism... Makes me rather sad to see people argue on technicalities when this is a simple straight up case abusing of power... this is why a war is probable of happening, because people don't unite against "tyrants" ( I don't believe it was their intent initially to get here but, it seems to me that power really corrupts that much ) and rationalize their acts .. Bleah, don't reply to this message, just sit idly while if things progress in this way you'll get jailed for doing karaoke and uploading it on the internet.
A company did the responsible thing and willingly shut down a part of its website that was facilitating illegal activity. What?
It's called fear.
Nevermind nevermind, you are fairly intelligent people.... you will figure out how your thinking affected our society in 20 years by now...
On January 23 2012 16:19 bOneSeven wrote: Hey guys, keep debating about piracy while every little thing is shut down and we move little by little towards a kind of Mussolini's fascism... Makes me rather sad to see people argue on technicalities when this is a simple straight up case abusing of power... this is why a war is probable of happening, because people don't unite against "tyrants" ( I don't believe it was their intent initially to get here but, it seems to me that power really corrupts that much ) and rationalize their acts .. Bleah, don't reply to this message, just sit idly while if things progress in this way you'll get jailed for doing karaoke and uploading it on the internet.
wow. the creepers are going to come out of their mother's basements and start a war with the US government? yeah. i am pretty sure that the american public is not going to support that, and the american military is not afraid of kids who learned war from halo and modern warfare. =P
LOL damn guy lived it up while he could. As a person largely apathetic to this part of the infringement movement I found this the most interesting part of the thread.
On January 23 2012 16:34 sulliwan wrote: Artificial scarcity is disgusting. If you are unable to make people actually want to buy what you are selling, then you have no right to get paid.
All you MAFIAA-apologists, I guess you also really hate libraries and think they should be shut down?
On January 23 2012 15:17 Brett wrote: You say your personal experience of inconvenience is 'point(ing) out that (the) argument (that piracy is about money) is weak'. I'm pointing out that this new found convenience is exactly that, new, and that piracy was still rampant before trackers and sites like Megaupload and co. existed, which undermines your entire argument. Therefore, I return to the position that it's for the most part about money. I'm not speaking about you specifically, but piracy as a whole.
I'm also saying that you, and others like you, who display a disposition for disobeying anti-piracy law in order to spare yourself the cost or inconvenience and complain when these avenues are removed obviously do feel entitled to have these products as if they are some right... God forbid you go without something.
On January 23 2012 15:10 skyR wrote:
On January 23 2012 15:01 dmnum wrote:
On January 23 2012 14:49 skyR wrote: You're talking about games. I'm talking about music and video. There is no Steam in the music industry and there is no Steam in the video industry (you can argue Netflix but it's library is still dwarfed by private trackers).
That's why I said that a platform LIKE steam would be ideal. Seriously, now I know why jibba was mad, for gods sake read before you post.
I was replying to the person who quoted you, I didn't actually read whatever post he quoted you for. And I did specifically referred to music and made no mention of games until you decided to unnecessarily reply with "private trackers more convenient than steam?"
No wonder you have so many posts... Just jump right in and start dumping those opinions man!!
Lol I don't see how you see that I'm complaining. I don't really care if Oink, Scene, MU, FS, etc are shut down.
How is it new found convenience? DC++ existed since 2000 and the majority of private trackers appeared in 2004. If piracy was so rampant back than why is it only now that companies are taking action?
Gratz, you and many others can't read either. I made reference to a music tracker, why was there a need to bring up gaming? The majority of my posts are in the tech support lol...
Let me recap how things went for you: I said first that closing sites like megaupload wouldn't end piracy, because there's still many other ways to get free stuff if you want it enough. Then I said that a service like steam would help a lot to reduce piracy rates, and that iTunes was a good plaftorm but not good enough. Then some guy quoted me and said that he thought that with major revamps iTunes be a similar service to steam in the field of music/films. After that you quoted and said that P2P is better than "iTunes or any whatever shit online shop I could come up with". I asked you if private trackers were better than steam, and you said you didn't knew, but wouldn't be surprised if BCG was a better way of getting games. After I exemplified why steam is more convenient than private trackers, you said that you were talking about music and not about games.
Now I will explain what you don't seem to understand about my posts: I AM talking about music. I'm saying that if the music industry can come up with a digital distribution platform that can offer advantagens over pirated content while mantaining a reasonable price(And here's where iTunes fail in my opinion, it's way too expensive), it would be able to reduce piracy ratings. Steam was only an example of a platform that has helped reduce piracy, even though you have to pay instead of getting the stuff you want for free.
I hope my point got across now. If it didn't I give up.
Songs on Itunes are only $1-$2 which is hardly expensive at all... Itunes sucks because its library is small in comparison to the private trackers and offers no choice in format or bitrate.
The post I replied to was talking about piracy as a whole is all about getting things cheaper. I replied saying that it's not. There was no need to bring up games again since it was already discussed that Steam was convenient. So this whole you can't read attack stems from a language barrier / misinterpretation of a post.
On January 23 2012 16:34 sulliwan wrote: Artificial scarcity is disgusting. If you are unable to make people actually want to buy what you are selling, then you have no right to get paid.
All you MAFIAA-apologists, I guess you also really hate libraries and think they should be shut down?
Hahaha, nice straw man!
It's not a straw man, libraries are an example where public right to information won over the copyright interests of the authors and the publishers. I don't think anyone can seriously make the argument that the world is worse off because of that?
Main thing being, there needs to be a balance of power between the copyright holders and the users. What the MPAA/RIAA are currently doing is ensuring that there is no such thing, their word is the law and the user is powerless. For printed press, the library system has been the equalizer, consider it a "union of readers". What is the digital version of that? Google? EFF?
On January 23 2012 16:34 sulliwan wrote: Artificial scarcity is disgusting. If you are unable to make people actually want to buy what you are selling, then you have no right to get paid.
All you MAFIAA-apologists, I guess you also really hate libraries and think they should be shut down?
Hahaha, nice straw man!
It's not a straw man, libraries are an example where public right to information won over the copyright interests of the authors and the publishers. I don't think anyone can seriously make the argument that the world is worse off because of that?
A) I have nothing against libraries B) I pay taxes for people to access the library (which, at least in part, allows the purchase of the books that are in the library) C) Libraries are actually legal D) A very significant portion of libraries are devoted to education, as opposed to entertainment. You cannot seriously argue that music, video games and TV/Video have anywhere near this level of distribution in purpose. E) Books, and to an extent library rules, are a physical limitation on the amount of consumption, frequence of consumption, and length of time in which to consume that media.
Notice how you have to pay for the CDs, games and movies that the library hires out to people?
On January 23 2012 08:39 Marradron wrote: I just dont believe in paying for things that have been aired on tv or the radio. Anyone in the world could have used a tape recorder to record the song, movie or series. I just consider torrentz my always active tv recorder. If taping shows on tv to use yourself is legal so should recording them digitaly.
I just don't believe in giving a voice to stupid people on the Internet but unfortunately, neither of our beliefs are legitimate.
You seem to be opset about my opinion. Would you like to talk about it ? There's no reason for such a adhominem attack.
On January 23 2012 11:02 Jibba wrote: New laws and shutting down illegal, lying file sharing sites is completely different. I'm 100% against SOPA and PIPA, but I have no problem with MU getting what was coming. Even if I watch shows there, I don't feel entitled to them if the site goes down.
If the owners of MU were trying to sell pirated material for money that is COMPLETELY wrong and unacceptable. For instance in china they sell bootleg CDs which takes real cash away from artists because people feel like they've bought something and done their deed in paying for a product when in reality they got screwed (or they know anyways). I HATE people that pirate and sell that product for their own gain, it's like plagiarism of the worst kind because you take profit for yourself you had no right to. If you want to pirate stuff, fine, but dont take away a real sale by selling that copy to someone else. It means that person will NEVER buy a legit copy 99.9999% of the time.
Sorry, had to rant. I draw a fine line between pirating and selling bootlegged copies.
they were selling IP, it was called premium account, you just didn't receive your CD.
On January 23 2012 17:15 firehand101 wrote: EYEYEYEYEY everyone here, stop whinging, this is illegal, there is nothing good about it. So face it, it has to be dealt with
On January 23 2012 17:15 firehand101 wrote: EYEYEYEYEY everyone here, stop whinging, this is illegal, there is nothing good about it. So face it, it has to be dealt with
It shouldn't be illegal is the problem here.
Sure, it should, by any means, be legal to sell something that isn't yours and for which you have payed nothing.
The irony of this crusade against piracy is that piracy is the main reason for appliances like MP3 players and 2TB HDD to exist. Does anyone really think the iPod would have been a success if not for music piracy?
To be honest, $1 for a single song on iTunes is quite expensive, especially considering the abysmal quality of music nowadays. I mean, I'd gladly pay $3 for Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody because it's arguably the best pop song ever written but you'd have to pay me to listen to Kings of Leon.
I'm also one of the few people who still buys physical copies of albums.
This is becomming to get interesting. I personally think that this is a fight only the pirates can win, since there will always be countries where they can host servers without getting in troubles with any laws and in some years the generation, that actually has experience with filesharing websites will run the world. So finally copyright on whatever can be digitized in general will be a thing of the past in two or three decades. I hope you heard it here first;)
On January 23 2012 06:51 Malgrif wrote: Looks like pirating on the internet is soon becoming a thing of the past.
The only way pirating will die is if they shut down the internet as a whole ^^
sure, but if piratebay, isohunt, rapidshare, megaupload etc are all shut down how would an average person like u get it
There were plenty of P2P programmes before the rise of TPB, rapidshare and the likes.
Never ever used one of these.. Now i'm not big on downloading/torrenting anyway but even THINKING tha shooting these sites down would change anything seems funny for me .
On January 23 2012 16:19 bOneSeven wrote: Hey guys, keep debating about piracy while every little thing is shut down and we move little by little towards a kind of Mussolini's fascism... Makes me rather sad to see people argue on technicalities when this is a simple straight up case abusing of power... this is why a war is probable of happening, because people don't unite against "tyrants" ( I don't believe it was their intent initially to get here but, it seems to me that power really corrupts that much ) and rationalize their acts .. Bleah, don't reply to this message, just sit idly while if things progress in this way you'll get jailed for doing karaoke and uploading it on the internet.
wow. the creepers are going to come out of their mother's basements and start a war with the US government? yeah. i am pretty sure that the american public is not going to support that, and the american military is not afraid of kids who learned war from halo and modern warfare. =P
Actually they are... they're called hackers ahahah. Nobody can touch the US in a military term, but it's quite possible for main infrastructures and communication. Frankly, the US should be way more scared of a bunch of ugly nerds than ten thousand Al Qaeda members, I know the movie Die Hard 4 isnt good, but thing is, it is possible that something like that actually happens, not at such a huge scale, not on all of the US, but you attack electricity and all comunications of even one state, you'll see that it is way more dangerous than 3 fanatics in a plane. So yeah, if the US insist on pissing off most internet users including hackers, who knows, I wonder if anonymous will actually attack facebook, twitter, and some banks like they said they would, I forgot when it's supposed to hit.
On January 23 2012 07:06 Imbajoe wrote: It sure is gonna suck when every file sharing site is gone and the many people who use them legally will have nothing left.
On January 23 2012 07:04 sc4k wrote: I have to say, there is being a lot of fuss made about SOPA and PIPA because of free speech, but I think 99% of the opposition is people who download files/ stream files for the purpose of evading copyright and avoiding having to pay. So much moral highgrounding but when it comes down to it people just want to keep their free lunch.
Semi-related, for context on all this freedom, piracy, and crime thing:
On a YT video
There is 1 poster, named mandrei99, who said this:
In dec 2004, a romanian musician Teo Peter was killed by a US soldier on romanian soil (driving under alcohol). That soldier went back to US without problems and didn't see the inside of a jail cell not even for 1 minute: see wikipedia " TEO PETER"
Why US soldiers don't do prison for killing people while driving drunk and we, normal idiots, go to prison just for downloading some movie/song ?
On January 23 2012 19:19 KainiT wrote: This is becomming to get interesting. I personally think that this is a fight only the pirates can win, since there will always be countries where they can host servers without getting in troubles with any laws and in some years the generation, that actually has experience with filesharing websites will run the world. So finally copyright on whatever can be digitized in general will be a thing of the past in two or three decades. I hope you heard it here first;)
Thing is, they can host their servers on planet Mars, but you will still be accountable in your country for downloading something illegaly. your ISPs can easily get all the information about what you've downloaded and if this is just a start, what if they pass laws that ISPs will have to report that information to authorities? EU is also pretty rigid about copyright infrigment so people shouldn't be so neutral while looking what's happening in USA etc
Then why did Filesonic shut down their file sharing service?
Also, it's in reality very hard to prove that one doesn't know about the illegal content on their server, and most importantly, if the plaintiff can prove/claim that Filesonic financially benefited from distribution of the illegal content then the site wouldn't be eligible for the safe harbour protection.
My guess: Because they thought they would go bankrupt if a court case came, despite the law being on their side.
It's not about "proving" they don't know. "Service providers" like them get guaranteed protection as long as they take down files when notified. Obviously they should keep track of ad revenue and refund anything that gets taken down, to not be on the financial benefit side.
Again, why is Youtube not liable when they put ads on videos with unlicensed copyrighted content?
Youtube IS LIABLE, see the earlier youtube link provided where JeepersMedia explains how Youtube is able to "escape" w/o being sued (They are not, Youtube, is being sued by VIACOM in court).
