On November 22 2011 09:32 HTODethklok wrote: Are the police really that threatened by students sitting peacefully on the ground? This is another example of how police are using far too much force to achieve their goals. Why didn't they just handcuff or zip tie the students who refused to move? I've seen plenty of episodes of cops where an officer tackles a crack head hand cuffs them and throws them in the back of their squad car without using tasers or peppers pray. The students are already sitting down just push them over onto their bellies while telling them they are under arrest and hand cuff them if they resist after that then use pepper spray or another non lethal device but you can't skip the part where you try to detain the students in a reasonable manner and jump straight to causing peaceful protesters harm. Those officers are nothing more than bully's with authority.
I don't understand why people are advocating that the police use physical force. That's guaranteed to rile up the crowd and leads to a high chance of altercation if the person in any way fights back. You honestly think pushing them to the ground and arresting them will look better?
They had to use physical force after the pepper spraying to arrest the protesters anyways it's not as though the protesters just hand cuffed themselves after being pepper sprayed. I'm arguing they could skip the pepper spraying step and go straight to arresting people they shouldn't automaticlly assume the protesters will turn violent when they try to arrest them. The police are clearly abusing their power in this instance. No one can argue that being pushed to the ground while sitting so that the police can hand cuff you is more violent than being pepper sprayed the shoved to the ground and possibly beaten.
Seriously guys i could only read 2 pages of comments and im already filled with anger NOBODY who isnt threatening someone should EVER be done that to. Part of being a citizien is the right to remain unharmed by anyone ALSO THE POLICE as long as you dont thread anyone. And as i have read a lot of interviews etc. about this i cannot see how they threatened anyone. Its even arguable wheter or wheter not they have been doing anything that was against the law because at that point in time they were no longer camping. to make this clear i just lost a lot of respect for some of you guys.... also have been reading a lot on tl since sc2 came out but never made an account just made one to say that some of you should read a book about democracy or about what a government is there for. (Spoiler: its not for attacking people demonstrating peacefully)
look at how peaceful TL is under the harsh and sometimes unfairly quick actions of the moderators
maybe we need to use these measures more in real life for better results
TL mods are the cops giving explicit orders to stop obstructing the sidewalk the trolls are the armlocked students sitting on the ground the banhammer is the pepper spray
On November 23 2011 00:00 PrideNeverDie wrote: look at how peaceful TL is under the harsh and sometimes unfairly quick actions of the moderators
maybe we need to use these measures more in real life for better results
TL mods are the cops giving explicit orders to stop obstructing the sidewalk the trolls are the armlocked students sitting on the ground the banhammer is the pepper spray
Yeah.. i got an even better idea. Lets set up watchtowers for our snipers, then we could just headshot everyone that speaks up. That will keep the troublemakers silent.
I agree that the use of pepper spray was extreme, but I don't think it was out of the question. People are acting like this causes permanent damage and serious injury, and if it had lead to some serious health hazard it would have become public knowledge by know. While these kids were not violently attacking the policemen, they had formed a circle around them and were chanting at them. I feel like that is a very stressful situation to any cop, and all it takes is one thrown rock to lead to them shooting their rubber bullets. Just spraying them down seemed to be a none lethal way to disperse the crowd and did not lead to any more conflict. If they had walked up and started beating them with their batons, then that would have definitely been an issue.
On November 23 2011 00:00 PrideNeverDie wrote: look at how peaceful TL is under the harsh and sometimes unfairly quick actions of the moderators
maybe we need to use these measures more in real life for better results
TL mods are the cops giving explicit orders to stop obstructing the sidewalk the trolls are the armlocked students sitting on the ground the banhammer is the pepper spray
Sounds clever. Let's apply to Syria:
On November 23 2011 00:00 Pridereallyshoulddiesometimes wrote look at how peaceful TL is under the harsh and sometimes unfairly quick actions of the moderators
maybe we need to use these measures more in real life for better results
TL mods are Bashar Al'Assad army and snipers giving explicit orders to stop protesting the trolls are protesters who march in the streets although it's forbidden by the authorities the banhammer is the bullets. Perm ban is lethal shot, temp ban are injuries
Yeah, great success! I said something really dumb and made the most brainless analogy!!!
Peppers spray is not to be used in that situation. tear gas yes, pepper spray no. Its been all over the news, and many experts have stated pepper spray should have never been used.
Its what happens when you get a bunch of power tripping cops.
w/e happened to the right to assemble? Last time I checked our bill of rights trumped the penal code.
On November 23 2011 03:06 purecarnagge wrote: Peppers spray is not to be used in that situation. tear gas yes, pepper spray no. Its been all over the news, and many experts have stated pepper spray should have never been used.
Its what happens when you get a bunch of power tripping cops.
w/e happened to the right to assemble? Last time I checked our bill of rights trumped the penal code.
just an opinion.
Its private property therefore you can't protest there apparently though I guess as a public institution its public space. Oh wait, you can't protest in public spaces either unless you get the valid permits to protest. So nope, can't protest unless you get the legal documents. Without the legal documents you deserve to get pepper sprayed and tear gassed apparently.
On November 23 2011 03:06 purecarnagge wrote: Peppers spray is not to be used in that situation. tear gas yes, pepper spray no. Its been all over the news, and many experts have stated pepper spray should have never been used.
