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SoLaR[i.C]
United States2969 Posts
On January 16 2012 07:12 Perseverance wrote: 3/4 in the US are in the south... Detroit in the south = no Baltimore in the south = no St. Louis in the south = no New Orleans in the south = yes Your geography is terrible. | ||
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On January 16 2012 07:23 SoLaR[i.C] wrote: Detroit in the south = no Baltimore in the south = no St. Louis in the south = no New Orleans in the south = yes Your geography is terrible. Actually I can understand calling Baltimore and St. Louis the South. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States Missouri touches what wikipedia calls the south and puts Maryland in the South. I'd call Maryland a midatlantic state but it really depends where you're from how big you consider various regions. | ||
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jacksonlee
175 Posts
On January 16 2012 07:23 SoLaR[i.C] wrote: Detroit in the south = no Baltimore in the south = no St. Louis in the south = no New Orleans in the south = yes Your geography is terrible. im in baltimore and its considered part of the southeast | ||
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Tyrr
United States216 Posts
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gosuMalicE
Canada676 Posts
On January 16 2012 01:48 mbr2321 wrote: It's heart breaking that the list is so skewed towards Central and South america  Top 20 all south of the United States.All caused by the US war on drugs too. So many lives lost for no reason due to something that could be ended so easily, very sad. | ||
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On January 16 2012 07:33 Tyrr wrote: I'm actually interested by this study. From all accounts I've heard, Flint, Michigan is actually a more dangerous city than Detroit and last year was rated #1 in terms of danger in the United States. Has it changed that quickly or was the information I read last year incorrect? O_o It's not letting me download the original paper but it appears there's a minimum population of 250,000 for cities on the list. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On January 16 2012 07:37 gosuMalicE wrote: All caused by the US war on drugs too. So many lives lost for no reason due to something that could be ended so easily, very sad. XD. Really? There are numerous reasons why the US has screwed over South and Latin America, and drugs is near the bottom. | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On January 16 2012 07:33 Tyrr wrote: I'm actually interested by this study. From all accounts I've heard, Flint, Michigan is actually a more dangerous city than Detroit and last year was rated #1 in terms of danger in the United States. Has it changed that quickly or was the information I read last year incorrect? O_o The study is randomly missing cities without explanation, so it doesn't really matter. None of the actual most violent cities in the world are even on the list. | ||
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jacen
Austria3644 Posts
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KryptoStorm
England377 Posts
Murder rate comparison (2010): West and Central Europe = 1.2 Central America = 25 South America = 21 | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22256 Posts
On January 16 2012 01:43 CrimsonLotus wrote: 48 Baltimore United States 195 620.961 31.40 Ah, home sweet home. Edit - Skimmed through this thread, and I see some people are surprised to see Baltimore on the list. I honestly jumped to the top 20 expecting it to be around there. This is not a surprise. :-P | ||
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gosuMalicE
Canada676 Posts
On January 16 2012 07:40 aksfjh wrote: XD. Really? There are numerous reasons why the US has screwed over South and Latin America, and drugs is near the bottom. Really? what are the Mexican and Colombian drug cartels going to kill people over if there was no illegal drug trade? | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On January 16 2012 07:56 hmunkey wrote: The study is randomly missing cities without explanation, so it doesn't really matter. None of the actual most violent cities in the world are even on the list. How do you know? | ||
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Sadist
United States7290 Posts
Come at the king, you best not miss ;D Must be cool | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On January 16 2012 08:05 KryptoStorm wrote: Wow. Murder rate comparison (2010): West and Central Europe = 1.2 Central America = 25 South America = 21 I'd be interested to see what the murder rates are like if you remove all criminals from the stats though. A great deal (if not the vast majority) of murders are members of one criminal organization killing those of another, so while the rate may be high, the risk is low. EDIT: This isn't a problem I have with the study so stop quoting it. It's simply an indication of an interesting piece of information I would like to see since it adds a new dimension of personal relevance. If Juarez had 10000 homicides for example, but 9990 were within drug gangs, that means only 10 are ones that I as a non-criminal would have to worry about. That's it, this isn't a flaw in the study. The problem with the study is that it disregards many more significant causes of violence. | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
Where is Mogadishu? Tripoli? Damascus? What about most of Iraq? 51 people just died in Iraq two days ago. Around that many died a week ago. 5000 have died in Damascus in the last few months, along with 100s and 100s in Tripoli. Mogadishu is basically a warzone with a government that has control over only a few city blocks. Sanaa, Karachi, Nairobi, Abidjan, etc. are all missing. I could go on and on, but really it should be quite apparent that the study has huge holes if it says St. Louis, Missouri is more violent than Baghdad. It seems like they're only counting drug related homicides or something and even then only from official government figures (of course only more stable and effective governments would have accurate figures, and it turns out the most violent places are oftentimes lacking this). If they're doing this though, they're completely ignoring mass murder, terrorism, war, etc., all of which qualify as pretty significant sources of violence. | ||
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Exempt.
United States470 Posts
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On January 16 2012 06:55 Iceman331 wrote: St Louis being on there is kind of deceptive. There are really only 2 areas that are dangerous, and neither is an area you are likely to end up unless you're just stupid. A lot of the cities on the list has bad and good areas. If you are unlikely to end up in those areas, how come there are murders there  The point is they are not measuring how likely is outsider to get killed, just how dangerous is the cite on average for its inhabitants, and people living in those dangerous areas are also inhabitants of that city. | ||
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KryptoStorm
England377 Posts
On January 16 2012 08:14 Exempt. wrote: so does anyone have any info on which countries are the safest? im curious now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate Japan....wow. | ||
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