Well, we kind of live in a time where everyone is used to get all their media for free. When I tell my friends that I still buy physical copies of albums their reaction generally is: "who the hell still pays for music/dvds?" Well, I do and I'm a dying breed.
Agreed, mediafire and the likes are useful to download albums before they're actually on the shelves, but when they're good, I go buy them on release day (case in point: Aborted's and Lamb of God's latest albums). When the music doesn't meet my (rather high) standard, I just delete it from my hard drive. No point in keeping music I won't listen to in the first place.
I know a lot of people, generally students, who've got 1-2TB hard drives full of illegal movies. The sole reason hard drives of that size exist is for people like that (and professional photographers and video editors, but those are few and far between. I personally struggle to use half of the 250GB hard disc in my laptop.
On the other hand, we've got cinemas getting away with charging €10-11 for a ticket...
On January 23 2012 23:30 reisada wrote: Since my topic has been closed, ill share this here.... http://anonyupload.com/ dont know if its true or scam, but its good to know it exists
Don't support crap like that tbh... for all you know it's just some guy laughing his ass off by all the donations he's getting.
On January 23 2012 19:19 KainiT wrote: This is becomming to get interesting. I personally think that this is a fight only the pirates can win, since there will always be countries where they can host servers without getting in troubles with any laws and in some years the generation, that actually has experience with filesharing websites will run the world. So finally copyright on whatever can be digitized in general will be a thing of the past in two or three decades. I hope you heard it here first;)
Thing is, they can host their servers on planet Mars, but you will still be accountable in your country for downloading something illegaly. your ISPs can easily get all the information about what you've downloaded and if this is just a start, what if they pass laws that ISPs will have to report that information to authorities? EU is also pretty rigid about copyright infrigment so people shouldn't be so neutral while looking what's happening in USA etc
There are SEVERAL countries in which downloading isn't a crime. Sharing is.
This makes using sites like Megavideo 100% legal as long as you don't upload copyrighted material.
MegaUpload - Closed. FileServe - Closing does not sell premium. FileJungle - Deleting files. Locked in the U.S.. UploadStation - Locked in the U.S.. FileSonic - the news is arbitrary (under FBI investigation). ... VideoBB - Closed! would disappear soon. Uploaded - Banned U.S. and the FBI went after the owners who are gone. FilePost - Deleting all material (so will leave executables, pdfs, txts) Videoz - closed and locked in the countries affiliated with the USA. 4shared - Deleting files with copyright and waits in line at the FBI. MediaFire - Called to testify in the next 90 days and it will open doors pro FBI Org torrent - could vanish with everything within 30 days "he is under criminal investigation" Network Share mIRC - awaiting the decision of the case to continue or terminate Torrente everything. Koshiki - operating 100% Japan will not join the SOUP / PIPA Shienko Box - 100% working china / korea will not join the SOUP / PIPA ShareX BR - group UOL / BOL / iG say they will join the SOUP / PIPA
On January 23 2012 23:53 bLah. wrote: MegaUpload - Closed. FileServe - Closing does not sell premium. FileJungle - Deleting files. Locked in the U.S.. UploadStation - Locked in the U.S.. FileSonic - the news is arbitrary (under FBI investigation). ... VideoBB - Closed! would disappear soon. Uploaded - Banned U.S. and the FBI went after the owners who are gone. FilePost - Deleting all material (so will leave executables, pdfs, txts) Videoz - closed and locked in the countries affiliated with the USA. 4shared - Deleting files with copyright and waits in line at the FBI. MediaFire - Called to testify in the next 90 days and it will open doors pro FBI Org torrent - could vanish with everything within 30 days "he is under criminal investigation" Network Share mIRC - awaiting the decision of the case to continue or terminate Torrente everything. Koshiki - operating 100% Japan will not join the SOUP / PIPA Shienko Box - 100% working china / korea will not join the SOUP / PIPA ShareX BR - group UOL / BOL / iG say they will join the SOUP / PIPA
Wow, this is bigger then I thougt. It is sad for I used some of those sites from time to time . But even so I must say that I don't think that USA is in the wrong with it. The sites ARE afterall mostly used for piracy and very little else. That said it will not really stop piracy and I think this will be a bigger hit to SOPA and it's equal then anything else.
On January 23 2012 23:53 bLah. wrote: MegaUpload - Closed. FileServe - Closing does not sell premium. FileJungle - Deleting files. Locked in the U.S.. UploadStation - Locked in the U.S.. FileSonic - the news is arbitrary (under FBI investigation). ... VideoBB - Closed! would disappear soon. Uploaded - Banned U.S. and the FBI went after the owners who are gone. FilePost - Deleting all material (so will leave executables, pdfs, txts) Videoz - closed and locked in the countries affiliated with the USA. 4shared - Deleting files with copyright and waits in line at the FBI. MediaFire - Called to testify in the next 90 days and it will open doors pro FBI Org torrent - could vanish with everything within 30 days "he is under criminal investigation" Network Share mIRC - awaiting the decision of the case to continue or terminate Torrente everything. Koshiki - operating 100% Japan will not join the SOUP / PIPA Shienko Box - 100% working china / korea will not join the SOUP / PIPA ShareX BR - group UOL / BOL / iG say they will join the SOUP / PIPA
source?
Yeah Id really like to know where you got this from too.
The companies should just stop being stupid and move from the US. Pretty much any other country is perfectly fine with this kind of file sharing, so just move the servers and reregister your company and the US can't touch you. Might block US traffic, sure, but that's about it.
On January 24 2012 00:17 theBALLS wrote: damn. Fileserve please stay alive. rapidshare too.
it's already down. Hopefully they just move their servers to china and open back up tho.
On January 23 2012 23:53 bLah. wrote: MegaUpload - Closed. FileServe - Closing does not sell premium. FileJungle - Deleting files. Locked in the U.S.. UploadStation - Locked in the U.S.. FileSonic - the news is arbitrary (under FBI investigation). ... VideoBB - Closed! would disappear soon. Uploaded - Banned U.S. and the FBI went after the owners who are gone. FilePost - Deleting all material (so will leave executables, pdfs, txts) Videoz - closed and locked in the countries affiliated with the USA. 4shared - Deleting files with copyright and waits in line at the FBI. MediaFire - Called to testify in the next 90 days and it will open doors pro FBI Org torrent - could vanish with everything within 30 days "he is under criminal investigation" Network Share mIRC - awaiting the decision of the case to continue or terminate Torrente everything. Koshiki - operating 100% Japan will not join the SOUP / PIPA Shienko Box - 100% working china / korea will not join the SOUP / PIPA ShareX BR - group UOL / BOL / iG say they will join the SOUP / PIPA
Please stop spreading wrong info.
Most of the sites are totally working fine. Maybe some features of some sites are blocked in the US but stop saying they are closed. USA =/= World
ONLY Megaupload and Filesonics snf fileserves file-sharing is down, everything else is working fine.
On January 24 2012 00:37 MasterReY wrote: Please stop spreading wrong info.
Most of the sites are totally working fine. Maybe some features of some sites are blocked in the US but stop saying they are closed. USA =/= World
ONLY Megaupload and Filesonics snf fileserves file-sharing is down, everything else is working fine.
Sites aren't totally down but they are not working totally fine. They are rapidly deleting all the files and lots of these sites have some restrictions like being allowed to download only your files etc.
On January 23 2012 23:53 bLah. wrote: MegaUpload - Closed. FileServe - Closing does not sell premium. FileJungle - Deleting files. Locked in the U.S.. UploadStation - Locked in the U.S.. FileSonic - the news is arbitrary (under FBI investigation). ... VideoBB - Closed! would disappear soon. Uploaded - Banned U.S. and the FBI went after the owners who are gone. FilePost - Deleting all material (so will leave executables, pdfs, txts) Videoz - closed and locked in the countries affiliated with the USA. 4shared - Deleting files with copyright and waits in line at the FBI. MediaFire - Called to testify in the next 90 days and it will open doors pro FBI Org torrent - could vanish with everything within 30 days "he is under criminal investigation" Network Share mIRC - awaiting the decision of the case to continue or terminate Torrente everything. Koshiki - operating 100% Japan will not join the SOUP / PIPA Shienko Box - 100% working china / korea will not join the SOUP / PIPA ShareX BR - group UOL / BOL / iG say they will join the SOUP / PIPA
Please stop spreading wrong info.
Most of the sites are totally working fine. Maybe some features of some sites are blocked in the US but stop saying they are closed. USA =/= World
ONLY Megaupload and Filesonics snf fileserves file-sharing is down, everything else is working fine.
The information is actually rather accurate. I wonder what's his source :/
This is what is happening with some of the more popular file sharing websites at the moment: Megaupload Closed
EnterUpload Down (Redirect). Presumably remodeling.
Fileserve No filesharing. You can download only your own files. Deleting multiple files. Banning Premium accounts. Closed Affiliate Program.
Filejungle Owned by Fileserve (same as above). Testing USA IP addresses blocking.
Filesonic No filesharing. You can download only your own files. Closed Affiliate Program. Changed server location Jan 22, 2012. Taken down it's Facebook page. Now using Digital fingerprinting to check if prohibited content. Bad files are being deleted as soon as uploaded (as Hotfile did).
Filepost Started suspending accounts with infringing material (as Hotfile did)
Uploaded.t... Blocked U.S. access.
Uploadstation Owned by Fileserve (same as above). Testing USA IP addresses blocking.
On January 24 2012 01:17 Aela wrote: There will be a new site. Very stupid move by filesonic.
Stupid ? not really. I would probably have done the same if i was the owner and had already earned millions. Why play with fire if you're already rich.
On January 24 2012 01:12 Phenny wrote: I hope people from whatever country that has the balls to stand up to the US can start up their own file sharing sites or something...
Time to start megaupload.cn if you want to make some cash like Kim Dotcom. Would probably need to live there aswell or they would probably extradite you.
These does absolutely nothing, private torrent sites are always going to be there, even the public ones like piratebay refuses to die for almost a decade now. There are still tons of filesharing website that will end up being used over the biggest ones that are now shutting down or going into hibernation, some of them probably have the same owners. Besides they are not the ones uploading the files in the first place, and they can always argue that they have been doing their best to delete files that were reported for infringement. Nothing will change, new website will rise if the old ones die.
On January 24 2012 01:29 bubblegumbo wrote: These does absolutely nothing, private torrent sites are always going to be there, even the public ones like piratebay refuses to die for almost a decade now. There are still tons of filesharing website that will end up being used over the biggest ones that are now shutting down or going into hibernation, some of them probably have the same owners. Besides they are not the ones uploading the files in the first place, and they can always argue that they have been doing their best to delete files that were reported for infringement. Nothing will change, new website will rise if the old ones die.
great usage of taxpayers money. I would be glad the fbi are working to such futile actions instead of arresting real criminals that hurt ppl. But i'm delusional to think that taxpayers money should be used the right way. Might aswell use it to do the bidding of the mega corporation without regard for usefulness. after all taxpayers money is infinite right?
I can't believe ppl still can stfu about such wasteful spending. But it's only a matter of time. I hope i will be there to see the 21st century French Revolution. And i'll be there with my pitchfork asking the heads of them corrupt politicians.
The only real problem is with the random people who got sued for ridiculous amount of money because they downloaded songs from sharing sites.And this started happening years ago. I mean the only guarantee that tomorrow you won't be sued for downloading a movie/song software from torrents is because there are hundred of millions doing it and the chance of being you is so low. Suing uploading sites for hosting&sharing copyrighted material without permision is terrible for us who don't like to buy but it is legal. Authorities Monitoring your computer for downloading history is scary and outrageous .
I wonder what happens when all the people that are pirating now can't pirate any longer (as in, when almost everything has been shut down). They will have so much free time and a new enemy...
On January 24 2012 01:55 terranu1 wrote: The only real problem is with the random people who got sued for ridiculous amount of money because they downloaded songs from sharing sites.And this started happening years ago. I mean the only guarantee that tomorrow you won't be sued for downloading a movie/song software from torrents is because there are hundred of millions doing it and the chance of being you is so low. Suing uploading sites for hosting&sharing copyrighted material without permision is terrible for us who don't like to buy but it is legal. Authorities Monitoring your computer for downloading history is scary and outrageous .
you really shouldn't post uninformed garbage like this. random ppl get sued for SHARING (aka uploading) songs NOT DOWNLOADING. go look it up.
My only guarantee i won't be sued is: i don't live in the US. if you do tough luck i guess, start doing something about it?
Besides i know soon all my internet traffic will be highly encoded. it's only a matter of time. i wish them fun trying to decode every1's shit.
The thing is, stopping piracy won't make sells go up. People who are use to pirate movies and tv show will never just stop doing it to go buy everything legaly. That will never happen.
I damn know if i can't watch tv show or good movies on Internet, i will not buy DVD of them. It's just too expensive.
On January 24 2012 02:04 Noocta wrote: The thing is, stopping piracy won't make sells go up. People who are use to pirate movies and tv show will never just stop doing it to go buy everything legaly. That will never happen.
I damn know if i can't watch tv show or good movies on Internet, i will not buy DVD of them. It's just too expensive.
Actually if the TV shows i watch were available at a REASONABLE PRICE at the same time they are aired in the US. I would probably just buy them. Money isn't even the issue for most people, availability is. Why would i wait 6months to a year to get shitty dubbed DVDs? Besides I don't want them stinking boxes taking up space and collecting dust, i need a Steam type thing where they keep a record of everything i bought and i can watch it anywhere i want, how many times i want.
Only thing i pirate these days are tv shows, movies aren't even worth it. i pirate maybe 3 a year with the current garbage they put out.
