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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
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Nightshade_
United States549 Posts
On December 28 2011 04:09 Sithelin123 wrote: I like World War 2 cause it resulted in Company of Heroes getting made. It is one of my favorite RTS games of all time. Also, Eastern front >>>>>>> Western front in epicness, Too bad that CoH didn't have an Eastern front version  I can't tell if you're trolling or really that heartless and juveneille. People gave their lives on both fronts, both sides. Those wo didn't die were still suffering, and that war has shaped the world today. The first thing you come up with is, "i like it cuz it reslted in vidya games liek coh and codwaw and nazi zombies." while we can enjoy games based on historical events, we shouldn't like such events that resulted in the deaths of millions. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On December 28 2011 10:38 Retgery wrote: Ok new depate topic. "Best/Greatest General of the WW2" Rommell Come at me. On December 28 2011 10:40 N1ghtshade wrote: I can't tell if you're trolling or really that heartless and juveneille. People gave their lives on both fronts, both sides. Those wo didn't die were still suffering, and that war has shaped the world today. The first thing you come up with is, "i like it cuz it reslted in vidya games liek coh and codwaw and nazi zombies." while we can enjoy games based on historical events, we shouldn't like such events that resulted in the deaths of millions. He may be a douche, but don't bash CoH | ||
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crappyleft
99 Posts
Beware some parts are pretty graphic Luckily it's on youtube in full length: | ||
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Jebusrocks
Canada62 Posts
On December 28 2011 10:26 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Hitler was bad at sensing fear. The Japanese were scared shitless of the Soviets following the 1939 battles, which were terribly one-sided, and ceded for peace with no inclination to break it. I'd wager that the Japanese would have surrendered if no nukes were used once the Soviets commenced Operation August Storm and defeated the Japanese forces in China.. in 10 days. But that would mean the US would have to share Japan with the USSR, which is not something we wanted to do at all. Additionally, throughout the war, the Soviets had a substantial, fortified military force in the Far East, and given the far superior strategy, technology, and strength of the Soviets over the Japanese, any attack by the Japanese would have been suicidal. They were too fearful to try. Apparently wisdom is not the explanation, seeing as they thought they could defeat the US (or any country other than Korea/China). That is TOTAL bs, i think you have to learn more about Japanese history lol (and im korean, so i prolly hav the worst opinion of Japanese history at the time). The Soviets by no means were technologically or strategically superior to the Japanese, especially in the East, I have no idea where you got that idea.... First off... Russia had no "substantial fortified military force" in the Far East, in fact their presence in the East was completely null until the arrival of Zhukov's troops in Siberia. This was because they lost these bases in Manchuria in 1905, against the Japanese, who by this time was already superior in technologically than the Russians. Russia was the most backwards country prior to the war, and though Stalin's industrialization efforts speeded up the process, it was by no means in the same step as Germany or Japan, not even close. The Japanese hardly even knew about Khalkin Gol, it was executed mainly by the Manchurian forces, who though veteran, acted almost independent of Tokyo. In fact, the Japanese army acted almost in itself, as shown when the army invaded Manchuria,, without the approval of the government in Tokyo. Japan and the USSR only had small border skirmishes, and had a full-scale invasion of Siberia occured, Soviet forces would have been completely annihilated (their lack of infrastructure and any support from the air force), though zhukov might have held them off (he is pretty much the greatest commander of this era). | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
On December 28 2011 10:18 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: War between Germany and the USSR was inevitable. Had he not attacked, the Soviets would have in a year or two. Two bordering superpowers with very conflicting interests and politics cannot be at peace. Germany had to break the treaty, or else within 1-2 years, the Soviet Union would have finished its re-organization and solidification and would have been impregnable to Axis aggression. Pretty much this, combined with severe resource shortages. Hitler himself mentioned how easy it would be for the Red Army to invade Romania and deny Germany its largest oil source. Would have been game over almost immediately. Britain was not going anywhere after the failure of the Battle of Britain. Any