Its what happens when you get a bunch of power tripping cops.
w/e happened to the right to assemble? Last time I checked our bill of rights trumped the penal code.
just an opinion.
Its private property therefore you can't protest there apparently though I guess as a public institution its public space. Oh wait, you can't protest in public spaces either unless you get the valid permits to protest. So nope, can't protest unless you get the legal documents. Without the legal documents you deserve to get pepper sprayed and tear gassed apparently.
they got permission to protest from the bitch in charge
Ok, so from a recent post, apparently the students only locked arms after they were told to leave. This is obviously stupid, but of course, not deserving of pepper spray. Before people look at my recent posts and say I was a hypocrite, no, I did not say I thought pepper-spray was the best thing they could have done, I only said that they were allowed to (but with the recent cop giving his perspective, I've changed my opinion on that), but please, someone give an alternative that's not shot down. People keep saying "oh, just pull them away" but that gets shot down because that may cause more harm (not sure if it's true). Also, yes, I was not there so I don't have all the clear info on the subject, but why didn't they move? Are you telling me there's no other way to protest? The cops gave their warning and did something rather overblown, but why? Yes, the protest does need to happen, but having people on your side by being compliant and reasonable is probably better than having pepperspray in your face. If you've noticed, I haven't given examples on better ways the cops could have handled it or how else they could have protested. I'll leave that up to you guys. Also, if they just came to remove the tents, what the hell happened? It's like: 1. Remove tents 2. ??? 3. Remove students 4. Pepper spray after noncompliance.
This whole thing made me think of a quote by my beloved Carlin:
“The violence of the Left is symbolic, the injuries are not intended. The violence of the Right is real - directed at people, designed to cause injuries. Vietnam, nuclear weapons, police out of control are intentional forms of violence. The violence from the Right is aimed directly at people and the violence from the Left is aimed at institutions and symbols.”
Right wing era, with young people here celebrating police using violence at peaceful protesters because they didn't obey. Some of you guys realize that civil disobedience is what Gandhi did and advocated?
This is really such a disgusting disgrace, the worse they handle these situations, the shittier they end up looking, and the more support OWS ends up gaining.
Holy sweet mother of god. It takes a special kind of stupidity or shamelessness for anyone to considered pepper spray to be a food product. I'm not sure what is sadder, having someone with the gal to make this kind of ridiculous or having people stupid enough to believe it.
Why are people that stupid allowed to talk on television? I mean reality shows are set up to show stupid people do stupid stuff which entertains others and makes money, but here I don't think they even believe what they say,which shows they think that the viewers will be stupid enough to believe them.
"hey, a bullet is made of metal just like forks, so when we shoot you it's like eating"
Why are people that stupid allowed to talk on television? I mean reality shows are set up to show stupid people do stupid stuff which entertains others and makes money, but here I don't think they even believe what they say,which shows they think that the viewers will be stupid enough to believe them.
"hey, a bullet is made of metal just like forks, so when we shoot you it's like eating"
Seriously, their Anonymous report was both the biggest facepalm I ever had and the most infuriating propaganda piece of shit I've ever witnessed. And I don't even like Anonymous:
There is a very nice book by philosopher Alexander Koyré, about propaganda lies, that he wrote during the war. He said that the most striking thing about modern propaganda is how much one must despise his own troops, his own people, supporters or audience to lie them in such an obvious way or to feed them with reasoning they know are stupid or fallacious. He was concluding by saying that this anthropology, this belief that people are that stupid applied only to the one who were listening, that if totalitarian regimes proved something about stupidity, they proved it on their own people and certainly not on humanity as a whole.
Fox News and Murdoch are just a conservative version of what Goebbels was to Hitler or what Zhdanov was to Stalin. And I would apply the same reasoning: by lying so blatantly, by treating people like brainless idiots that would believe anything you serve them, what Fox News does is just to demonstrate who really vote for the Republicans, and how much ignorance and stupidity benefit this party and the ideas it carries.
On November 23 2011 00:00 PrideNeverDie wrote: look at how peaceful TL is under the harsh and sometimes unfairly quick actions of the moderators
maybe we need to use these measures more in real life for better results
TL mods are the cops giving explicit orders to stop obstructing the sidewalk the trolls are the armlocked students sitting on the ground the banhammer is the pepper spray
Yeah.. i got an even better idea. Lets set up watchtowers for our snipers, then we could just headshot everyone that speaks up. That will keep the troublemakers silent.
Shame on you.
just curious how you turned people being pepper sprayed to being shot dead..
On November 23 2011 00:00 PrideNeverDie wrote: look at how peaceful TL is under the harsh and sometimes unfairly quick actions of the moderators
maybe we need to use these measures more in real life for better results
TL mods are the cops giving explicit orders to stop obstructing the sidewalk the trolls are the armlocked students sitting on the ground the banhammer is the pepper spray
Yeah.. i got an even better idea. Lets set up watchtowers for our snipers, then we could just headshot everyone that speaks up. That will keep the troublemakers silent.
Shame on you.
just curious how you turned people being pepper sprayed to being shot dead..
In this case, they both can be filed into the category of excessive use of force.
EPT
