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Guys... I have a confession to make. I can only visualise heights of people in feet and inches  (
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A mix. I find standard easier to use mentally for measurements like temperature, general distances (and height), and weight, but if I'm doing any kind of in-depth comparisons I use metric. Growing up with standard basically made it simpler to use in offhand situations.
The weird thing is in the US, a lot of things are in metric and others are in standard. Milk is sold by the gallon but soda is sold by the liter.
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On December 10 2011 06:41 Skilledblob wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 06:22 Pleiades wrote:
Both of those measurement systems are based off on things relative to us on Earth. I wonder what would Aliens would say if they came here. For example, we must of based a meter on something that distance or a liter to how much liquid in a container.
We base one Calorie to the amount of energy needed to raise the tempurature of one kilogram of water by one degree celsius, but then you have to ask where did we get the amount to measure one gram or one degree celsius. We had to base those things on something too.
In the end it just become preference to me. the metric system is not based off of something relative. One meter is 1/10000000 of the distance between the equator and the north pole. One gram is the weight of one cm³ of water in standard enviroment one cm³ of water is one milliliter 1000 Liters are one m³ one degree celsius is 1/100 of the temperature difference between water boiling point and its freezing point in a standard enviroment.
So it's relative to the distance between the equator and the north pole. And relative to the boiling point of water.
Hey, look at that, it is relative.
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for europeans like me this thread seems so absurd. why would one ever use an unnecessarily complicated system like inches... or even worse fahrenheit ° instead of celsius. 0° fahrenheit is the estimated coldest temperature of the creators hometown WTF. what kind of science is that XD
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On December 10 2011 06:44 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 06:41 Skilledblob wrote:On December 10 2011 06:22 Pleiades wrote:
Both of those measurement systems are based off on things relative to us on Earth. I wonder what would Aliens would say if they came here. For example, we must of based a meter on something that distance or a liter to how much liquid in a container.
We base one Calorie to the amount of energy needed to raise the tempurature of one kilogram of water by one degree celsius, but then you have to ask where did we get the amount to measure one gram or one degree celsius. We had to base those things on something too.
In the end it just become preference to me. the metric system is not based off of something relative. One meter is 1/10000000 of the distance between the equator and the north pole. One gram is the weight of one cm³ of water in standard enviroment one cm³ of water is one milliliter 1000 Liters are one m³ one degree celsius is 1/100 of the temperature difference between water boiling point and its freezing point in a standard enviroment. So it's relative to the distance between the equator and the north pole. And relative to the boiling point of water. Hey, look at that, it is relative.
I was trying to figure out if the guy was just trolling.
I'm still unsure.
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As a college student it perplexes me that we haven't switched from standard to metric. To be honest its like learning another language to a certain extent....
foot= 12inches
Meter= 1000milimeters
WTF?
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On December 10 2011 06:45 isleyofthenorth wrote:
for europeans like me this thread seems so absurd. why would one ever use an unnecessarily complicated system like inches... or even worse fahrenheit ° instead of celsius. 0° fahrenheit is the estimated coldest temperature of the creators hometown WTF. what kind of science is that XD
The case can easily be made that Celsius is actually worse than Fahrenheit though, at least for casual usage. Celsius is poorly scaled for the temperature range people encounter on a daily basis. That said, Fahrenheit was arbitrarily chosen so even if it is superior in that regard it's not really justified.
Really though, both F and C are stupid measurements of temperature. Kelvin is logically the only one that should make sense. Why is the coldest temperature -273 C or -460 F? Neither system really makes sense.
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On December 10 2011 06:46 davidohx wrote:
As a college student it perplexes me that we haven't switched from standard to metric. To be honest its like learning another language to a certain extent....
foot= 12inches
Meter= 1000milimeters
WTF?
You're in college and you use standard units? Your major must not be scientific at all, so it wouldn't really matter.
In science programs (and engineering, etc.) where people use measurements often, metric is pretty much the norm. Standard is only better for estimating because it's the first system most people learned.
