On December 03 2011 12:57 Azerbaijan wrote: Also I find it ridiculous they are even protesting the rising cost of education. If you want a pricey education man up and save or risk the loans. College is expensive and its not getting cheaper anytime soon. If they`re worried about not being able to afford tuition their time would have been better spent looking for jobs, applying for scholarships, or pretty much anything else besides essentially baiting "police brutality" and then crying about it.
This whole thing was completely unnecessary; a waste of time and pepper spray.
Right, because the amount of money your parents made during their lives should directly determine whether you are worthy of an education. Let's watch the rich get richer and the the poor get poorer. Long live the American Dream!
There are limitless ways to obtain a college education without needing wealthy parents. It makes absolutely zero sense to go to a college where tuition is $12,000 a semester and then protest the cost of your education. Again either save up, risk the loans, or settle for a less pricey institution. These occupy movements blow my mind; the argument boils down to "few people control of most the money, that's not fair, I want free money."
Actually, their argument goes down to "The system is unfairly stacked in favour of people who control most of the money."
Same damn thing. few people control money who stack the system etc etc.
I won't comment on the morality, but I really feel bad for the cop. He isn't a malicious person. He clearly thought at the time that was the correct course of action. According to the Miami approach that is possibly justified under current police thought. Don't make the man out to be a monster: he is simply a man doing what guidelines tell him to.
Following orders is not a morally acceptable defense.
But morally is surrounding police and telling them they can't leave acceptable?
I'm just saying: the man is not inherently evil. But is it morally incorrect to pepper spray those trying to obstruct the arrest of others?
They said they can't leave with the people they arrested, they could have left any time they wanted.
There are limitless ways to obtain a college education without needing wealthy parents. It makes absolutely zero sense to go to a college where tuition is $12,000 a semester and then protest the cost of your education. Again either save up, risk the loans, or settle for a less pricey institution. These occupy movements blow my mind; the argument boils down to "few people control of most the money, that's not fair, I want free money."
Actually, their argument goes down to "The system is unfairly stacked in favour of people who control most of the money."[/QUOTE]
Some of us spend upwards of $50k a year on education. It's bullshit, but that's a private school.
wow those kids just sat there and took it. im not agreeing with the police use of mace but this whole occupy movement is stupid and its going to accomplish nothing. its actually counter productive because of all the over time police have to be paid to watch over the protestors. also the amount of sanitation personnel that must be hired to clean up after the protestors (this is primarily happening at wall street). my idea of a silent protest is sitting quietly in my room while i write my thesis paper because it will get me a degree.
i suggest everyone watch dudeman001's video on page 23. It's a chronology of what happened. The students claim to be peaceful protesting yet they blockade the police from leaving campus and make demands. police warned the students that got sprayed a number of times and even gave them one last chance to leave. The students seem to very clearly lose focus of their "occupy" protest and turn their attention toward harassing the police.
On December 03 2011 12:57 Azerbaijan wrote: Also I find it ridiculous they are even protesting the rising cost of education. If you want a pricey education man up and save or risk the loans. College is expensive and its not getting cheaper anytime soon. If they`re worried about not being able to afford tuition their time would have been better spent looking for jobs, applying for scholarships, or pretty much anything else besides essentially baiting "police brutality" and then crying about it.
This whole thing was completely unnecessary; a waste of time and pepper spray.
Right, because the amount of money your parents made during their lives should directly determine whether you are worthy of an education. Let's watch the rich get richer and the the poor get poorer. Long live the American Dream!
There are limitless ways to obtain a college education without needing wealthy parents. It makes absolutely zero sense to go to a college where tuition is $12,000 a semester and then protest the cost of your education. Again either save up, risk the loans, or settle for a less pricey institution. These occupy movements blow my mind; the argument boils down to "few people control of most the money, that's not fair, I want free money."
Actually, their argument goes down to "The system is unfairly stacked in favour of people who control most of the money."
Same damn thing. few people control money who stack the system etc etc.
I won't comment on the morality, but I really feel bad for the cop. He isn't a malicious person. He clearly thought at the time that was the correct course of action. According to the Miami approach that is possibly justified under current police thought. Don't make the man out to be a monster: he is simply a man doing what guidelines tell him to.