attempt to weaken the Heer in favor of the Luftwaffe\Kriegsmarine to combat Britain would invite a Soviet invasion. Even if Britain were in serious trouble, it would only hasten the USA\USSR's entry into the war. Not to mention Germany never would have won a naval race with Britain so far ahead and the USA becoming more and more willing to jump in. The only choice left is to be the undisputed champion of the continent so that a logistically difficult Operation Overlord cannot succeed. To do that the USSR must be defeated; which was not possible. Allies had far more GDP, natural resources, population. They had established navies prior to the war. All Germany could hope for was a weak Soviet state\bureaucracy that rolled over and died so they could have a defensive\logistical\threat of high casualties advantage to prevent (A now necessarily much larger) Operation Overlord. That dream turned out to not be a reality and so Germany was never in a winning situation. | ||
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DoubleZee
Canada556 Posts
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
On December 28 2011 09:21 Romantic wrote: Germany was never in a strategically viable position. Not Hitler as a leader wouldn't have helped on the magnitude necessary. I wtf'd and asked myself if he has read the last few pages at all. Then I noticed his name ^^. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On December 28 2011 10:46 crappyleft wrote: I highly recommend watching the national geographic 2008 documentary about WW2: Apocalypse The Second World War, it is considered to be one of the best of its sort. Beware some parts are pretty graphic Luckily it's on youtube in full length: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&list=PLA7EE611158AEC787&v=DRSWbKaL9ws#! I'll check it out, thanks. | ||
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Nightshade_
United States549 Posts
On December 28 2011 10:40 Fruscainte wrote: Rommell Come at me. He may be a douche, but don't bash CoH Dont get me wrong I love CoH, and my brother is the muthafuckingaudemed, I just didn't like his attitude towards ww2. | ||
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Jebusrocks
Canada62 Posts
On December 28 2011 10:50 DoubleZee wrote: Just a little overview of the Battle of Britian since I watched a documentary about it not too long ago. The Nazis were dominating the BoB at the beginning. British air radar was not yet used to it's full advantage which made it nearly impossible for them to scramble fighters in time to meet the luftwaffe formations in force. What turned the tables was when the luftwaffe changed their game plan from hitting RAF targets to bombing civilian targets. They did this after a small group of British bombers hit a German city and pissed Hitler off. Hitler got the idea in his head that he could make them surrender by carpet bombing London with bombers and missiles from France. This gave the RAF enough breathing room to regroup and fully incorporate air radar in to their defense which lead to the RAF putting up much better k/d ratios, turning the battle on it's head. The RAF may have been completely destroyed if the luftwaffe had kept on the pressure on the RAF for just a few more weeks. Just another stupid mistake by Hitler that cost him the war. From what i remmeber of my wwii class, I'm almost certain Hitler decided to bomb London after Britain bombed civilian cities ( i think even Berlin), enraging Hitler; not quite sure tho, took this class in the first half of the summer semester | ||
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claash
Poland472 Posts
On December 28 2011 04:09 Sithelin123 wrote: I like World War 2 cause it resulted in Company of Heroes getting made. It is one of my favorite RTS games of all time. Also, Eastern front >>>>>>> Western front in epicness, Too bad that CoH didn't have an Eastern front version are you 12 or just dumb? | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On December 28 2011 04:22 juked wrote: Nanking Massacre was a terrible thing that has had less publicity than the holocaust. I am planning to read the book "The Rape of Nanking" which I've heard is very graphic Holy shit yea. That book is pretty damn graphic x] I read it for my IB World History IA like 4 years ago. It's really biased, but an interesting read nonetheless. | ||
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DoubleZee
Canada556 Posts
On December 28 2011 11:03 Jebusrocks wrote: From what i remmeber of my wwii class, I'm almost certain Hitler decided to bomb London after Britain bombed civilian cities ( i think even Berlin), enraging Hitler; not quite sure tho, took this class in the first half of the summer semester Yes, exactly. | ||
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Jebusrocks
Canada62 Posts
oh crap sry didnt read ur whole post u already pointed it out lol  | ||
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GodOfWar
870 Posts
Chinese and Jews were the biggest victims of modern history, totally insane to believe they have treated whole cultures like animals, but thats the way of those crazy emperors. | ||
