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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:02 mordk wrote: Metric is so easy to understand, while "Imperial" is a pain in the ass. I really fail to understand why some countries even bother with imperial system. Same reason our time is not metric? | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
He meant that we have been using the system of time for a long while and there is not enough incentive to change, the same reason the USA has not changed to the metric system. | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:07 Fontong wrote: He meant that we have been using the system of time for a long while and there is not enough incentive to change, the same reason the USA has not changed to the metric system. I use metric 100% and I hate our time system. I would like it: 365 days/year 10 hours/day 100 minutes/hour 100 seconds/minute etc... | ||
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chenchen
United States1136 Posts
Metric is infinitely better than "imperial", but it is still relative to many aspects of human existence, as in, an alien civilization would not come up with it. The second comes from Earth's orbit around the sun. The kilogram is based on a standard blob of metal. The meter is currently defined relative to the second. Not to mention, humans have ten fingers. Great for base ten math. | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:07 Fontong wrote: He meant that we have been using the system of time for a long while and there is not enough incentive to change, the same reason the USA has not changed to the metric system. Yep, exactly. At this point, so many people are used to imperial measurements that a switch would be incredibly confusing. Hell, I use metric every single day because of work and school yet I still find imperial measurements to be superior when it comes to estimation. I know what a 6 foot tall person looks like without thinking. I know what 80F weather feels like without checking. If I'm supposed to be driving at 60 mph, I innately know what it should look like and can tell if I'm speeding. The same applies to pretty much everyone in imperial countries, so it's a much bigger pain in the ass to switch. Using both is just easier. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:12 XsebT wrote: I use metric 100% and I hate our time system. I would like it: 365 days/year 10 hours/day 100 minutes/hour 100 seconds/minute etc... 12 is so much more divisible though you can divide 12 by 1 2 3 4 6 and 12 you can only divide 10 by 1 2 5 and 10 12 is sexy compared to your 10 | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:12 XsebT wrote: I use metric 100% and I hate our time system. I would like it: 365 days/year 10 hours/day 100 minutes/hour 100 seconds/minute etc... Second Decasecond Hectosecond Kilosecond Megasecond We'd go from 16.7 minutes to 11.6 days in one scale increase. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:13 chenchen wrote: Why are people trying to argue that metric is more universal? Metric is infinitely better than "imperial", but it is still relative to many aspects of human existence, as in, an alien civilization would not come up with it. The second comes from Earth's orbit around the sun. The kilogram is based on a standard blob of metal. The meter is currently defined relative to the second. Not to mention, humans have ten fingers. Great for base ten math. NO IT DOESN'T. The length scale is defined by the speed of light in a vacuum which is a UNIVERSAL CONSTANT. The time scale is defined by the period of a photon connecting two energy levels in the ground state of a Cesium atom which is a UNIVERSAL CONSTANT. The mass scale is going to be redefined so that it is based on the Planck constant a UNIVERSAL CONSTANT. Stop spouting nonsense, you are contributing to the ignorance present in the world. If you do not know what you are talking about, then just say nothing. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:21 kingjames01 wrote: NO IT DOESN'T. The length scale is defined by the speed of light in a vacuum which is a UNIVERSAL CONSTANT. The time scale is defined by the period of a photon connecting two energy levels in the ground state of a Cesium atom which is a UNIVERSAL CONSTANT. The mass scale is going to be redefined so that it is based on the Planck constant a UNIVERSAL CONSTANT. Stop spouting nonsense, you are contributing to the ignorance present in the world. If you do not know what you are talking about, then just say nothing. And all are relative to the believed universal constants. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:12 XsebT wrote: I use metric 100% and I hate our time system. I would like it: 365 days/year 10 hours/day 100 minutes/hour 100 seconds/minute etc... IIRC, time measurement is based upon astronomical principles, at least for days. I don't know the explanations for hours/minutes/seconds (though iirc they are also astronomically-related), but I'm sure they're a lot more reasonable than why we in the US don't use metric  . As an engineering student, I'm basically being told: "Yeah, metric and SI are 100x better, and as a result it's used almost exclusively in science and engineering even in the US, but otherwise, you still have to use the Imperial system because regular society and govt. seems to be scared to switch to metric." I just have to question why. ( Why? ( It's just one of those things that just make so much more sense, that I have no idea why it's not being used. | ||