Following orders is not a morally acceptable defense.
But morally is surrounding police and telling them they can't leave acceptable?
I'm just saying: the man is not inherently evil. But is it morally incorrect to pepper spray those trying to obstruct the arrest of others?
They said they can't leave with the people they arrested, they could have left any time they wanted.
So what your saying is that police should give into the demands of a mob and let go of people that where legaly arrested? That the law enforcement should give into the demands of protesters in the face of due process? What if the mob wanted to harm the people that the police had in custody? Its happened a lot of times before and it'll happen again so you'd better decide if you really want to believe that.
On December 03 2011 12:57 Azerbaijan wrote: Also I find it ridiculous they are even protesting the rising cost of education. If you want a pricey education man up and save or risk the loans. College is expensive and its not getting cheaper anytime soon. If they`re worried about not being able to afford tuition their time would have been better spent looking for jobs, applying for scholarships, or pretty much anything else besides essentially baiting "police brutality" and then crying about it.
This whole thing was completely unnecessary; a waste of time and pepper spray.
Right, because the amount of money your parents made during their lives should directly determine whether you are worthy of an education. Let's watch the rich get richer and the the poor get poorer. Long live the American Dream!
There are limitless ways to obtain a college education without needing wealthy parents. It makes absolutely zero sense to go to a college where tuition is $12,000 a semester and then protest the cost of your education. Again either save up, risk the loans, or settle for a less pricey institution. These occupy movements blow my mind; the argument boils down to "few people control of most the money, that's not fair, I want free money."
Actually, their argument goes down to "The system is unfairly stacked in favour of people who control most of the money."
Same damn thing. few people control money who stack the system etc etc.
I won't comment on the morality, but I really feel bad for the cop. He isn't a malicious person. He clearly thought at the time that was the correct course of action. According to the Miami approach that is possibly justified under current police thought. Don't make the man out to be a monster: he is simply a man doing what guidelines tell him to.
Following orders is not a morally acceptable defense.
But morally is surrounding police and telling them they can't leave acceptable?
I'm just saying: the man is not inherently evil. But is it morally incorrect to pepper spray those trying to obstruct the arrest of others?
They said they can't leave with the people they arrested, they could have left any time they wanted.
So what your saying is that police should give into the demands of a mob and let go of people that where legaly arrested? That the law enforcement should give into the demands of protesters in the face of due process? What if the mob wanted to harm the people that the police had in custody? Its happened a lot of times before and it'll happen again so you'd better decide if you really want to believe that.
What if's, is a great way to make shit up. What if the police officer shot the protests with real bullets instead of pepper spray putting a hole though one of the protesters head at which point it starts to go back and we find out he's a mutant and x-men is historical documentary, asking hypothetical outside of the reality is just full of shit.
The UC Davis protest were in the wake of the uc Berkeley protests the protesters were not going to have people, both student and faculty (in the uc Berkeley protests) were beat up, dragged by the hair etc.
Your what if is so full of shit it's the opposite, they wanted to free the people so they wouldn't be harmed by the police =p. And knowing how police work they were being arrested to be taken in cited and released, they were not put under protective custody.
The point is the officers were never in any real danger and so their response was poor.
On December 03 2011 12:57 Azerbaijan wrote: Also I find it ridiculous they are even protesting the rising cost of education. If you want a pricey education man up and save or risk the loans. College is expensive and its not getting cheaper anytime soon. If they`re worried about not being able to afford tuition their time would have been better spent looking for jobs, applying for scholarships, or pretty much anything else besides essentially baiting "police brutality" and then crying about it.
This whole thing was completely unnecessary; a waste of time and pepper spray.
Right, because the amount of money your parents made during their lives should directly determine whether you are worthy of an education. Let's watch the rich get richer and the the poor get poorer. Long live the American Dream!
There are limitless ways to obtain a college education without needing wealthy parents. It makes absolutely zero sense to go to a college where tuition is $12,000 a semester and then protest the cost of your education. Again either save up, risk the loans, or settle for a less pricey institution. These occupy movements blow my mind; the argument boils down to "few people control of most the money, that's not fair, I want free money."
