UC Davis Protesters Pepper Sprayed - Page 22

On November 24 2011 13:30 stevarius wrote:


It's washing your face with the end result of a qualification and certificate in drown-proofing yourself.

On November 25 2011 10:33 bassa wrote:



ok i can see how its being categorized but thats still like saying if i stole a candy bar and i stole millions of dollars as both being theft. one is a little more of a big deal than the other i would say

On November 25 2011 12:11 SupLilSon wrote:


But both are crimes... are they not?

On November 25 2011 12:13 Fruscainte wrote:


That's horrendous logic.

Murdering someone and taking a $0.50 candy bar are both crimes, but both don't warrant the death penalty.

On November 25 2011 12:29 Fruscainte wrote:


Oh god wat

On November 24 2011 13:30 stevarius wrote:


It's washing your face with the end result of a qualification and certificate in drown-proofing yourself.

On November 25 2011 14:19 danl9rm wrote:


So, you guys are saying pepper is not a food product? I mean, listen to the very next sentence she says. She's on the side of the 'victims.'

I don't even watch fox news, but if they're as bad as you want them to be, you shouldn't try so hard.

It's like a derivative of actual pepper, it's a food product, essentially.

On November 21 2011 13:45 Bouo wrote:
In all honesty, follow the law. If you want to protest or demonstrate, get the proper permits to do so. I completely understand the rising tuition costs as my schools board of trustees just voted to up our tuition 40% over the next 5 years, but if sitting in a line isn't going to fix the problem, e-mails, talking to representatives and school leaders is how its going to get fixed.

On November 21 2011 14:24 BluePanther wrote:


and risk a police brutality suit? yeah right, lol.....

On November 25 2011 15:52 dogabutila wrote:
One question for the people shocked and appalled at how the police handled this. What would you do instead?

I've heard a bunch of "oh just move then physically" or "arrest them one at at time" or "just make them all get up and walk away."

None of that has any realistic chance of happening. Have you ever tried to retrain and move somebody that really doesn't want to go anywhere? It's not an ezpz thing. Then, there are way too many students to move physically.

Can't arrest them one at a time, thats why they linked arms.

Obviously the goal is to make them get out of the way.... the question is HOW.



Pepper spray is a good idea in this case because that means you don't need to go hands on or use batons. Dependant on the police department, it is generally lower then use of hands on (pressure point compliance, locks, etc which can break things if people don't want to comply), or batons on the use of force continuum. It's not harmful (maybe some people have allergies?) but it is painful and ...uncomfortable isn't quite the word i'm looking for but nothing else really fits. Uncomfortable on steriods maybe. I've been pepper sprayed and maced before... OC is worse, but it's still not able to physically break anything like a cop going hands on or using a baton can.


Pepper spray being brutal? Jesus.....

On November 25 2011 22:35 Velr wrote:



Ahm.. Moving demonstrants by "hand" is pretty "common" practise against peaceful demonstrants? I don't see why this should not have been done here or should not have been possible.

Except that it was easyer and most probably more fun with the pepper spray.

On November 26 2011 02:03 Krikkitone wrote:


Well with locked arms I can see how it would have been impossible to move them without the potential for permanent damage (since you need to unlock their arms... leading to possible joint/bone damage).
Less possibility for permanent damage seems to come from reducing their resistance (either through pain or anesthetizing them, and I'm not sure of any anesthetization that wouldn't have a high risk of death)

Pepper spray may have been the least brutal way of getting them to move. However it would have been ideal to find some other way to deal with the situation without getting them to move. Perhaps a warning before the pepper spray (or an escalating cost (ie refusal to move in the next minute= expulsion from the UC.. no refunds.. of course you still would have to move the people left to determine who gets expelled)

On November 26 2011 20:32 billy5000 wrote:
Does UC Davis not have a campus police? I think the correct response would have been to call the campus police first. If for some reason it doesn't work, then calling in the riot force would've been the ideal thing to do. And why pepper spray? Couldn't they have handcuffed a handful of individuals and put them in a police vehicle to show others the consequences? Or something less threatening than pepper spray? Did the chief, if he's the one who issued the pepper spray, seriously not think of a scenario in which he's being asked why exactly he resorted to pepper spray - chief: oh, that's simple; since they didn't comply to our requests, we just pepper sprayed 'em.

Their logic baffles me.