On December 22 2011 07:08 rapidash88 wrote: I'm guessing the movie is going to involve Gandalf and the wizards more when it comes to the Necromancer? (AKA Sauron) that would be coooolio
Sauron is a Mayar, like Gandalf
There are no *necromancers* in tolkien's world
You need to reread the books, during the events of the Hobbit, a powerful dark wizard known as The Necromancer took over the abandoned fortress of Dol Goldur in southern Mirkwood. The council of the wise later found out that it is was in fact Sauron.
On December 22 2011 07:08 rapidash88 wrote: I'm guessing the movie is going to involve Gandalf and the wizards more when it comes to the Necromancer? (AKA Sauron) that would be coooolio
Sauron is a Mayar, like Gandalf
There are no *necromancers* in tolkien's world
You need to reread the books, during the events of the Hobbit, a powerful dark wizard known as The Necromancer took over the abandoned fortress of Dol Goldur in southern Mirkwood. The council of the wise later found out that it is was in fact Sauron.
Only deads under sauron's influence are the 9 kings that are bounded to him through the rings, and they're not exactly dead they're more like immortal ghosts
realm of the dead are under valar's influence
Sauron is a corrupted Valar hand, not a wizard lol He's a spirit, like gandalf, just his master used to be morgoth before he was vanquished
edit : pretty sure sauron is still asleep when hobbit takes place
On December 22 2011 07:08 rapidash88 wrote: I'm guessing the movie is going to involve Gandalf and the wizards more when it comes to the Necromancer? (AKA Sauron) that would be coooolio
Sauron is a Mayar, like Gandalf
There are no *necromancers* in tolkien's world
You need to reread the books, during the events of the Hobbit, a powerful dark wizard known as The Necromancer took over the abandoned fortress of Dol Goldur in southern Mirkwood. The council of the wise later found out that it is was in fact Sauron.
Only deads under sauron's influence are the 9 kings that are bounded to him through the rings, and they're not exactly dead they're more like immortal ghosts
realm of the dead are under valar's influence
Sauron is a corrupted Valar hand, not a wizard lol He's a spirit, like gandalf, just his master used to be morgoth before he was vanquished
edit : pretty sure sauron is still asleep when hobbit takes place
Sigh. No. In the Hobbit, he is called the Necromancer, and the reason Gandalf is away all the time is that he is driving him out from Dol Guldur together with the council. At least do some research before refuting the same thing twice. See for instance the Wikipedia article on Sauron under "The Necromancer of Dol Guldur".
I just remembered, the bloke who turns into a bear! Where gandalf makes them come 2 by 2, i loved that part of the book :-) i truely hope it can live up to it.
Going to re-read it again, such an awesome tale.
The dark forest and the spiders, the weeks spent in the elven castle under the ring, the dragon laying waste to the entire town and bilbo telling riddles, even the trolls at the beginning with all their mutton!
Sauron (aka the necromancer) is indeed awake during the events of the hobbit. Perhaps not fully, but enough to cast a shadow over the lands and gather forces to him. That is why the white council meets and discuss ways to drive him out.
Oh and Sauron was a Maia not a Vala. He was of the same order as the five istari that came to middle earth (saruman, gandalf, radagast, 2 blue wizards). He was corrupted by Morgoth who was a Vala (or of the same order).
On December 22 2011 07:08 rapidash88 wrote: I'm guessing the movie is going to involve Gandalf and the wizards more when it comes to the Necromancer? (AKA Sauron) that would be coooolio
Sauron is a Mayar, like Gandalf
There are no *necromancers* in tolkien's world
You need to reread the books, during the events of the Hobbit, a powerful dark wizard known as The Necromancer took over the abandoned fortress of Dol Goldur in southern Mirkwood. The council of the wise later found out that it is was in fact Sauron.
Only deads under sauron's influence are the 9 kings that are bounded to him through the rings, and they're not exactly dead they're more like immortal ghosts
realm of the dead are under valar's influence
Sauron is a corrupted Valar hand, not a wizard lol He's a spirit, like gandalf, just his master used to be morgoth before he was vanquished
edit : pretty sure sauron is still asleep when hobbit takes place
Sigh. No. In the Hobbit, he is called the Necromancer, and the reason Gandalf is away all the time is that he is driving him out from Dol Guldur together with the council. At least do some research before refuting the same thing twice. See for instance the Wikipedia article on Sauron under "The Necromancer of Dol Guldur".
you should go read the article for yourself Sauron didn't reincarn and never did that's his presence they drove out
On December 22 2011 07:32 Telcontar wrote: Sauron (aka the necromancer) is indeed awake during the events of the hobbit. Perhaps not fully, but enough to cast a shadow over the lands and gather forces to him. That is why the white council meets and discuss ways to drive him out.
Oh and Sauron was a Maia not a Vala. He was of the same order as the five istari that came to middle earth (saruman, gandalf, radagast, 2 blue wizards). He was corrupted by Morgoth who was a Vala (or of the same order).
i never said he was a valar, i said a mayar, not a maia btw
also mayars are reffered to as "valar's hand"
and no he wasn't one of the five istaris
Valar / Mayars aren't 'orders'
Valar's are the childrens of Eru and Mayars are their servants
And the istaris are a little younger than a old (albeit weak) Mayar like Sauron.