Actually, their argument goes down to "The system is unfairly stacked in favour of people who control most of the money."
Same damn thing. few people control money who stack the system etc etc.
I won't comment on the morality, but I really feel bad for the cop. He isn't a malicious person. He clearly thought at the time that was the correct course of action. According to the Miami approach that is possibly justified under current police thought. Don't make the man out to be a monster: he is simply a man doing what guidelines tell him to.
Following orders is not a morally acceptable defense.
But morally is surrounding police and telling them they can't leave acceptable?
I'm just saying: the man is not inherently evil. But is it morally incorrect to pepper spray those trying to obstruct the arrest of others?
They said they can't leave with the people they arrested, they could have left any time they wanted.
So what your saying is that police should give into the demands of a mob and let go of people that where legaly arrested? That the law enforcement should give into the demands of protesters in the face of due process? What if the mob wanted to harm the people that the police had in custody? Its happened a lot of times before and it'll happen again so you'd better decide if you really want to believe that.
What if's, is a great way to make shit up. What if the police officer shot the protests with real bullets instead of pepper spray putting a hole though one of the protesters head at which point it starts to go back and we find out he's a mutant and x-men is historical documentary, asking hypothetical outside of the reality is just full of shit.
The UC Davis protest were in the wake of the uc Berkeley protests the protesters were not going to have people, both student and faculty (in the uc Berkeley protests) were beat up, dragged by the hair etc.
Your what if is so full of shit it's the opposite, they wanted to free the people so they wouldn't be harmed by the police =p. And knowing how police work they were being arrested to be taken in cited and released, they were not put under protective custody.
The point is the officers were never in any real danger and so their response was poor.
Um, pretty sure it's possible for threats to escalate into violence relatively easily. Also, arguments involving x-men when concerning real life not really the best way to argue. And your argument that they wanted their friends to be free so they wouldn't be harmed is a what if statement in itself. What if the students were thinking that instead? And it's assuming a lot saying that the police would most definitely hurt the kids.
On December 03 2011 12:57 Azerbaijan wrote: Also I find it ridiculous they are even protesting the rising cost of education. If you want a pricey education man up and save or risk the loans. College is expensive and its not getting cheaper anytime soon. If they`re worried about not being able to afford tuition their time would have been better spent looking for jobs, applying for scholarships, or pretty much anything else besides essentially baiting "police brutality" and then crying about it.
This whole thing was completely unnecessary; a waste of time and pepper spray.
Right, because the amount of money your parents made during their lives should directly determine whether you are worthy of an education. Let's watch the rich get richer and the the poor get poorer. Long live the American Dream!
There are limitless ways to obtain a college education without needing wealthy parents. It makes absolutely zero sense to go to a college where tuition is $12,000 a semester and then protest the cost of your education. Again either save up, risk the loans, or settle for a less pricey institution. These occupy movements blow my mind; the argument boils down to "few people control of most the money, that's not fair, I want free money."
Actually, their argument goes down to "The system is unfairly stacked in favour of people who control most of the money."
Same damn thing. few people control money who stack the system etc etc.
I won't comment on the morality, but I really feel bad for the cop. He isn't a malicious person. He clearly thought at the time that was the correct course of action. According to the Miami approach that is possibly justified under current police thought. Don't make the man out to be a monster: he is simply a man doing what guidelines tell him to.
Following orders is not a morally acceptable defense.
But morally is surrounding police and telling them they can't leave acceptable?
I'm just saying: the man is not inherently evil. But is it morally incorrect to pepper spray those trying to obstruct the arrest of others?
They said they can't leave with the people they arrested, they could have left any time they wanted.
No offense but that is complete bull. You're saying that police should just give into the demands of protesters and leave because they are obviously right? Who made the protesters god? I guess they should just march up to the police station and tell them they can't leave unless they leave 100,000 dollars for a guy who needs a college fee because he's poor. That's moral right?
This kind of protest solves nothing. You waste taxpayers dollars on clean up and police watch while you achieve nothing because the way you protest causes so much controversy. If these guys really want to make a difference, go work in a soup kitchen, donate to charity, volunteer to non-profit organizations that help the community.