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you don't go to the store to buy 400ml or drink because you don't live somewhere that uses metric. ie: everywhere except the USA
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Soooo anyone use metric time?
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On December 10 2011 06:48 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 06:45 isleyofthenorth wrote:
for europeans like me this thread seems so absurd. why would one ever use an unnecessarily complicated system like inches... or even worse fahrenheit ° instead of celsius. 0° fahrenheit is the estimated coldest temperature of the creators hometown WTF. what kind of science is that XD The case can easily be made that Celsius is actually worse than Fahrenheit though, at least for casual usage. Celsius is poorly scaled for the temperature range people encounter on a daily basis. That said, Fahrenheit was arbitrarily chosen so even if it is superior in that regard it's not really justified. Really though, both F and C are stupid measurements of temperature. Kelvin is logically the only one that should make sense. Why is the coldest temperature -273 C or -460 F? Neither system really makes sense.
I use the SI system. It has its small advantages over metric and empirical. But I'm not going to pretend like this is an important issue, it's just an excuse for people to be ethnocentric
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On December 10 2011 06:44 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 06:41 Skilledblob wrote:On December 10 2011 06:22 Pleiades wrote:
Both of those measurement systems are based off on things relative to us on Earth. I wonder what would Aliens would say if they came here. For example, we must of based a meter on something that distance or a liter to how much liquid in a container.
We base one Calorie to the amount of energy needed to raise the tempurature of one kilogram of water by one degree celsius, but then you have to ask where did we get the amount to measure one gram or one degree celsius. We had to base those things on something too.
In the end it just become preference to me. the metric system is not based off of something relative. One meter is 1/10000000 of the distance between the equator and the north pole. One gram is the weight of one cm³ of water in standard enviroment one cm³ of water is one milliliter 1000 Liters are one m³ one degree celsius is 1/100 of the temperature difference between water boiling point and its freezing point in a standard enviroment. So it's relative to the distance between the equator and the north pole. And relative to the boiling point of water. Hey, look at that, it is relative.
please tell me how the distance between the north pole and the equator can be relative. And please dont tell me that the northpole moves because that doesnt matter. The measurement was made once and is set after that.
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On December 10 2011 06:52 Skilledblob wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 06:44 Chargelot wrote:On December 10 2011 06:41 Skilledblob wrote:On December 10 2011 06:22 Pleiades wrote:
Both of those measurement systems are based off on things relative to us on Earth. I wonder what would Aliens would say if they came here. For example, we must of based a meter on something that distance or a liter to how much liquid in a container.
We base one Calorie to the amount of energy needed to raise the tempurature of one kilogram of water by one degree celsius, but then you have to ask where did we get the amount to measure one gram or one degree celsius. We had to base those things on something too.
In the end it just become preference to me. the metric system is not based off of something relative. One meter is 1/10000000 of the distance between the equator and the north pole. One gram is the weight of one cm³ of water in standard enviroment one cm³ of water is one milliliter 1000 Liters are one m³ one degree celsius is 1/100 of the temperature difference between water boiling point and its freezing point in a standard enviroment. So it's relative to the distance between the equator and the north pole. And relative to the boiling point of water. Hey, look at that, it is relative. please tell me how the distance between the north pole and the equator can be relative.
What he said originally was:
"Both of those measurement systems are based off on things relative to us on Earth."
How much more relative does that get? I don't think aliens would come to earth and say, "Ah this is a most superior system of measurement because it is not relative and also applies to natives of our home planet!" What you said was, "It is not relative to us earthlings, it is based off of the size of the earth." Hmmm.....
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On December 10 2011 06:48 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 06:45 isleyofthenorth wrote:
for europeans like me this thread seems so absurd. why would one ever use an unnecessarily complicated system like inches... or even worse fahrenheit ° instead of celsius. 0° fahrenheit is the estimated coldest temperature of the creators hometown WTF. what kind of science is that XD The case can easily be made that Celsius is actually worse than Fahrenheit though, at least for casual usage.
it cant be made. you know celsius isnt kelvin right? for example 0° is when water freezes .cant get more practical for daily life than that...