I don't pirate music, DJs are smart and stopped making CDs years ago. and most of the time just give their stuff online for free.
Games ? i only play multiplayer games. i did pirate Skyrim tho, because it's such a buggy game it shouldn't even be allowed to be released. And i am certainly not paying for an alpha version.
Actually if the TV shows i watch were available at a REASONABLE PRICE at the same time they are aired in the US.
Yes pls.
I used Megaupload to watch the entire Stargate SG-1 collection. Had there been a Steam-like service I would've used that.
Never pirated games though. Yeah some old ones for the Gameboy handhelds (most of which I own anyway and then it's not even pirating, I'd rather play on an emulator than my billion year old handheld).
Thank goodness downloading is legal in the Netherlands
What's really upsetting about this for myself is that I NEVER pirate anything. This is just becoming a serious hurdle to acquire legal software.
My government is getting out of control. To the rest of the world I'd just like to say, on the behalf of many in the U.S., is that we ARE upset and deeply concerned about our government. Unfortunately, it is very difficult for us to do anything about it. Our news media in this country is really biased and there are many who are so hopelessly ignorant , naive and dependent, that they will actually fight and support a system which is stripping them of their liberties.
...this is getting out of control, god knows where this'll end...
...wait, I'm an atheist... regardless, I've yet to be personally affected by any of the shutdowns in any major way, but the future isn't looking too bright atm :/
On January 24 2012 01:55 terranu1 wrote: The only real problem is with the random people who got sued for ridiculous amount of money because they downloaded songs from sharing sites.And this started happening years ago. I mean the only guarantee that tomorrow you won't be sued for downloading a movie/song software from torrents is because there are hundred of millions doing it and the chance of being you is so low. Suing uploading sites for hosting&sharing copyrighted material without permision is terrible for us who don't like to buy but it is legal. Authorities Monitoring your computer for downloading history is scary and outrageous .
you really shouldn't post uninformed garbage like this. random ppl get sued for SHARING (aka uploading) songs NOT DOWNLOADING. go look it up.
My only guarantee i won't be sued is: i don't live in the US. if you do tough luck i guess, start doing something about it?
Besides i know soon all my internet traffic will be highly encoded. it's only a matter of time. i wish them fun trying to decode every1's shit.
yes you're right ,uploading. Still there isn't much difference between illegal uploading and downloading. You're still stealing a product, just that uploaders are less and make an easier target.
On January 24 2012 02:14 Reborn8u wrote: What's really upsetting about this for myself is that I NEVER pirate anything. This is just becoming a serious hurdle to acquire legal software.
My government is getting out of control. To the rest of the world I'd just like to say, on the behalf of many in the U.S., is that we ARE upset and deeply concerned about our government. Unfortunately, it is very difficult for us to do anything about it. Our news media in this country is really biased and there are many who are so hopelessly ignorant , naive and dependent, that they will actually fight and support a system which is stripping them of their liberties.
it's not that hard to do something about it. Occupy Wallstreet was pretty epic and got worldwide mainstream media coverage. Go in the streets and start making noise. I would advice a gas mask, since your police don't care that much about human rights.
Unfortunatly I suspect you are the minority and most ppl (most notably christians,mormons and other religious nut) think the govt is doing a great job arresting them evil pirates.
On January 24 2012 01:55 terranu1 wrote: The only real problem is with the random people who got sued for ridiculous amount of money because they downloaded songs from sharing sites.And this started happening years ago. I mean the only guarantee that tomorrow you won't be sued for downloading a movie/song software from torrents is because there are hundred of millions doing it and the chance of being you is so low. Suing uploading sites for hosting&sharing copyrighted material without permision is terrible for us who don't like to buy but it is legal. Authorities Monitoring your computer for downloading history is scary and outrageous .
you really shouldn't post uninformed garbage like this. random ppl get sued for SHARING (aka uploading) songs NOT DOWNLOADING. go look it up.
My only guarantee i won't be sued is: i don't live in the US. if you do tough luck i guess, start doing something about it?
Besides i know soon all my internet traffic will be highly encoded. it's only a matter of time. i wish them fun trying to decode every1's shit.
yes you're right ,uploading. Still there isn't much difference between illegal uploading and downloading. You're still stealing a product, just that uploaders are less and make an easier target.
actually there is a huge difference legally at least.
also I am right on my side ; http://digitaljournal.com/article/274415 Yesterday, a 32-year-old woman from Minnesota was found guilty of illegally DOWNLOADING 24 songs
another quote : "According to Timesonline, the RIAA has sued THOUSANDS of people for illegally DOWNLOADING or sharing music, but most settle for $3,000 to $5,000. Thomas-Rasset refused to settle and instead went to court.
On January 24 2012 02:21 terranu1 wrote: also I am right on my side ; http://digitaljournal.com/article/274415 Yesterday, a 32-year-old woman from Minnesota was found guilty of illegally DOWNLOADING 24 songs
another quote : "According to Timesonline, the RIAA has sued THOUSANDS of people for illegally DOWNLOADING or sharing music, but most settle for $3,000 to $5,000. Thomas-Rasset refused to settle and instead went to court.
On January 24 2012 02:21 terranu1 wrote: also I am right on my side ; http://digitaljournal.com/article/274415 Yesterday, a 32-year-old woman from Minnesota was found guilty of illegally DOWNLOADING 24 songs
another quote : "According to Timesonline, the RIAA has sued THOUSANDS of people for illegally DOWNLOADING or sharing music, but most settle for $3,000 to $5,000. Thomas-Rasset refused to settle and instead went to court.
just because the journalist is an idiot and doesn't know the difference between sharing and downloading doesn't mean we should be idiots too and repeat the same garbage.
I know perfectly well who Jammie Thomas-Rasset is. And she got convicted for SHARING . next?
Jammie Thomas-Rasset has lost her re-retrial against the RIAA and is now ordered to pay $1.5 million for 24 songs she shared via Kazaa.
This must be the 4th time i've posted this on TL, it's funny because everytime some1 quickly googles for a case against downloading they always come up with some uninformed ignorant source about Thomas-Rasset.
On January 24 2012 02:14 Reborn8u wrote: What's really upsetting about this for myself is that I NEVER pirate anything. This is just becoming a serious hurdle to acquire legal software.
My government is getting out of control. To the rest of the world I'd just like to say, on the behalf of many in the U.S., is that we ARE upset and deeply concerned about our government. Unfortunately, it is very difficult for us to do anything about it. Our news media in this country is really biased and there are many who are so hopelessly ignorant , naive and dependent, that they will actually fight and support a system which is stripping them of their liberties.
it's not that hard to do something about it. Occupy Wallstreet was pretty epic and got worldwide mainstream media coverage. Go in the streets and start making noise. I would advice a gas mask, since your police don't care that much about human rights.
Unfortunatly I suspect you are the minority and most ppl (most notably christians,mormons and other religious nut) think the govt is doing a great job arresting them evil pirates.
I agree with most of your points, but I would like to point out a few things. The occupy movement didn't accomplish anything notable and was barely covered in the US mainstream media. While this was going on there was 10x more coverage about the republican nominees for the presidential election which is still 10 months away.
When the occupy movement was covered in mainstream media, it was mostly a bunch of people on the news criticizing them, saying they were lazy people who don't want to work and basically decided to hang out in parks all day smoking pot and fighting with police. There were a some positive coverage, but many times more negative coverages.
Yes, our media is that screwed up and I suspect the same corporate monsters that are running our media also have substantial control over or governing in the U.S. Many people in the U.S. are simply good moral people who are denial that things could be this corrupt, biased, and greedy with respect to our Government and Media. So they believe the lies being fed to them by the media. I promise you that there are many more than you suspect who share my opinions, but our voices are overridden by the propaganda machines. Also, the state of our economy is such that 2 people trying to raise a family are typically working close to 40 hours a week each, get less then 2 weeks of vacation time a year, and still can barely afford to pay their bills and have massive debt. Slaves to the almighty dollar.
I'm only stating this so you understand the situation for many is such that they feel powerless against the juggernaut that is our ruling class. My greatest fear is that action will not be taken by the silent majority until more truth is brought into the light, and things are going to have to get much worse before people are ready to sacrifice what little they have to change things on behalf of future generations.
Updated with the current sites which are down in OP. I want to emphasize that UploadBox is DELETING all their content come Jan. 30th. If you have anything on there make sure you retrieve it before that.
On January 24 2012 02:21 terranu1 wrote: also I am right on my side ; http://digitaljournal.com/article/274415 Yesterday, a 32-year-old woman from Minnesota was found guilty of illegally DOWNLOADING 24 songs
another quote : "According to Timesonline, the RIAA has sued THOUSANDS of people for illegally DOWNLOADING or sharing music, but most settle for $3,000 to $5,000. Thomas-Rasset refused to settle and instead went to court.
just because the journalist is an idiot and doesn't know the difference between sharing and downloading doesn't mean we should be idiots too and repeat the same garbage.
I know perfectly well who Jammie Thomas-Rasset is. And she got convicted for SHARING . next?
This must be the 4th time i've posted this on TL, it's funny because everytime some1 quickly googles for a case against downloading they always come up with some uninformed ignorant source about Thomas-Rasset.
Sure it's called sharing but you are still making copies of material that is copyrighted, no?
For example Netflix buys each dvd it rents out. It doesn't buy one, copy it, and then "share" it with all their customers.
According to Wikipedia Thomas-Rasset owes $54,000 as the sum of her penalty was reduced. She shared 1,702 tracks but the plaintiffs only sought compensation for 24 of those tracks.
On January 24 2012 01:58 Tennoji wrote: I wonder what happens when all the people that are pirating now can't pirate any longer (as in, when almost everything has been shut down). They will have so much free time and a new enemy...
On January 24 2012 02:14 Reborn8u wrote: What's really upsetting about this for myself is that I NEVER pirate anything. This is just becoming a serious hurdle to acquire legal software.
My government is getting out of control. To the rest of the world I'd just like to say, on the behalf of many in the U.S., is that we ARE upset and deeply concerned about our government. Unfortunately, it is very difficult for us to do anything about it. Our news media in this country is really biased and there are many who are so hopelessly ignorant , naive and dependent, that they will actually fight and support a system which is stripping them of their liberties.
it's not that hard to do something about it. Occupy Wallstreet was pretty epic and got worldwide mainstream media coverage. Go in the streets and start making noise. I would advice a gas mask, since your police don't care that much about human rights.
Unfortunatly I suspect you are the minority and most ppl (most notably christians,mormons and other religious nut) think the govt is doing a great job arresting them evil pirates.
I agree with most of your points, but I would like to point out a few things. The occupy movement didn't accomplish anything notable and was barely covered in the US mainstream media. While this was going on there was 10x more coverage about the republican nominees for the presidential election which is still 10 months away.
When the occupy movement was covered in mainstream media, it was mostly a bunch of people on the news criticizing them, saying they were lazy people who don't want to work and basically decided to hang out in parks all day smoking pot and fighting with police. There were a some positive coverage, but many times more negative coverages.
Yes, our media is that screwed up and I suspect the same corporate monsters that are running our media also have substantial control over or governing in the U.S. Many people in the U.S. are simply good moral people who are denial that things could be this corrupt, biased, and greedy with respect to our Government and Media. So they believe the lies being fed to them by the media. I promise you that there are many more than you suspect who share my opinions, but our voices are overridden by the propaganda machines. Also, the state of our economy is such that 2 people trying to raise a family are typically working close to 40 hours a week each, get less then 2 weeks of vacation time a year, and still can barely afford to pay their bills and have massive debt. Slaves to the almighty dollar.
I'm only stating this so you understand the situation for many is such that they feel powerless against the juggernaut that is our ruling class. My greatest fear is that action will not be taken by the silent majority until more truth is brought into the light, and things are going to have to get much worse before people are ready to sacrifice what little they have to change things on behalf of future generations.
On January 23 2012 06:51 Malgrif wrote: Looks like pirating on the internet is soon becoming a thing of the past.
yeah right, lol.
Pirates isn't really affected by this move at all lol.
The real looser are those who actually used that service for distribution of large legal files.
I want to see the reasons for the arrests in for Megaupload and the charges. There is no question that this site had copyrighted information on it along with valid, legal files. The issue is going to be if the owners of the site knew about the illegal content and made no effort to remove it or stop people from uploading the content. If they did this and also took money from people to download those files quickly, they are in fact, profiting from pirated content.
It is not a question of if the legal content is there, it is if the owners of the site made any effort to stop pirated content from being uploaded and then charged people. They can't hide behind "I can't control what people upload". The Courts have ruled otherwise and they can control their own service.
I wonder what happens with all the legal content on these sites. The FBI seizes control over the megaupload servers including this legal content. When they open these files they will be copied to RAM (and after that to the monitor, I would imagine) which is copyright infringement as they did not get authorization of the author. Hence they will never be allowed to read any of the files without prior knowledge of what is in the file (which is impossible). IMHO what the FBI is doing is hypocricy at its finest...
On January 23 2012 06:51 Malgrif wrote: Megaupload – Closed
Fileserve – Stopped filesharing. You can only download your own files. Deleting multiple files. Banning Premium accounts. Closed Affiliate Program.
Filesonic – Stopped filesharing. You can only download your own files. Closed Affiliate Program. Changed server location Jan 22, 2012. Taken down it's Facebook page Now using Digital fingerprinting. Files are being deleted as soon as uploaded (as Hotfile did).
VideoBB – Closed Affiliate Program.
Filepost – Started suspending accounts with infringing material (as Hotfile did)
Uploaded.t... – Blocked U.S. access.