On December 22 2011 07:08 rapidash88 wrote: I'm guessing the movie is going to involve Gandalf and the wizards more when it comes to the Necromancer? (AKA Sauron) that would be coooolio
Sauron is a Mayar, like Gandalf
There are no *necromancers* in tolkien's world
You need to reread the books, during the events of the Hobbit, a powerful dark wizard known as The Necromancer took over the abandoned fortress of Dol Goldur in southern Mirkwood. The council of the wise later found out that it is was in fact Sauron.
Only deads under sauron's influence are the 9 kings that are bounded to him through the rings, and they're not exactly dead they're more like immortal ghosts
realm of the dead are under valar's influence
Sauron is a corrupted Valar hand, not a wizard lol He's a spirit, like gandalf, just his master used to be morgoth before he was vanquished
edit : pretty sure sauron is still asleep when hobbit takes place
Sigh. No. In the Hobbit, he is called the Necromancer, and the reason Gandalf is away all the time is that he is driving him out from Dol Guldur together with the council. At least do some research before refuting the same thing twice. See for instance the Wikipedia article on Sauron under "The Necromancer of Dol Guldur".
you should go read the article for yourself Sauron didn't reincarn and never did until the end of lotr that's his presence they drove out
On December 22 2011 07:08 rapidash88 wrote: I'm guessing the movie is going to involve Gandalf and the wizards more when it comes to the Necromancer? (AKA Sauron) that would be coooolio
Sauron is a Mayar, like Gandalf
There are no *necromancers* in tolkien's world
You need to reread the books, during the events of the Hobbit, a powerful dark wizard known as The Necromancer took over the abandoned fortress of Dol Goldur in southern Mirkwood. The council of the wise later found out that it is was in fact Sauron.
Only deads under sauron's influence are the 9 kings that are bounded to him through the rings, and they're not exactly dead they're more like immortal ghosts
realm of the dead are under valar's influence
Sauron is a corrupted Valar hand, not a wizard lol He's a spirit, like gandalf, just his master used to be morgoth before he was vanquished
edit : pretty sure sauron is still asleep when hobbit takes place
Sigh. No. In the Hobbit, he is called the Necromancer, and the reason Gandalf is away all the time is that he is driving him out from Dol Guldur together with the council. At least do some research before refuting the same thing twice. See for instance the Wikipedia article on Sauron under "The Necromancer of Dol Guldur".
you should go read the article for yourself Sauron didn't reincarn and never did until the end of lotr that's his presence they drove out
it's different
It was still Sauron...
no it's different, its the will, not Sauron as in the 2nd age war
When news of the Hobbit movie first came out, I was so worried it would be really bad. But now every teaser and trailer I have seen just makes me more and more excited. I feel like a little kid on christmas eve :D
On December 22 2011 07:08 rapidash88 wrote: I'm guessing the movie is going to involve Gandalf and the wizards more when it comes to the Necromancer? (AKA Sauron) that would be coooolio
Sauron is a Mayar, like Gandalf
There are no *necromancers* in tolkien's world
You need to reread the books, during the events of the Hobbit, a powerful dark wizard known as The Necromancer took over the abandoned fortress of Dol Goldur in southern Mirkwood. The council of the wise later found out that it is was in fact Sauron.
Only deads under sauron's influence are the 9 kings that are bounded to him through the rings, and they're not exactly dead they're more like immortal ghosts
realm of the dead are under valar's influence
Sauron is a corrupted Valar hand, not a wizard lol He's a spirit, like gandalf, just his master used to be morgoth before he was vanquished
edit : pretty sure sauron is still asleep when hobbit takes place
Sigh. No. In the Hobbit, he is called the Necromancer, and the reason Gandalf is away all the time is that he is driving him out from Dol Guldur together with the council. At least do some research before refuting the same thing twice. See for instance the Wikipedia article on Sauron under "The Necromancer of Dol Guldur".
you should go read the article for yourself Sauron didn't reincarn and never did until the end of lotr that's his presence they drove out
it's different
It was still Sauron...
no it's different, its the will, not Sauron as in the 2nd age war
But it was still Sauron. He did not have the same form, but it was him. Anyway, the point was that the Necromancer was indeed a character in that world, and it was a form of Sauron whatever you want to call it.
On December 22 2011 07:08 rapidash88 wrote: I'm guessing the movie is going to involve Gandalf and the wizards more when it comes to the Necromancer? (AKA Sauron) that would be coooolio
Sauron is a Mayar, like Gandalf
There are no *necromancers* in tolkien's world
You need to reread the books, during the events of the Hobbit, a powerful dark wizard known as The Necromancer took over the abandoned fortress of Dol Goldur in southern Mirkwood. The council of the wise later found out that it is was in fact Sauron.