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On December 10 2011 06:52 Skilledblob wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 06:44 Chargelot wrote:On December 10 2011 06:41 Skilledblob wrote:On December 10 2011 06:22 Pleiades wrote:
Both of those measurement systems are based off on things relative to us on Earth. I wonder what would Aliens would say if they came here. For example, we must of based a meter on something that distance or a liter to how much liquid in a container.
We base one Calorie to the amount of energy needed to raise the tempurature of one kilogram of water by one degree celsius, but then you have to ask where did we get the amount to measure one gram or one degree celsius. We had to base those things on something too.
In the end it just become preference to me. the metric system is not based off of something relative. One meter is 1/10000000 of the distance between the equator and the north pole. One gram is the weight of one cm³ of water in standard enviroment one cm³ of water is one milliliter 1000 Liters are one m³ one degree celsius is 1/100 of the temperature difference between water boiling point and its freezing point in a standard enviroment. So it's relative to the distance between the equator and the north pole. And relative to the boiling point of water. Hey, look at that, it is relative. well you probably never had any higher chemistry or physics education or you wouldnt write this. If you dont know the concept of standard enviroment then I cant help you either. And please tell me how the distance between the north pole and the equator can be relative.
The Celsius scale is based on the phase equilibriums of water.
Relative: Considered in relation or in proportion to something else
Same thing for meter. Same thing for all measurements of all kinds.
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Not really about metric vs standard but somewhat related:
It always baffles me how americans call a thousand million a billion and a billion, trillion. I also cringe when people get it wrong here in Chile and just translate billions as "billones" when talking about national debts or other economic related things in spanish, when they should say "miles de millones" instead. It's really a huge mistake.
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On December 10 2011 06:56 Fontong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 06:52 Skilledblob wrote:On December 10 2011 06:44 Chargelot wrote:On December 10 2011 06:41 Skilledblob wrote:On December 10 2011 06:22 Pleiades wrote:
Both of those measurement systems are based off on things relative to us on Earth. I wonder what would Aliens would say if they came here. For example, we must of based a meter on something that distance or a liter to how much liquid in a container.
We base one Calorie to the amount of energy needed to raise the tempurature of one kilogram of water by one degree celsius, but then you have to ask where did we get the amount to measure one gram or one degree celsius. We had to base those things on something too.
In the end it just become preference to me. the metric system is not based off of something relative. One meter is 1/10000000 of the distance between the equator and the north pole. One gram is the weight of one cm³ of water in standard enviroment one cm³ of water is one milliliter 1000 Liters are one m³ one degree celsius is 1/100 of the temperature difference between water boiling point and its freezing point in a standard enviroment. So it's relative to the distance between the equator and the north pole. And relative to the boiling point of water. Hey, look at that, it is relative. please tell me how the distance between the north pole and the equator can be relative. What he said originally was: "Both of those measurement systems are based off on things relative to us on Earth." How much more relative does that get? I don't think aliens would come to earth and say, "Ah this is a most superior system of measurement because it is not relative and also applies to natives of our home planet!" What you said was, "It is not relative to us earthlings, it is based off of the size of the earth." Hmmm.....
These things are all defined on more universal levels than you give scientists credit for. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gram"the absolute weight of a volume of pure water equal to the cube of the hundredth part of a metre, and at the temperature of melting ice" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metre
"it is defined as the length of the path travelled by light in vacuum in 1⁄299,792,458 of a second."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second"the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom."
This is the revised definition of the meter, more universal and not so "relative".
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On December 10 2011 06:59 Imhotep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 06:56 Fontong wrote:On December 10 2011 06:52 Skilledblob wrote:On December 10 2011 06:44 Chargelot wrote:On December 10 2011 06:41 Skilledblob wrote:On December 10 2011 06:22 Pleiades wrote:
Both of those measurement systems are based off on things relative to us on Earth. I wonder what would Aliens would say if they came here. For example, we must of based a meter on something that distance or a liter to how much liquid in a container.