Videozer – Closed Affiliate Program. Filejungle – Owned by Fileserve (same as above). Testing USA IP addresses blocking.
Uploadstation – Owned by Fileserve (same as above). Testing USA IP addresses blocking.
4Shared – Deleting multiple files
EnterUpload - Down (Redirect) UploadBox - Deleting all their files on Jan. 30th and disabled file sharing
this list is really becoming impressive. So many impulsive reactions from such big sites.. wow. Certainly understandable for site owners to panic, but i would not have imagined that they take it this seriously immediately. It does seem a little overboard.
i would love to see some nice charts about general traffic impacts and such. With so many sites taking down big parts of sharing functionality, could that maybe be enough to make a visible dent in global traffic? It would probably be tiny, but still, i'd love to be able to put events of that magnitude in relation to .. anything pretty much. But i guess none of this data is publicly available anywhere if it even exists :/
On January 23 2012 06:51 Malgrif wrote: Megaupload – Closed
Fileserve – Stopped filesharing. You can only download your own files. Deleting multiple files. Banning Premium accounts. Closed Affiliate Program.
Filesonic – Stopped filesharing. You can only download your own files. Closed Affiliate Program. Changed server location Jan 22, 2012. Taken down it's Facebook page Now using Digital fingerprinting. Files are being deleted as soon as uploaded (as Hotfile did).
VideoBB – Closed Affiliate Program.
Filepost – Started suspending accounts with infringing material (as Hotfile did)
Uploaded.t... – Blocked U.S. access.
Videozer – Closed Affiliate Program. Filejungle – Owned by Fileserve (same as above). Testing USA IP addresses blocking.
Uploadstation – Owned by Fileserve (same as above). Testing USA IP addresses blocking.
4Shared – Deleting multiple files
EnterUpload - Down (Redirect) UploadBox - Deleting all their files on Jan. 30th and disabled file sharing
this list is really becoming impressive. So many impulsive reactions from such big sites.. wow. Certainly understandable for site owners to panic, but i would not have imagined that they take it this seriously immediately. It does seem a little overboard.
i would love to see some nice charts about general traffic impacts and such. With so many sites taking down big parts of sharing functionality, could that maybe be enough to make a visible dent in global traffic? It would probably be tiny, but still, i'd love to be able to put events of that magnitude in relation to .. anything pretty much.
Everyone's probably just gone to torrents. Sucks that anonymity's gone with them though, unless you have access to private torrents I guess.
EDIT: I should clarify, I know that these sites would have logs but torrents make it much easier to be identified as any peers/seeders can see your IP address.
On January 23 2012 06:51 Malgrif wrote: Megaupload – Closed
Fileserve – Stopped filesharing. You can only download your own files. Deleting multiple files. Banning Premium accounts. Closed Affiliate Program.
Filesonic – Stopped filesharing. You can only download your own files. Closed Affiliate Program. Changed server location Jan 22, 2012. Taken down it's Facebook page Now using Digital fingerprinting. Files are being deleted as soon as uploaded (as Hotfile did).
VideoBB – Closed Affiliate Program.
Filepost – Started suspending accounts with infringing material (as Hotfile did)
Uploaded.t... – Blocked U.S. access.
Videozer – Closed Affiliate Program. Filejungle – Owned by Fileserve (same as above). Testing USA IP addresses blocking.
Uploadstation – Owned by Fileserve (same as above). Testing USA IP addresses blocking.
4Shared – Deleting multiple files
EnterUpload - Down (Redirect) UploadBox - Deleting all their files on Jan. 30th and disabled file sharing
this list is really becoming impressive. So many impulsive reactions from such big sites.. wow. Certainly understandable for site owners to panic, but i would not have imagined that they take it this seriously immediately. It does seem a little overboard.
i would love to see some nice charts about general traffic impacts and such. With so many sites taking down big parts of sharing functionality, could that maybe be enough to make a visible dent in global traffic? It would probably be tiny, but still, i'd love to be able to put events of that magnitude in relation to .. anything pretty much.
Everyone's probably just gone to torrents. Sucks that anonymity's gone with them though, unless you have access to private torrents I guess.
actually i don't think so, because just "going torrents" means you suddenly become a sharer just by downloading (unless you use a modded client). I don't think everyone just used these file hosters because they are simply more convenient, but also because they allow you to download your stuff without sharing it at the same time, making you "less" of a criminal so to speak.
But i'm very interested to see if the big torrent sites like TBP or EZTV will get a noticable activity increase over the next weeks.
/edit: Notice IP fanatics how i said "using hosters instead of torrents" because it's "more convenient"? .. service problem, as said so many times. Yes obviously not for everybody, but, too a large degree, depending on demographic (disposable income, regional availability of product etc.), definitely the largest reason for people to pirate stuff (my impression).
On January 23 2012 06:51 Malgrif wrote: Looks like pirating on the internet is soon becoming a thing of the past.
yeah right, lol.
Pirates isn't really affected by this move at all lol.
The real looser are those who actually used that service for distribution of large legal files.
I want to see the reasons for the arrests in for Megaupload and the charges. There is no question that this site had copyrighted information on it along with valid, legal files. The issue is going to be if the owners of the site knew about the illegal content and made no effort to remove it or stop people from uploading the content. If they did this and also took money from people to download those files quickly, they are in fact, profiting from pirated content.
It is not a question of if the legal content is there, it is if the owners of the site made any effort to stop pirated content from being uploaded and then charged people. They can't hide behind "I can't control what people upload". The Courts have ruled otherwise and they can control their own service.
On January 23 2012 06:51 Malgrif wrote: Megaupload – Closed
Fileserve – Stopped filesharing. You can only download your own files. Deleting multiple files. Banning Premium accounts. Closed Affiliate Program.
Filesonic – Stopped filesharing. You can only download your own files. Closed Affiliate Program. Changed server location Jan 22, 2012. Taken down it's Facebook page Now using Digital fingerprinting. Files are being deleted as soon as uploaded (as Hotfile did).
VideoBB – Closed Affiliate Program.
Filepost – Started suspending accounts with infringing material (as Hotfile did)
Uploaded.t... – Blocked U.S. access.
Videozer – Closed Affiliate Program. Filejungle – Owned by Fileserve (same as above). Testing USA IP addresses blocking.
Uploadstation – Owned by Fileserve (same as above). Testing USA IP addresses blocking.
4Shared – Deleting multiple files
EnterUpload - Down (Redirect) UploadBox - Deleting all their files on Jan. 30th and disabled file sharing
this list is really becoming impressive. So many impulsive reactions from such big sites.. wow. Certainly understandable for site owners to panic, but i would not have imagined that they take it this seriously immediately. It does seem a little overboard.
i would love to see some nice charts about general traffic impacts and such. With so many sites taking down big parts of sharing functionality, could that maybe be enough to make a visible dent in global traffic? It would probably be tiny, but still, i'd love to be able to put events of that magnitude in relation to .. anything pretty much. But i guess none of this data is publicly available anywhere if it even exists :/
It seems like a pretty strong response from any buisness. I wonder if they knew this was coming or if they were aware they might be treading close illegal actions by not taking down copywrited material. Its not like the people working there are totally unaware of what is going on when a copy of "War Horse", which is currently in theaters, is uploaded.
On January 23 2012 06:51 Malgrif wrote: Looks like pirating on the internet is soon becoming a thing of the past.
yeah right, lol.
Pirates isn't really affected by this move at all lol.
The real looser are those who actually used that service for distribution of large legal files.
I want to see the reasons for the arrests in for Megaupload and the charges. There is no question that this site had copyrighted information on it along with valid, legal files. The issue is going to be if the owners of the site knew about the illegal content and made no effort to remove it or stop people from uploading the content. If they did this and also took money from people to download those files quickly, they are in fact, profiting from pirated content.
It is not a question of if the legal content is there, it is if the owners of the site made any effort to stop pirated content from being uploaded and then charged people. They can't hide behind "I can't control what people upload". The Courts have ruled otherwise and they can control their own service.
Although slightly jerky, thanks for the link. They were charged by a grand jury, which is pretty time consuming. The main reason for the shut down is the fact that unregistered users can upload files, which are stored for 90 days, unless they are downloaded. Users are charged for faster downloads, not storage and every upload is offered to make a link for other people to download.
The whole thing makes a pretty strong case that Megauploads was only interesting making money providing illegal downloads to people.
On January 23 2012 06:51 Malgrif wrote: Megaupload – Closed
Fileserve – Stopped filesharing. You can only download your own files. Deleting multiple files. Banning Premium accounts. Closed Affiliate Program.
Filesonic – Stopped filesharing. You can only download your own files. Closed Affiliate Program. Changed server location Jan 22, 2012. Taken down it's Facebook page Now using Digital fingerprinting. Files are being deleted as soon as uploaded (as Hotfile did).
VideoBB – Closed Affiliate Program.
Filepost – Started suspending accounts with infringing material (as Hotfile did)
Uploaded.t... – Blocked U.S. access.
Videozer – Closed Affiliate Program. Filejungle – Owned by Fileserve (same as above). Testing USA IP addresses blocking.
Uploadstation – Owned by Fileserve (same as above). Testing USA IP addresses blocking.
4Shared – Deleting multiple files
EnterUpload - Down (Redirect) UploadBox - Deleting all their files on Jan. 30th and disabled file sharing
this list is really becoming impressive. So many impulsive reactions from such big sites.. wow. Certainly understandable for site owners to panic, but i would not have imagined that they take it this seriously immediately. It does seem a little overboard.
i would love to see some nice charts about general traffic impacts and such. With so many sites taking down big parts of sharing functionality, could that maybe be enough to make a visible dent in global traffic? It would probably be tiny, but still, i'd love to be able to put events of that magnitude in relation to .. anything pretty much. But i guess none of this data is publicly available anywhere if it even exists :/
It seems like a pretty strong response from any buisness. I wonder if they knew this was coming or if they were aware they might be treading close illegal actions by not taking down copywrited material. Its not like the people working there are totally unaware of what is going on when a copy of "War Horse", which is currently in theaters, is uploaded.
of course they are aware that they are treading close, do you think these providers are stupid? xD if you check any providers top 10 traffic list per week, i'm fairly certain that on average, at least 8 of those 10 files are copyright infringing every week. I bet you would find soo many copyright infringing works if you were to simply ask their databases for the largest number of uploaded files within one week that all have the same name. Like, when a DVD rip or something is released, everyone wants a share of these affiliate programs and uploads that file. If you look at the right sources, for like one episode of House MD for instance, within 3 days you easily can find over 50 different download links for the recorded file on the _same_ file hosting site.
Hell you could probably find 90% of current copyright infringing uploads by simply running a regex on the filenames! Of course that doesn't provide a reliable filter because people would just start naming their files differently, so that's pointless to implement. But still, these sites don't even try. On one file sharing site, you can find 10 copies of the exact same file. 8 of those might be unavailable due to DMCA takedown requests but the other 2 are still up after months - does anyone honestly expect these hosters could not super easily find out that it's the exact same file than the one they removed due to copyright claims 10 minutes earlier? Of course they could, but they just don't, because then they'd earn less money.
I believe the real reason why all those sites are shutting down their services is, that large parts of the facts brought up against megaupload.com were, that the site supports and obfuscates copyright infringing activities. The law only says "when you get a DMCA notice you have to take it down", i don't think there's a paragraph anywhere on obfuscation being illegal, so they all though they were safe enough. But now with megaupload.com taken down partially for those reasons, they all start running. It is a rather impulsive reaction as there has not been made any legal decision, if such obfuscation can be used as evidence or not. But with recent bills like SOPA, it certainly should have been become clear that the lobbyists would definitely like that. For them personally, it's probably a wise decision, especially since they probably have made quite a bit of money already and don't really have to rely on continued income anymore.
So are these "file sharing" services going to remain profitable with all these limitations to their services? If you can't share files with others, then what's the point of using their service..
On January 24 2012 04:11 darkcloud8282 wrote: So are these "file sharing" services going to remain profitable with all these limitations to their services? If you can't share files with others, then what's the point of using their service..
dropbox is so useful, that's a legit file sharing service, most of the services that are now trying to cover their asses had programs rewarding people for putting up bigger files and bringing people in to download them, which really make it look like they are structured for downloading tv shows games and movies. So it's not like legit file sharing is dead.
On January 24 2012 03:41 ZodaSoda wrote: One Word: Torrents
i got a better word income go get some/more....
it doesn't have much to do with money. unless you are 15y old. It's about availability. It simply isn't there even if i wanted to buy it. Besides i don't want to watch it through something as archaic as cable TV a year or 2 after it came out, no thx.
but blaming piracy on money is easier right? i'm sure that'll solve the problem.
Blockbuster, Rogers Video all shutdown (no physical rental stores anymore)
Netflix has shit for selection (the library is pathetic)
VOD service from cable providers is shit as well (overpriced, library is too small)
So what are people supposed to do? Even my brother and sister who do not torrent and are not tech savvy complain about the lack of selection when it comes to renting stuff. If Netflix was half decent i would have no problem giving them my money but as it stands i will continue to torrent all my tv and movies.
I see a lot of complaining from people that stinks of entitlement. I do have to make a point clear that a majority of the files that were on these sites were files that are illegal to download. Movies, MP3, Games, etc... Now that something is finally being done about people are giving me the impression that they really think what they were doing was somehow, um, right?
nb4 government had no right nb4 constitution nb4 won't help sales nb4 ppl used it for legit reasons nb4 nb4
I was planning to sleep early until I clicked on TL to "browse for a few minutes before sleeping." 2 hours later, I'm still doing my homework after procrastinating for so long, reminded of how I've had such a close shave, having just got a really rare/old file which is impossible to torrent now from FS.