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CrimsonLotus
Colombia1123 Posts
On December 28 2011 05:14 sermokala wrote: your prospect saying that the Japanese had 0 chance of winning is pretty silly. America was down to just the enterprise as its only carrier in the entire pacific and even then it was heavily damaged While the japan imperial navy had its 4 carriers and an abusively superior gun fleet. The japs had a god level fighter in the zero at the beginning and had every other class of air craft pegged far above the american counter parts. half-way into the war this flipped as the japs were never able to manufacture replacements or even develop new craft. The real strength of the US navy during the pacific theater was its subs who hunted and killed And that's exactly why the Japanese had 0 chance of winning... It doesn't matter if they sunk all the pacific fleet at Pearl Harbor or if they win at Midway, the ability of the US to replace those losses was far, far greater than that of Japan. The US managed to defeat the japanese while dedicating most of it's resources to the war on Europe, if Germany hadn't declared war on the US the Pacific theater would have lasted two years tops. On December 28 2011 06:00 GreEny K wrote: I disagree with some of the things in this OP. I'm not supporting Nazi Germany, but they definitely could have taken control of Britain. I don't think that's up for debate. Exactly how? The Kriegsmarine was always very inferior to the Royal Navy, and during the Battle of Britain the British made a lot more planes and suffered fewer losses: http://cz-raf.hyperlink.cz/BoB/stat.html The germans also had an inferior program for pilot training and promotion. So, they had an inferior navy and didn't have a chance to archieve air superiority. Let say the germans somehow manage to land a few divisions on Great Britain, that's great, but how do they supply them exactly? On December 28 2011 09:27 Fruscainte wrote:Like I said on the first page, there was a huge Panzer division waiting ready to go in to Normandy at 6AM on D-Day that could have effectively stopped the invasion in its tracks, or at least make it EXTREMELY hard. Yet Hitler decided to sleep in, and only he could give such an order, and they weren't sent out until 3PM. Not to overblow that moment as a "war changing" one, but I wanted to make the point -- Germany had every opportunity to win and you'd be very ignorant to think otherwise. There are literally thousands of stories like this out there where miscommunications, messups in chain of command, etc. caused a massive failure in German war efforts. The timing was also bad, as someone said on the 2nd(?) page. Some of their most powerful weapons came at the very end of the war that could have outright won it for them if they had them from the beginning. I'm sorry, but this whole idea that Germany was a massive military juggernaut that only lost because of bad leadership is simply false. The germans lost because they where way, way over their head, faced agains three other great powers while having not one really significant ally on their side. Allied to Axis GDP ratio was over 2.0 for most of the war, the Germans never had enough oil to fuel their army, and the best chance they had to get that oil, Baku, was too deep in the Soviet Union to be a reasonable objective. Also, the germans where great at the tactical aspect of the war, but their logistics left a lot to be desireed. And most of their high tech weapons were a waste, the V Rockets had a very tiny effect compared to how much they cost, the Tiger I and Tiger II tanks where way, way too expensive and unreliable to be game changers, and the Me262 came to late, in too few number and without adequate fuel and pilots to make any difference. | ||
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Nazeron
Canada1046 Posts
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Retgery
Canada1229 Posts
On December 28 2011 11:19 GodOfWar wrote: Holocaust, Nanking Massacre and Unit731 were basically the most gruesome and horrific chapters in World War 2. Chinese and Jews were the biggest victims of modern history, totally insane to believe they have treated whole cultures like animals, but thats the way of those crazy emperors. To add to that list, Crossing of the Rhine and the Russians return to Prussia. The treatment of German and Russian civilians on the Eastern front is scary to think about. | ||
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kaisen
United States601 Posts
On December 28 2011 11:19 GodOfWar wrote: Holocaust, Nanking Massacre and Unit731 were basically the most gruesome and horrific chapters in World War 2. Chinese and Jews were the biggest victims of modern history, totally insane to believe they have treated whole cultures like animals, but thats the way of those crazy emperors. And people wonder why Chinese people in general really loathe the japanese people... The japanese people and the government has guts still visiting that yakushini shrine aka War Criminal shrine. | ||
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