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FeUerFlieGe
United States1193 Posts
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:23 Chargelot wrote: And all are relative to the believed universal constants. What do you mean by that? Are you saying that you don't believe them to be universal constants? | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:21 kingjames01 wrote: NO IT DOESN'T. The length scale is defined by the speed of light in a vacuum which is a UNIVERSAL CONSTANT. The time scale is defined by the period of a photon connecting two energy levels in the ground state of a Cesium atom which is a UNIVERSAL CONSTANT. The mass scale is going to be redefined so that it is based on the Planck constant a UNIVERSAL CONSTANT. Stop spouting nonsense, you are contributing to the ignorance present in the world. If you do not know what you are talking about, then just say nothing. so if we redefine a foot to be 1/xxx,xxx,xxx distance that the speed of light travels in a second it becomes more universal? | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:24 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: IIRC, time measurement is based upon astronomical principles, at least for days. I don't know the explanations for hours/minutes/seconds (though iirc they are also astronomically-related), but I'm sure they're a lot more reasonable than why we in the US don't use metric . As an engineering student, I'm basically being told: "Yeah, metric and SI are 100x better, and as a result it's used almost exclusively in science and engineering even in the US, but otherwise, you still have to use the Imperial system because regular society and govt. seems to be scared to switch to metric." I just have to question why. ( Why? ( It's just one of those things that just make so much more sense, that I have no idea why it's not being used.The only astronomical principle is the one I didn't change... Days... 1 year for a trip around the sun, where it rises on the earth 365 times because of the earth's rotation around its own axis. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:25 kingjames01 wrote: What do you mean by that? Are you saying that you don't believe them to be universal constants? First off, show me light in a vacuum everywhere in the universe, and I'll call it a universal constant. Til then, lets stick with theoretical universal constants. But that's not at all what I said. The distance light moves in 1/293,xxx,xxx seconds may be constant, in the sense that it doesn't change, but the METER is RELATIVE to THIS DISTANCE, and THE SPEED OF LIGHT. It is a human created bit of information which is, in a sense, completely arbitrary. If I defined a gigamile to be the distance light travels in 10 minutes, does that make it a nonrelative term? No. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:29 BlackJack wrote: so if we redefine a foot to be 1/xxx,xxx,xxx distance that the speed of light travels in a second it becomes more universal? Of course it does! If you define a constant in terms of a universal constant then by definition it is more universal. I don't even understand what you're trying to say. If you're trying to say that it's not more useful, then yes, it's not more useful, but it would become more universal. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:29 Chargelot wrote: First off, show me light in a vacuum everywhere in the universe, and I'll call it a universal constant. Til then, lets stick with theoretical universal constants. But that's not at all what I said. The distance light moves in 1/293,xxx,xxx seconds may be constant, in the sense that it doesn't change, but the METER is RELATIVE to THIS DISTANCE, and THE SPEED OF LIGHT. It is a human created bit of information which is, in a sense, completely arbitrary. The speed of light is not a human construct. It would still move the same speed whether we were here to observe it or not. What are you saying??? | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:31 kingjames01 wrote: Of course it does! If you define a constant in terms of a universal constant then by definition it is more universal. I don't even understand what you're trying to say. If you're trying to say that it's not more useful, then yes, it's not more useful, but it would become more universal. No, it does not become more universal. A foot will still be the arbitrary length designated a foot. Same with the meter. It does not matter if their lengths are made relative to constants instead because they were defined by those constants well after creation. A more universal system of measurement would use constants to define itself from the ground up. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:32 kingjames01 wrote: The speed of light is not a human construct. It would still move the same speed whether we were here to observe it or not. What are you saying??? The speed of light is an assumed constant, but again, that wasn't my point at all. | ||
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