On January 23 2012 11:02 Jibba wrote: New laws and shutting down illegal, lying file sharing sites is completely different. I'm 100% against SOPA and PIPA, but I have no problem with MU getting what was coming. Even if I watch shows there, I don't feel entitled to them if the site goes down.
But wouldn't you rather stuff free? Like.. I spent 50$ on music the other day.. I coulda donated it to cancer research had the music been free..
I think don't feel the internet should be censored.
You could have just donated it to cancer out of the goodness of your heart...
why should music be free? someone put effort into making it.
I never said it "should be" I said I would rather it free. It's the record labels making most of the cash off of the CDs regardless. I have bills to pay, etc. I can't throw away money. but say if I had extra money with nothing to purchase (music in this example) then I would be more willing to donate, etc.
You could just go without music. There's no rule out there that says you absolutely need everything you want. You're not entitled to having the music at all, much less cheaper music.
The other side of that coin is that the artists/media companies are not entitled to a massive profit either. It takes zero effort to make a copy, and a lot of effort to create the original. That's the problem. Once the original has been paid for there is no reason for the creator to earn more. A reasonable term for copyright these days would probably be 5 years, maybe less, because if you haven't turned a profit by then you probably never will. Instead we get perpetual copyright extensions that are completely perverting the original purpose of copyright (provide incentive to create).
It's a complex issue and anyone who pretends it isn't is either lying or an idiot.
Very true. I've been wondering for very long why are people still charging so much for old records which were made by people who are already dead. Having said that, 5 years is an unreasonably short period of time for a musician... I was thinking more in terms of 3 years after his/her death, because it takes a lot of time for musicians to get their name out.
On January 24 2012 04:17 Sackings wrote: Heres the situation where i live in canada:
Blockbuster, Rogers Video all shutdown (no physical rental stores anymore)
Netflix has shit for selection (the library is pathetic)
VOD service from cable providers is shit as well (overpriced, library is too small)
So what are people supposed to do? Even my brother and sister who do not torrent and are not tech savvy complain about the lack of selection when it comes to renting stuff. If Netflix was half decent i would have no problem giving them my money but as it stands i will continue to torrent all my tv and movies.
Dont be too sad, the best legal deal here is 5euros to rent a 3 years old movie VOD for 48h (drm), divx quality.
On January 24 2012 04:20 Competent wrote: I see a lot of complaining from people that stinks of entitlement. I do have to make a point clear that a majority of the files that were on these sites were files that are illegal to download. Movies, MP3, Games, etc... Now that something is finally being done about people are giving me the impression that they really think what they were doing was somehow, um, right?
nb4 government had no right nb4 constitution nb4 won't help sales nb4 ppl used it for legit reasons nb4 nb4
ya something is being done, and it will SOLVE nothing!
Keep throwing money at the problem, that ought to fix it, instead of using your head to fix the problem. Or if you don't have a head read 10 posts above yours.
your name would be more fitting if it was incompetent.
On January 24 2012 03:41 ZodaSoda wrote: One Word: Torrents
i got a better word income go get some/more....
it doesn't have much to do with money. unless you are 15y old. It's about availability. It simply isn't there even if i wanted to buy it. Besides i don't want to watch it through something as archaic as cable TV a year or 2 after it came out, no thx.
but blaming piracy on money is easier right? i'm sure that'll solve the problem.
Bull shit if it's about availability, tell me why you get 3 4 million downloading movies and games which are blockbuster kind of movies and games, which short of living in like the congo you can get pretty easily either online though a legit service or in a store. Hell i live on the west coast of the US, i know of 2 Japanese import stores 3 Filipino import stores(they are all pretty close to each other too lol so many Filipinos in my area), 1 Korean import store, 1 mesh of europe import store, you're telling me importing isn't a business outside of the US?. It about time and money, pirates just justify not trying with crap like that, sure maybe every other download is hard to get in their area but why are they downloading something that isn't to begin with it invalidates their so called "it's hard to get". That's just full of crap, it's about the cost of doing something.
On January 23 2012 06:51 Malgrif wrote: Looks like pirating on the internet is soon becoming a thing of the past.
yeah right, lol.
Pirates isn't really affected by this move at all lol.
The real looser are those who actually used that service for distribution of large legal files.
I want to see the reasons for the arrests in for Megaupload and the charges. There is no question that this site had copyrighted information on it along with valid, legal files. The issue is going to be if the owners of the site knew about the illegal content and made no effort to remove it or stop people from uploading the content. If they did this and also took money from people to download those files quickly, they are in fact, profiting from pirated content.
It is not a question of if the legal content is there, it is if the owners of the site made any effort to stop pirated content from being uploaded and then charged people. They can't hide behind "I can't control what people upload". The Courts have ruled otherwise and they can control their own service.
Although slightly jerky, thanks for the link. They were charged by a grand jury, which is pretty time consuming. The main reason for the shut down is the fact that unregistered users can upload files, which are stored for 90 days, unless they are downloaded. Users are charged for faster downloads, not storage and every upload is offered to make a link for other people to download.
The whole thing makes a pretty strong case that Megauploads was only interesting making money providing illegal downloads to people.
Actually they're charged with offering incentives for uploads (to make a larger profit obvs), while using each upload to make it harder to take down materials.
22. When a file is being uploaded to Megaupload.com, the Conspiracy’s automated system calculates a unique identifier for the file (called a “MD5 hash”) that is generated using a mathematical algorithm. If, after the MD5 hash calculation, the system determines that the uploading file already exists on a server controlled by the Mega Conspiracy, Megaupload.com does not reproduce a second copy of the file on that server. Instead, the system provides a new and unique URL link to the new user that is pointed to the original file already present on the server. If there is more than one URL link to a file, then any attempt by the copyright holder to terminate access to the file using the Abuse Tool or other DMCA takedown request will fail because the additional access links will continue to be available.
Facilitating takedown requests is required to fall under the DMCA's safe harbor provisions.
Also apparently money laundering, which is just not very smart ><
On January 24 2012 03:41 ZodaSoda wrote: One Word: Torrents
i got a better word income go get some/more....
it doesn't have much to do with money. unless you are 15y old. It's about availability. It simply isn't there even if i wanted to buy it. Besides i don't want to watch it through something as archaic as cable TV a year or 2 after it came out, no thx.
but blaming piracy on money is easier right? i'm sure that'll solve the problem.
Bull shit if it's about availability, tell me why you get 3 4 million downloading movies and games which are blockbuster kind of movies and games, which short of living in like the congo you can get pretty easily either online though a legit service or in a store. Hell i live on the west coast of the US, i know of 2 Japanese import stores 3 Filipino import stores(they are all pretty close to each other too lol so many Filipinos in my area), 1 Korean import store, 1 mesh of europe import store, you're telling me importing isn't a business outside of the US?. It about time and money, pirates just justify not trying with crap like that, sure maybe every other download is hard to get in their area but why are they downloading something that isn't to begin with it invalidates their so called "it's hard to get". That's just full of crap, it's about the cost of doing something.
ya i know me and most of the posters in this thread must be full of shit. that or it's you. read the last 2 pages.... outside of the US availability isn't there.
Look at music piracy.... itunes make millions even if mp3 are the easiest thing to download on the internet. music piracy is almost irrelevant and online sale are exploding. all that with outrageous 1$ per drm song prices. good thing i don't listen to pop. DJs make weekly shows for free.
Did you know that every1 does not lives on the west coast?
Those who watch anime streams and little UG animes surely have noticed this shit. Well this stuff is forcing me to pirate stuff now because there is no other way to watch my stuff..
Most shows in the US come to Australia months later if at all. Wish I could get Netflix or use the US iTunes store (happy to pay reasonable amounts) to get them immediatly but I can't.
There is simply no legit way of getting tv shows!
(I might have to do that Entropay > Paypal > Netflix trick sometime soon)
On January 23 2012 06:51 Malgrif wrote: Looks like pirating on the internet is soon becoming a thing of the past.
yeah right, lol.
Pirates isn't really affected by this move at all lol.
The real looser are those who actually used that service for distribution of large legal files.
I want to see the reasons for the arrests in for Megaupload and the charges. There is no question that this site had copyrighted information on it along with valid, legal files. The issue is going to be if the owners of the site knew about the illegal content and made no effort to remove it or stop people from uploading the content. If they did this and also took money from people to download those files quickly, they are in fact, profiting from pirated content.
It is not a question of if the legal content is there, it is if the owners of the site made any effort to stop pirated content from being uploaded and then charged people. They can't hide behind "I can't control what people upload". The Courts have ruled otherwise and they can control their own service.
Although slightly jerky, thanks for the link. They were charged by a grand jury, which is pretty time consuming. The main reason for the shut down is the fact that unregistered users can upload files, which are stored for 90 days, unless they are downloaded. Users are charged for faster downloads, not storage and every upload is offered to make a link for other people to download.
The whole thing makes a pretty strong case that Megauploads was only interesting making money providing illegal downloads to people.
Actually they're charged with offering incentives for uploads (to make a larger profit obvs), while using each upload to make it harder to take down materials.
22. When a file is being uploaded to Megaupload.com, the Conspiracy’s automated system calculates a unique identifier for the file (called a “MD5 hash”) that is generated using a mathematical algorithm. If, after the MD5 hash calculation, the system determines that the uploading file already exists on a server controlled by the Mega Conspiracy, Megaupload.com does not reproduce a second copy of the file on that server. Instead, the system provides a new and unique URL link to the new user that is pointed to the original file already present on the server. If there is more than one URL link to a file, then any attempt by the copyright holder to terminate access to the file using the Abuse Tool or other DMCA takedown request will fail because the additional access links will continue to be available.
Facilitating takedown requests is required to fall under the DMCA's safe harbor provisions.
Also apparently money laundering, which is just not very smart ><
Yeah that last part, not very smart. But wait, is anyone suprised that megauploads was up to shady stuff?
On January 24 2012 03:41 ZodaSoda wrote: One Word: Torrents
i got a better word income go get some/more....
it doesn't have much to do with money. unless you are 15y old. It's about availability. It simply isn't there even if i wanted to buy it. Besides i don't want to watch it through something as archaic as cable TV a year or 2 after it came out, no thx.
but blaming piracy on money is easier right? i'm sure that'll solve the problem.
Bull shit if it's about availability, tell me why you get 3 4 million downloading movies and games which are blockbuster kind of movies and games, which short of living in like the congo you can get pretty easily either online though a legit service or in a store. Hell i live on the west coast of the US, i know of 2 Japanese import stores 3 Filipino import stores(they are all pretty close to each other too lol so many Filipinos in my area), 1 Korean import store, 1 mesh of europe import store, you're telling me importing isn't a business outside of the US?. It about time and money, pirates just justify not trying with crap like that, sure maybe every other download is hard to get in their area but why are they downloading something that isn't to begin with it invalidates their so called "it's hard to get". That's just full of crap, it's about the cost of doing something.
ya i know me and most of the posters in this thread must be full of shit. that or it's you. read the last 2 pages.... outside of the US availability isn't there.
Look at music piracy.... itunes make millions even if mp3 are the easiest thing to download on the internet. music piracy is almost irrelevant and online sale are exploding. all that with outrageous 1$ per song prices. good thing i don't listen to pop. DJs make weekly shows for free.
Did you know that every1 does not lives on the west coast?
Lol imports l2read You want to see how hard people will jump though hoops look at the mechanical keyboard threads(i bet they would download their keyboard too if they could) Bull shit go out and try some before going oh well i guess i'll just pirate it.
On January 24 2012 03:41 ZodaSoda wrote: One Word: Torrents
i got a better word income go get some/more....
it doesn't have much to do with money. unless you are 15y old. It's about availability. It simply isn't there even if i wanted to buy it. Besides i don't want to watch it through something as archaic as cable TV a year or 2 after it came out, no thx.
but blaming piracy on money is easier right? i'm sure that'll solve the problem.
Bull shit if it's about availability, tell me why you get 3 4 million downloading movies and games which are blockbuster kind of movies and games, which short of living in like the congo you can get pretty easily either online though a legit service or in a store. Hell i live on the west coast of the US, i know of 2 Japanese import stores 3 Filipino import stores(they are all pretty close to each other too lol so many Filipinos in my area), 1 Korean import store, 1 mesh of europe import store, you're telling me importing isn't a business outside of the US?. It about time and money, pirates just justify not trying with crap like that, sure maybe every other download is hard to get in their area but why are they downloading something that isn't to begin with it invalidates their so called "it's hard to get". That's just full of crap, it's about the cost of doing something.
ya i know me and most of the posters in this thread must be full of shit. that or it's you. read the last 2 pages.... outside of the US availability isn't there.
Look at music piracy.... itunes make millions even if mp3 are the easiest thing to download on the internet. music piracy is almost irrelevant and online sale are exploding. all that with outrageous 1$ per song prices. good thing i don't listen to pop. DJs make weekly shows for free.
Did you know that every1 does not lives on the west coast?
Lol imports l2read You want to see how hard people will jump though hoops look at the mechanical keyboard threads(i bet they would download their keyboard too if they could) Bull shit go out and try some before going oh well i guess i'll just pirate it.
all this ignorance displayed for all to see, it's almost beautiful. facts are bullshit we get it. lolololol l2think lolololol are you what 12?