Only deads under sauron's influence are the 9 kings that are bounded to him through the rings, and they're not exactly dead they're more like immortal ghosts
realm of the dead are under valar's influence
Sauron is a corrupted Valar hand, not a wizard lol He's a spirit, like gandalf, just his master used to be morgoth before he was vanquished
edit : pretty sure sauron is still asleep when hobbit takes place
Sigh. No. In the Hobbit, he is called the Necromancer, and the reason Gandalf is away all the time is that he is driving him out from Dol Guldur together with the council. At least do some research before refuting the same thing twice. See for instance the Wikipedia article on Sauron under "The Necromancer of Dol Guldur".
you should go read the article for yourself Sauron didn't reincarn and never did until the end of lotr that's his presence they drove out
it's different
It was still Sauron...
no it's different, its the will, not Sauron as in the 2nd age war
But it was still Sauron. He did not have the same form, but it was him.
Bah forget it.. there's a big difference
edit : he didn't have a "form" that's the whole point, and thus, that's not "him", but only "his will" it's a pretty big distinction in middle earth's history / lore
On December 22 2011 07:08 rapidash88 wrote: I'm guessing the movie is going to involve Gandalf and the wizards more when it comes to the Necromancer? (AKA Sauron) that would be coooolio
Sauron is a Mayar, like Gandalf
There are no *necromancers* in tolkien's world
You need to reread the books, during the events of the Hobbit, a powerful dark wizard known as The Necromancer took over the abandoned fortress of Dol Goldur in southern Mirkwood. The council of the wise later found out that it is was in fact Sauron.
Only deads under sauron's influence are the 9 kings that are bounded to him through the rings, and they're not exactly dead they're more like immortal ghosts
realm of the dead are under valar's influence
Sauron is a corrupted Valar hand, not a wizard lol He's a spirit, like gandalf, just his master used to be morgoth before he was vanquished
edit : pretty sure sauron is still asleep when hobbit takes place
Sigh. No. In the Hobbit, he is called the Necromancer, and the reason Gandalf is away all the time is that he is driving him out from Dol Guldur together with the council. At least do some research before refuting the same thing twice. See for instance the Wikipedia article on Sauron under "The Necromancer of Dol Guldur".
you should go read the article for yourself Sauron didn't reincarn and never did until the end of lotr that's his presence they drove out
it's different
It was still Sauron...
no it's different, its the will, not Sauron as in the 2nd age war
But it was still Sauron. He did not have the same form, but it was him.
Bah forget it.. there's a big difference
This is like arguing whether Gandalf the Grey is the same being as Gandalf the White.
The form is not what makes Sauron, Sauron. It's the spirit, his essence. That remains the same (albeit severely diminished without the ring).
You need to reread the books, during the events of the Hobbit, a powerful dark wizard known as The Necromancer took over the abandoned fortress of Dol Goldur in southern Mirkwood. The council of the wise later found out that it is was in fact Sauron.
Only deads under sauron's influence are the 9 kings that are bounded to him through the rings, and they're not exactly dead they're more like immortal ghosts
realm of the dead are under valar's influence
Sauron is a corrupted Valar hand, not a wizard lol He's a spirit, like gandalf, just his master used to be morgoth before he was vanquished
edit : pretty sure sauron is still asleep when hobbit takes place
Sigh. No. In the Hobbit, he is called the Necromancer, and the reason Gandalf is away all the time is that he is driving him out from Dol Guldur together with the council. At least do some research before refuting the same thing twice. See for instance the Wikipedia article on Sauron under "The Necromancer of Dol Guldur".
you should go read the article for yourself Sauron didn't reincarn and never did until the end of lotr that's his presence they drove out
it's different
It was still Sauron...
no it's different, its the will, not Sauron as in the 2nd age war
But it was still Sauron. He did not have the same form, but it was him.
Bah forget it.. there's a big difference
This is like arguing whether Gandalf the Grey is the same being as Gandalf the White.
Gandalf the grey is different than gandalf the white, as he is turned into the head of the istaris upon being resent to the middle earth after saruman's failure
gandalf the white is closer to beeing saruman the white than gandalf the grey
On December 22 2011 03:51 SoLaR[i.C] wrote: I was really hoping to catch a glimpse of Smaug. I suppose that would've been too much of a spoiler though.
Does anybody else love the animated version that was done in 1977? Remember this song?
Of course!!!! 15 birds.... in 5 fir trees.... there feathers were burned... in the fiery breeze... what funny little birds... they had no wings... oh what shall we do... with the funny little things...
Or "Dirty the dishes and crack the plates, that's what Bilbo Baggins hates!"
I actually own the VHS of it and I think the DVD too lol
The trailer gave me chills! Can't wait for the movies.
On December 22 2011 07:32 Telcontar wrote: Sauron (aka the necromancer) is indeed awake during the events of the hobbit. Perhaps not fully, but enough to cast a shadow over the lands and gather forces to him. That is why the white council meets and discuss ways to drive him out.
Oh and Sauron was a Maia not a Vala. He was of the same order as the five istari that came to middle earth (saruman, gandalf, radagast, 2 blue wizards). He was corrupted by Morgoth who was a Vala (or of the same order).
they actually drive him out of Mirkwood during the events of The Hobbit. And iirc, they said they will find a way to somehow show it in the movie. That would be really amazing!!!
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