We base one Calorie to the amount of energy needed to raise the tempurature of one kilogram of water by one degree celsius, but then you have to ask where did we get the amount to measure one gram or one degree celsius. We had to base those things on something too.
In the end it just become preference to me. the metric system is not based off of something relative. One meter is 1/10000000 of the distance between the equator and the north pole. One gram is the weight of one cm³ of water in standard enviroment one cm³ of water is one milliliter 1000 Liters are one m³ one degree celsius is 1/100 of the temperature difference between water boiling point and its freezing point in a standard enviroment. So it's relative to the distance between the equator and the north pole. And relative to the boiling point of water. Hey, look at that, it is relative. please tell me how the distance between the north pole and the equator can be relative. What he said originally was: "Both of those measurement systems are based off on things relative to us on Earth." How much more relative does that get? I don't think aliens would come to earth and say, "Ah this is a most superior system of measurement because it is not relative and also applies to natives of our home planet!" What you said was, "It is not relative to us earthlings, it is based off of the size of the earth." Hmmm..... Show nested quote +These things are all defined on more universal levels than you give scientists credit for. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gram"the absolute weight of a volume of pure water equal to the cube of the hundredth part of a metre, and at the temperature of melting ice" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metre
"it is defined as the length of the path travelled by light in vacuum in 1⁄299,792,458 of a second."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second"the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom." This is the revised definition of the meter, more universal and not so "relative".
It's relative to the speed of light.
Or more precisely, the distance traveled by light in a second.
If you can't explain it without a comparison of size, distance, speed, shape, etc, it's relative. It is considered in relation to an object's X. A meter is proportionate to the distance light travels in 1 second, and therefore it is relative to this distance. You use the term universal like you've asked everyone in the universe and they agreed.
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Metric is so easy to understand, while "Imperial" is a pain in the ass.
I really fail to understand why some countries even bother with imperial system.
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On December 10 2011 06:59 Imhotep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 06:56 Fontong wrote:On December 10 2011 06:52 Skilledblob wrote:On December 10 2011 06:44 Chargelot wrote:On December 10 2011 06:41 Skilledblob wrote:On December 10 2011 06:22 Pleiades wrote:
Both of those measurement systems are based off on things relative to us on Earth. I wonder what would Aliens would say if they came here. For example, we must of based a meter on something that distance or a liter to how much liquid in a container.
We base one Calorie to the amount of energy needed to raise the tempurature of one kilogram of water by one degree celsius, but then you have to ask where did we get the amount to measure one gram or one degree celsius. We had to base those things on something too.
In the end it just become preference to me. the metric system is not based off of something relative. One meter is 1/10000000 of the distance between the equator and the north pole. One gram is the weight of one cm³ of water in standard enviroment one cm³ of water is one milliliter 1000 Liters are one m³ one degree celsius is 1/100 of the temperature difference between water boiling point and its freezing point in a standard enviroment. So it's relative to the distance between the equator and the north pole. And relative to the boiling point of water. Hey, look at that, it is relative. please tell me how the distance between the north pole and the equator can be relative. What he said originally was: "Both of those measurement systems are based off on things relative to us on Earth." How much more relative does that get? I don't think aliens would come to earth and say, "Ah this is a most superior system of measurement because it is not relative and also applies to natives of our home planet!" What you said was, "It is not relative to us earthlings, it is based off of the size of the earth." Hmmm..... Show nested quote +These things are all defined on more universal levels than you give scientists credit for. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gram"the absolute weight of a volume of pure water equal to the cube of the hundredth part of a metre, and at the temperature of melting ice" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metre
"it is defined as the length of the path travelled by light in vacuum in 1⁄299,792,458 of a second."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second"the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom." This is the revised definition of the meter, more universal and not so "relative".
It's still relative and isn't universal. Even though they were revised to be based off of natural phenomena, of which I was already aware, they are based off of divisions of those phenomena designed to match the previous values of the system of measurement.
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