On January 24 2012 03:41 ZodaSoda wrote: One Word: Torrents
i got a better word income go get some/more....
it doesn't have much to do with money. unless you are 15y old. It's about availability. It simply isn't there even if i wanted to buy it. Besides i don't want to watch it through something as archaic as cable TV a year or 2 after it came out, no thx.
but blaming piracy on money is easier right? i'm sure that'll solve the problem.
Bull shit if it's about availability, tell me why you get 3 4 million downloading movies and games which are blockbuster kind of movies and games, which short of living in like the congo you can get pretty easily either online though a legit service or in a store. Hell i live on the west coast of the US, i know of 2 Japanese import stores 3 Filipino import stores(they are all pretty close to each other too lol so many Filipinos in my area), 1 Korean import store, 1 mesh of europe import store, you're telling me importing isn't a business outside of the US?. It about time and money, pirates just justify not trying with crap like that, sure maybe every other download is hard to get in their area but why are they downloading something that isn't to begin with it invalidates their so called "it's hard to get". That's just full of crap, it's about the cost of doing something.
ya i know me and most of the posters in this thread must be full of shit. that or it's you. read the last 2 pages.... outside of the US availability isn't there.
Look at music piracy.... itunes make millions even if mp3 are the easiest thing to download on the internet. music piracy is almost irrelevant and online sale are exploding. all that with outrageous 1$ per song prices. good thing i don't listen to pop. DJs make weekly shows for free.
Did you know that every1 does not lives on the west coast?
Lol imports l2read You want to see how hard people will jump though hoops look at the mechanical keyboard threads(i bet they would download their keyboard too if they could) Bull shit go out and try some before going oh well i guess i'll just pirate it.
Most American shows can be watched legally online if I tunnel up. From my regular ip, not so much. Stores like our version of iTunes are pathetic in the scope of their offering. Services like Spotify are artificially held behind the most recent releases at least a month to not interfere with other sales, while the digital market is actually steadily growing (52% of total in the US, 32% worldwide) on the few sadly underused fronts where it's properly supplied. Digital download services, which have less costs, manage to charge equally or often more than retailers as to not piss them off. I could go on for quite a while, you really don't know what you're talking about. And then we're just talking availability, not even touching things like DRM.
A torrent takes about 3 clicks. If you want to sell your content it's not about making people jump through hoops. If you just want super tight control and maximize profits on old markets, well, this is the digital age.
On January 24 2012 03:41 ZodaSoda wrote: One Word: Torrents
i got a better word income go get some/more....
it doesn't have much to do with money. unless you are 15y old. It's about availability. It simply isn't there even if i wanted to buy it. Besides i don't want to watch it through something as archaic as cable TV a year or 2 after it came out, no thx.
but blaming piracy on money is easier right? i'm sure that'll solve the problem.
Bull shit if it's about availability, tell me why you get 3 4 million downloading movies and games which are blockbuster kind of movies and games, which short of living in like the congo you can get pretty easily either online though a legit service or in a store. Hell i live on the west coast of the US, i know of 2 Japanese import stores 3 Filipino import stores(they are all pretty close to each other too lol so many Filipinos in my area), 1 Korean import store, 1 mesh of europe import store, you're telling me importing isn't a business outside of the US?. It about time and money, pirates just justify not trying with crap like that, sure maybe every other download is hard to get in their area but why are they downloading something that isn't to begin with it invalidates their so called "it's hard to get". That's just full of crap, it's about the cost of doing something.
ya i know me and most of the posters in this thread must be full of shit. that or it's you. read the last 2 pages.... outside of the US availability isn't there.
Look at music piracy.... itunes make millions even if mp3 are the easiest thing to download on the internet. music piracy is almost irrelevant and online sale are exploding. all that with outrageous 1$ per song prices. good thing i don't listen to pop. DJs make weekly shows for free.
Did you know that every1 does not lives on the west coast?
Lol imports l2read You want to see how hard people will jump though hoops look at the mechanical keyboard threads(i bet they would download their keyboard too if they could) Bull shit go out and try some before going oh well i guess i'll just pirate it.
You are just some ignorant dude. Totally denying the argument of mp3 distributing sites. I pirated some music, who didn't. Guess what i bought about 12 albums from musicload in the last 7 month. Deny it more. It is easier to blame people instead of facing a problem and go trough it with some brainpower. Weren't you talking about lazyness?
edit: and btw those mp3 i download are of course DRM-free, just to make sure you see the contradiction to your arguments .
On January 24 2012 04:32 Ryndika wrote: Those who watch anime streams and little UG animes surely have noticed this shit. Well this stuff is forcing me to pirate stuff now because there is no other way to watch my stuff..
e: Same with 50% of movies I watch.
So true. Need to torrent now every new anime(subbed)
Torrents are sure way to go, but their main disadvantage is lack of seeders, when you search for some older/not so popular stuff.Closure of these services is going to hurt everyone, it was relatively easy to use them, and with programs like jdownloader you basically had unlimited access to them. rip
i'm poor as fuck, that's why i pirate music. if i get a stable job once i graduate i will be sure to buy every album that i want and erase all the pirated stuff, but i will never look down on someone for pirating. i would really much rather see a drastic change in the music market as a whole though, the current system is not as efficient as it could be obviously
Is there anything we can do against the US? They keep thinking they are the world leaders, it keeps pissing me off :/. USA you are not the fucking world leaders. ugh and to think they are actually europeans :/. I mean i'm sure there are just normal americans. But the amount of retarded people the USA has is just insane.
On January 24 2012 06:54 Drorctopus wrote: Is there anything we can do against the US? They keep thinking they are the world leaders, it keeps pissing me off :/. USA you are not the fucking world leaders.
no they don't. Have you ever seen one of those SOPA campaign videos? they only want to protect their american jobs and their american dollars with that stuff, not protect the whole world from cyber criminals. Your statement is just wrong. The big issue is just that the US make up a major share of the western technology world, so anything they do simply affects everyone in the whole world. but they don't try to do anything for people outside of the US, so they really are not trying to be "world leaders".
On January 24 2012 06:54 Drorctopus wrote: Is there anything we can do against the US? They keep thinking they are the world leaders, it keeps pissing me off :/. USA you are not the fucking world leaders.
no they don't. Have you ever seen one of those SOPA campaign videos? they only want to protect their american jobs and their american dollars with that stuff, not protect the whole world from cyber criminals. Your statement is just wrong. The big issue is just that the US make up a major share of the western technology world, so anything they do simply affects everyone in the whole world. but they don't try to do anything for people outside of the US, so they really are not trying to be "world leaders".
On January 24 2012 06:54 Drorctopus wrote: Is there anything we can do against the US? They keep thinking they are the world leaders, it keeps pissing me off :/. USA you are not the fucking world leaders.
no they don't. Have you ever seen one of those SOPA campaign videos? they only want to protect their american jobs and their american dollars with that stuff, not protect the whole world from cyber criminals. Your statement is just wrong. The big issue is just that the US make up a major share of the western technology world, so anything they do simply affects everyone in the whole world. but they don't try to do anything for people outside of the US, so they really are not trying to be "world leaders".
no it is true, that's just what i was trying to say. they try to protect their american IP. That may be by going after foreign people or american people, that really doesn't matter. They don't go after the UK student because he did something wrong in the UK, they go after him because he violated american IP rights. they only represent american interests, so they are only american leaders. It doesn't matter where they try to execute it, the point is on whose behalf they do it
Ah yeah, that's accurate then, but still I think the idea of the person you quoted is that they want to stop the US from pushing their laws/interests on other countries.
On January 24 2012 07:40 Logo wrote: Ah yeah, that's accurate then, but still I think the idea of the person you quoted is that they want to stop the US from pushing their laws/interests on other countries.
is the US trying to push other countries to adopt their laws? if so, i've never heard of that. The cooperations that suggest these laws might be lobbying in countries all over the world, but the US government doesn't promote those i think? I don't think the us government is doing anything to promote their copyright laws, like offering trade benefits or threatening with embargos or even war? It's just lobbying companies that spread that stuff i think.
So really going after the US government is not quite the best way to combat it. Sure it might help cause lobbying apparently works best in the US and many states maybe like to follow US examples, so going against the US government might slow things down. But to really fight it and stop it, that probably won't help all that much.
:D cmon guys dont worry people are smart when it comes to stealing/piracy. I agree it was a nice *click* *click* thing with those websites but honestly im suprised they survived this long.. We will just have to learn different paths of getting files we want (it will be probably trickier for US mates) .Thats all these guys achieved doing this they made us to do a couple of clicks more, GG WP
On January 24 2012 03:41 ZodaSoda wrote: One Word: Torrents
i got a better word income go get some/more....
it doesn't have much to do with money. unless you are 15y old. It's about availability. It simply isn't there even if i wanted to buy it. Besides i don't want to watch it through something as archaic as cable TV a year or 2 after it came out, no thx.
but blaming piracy on money is easier right? i'm sure that'll solve the problem.
Bull shit if it's about availability, tell me why you get 3 4 million downloading movies and games which are blockbuster kind of movies and games, which short of living in like the congo you can get pretty easily either online though a legit service or in a store. Hell i live on the west coast of the US, i know of 2 Japanese import stores 3 Filipino import stores(they are all pretty close to each other too lol so many Filipinos in my area), 1 Korean import store, 1 mesh of europe import store, you're telling me importing isn't a business outside of the US?. It about time and money, pirates just justify not trying with crap like that, sure maybe every other download is hard to get in their area but why are they downloading something that isn't to begin with it invalidates their so called "it's hard to get". That's just full of crap, it's about the cost of doing something.
ya i know me and most of the posters in this thread must be full of shit. that or it's you. read the last 2 pages.... outside of the US availability isn't there.
Look at music piracy.... itunes make millions even if mp3 are the easiest thing to download on the internet. music piracy is almost irrelevant and online sale are exploding. all that with outrageous 1$ per song prices. good thing i don't listen to pop. DJs make weekly shows for free.
Did you know that every1 does not lives on the west coast?
Lol imports l2read You want to see how hard people will jump though hoops look at the mechanical keyboard threads(i bet they would download their keyboard too if they could) Bull shit go out and try some before going oh well i guess i'll just pirate it.
You are just some ignorant dude. Totally denying the argument of mp3 distributing sites. I pirated some music, who didn't. Guess what i bought about 12 albums from musicload in the last 7 month. Deny it more. It is easier to blame people instead of facing a problem and go trough it with some brainpower. Weren't you talking about lazyness?
edit: and btw those mp3 i download are of course DRM-free, just to make sure you see the contradiction to your arguments .
On January 24 2012 04:32 Ryndika wrote: Those who watch anime streams and little UG animes surely have noticed this shit. Well this stuff is forcing me to pirate stuff now because there is no other way to watch my stuff..
e: Same with 50% of movies I watch.
So true. Need to torrent now every new anime(subbed)
Ahah same here, actually downloaded anime for the first time in years yesterday because of the downed streams.
If the US wants to stop US citizens from pirating music they could just institute country-wide IP blocking for the offending sites...but then too many people would compare them to China for their liking.
On January 24 2012 04:20 Competent wrote: I see a lot of complaining from people that stinks of entitlement. I do have to make a point clear that a majority of the files that were on these sites were files that are illegal to download. Movies, MP3, Games, etc... Now that something is finally being done about people are giving me the impression that they really think what they were doing was somehow, um, right?
nb4 government had no right nb4 constitution nb4 won't help sales nb4 ppl used it for legit reasons nb4 nb4
ya something is being done, and it will SOLVE nothing!
Keep throwing money at the problem, that ought to fix it, instead of using your head to fix the problem. Or if you don't have a head read 10 posts above yours.
your name would be more fitting if it was incompetent.
Really don't see how this will hurt them by stopping the sharing. Please though, enlighten me. I know it will hurt you Mr. Entitlement.
Or you could press "Menu" and instantly go to the menu. I haven't seen a movie for at least 5 years that actually put trailers on the DVD without any bypass method. Maybe in theaters, but DVDs aren't so terrible as the image says.
On January 24 2012 08:29 Shifft wrote: If the US wants to stop US citizens from pirating music they could just institute country-wide IP blocking for the offending sites...but then too many people would compare them to China for their liking.
Yeah.. not far off as is. Though it must be said that this is not a "omg you Americans" thing. Politicians over there are fairly out of touch with their voters, but then that does seem to come with the territory these days. Follow the money.
The problem with blocking measures like ip blocks is that they aren't really feasible without some friendly fire. Plus you'd either not only have to find a way to make the list that's accurate and blocks the right targets (and just the right targets) but also to keep it up to date as offenders and legitimate businesses move around. Do we just trust big content to provide such a record? Do we want to start looking at everyone's internet traffic, all the time, as some proposals suggest, to determine who's a baddy? What do we and don't we like anyway? It's a slippery slope.
The alternative would be dns filtering, also proposed, but then you'd start seriously breaking how everyone everywhere gets to sites, concerns about the trust model aside.
The problem with the technology is that it's supposed to connect everything, that's it's purpose. And if you can find ways to throw up blockades with it, others can find ways around those with it. It can never offer a perfect solution, not as long as it's also open anyway. That's why things like this will just never kill piracy.
I'm hesitant to say these file lockers going down will actually stall piracy - while indeed it will cripple piracy in the short-term people will just use more underground methods to get files, e.g. irc.
Well, bands concerts will go down, mp3 on itunes will go up, netflix will make money, artists will lose and overall I think people will buy LESS stuff since they wont know about it ...
You should understand that this has nothing to do with piracy
Its an effort to control the internet and then control the news flow thus control the population like they did years after years by sensoring the tv and radio news.
with internet they cant and is a desperate attemt to do it .
Fyi the so called copyrighted laws have been the very same since 1500 , heck the world have progress till then but not the laws.
For the record the same companies , that are behind sopa now , years ago and when the rights for camera and such were all patend under bells ? name i think they moved to california to avoid the search authorities so look whos f@!$ing talking now.
Get your facts str8 and whoever lives in u.s protest about it and dont vote whoever support this .
On January 24 2012 11:48 Clazziquai10 wrote: FUCK! I have a filesonic account! What should I do??? I'M SO SAD!!!!!!!!!
a probably fruitless method, but try to do a chargeback on your credit card. you can argue for services not rendered or whatever when you reach the credit card rep. that is if you paid with a CC. paypal disputes tend to be a pain in the ass from experience.
While the sentiment is half there, the bottom line is that pirating offers a similar or better service than most (movie) distributors these days. It's not really about the ads or warnings, but the ability to obtain the material. For a movie, it is a 3p0 minute ordeal to shop directly through comparison, put in payment information, and download. Meanwhile, it takes me just 10 minutes to Google and download a movie "free."
To be fair, Steam and music in general have become very competitive with piracy. Multiplayer and updates with steam, and huge searchable databases of sample, one-click, and/or licensable music. Movies still lag far behind though.
On January 24 2012 20:16 T.O.P. wrote: Why don't they shut down linking sites instead like http://www.rlslog.net/
Because they are an extreme grey area although they clearly are only there for piracy they don't really host any pirating material at most they give guides to do so, you get into censorship problems if you do that. Great thing to authorities is that people running megaupload were incompetent enough to get caught doing other things then just running a site that is popular with pirates.
On January 25 2012 03:59 DeepElemBlues wrote: For years and years people thumbed their nose at the Man, laughed at the Man, said the Man couldn't stop them, all that jock-grabbing nonsense.
Now the Man is getting serious, and people act like they just got hit by a truck.
How could people not see this coming?
I wondered why it took so long. The site clearly had no other intent that to allow people to share illegally obtained content. No search feature? People who act like these sorts of services did nothing wrong are crazy. Its like a landlord who knowingly rents an apartment to drug dealers and then harasses the police they attempt to make arrests. After you do that for a while and the police gather enough evidence that the landlord is fully aware of the drug sales, they charge him as an accessory. He can't say "I was just renting the apartment. I don't know where the rent comes from. What they do there is not my problem. Sure I chased the police away and told them never to come back without a warrent. What is wrong with that? They are my tenants."
At a point you are protecting the illegal activity for your own gain. You should be arrested for that.
On January 24 2012 07:40 Logo wrote: Ah yeah, that's accurate then, but still I think the idea of the person you quoted is that they want to stop the US from pushing their laws/interests on other countries.
is the US trying to push other countries to adopt their laws? if so, i've never heard of that. The cooperations that suggest these laws might be lobbying in countries all over the world, but the US government doesn't promote those i think? I don't think the us government is doing anything to promote their copyright laws, like offering trade benefits or threatening with embargos or even war? It's just lobbying companies that spread that stuff i think.
So really going after the US government is not quite the best way to combat it. Sure it might help cause lobbying apparently works best in the US and many states maybe like to follow US examples, so going against the US government might slow things down. But to really fight it and stop it, that probably won't help all that much.
Also for reference people should keep in mind the people complaining about pirates are the same people who claim that movies like Return of the Jedi and Harry Potter are not profitable:
On January 24 2012 11:40 tehneXus wrote: Piratebay is based in sweden, so it cant go down due to american laws
Yoshi- wrote: Also piratebay is not hosting anything, while file hoster, are obv hosting the files
It's just naive to believe things like this anymore. These are the same kinds of arguments we've heard for years, and they sound as good now as they sounded then, and mean just as much. Which is nothing other than "the government of Sweden wouldn't go along with it," or the government of some other country where sites like TPB are hosted.
Trusting any government to not cave in or to not honestly change its mind and jump on the US anti-piracy bandwagon is not something I think is going to work.
On January 24 2012 11:40 tehneXus wrote: Piratebay is based in sweden, so it cant go down due to american laws
But then you forget what kind of power and influence the US has over most of Europe, including Sweden. Just a few weeks ago, the US told Spain to enact internet censorship laws and they did so with little hesitation, and Spain is I'd say at the lower tiers of US influence. Yes, if the US wants Sweden to do something like this, they will do it. You underestimate how hegemonic we are. Don't worry, the Urartians underestimated a hegemonic power too, but it didn't turn out well for them (see Tiglath-Pileser).
On January 24 2012 11:40 tehneXus wrote: Piratebay is based in sweden, so it cant go down due to american laws
But then you forget what kind of power and influence the US has over most of Europe, including Sweden. Just a few weeks ago, the US told Spain to enact internet censorship laws and they did so with little hesitation, and Spain is I'd say at the lower tiers of US influence. Yes, if the US wants Sweden to do something like this, they will do it. You underestimate how hegemonic we are. Don't worry, the Urartians underestimated a hegemonic power too, but it didn't turn out well for them (see Tiglath-Pileser).
Actually, the US has probably more power over spain than over Sweden or Germany. Sure, they could threaten us with higher taxes or something like that for our products, but the US gov. won't risk so much political tension with Germany just because of censorship laws for the internet, especially since the internet lobby is relatively strong in Germany AND in Sweden and they'd lose money(e.g. through taxes) if they'd raise taxes for german products. And I think that you overestimate the hegemonic power of the USA(looking it up on wikipedia might help), and I've heard a few times lately that the USA is a hegemony, but when I learned about it in my history classes and had to compare it with imperialism(the ancient form and the modern forms) I kinda learned something else about it than you guys think it is.
EDIT: Yay wikipedia agrees with me:
In the post–Cold War (1945–1991) world, the French Socialist politician Hubert Védrine described the USA as a hegemonic hyperpower, because of its unilateral military actions worldwide, especially against Iraq; while the US political scientists John Mearsheimer and Joseph Nye counter that the USA is not a true hegemon because it has neither the financial nor the military resources to impose a proper, formal, global hegemony.
Though that's just from 1945-1991, but since neither USA's power nor it's economy have grown since then(I'd say the opposite is the case, especially with China, India, Brazil and other countries have grown much stronger since then), it probably only adds to my point.
Though that's just from 1945-1991, but since neither USA's power nor it's economy have grown since then(I'd say the opposite is the case, especially with China, India, Brazil and other countries have grown much stronger since then), it probably only adds to my point.
The US economy and military power have grown quite a bit since 1991... economy is almost twice as big (8 trillion 1991, 15 trillion today), military much more technologically advanced...
Dunno how people think that because other countries are also stronger than they were, the US is weaker.
About MegaUpload's De-Duplication process. I don't understand how people can say that all use of a file is infringing if one use is infringing.
Just because one person infringed with the file does not mean that some use of the file was not fair-use. It makes perfect sense to me to just disable the individual links that were considered infringment while keeping the file as long as at least one link still references it.
They can never kill bittorrent and for that I am thankful. I still can't believe they're wasting perfectly good recources on shutting down these sites.
On January 25 2012 04:32 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On January 24 2012 11:40 tehneXus wrote: Piratebay is based in sweden, so it cant go down due to american laws
But then you forget what kind of power and influence the US has over most of Europe, including Sweden. Just a few weeks ago, the US told Spain to enact internet censorship laws and they did so with little hesitation, and Spain is I'd say at the lower tiers of US influence. Yes, if the US wants Sweden to do something like this, they will do it. You underestimate how hegemonic we are. Don't worry, the Urartians underestimated a hegemonic power too, but it didn't turn out well for them (see Tiglath-Pileser).
Actually, the US has probably more power over spain than over Sweden or Germany. Sure, they could threaten us with higher taxes or something like that for our products, but the US gov. won't risk so much political tension with Germany just because of censorship laws for the internet, especially since the internet lobby is relatively strong in Germany AND in Sweden and they'd lose money(e.g. through taxes) if they'd raise taxes for german products. And I think that you overestimate the hegemonic power of the USA(looking it up on wikipedia might help), and I've heard a few times lately that the USA is a hegemony, but when I learned about it in my history classes and had to compare it with imperialism(the ancient form and the modern forms) I kinda learned something else about it than you guys think it is.
In the post–Cold War (1945–1991) world, the French Socialist politician Hubert Védrine described the USA as a hegemonic hyperpower, because of its unilateral military actions worldwide, especially against Iraq; while the US political scientists John Mearsheimer and Joseph Nye counter that the USA is not a true hegemon because it has neither the financial nor the military resources to impose a proper, formal, global hegemony.
Though that's just from 1945-1991, but since neither USA's power nor it's economy have grown since then(I'd say the opposite is the case, especially with China, India, Brazil and other countries have grown much stronger since then), it probably only adds to my point.
The US influence and presence in Europe is best seen in Germany. I think the US has quite a bit with Germany. Additionally, the US doesn't have to risk political tension with countries that are in some way or another subservient, and i'm quite sure the German govt. is regularly compliant to US demands. Also, what the German govt. thinks is independent of what the German lobby groups think. If pressured by the US, I'm certain the German govt. will try to enact this legislation, and then we'd have to see what the countering lobbies would be able to do. The point is that those lobbies are separate entities from the govt.
Imperialism need not be territorial. It can be hegemonic (note how I mentioned the Assyrians, a very famous ancient empire), and I'd very certain that most of Europe, Japan, South Korea, Canada, and a couple other countries are strongly in our grip.
With the collapse of the Soviet Union, the US gained spheres of influence in the rest of Germany and much of eastern Europe. That's a COLOSSAL strategic gain. The US has become a lot more powerful since 1991.
On January 24 2012 11:40 tehneXus wrote: Piratebay is based in sweden, so it cant go down due to american laws
Yoshi- wrote: Also piratebay is not hosting anything, while file hoster, are obv hosting the files
It's just naive to believe things like this anymore. These are the same kinds of arguments we've heard for years, and they sound as good now as they sounded then, and mean just as much. Which is nothing other than "the government of Sweden wouldn't go along with it," or the government of some other country where sites like TPB are hosted.
Trusting any government to not cave in or to not honestly change its mind and jump on the US anti-piracy bandwagon is not something I think is going to work.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but TPB isn't even a tracker anymore. They just have the files on catalog, but when you check which trackers were added on the torrenting program (utorrent, bittorrent, etc.) it's usually a whole bunch of other trackers. So basically it's a tracker search engine like torrentz.com, the same way filestube.com is a search for filesharing sites like rapidshare, etc.
On January 25 2012 08:21 hinnolinn wrote: About MegaUpload's De-Duplication process. I don't understand how people can say that all use of a file is infringing if one use is infringing.
Just because one person infringed with the file does not mean that some use of the file was not fair-use. It makes perfect sense to me to just disable the individual links that were considered infringment while keeping the file as long as at least one link still references it.
Because putting the file on MegaUpload is, in and of itself, a violation of fair use.
Under fair use you do not have the right to make a copy of a copyrighted material and distribute it throughout the world just because someone *might* be downloading it for a fair use reason.
On January 25 2012 08:21 hinnolinn wrote: About MegaUpload's De-Duplication process. I don't understand how people can say that all use of a file is infringing if one use is infringing.
Just because one person infringed with the file does not mean that some use of the file was not fair-use. It makes perfect sense to me to just disable the individual links that were considered infringment while keeping the file as long as at least one link still references it.
Because putting the file on MegaUpload is, in and of itself, a violation of fair use.
Under fair use you do not have the right to make a copy of a copyrighted material and distribute it throughout the world just because someone *might* be downloading it for a fair use reason.
I think his kind of thinking is the result of those ridiculous disclaimers they used to put on rom sites.
"You may only download for backup purposes if you already own the game!"
Completely untrue. You just can't legally download it, period. Granted, no one has ever been prosecuted for downloading, but the point remains tht uploading for backup does not constitute fair use.
Though that's just from 1945-1991, but since neither USA's power nor it's economy have grown since then(I'd say the opposite is the case, especially with China, India, Brazil and other countries have grown much stronger since then), it probably only adds to my point.
The US economy and military power have grown quite a bit since 1991... economy is almost twice as big (8 trillion 1991, 15 trillion today), military much more technologically advanced...
Dunno how people think that because other countries are also stronger than they were, the US is weaker.
Since other countries have grown aswell and Obama signed a law not that long ago which says that the american army doesn't need to be able 2 fight a two front war anymore(which basically means that the army get's less money and therefore shrinks) I think I'm going to disagree with you here.
On January 25 2012 10:41 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On January 25 2012 04:32 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On January 24 2012 11:40 tehneXus wrote: Piratebay is based in sweden, so it cant go down due to american laws
But then you forget what kind of power and influence the US has over most of Europe, including Sweden. Just a few weeks ago, the US told Spain to enact internet censorship laws and they did so with little hesitation, and Spain is I'd say at the lower tiers of US influence. Yes, if the US wants Sweden to do something like this, they will do it. You underestimate how hegemonic we are. Don't worry, the Urartians underestimated a hegemonic power too, but it didn't turn out well for them (see Tiglath-Pileser).
Actually, the US has probably more power over spain than over Sweden or Germany. Sure, they could threaten us with higher taxes or something like that for our products, but the US gov. won't risk so much political tension with Germany just because of censorship laws for the internet, especially since the internet lobby is relatively strong in Germany AND in Sweden and they'd lose money(e.g. through taxes) if they'd raise taxes for german products. And I think that you overestimate the hegemonic power of the USA(looking it up on wikipedia might help), and I've heard a few times lately that the USA is a hegemony, but when I learned about it in my history classes and had to compare it with imperialism(the ancient form and the modern forms) I kinda learned something else about it than you guys think it is.
EDIT: Yay wikipedia agrees with me:
In the post–Cold War (1945–1991) world, the French Socialist politician Hubert Védrine described the USA as a hegemonic hyperpower, because of its unilateral military actions worldwide, especially against Iraq; while the US political scientists John Mearsheimer and Joseph Nye counter that the USA is not a true hegemon because it has neither the financial nor the military resources to impose a proper, formal, global hegemony.
Though that's just from 1945-1991, but since neither USA's power nor it's economy have grown since then(I'd say the opposite is the case, especially with China, India, Brazil and other countries have grown much stronger since then), it probably only adds to my point.
The US influence and presence in Europe is best seen in Germany. I think the US has quite a bit with Germany. Additionally, the US doesn't have to risk political tension with countries that are in some way or another subservient, and i'm quite sure the German govt. is regularly compliant to US demands. Also, what the German govt. thinks is independent of what the German lobby groups think. If pressured by the US, I'm certain the German govt. will try to enact this legislation, and then we'd have to see what the countering lobbies would be able to do. The point is that those lobbies are separate entities from the govt.
Imperialism need not be territorial. It can be hegemonic (note how I mentioned the Assyrians, a very famous ancient empire), and I'd very certain that most of Europe, Japan, South Korea, Canada, and a couple other countries are strongly in our grip.
With the collapse of the Soviet Union, the US gained spheres of influence in the rest of Germany and much of eastern Europe. That's a COLOSSAL strategic gain. The US has become a lot more powerful since 1991.
So you actually think that the american gov. could pressure the german one into signing laws to censor the internet although we don't even censor our tv programs and in berlin the pirate party has more voters than the smaller one the CSU coalated with to get enough seats in the Bundestag to get a majority there. Because I don't think so and for a country that's "regularly subservient" we went directly against the US gov. and the rest of Europe(which was pretty retarded, but the sense of it isn't the point here) in the decission if we should send soldiers south to help the citizens in africa to throw over the regimes down there. And since military operations are basically "the thing" of the US to operate in the world and we already openly disagreed with you there the gov here doesn't seem that subservient to the US to me. Additionally in the year 2009 only 10% of the exports from germany's exports went to America(not the USA the whole continent) and the demand of states like Brazil, China and India grows more and more every year, so we don't depend on the imports of the US as much as you might think we do. And since Germany is the biggest media market(music, films, games...) in europe the lobbies here are mighty enough already and the last time the german gov. wanted to sign a law which wasn't nearly as bad as the SOPA, and was intended to block childpornography sites, the gov. got massive heat from the citizens and other parties just because we thought that if we don't stop them there they might demand harsher laws(including those against filesharing) for internet censorship in the future. And can you give any reasons why the influence of the USA has grown since 1991 because that would actually interest me.
EDIT: Yes we do take our internet freedom and privacy pretty serious here.
Though that's just from 1945-1991, but since neither USA's power nor it's economy have grown since then(I'd say the opposite is the case, especially with China, India, Brazil and other countries have grown much stronger since then), it probably only adds to my point.
The US economy and military power have grown quite a bit since 1991... economy is almost twice as big (8 trillion 1991, 15 trillion today), military much more technologically advanced...
Dunno how people think that because other countries are also stronger than they were, the US is weaker.
Since other countries have grown aswell and Obama signed a law not that long ago which says that the american army doesn't need to be able 2 fight a two front war anymore(which basically means that the army get's less money and therefore shrinks) I think I'm going to disagree with you here.
On January 25 2012 10:41 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On January 25 2012 05:01 SilentchiLL wrote:
On January 25 2012 04:32 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On January 24 2012 11:40 tehneXus wrote: Piratebay is based in sweden, so it cant go down due to american laws
But then you forget what kind of power and influence the US has over most of Europe, including Sweden. Just a few weeks ago, the US told Spain to enact internet censorship laws and they did so with little hesitation, and Spain is I'd say at the lower tiers of US influence. Yes, if the US wants Sweden to do something like this, they will do it. You underestimate how hegemonic we are. Don't worry, the Urartians underestimated a hegemonic power too, but it didn't turn out well for them (see Tiglath-Pileser).
Actually, the US has probably more power over spain than over Sweden or Germany. Sure, they could threaten us with higher taxes or something like that for our products, but the US gov. won't risk so much political tension with Germany just because of censorship laws for the internet, especially since the internet lobby is relatively strong in Germany AND in Sweden and they'd lose money(e.g. through taxes) if they'd raise taxes for german products. And I think that you overestimate the hegemonic power of the USA(looking it up on wikipedia might help), and I've heard a few times lately that the USA is a hegemony, but when I learned about it in my history classes and had to compare it with imperialism(the ancient form and the modern forms) I kinda learned something else about it than you guys think it is.
EDIT: Yay wikipedia agrees with me:
In the post–Cold War (1945–1991) world, the French Socialist politician Hubert Védrine described the USA as a hegemonic hyperpower, because of its unilateral military actions worldwide, especially against Iraq; while the US political scientists John Mearsheimer and Joseph Nye counter that the USA is not a true hegemon because it has neither the financial nor the military resources to impose a proper, formal, global hegemony.
Though that's just from 1945-1991, but since neither USA's power nor it's economy have grown since then(I'd say the opposite is the case, especially with China, India, Brazil and other countries have grown much stronger since then), it probably only adds to my point.
The US influence and presence in Europe is best seen in Germany. I think the US has quite a bit with Germany. Additionally, the US doesn't have to risk political tension with countries that are in some way or another subservient, and i'm quite sure the German govt. is regularly compliant to US demands. Also, what the German govt. thinks is independent of what the German lobby groups think. If pressured by the US, I'm certain the German govt. will try to enact this legislation, and then we'd have to see what the countering lobbies would be able to do. The point is that those lobbies are separate entities from the govt.
Imperialism need not be territorial. It can be hegemonic (note how I mentioned the Assyrians, a very famous ancient empire), and I'd very certain that most of Europe, Japan, South Korea, Canada, and a couple other countries are strongly in our grip.
With the collapse of the Soviet Union, the US gained spheres of influence in the rest of Germany and much of eastern Europe. That's a COLOSSAL strategic gain. The US has become a lot more powerful since 1991.
So you actually think that the american gov. could pressure the german one into signing laws to censor the internet although we don't even censor our tv programs and in berlin the pirate party has more voters than the smaller one the CSU coalated with to get enough seats in the Bundestag to get a majority there.
Ja!
If we really wanted to make it happen, it will be done. Don't underestimate US power and influence, and don't underestimate US power in Germany following WW2 and the Soviet fall.
Because I don't think so and for a country that's "regularly subservient" we went directly against the US gov. and the rest of Europe(which was pretty retarded, but the sense of it isn't the point here) in the decission if we should send soldiers south to help the citizens in africa to throw over the regimes down there. And since military operations are basically "the thing" of the US to operate in the world and we already openly disagreed with you there the gov here doesn't seem that subservient to the US to me. Additionally in the year 2009 only 10% of the exports from germany's exports went to America(not the USA the whole continent) and the demand of states like Brazil, China and India grows more and more every year, so we don't depend on the imports of the US as much as you might think we do. And since Germany is the biggest media market(music, films, games...) in europe the lobbies here are mighty enough already and the last time the german gov. wanted to sign a law which wasn't nearly as bad as the SOPA, and was intended to block childpornography sites, the gov. got massive heat from the citizens and other parties just because we thought that if we don't stop them there they might demand harsher laws(including those against filesharing) for internet censorship in the future. And can you give any reasons why the influence of the USA has grown since 1991 because that would actually interest me.
EDIT: Yes we do take our internet freedom and privacy pretty serious here.
We already have your soldiers in Afghanistan, 5,000 in fact, which is the most after Britain and US :S. And for a particularly minor thing like this stuff in Africa that no one cares about and I haven't even heard of, whatever it is, why would we need you. You mention German exports to the US, but then you randomly throw in imports. They're different things. In any case, you're implying that importing stuff from the US implies how hegemonic it is. No, it doesn't work that way. One thing (of very, very many) we can do and did just with Spain a few weeks ago is threaten trade restrictions, and Merkel will be on her knees no doubt about it. In case you're wondering, the media industry is FOR laws like SOPA, not against. I highly doubt the German entertainment industry would oppose it unless there are inhumanly strange circumstances in Germany I'm not aware of. I don't care if there's counter-lobbies because we have those here too, and they just happen to be among the world's biggest web service companies, like Google.
DEB couldn't have put it better:
Trusting any government to not cave in or to not honestly change its mind and jump on the US anti-piracy bandwagon is not something I think is going to work.
Why did the influence of the US grow, you ask? Well look, after WW2, the western half of Europe was dominated by the US, while the eastern half was dominated by the Soviet Union. Now 20 years ago, the Soviet Union collapsed, along with their hegemony in Eastern Europe. The US took advantage of the opportunity and is now heavily in eastern Europe and Balkans. We didn't just gain, we gained at the expense of our rival, Russia. We're the big dogs in Eastern Europe now. We also have a much larger grasp in the Mideast (well, IDK about now after Mubarak was overthrown), one of the most important strategic regions in the world. Our practical monopoly over world affairs following the USSRs collapse, before the last decade with the resurgence of Russia and a growing China, allowed us to significantly increase our global power and influence overall, most particularly in the Mideast and Balkans and eastern Europe. Colossal gain.
Kinda sad that you didn't understand most of my post. 1.
Don't underestimate US power and influence, and don't underestimate US power in Germany following WW2 and the Soviet fall.
Can you actually give any reasons why you still have influence from back then in Germany? And I mean significance influence. 2.
We already have your soldiers in Afghanistan, 5,000 in fact, which is the most after Britain and US :S. And for a particularly minor thing like this stuff in Africa that no one cares about and I haven't even heard of, whatever it is, why would we need you.
I was talking about the riots against the regimes in north africa, you know the stuff about Gaddafi and the other dictators where the german gov. was the only one which was against deploying EU troops there(not very smart and it got heat from pretty much everyone for it but it still stood against the american and european opinion there) and if you think about the reasons why you need us that's pretty simple: Military actions cost money, without european troops the USA would have to use way more of their own troops and of course cooperation of the US and the EU raise the pressure extremely. 3.
You mention German exports to the US, but then you randomly throw in imports. They're different things. In any case, you're implying that importing stuff from the US implies how hegemonic it is. No, it doesn't work that way. One thing (of very, very many) we can do and did just with Spain a few weeks ago is threaten trade restrictions, and Merkel will be on her knees no doubt about it.
The quality of this particular part of your post actually made me sad... Exporting much stuff to you is one way to get hegemonic power, because if we would export much in the USA, we depend on you, but we don't, because the US American import of german products isn't that big to force us to go against our constitution(remember, only 10% of our exports go to America(the continent not the USA)). Here's a little economy lesson for you: If a country exports much it sells a lot of its products into other countries(like germany does), now when countries do that over a long time they tend to rely on it(though germany's grown more independed from its export into other countries in the last year because its domestic market buys more from its own products now) and so, for example if another country suddenly raises its taxes for products from the exporting country the exporting country gets in trouble because it suddenly gets less money and less money mean a lot of consequences for a country which I won't go into right now. And btw the US has a trade DEFICIT which means that you IMPORT more stuff than you EXPORT which means that you're LOSING money.
November exports of $177.8 billion and imports of $225.6 billion resulted in a goods and services deficit of $47.8 billion
(visit sociology/economy classes for more detailed and less reduced info) So the economical pressure the US can put on us is actually pretty limited right now for reasons I've stated before already (fast growing countries with a growing living standard, Brazil, China(more and more german cars there, nice market for us) India etc...) 4.
In case you're wondering, the media industry is FOR laws like SOPA, not against. I highly doubt the German entertainment industry would oppose it unless there are inhumanly strange circumstances in Germany I'm not aware of. I don't care if there's counter-lobbies because we have those here too, and they just happen to be among the world's biggest web service companies, like Google.
I said we have strong (VERY strong) media lobbies here to underline that they already TRIED to get through a SOPA-like law and they failed. And it wasn't even about pirating media directly the mainreason they gave for the public to be for the law, was because it was there to block childporn sites but it STILL didn't get through here, because we were afraid that harsher internetlaws would follow and as I said we like our internet freedom and our personality rights granted by our constitution here.
Why did the influence of the US grow, you ask? Well look, after WW2, the western half of Europe was dominated by the US, while the eastern half was dominated by the Soviet Union. Now 20 years ago, the Soviet Union collapsed, along with their hegemony in Eastern Europe. The US took advantage of the opportunity and is now heavily in eastern Europe and Balkans. We didn't just gain, we gained at the expense of our rival, Russia. We're the big dogs in Eastern Europe now. We also have a much larger grasp in the Mideast (well, IDK about now after Mubarak was overthrown), one of the most important strategic regions in the world. Our practical monopoly over world affairs following the USSRs collapse, before the last decade with the resurgence of Russia and a growing China, allowed us to significantly increase our global power and influence overall, most particularly in the Mideast and Balkans and eastern Europe. Colossal gain.
That's relatively long in the past already and germany doesn't belong to the countries of eastern europe you talked about(atleast I hope you did because otherwise I feel bad for you son). And in the last few years we actually often got heat and were criticized by the US government(not that long ago from Obama, though that was partly to distract the people in the US from your own crisis) and never really cared. I'm pretty sure that there's a reason why you haven't applied much pressure on Germany to enact a law like SOPA, because it would never work here.
And to copy your little example of speaking german in this discussion: Sechs, setzen!
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