Also, on the topic of higher college expenses, if you keep your GPA up, then some states give you a scholarship that pays for room/board, books, and pretty much everything besides the tuition. If you then go look up the amount of scholarships out there and apply, then you can potentially pay off your entire college tuition. And don't even get me started on government financial aid. If you do your research and work hard in high school, on academics and extraciriculars, then you can go to college for free. My friend went to emory, whos tuition is 50k+, on a full ride due to scholarships and government aid.
I will admit thought not everyone can do this. This is where going to the right school and getting the right major is important.
On December 03 2011 12:57 Azerbaijan wrote: Also I find it ridiculous they are even protesting the rising cost of education. If you want a pricey education man up and save or risk the loans. College is expensive and its not getting cheaper anytime soon. If they`re worried about not being able to afford tuition their time would have been better spent looking for jobs, applying for scholarships, or pretty much anything else besides essentially baiting "police brutality" and then crying about it.
This whole thing was completely unnecessary; a waste of time and pepper spray.
Right, because the amount of money your parents made during their lives should directly determine whether you are worthy of an education. Let's watch the rich get richer and the the poor get poorer. Long live the American Dream!
There are limitless ways to obtain a college education without needing wealthy parents. It makes absolutely zero sense to go to a college where tuition is $12,000 a semester and then protest the cost of your education. Again either save up, risk the loans, or settle for a less pricey institution. These occupy movements blow my mind; the argument boils down to "few people control of most the money, that's not fair, I want free money."
Actually, their argument goes down to "The system is unfairly stacked in favour of people who control most of the money."
Same damn thing. few people control money who stack the system etc etc.
I won't comment on the morality, but I really feel bad for the cop. He isn't a malicious person. He clearly thought at the time that was the correct course of action. According to the Miami approach that is possibly justified under current police thought. Don't make the man out to be a monster: he is simply a man doing what guidelines tell him to.
Following orders is not a morally acceptable defense.
But morally is surrounding police and telling them they can't leave acceptable?
I'm just saying: the man is not inherently evil. But is it morally incorrect to pepper spray those trying to obstruct the arrest of others?
They said they can't leave with the people they arrested, they could have left any time they wanted.
No offense but that is complete bull. You're saying that police should just give into the demands of protesters and leave because they are obviously right? Who made the protesters god? I guess they should just march up to the police station and tell them they can't leave unless they leave 100,000 dollars for a guy who needs a college fee because he's poor. That's moral right?
This kind of protest solves nothing. You waste taxpayers dollars on clean up and police watch while you achieve nothing because the way you protest causes so much controversy. If these guys really want to make a difference, go work in a soup kitchen, donate to charity, volunteer to non-profit organizations that help the community.
Also, on the topic of higher college expenses, if you keep your GPA up, then some states give you a scholarship that pays for room/board, books, and pretty much everything besides the tuition. If you then go look up the amount of scholarships out there and apply, then you can potentially pay off your entire college tuition. And don't even get me started on government financial aid. If you do your research and work hard in high school, on academics and extraciriculars, then you can go to college for free. My friend went to emory, whos tuition is 50k+, on a full ride due to scholarships and government aid.
I will admit thought not everyone can do this. This is where going to the right school and getting the right major is important.
Ya, let's just ignore all the problems wrong with the country, continue to take it up the ass, and just work in soup kitchens to make a real difference. The logic is strong in this one.
On December 03 2011 12:57 Azerbaijan wrote: Also I find it ridiculous they are even protesting the rising cost of education. If you want a pricey education man up and save or risk the loans. College is expensive and its not getting cheaper anytime soon. If they`re worried about not being able to afford tuition their time would have been better spent looking for jobs, applying for scholarships, or pretty much anything else besides essentially baiting "police brutality" and then crying about it.
This whole thing was completely unnecessary; a waste of time and pepper spray.
Right, because the amount of money your parents made during their lives should directly determine whether you are worthy of an education. Let's watch the rich get richer and the the poor get poorer. Long live the American Dream!
There are limitless ways to obtain a college education without needing wealthy parents. It makes absolutely zero sense to go to a college where tuition is $12,000 a semester and then protest the cost of your education. Again either save up, risk the loans, or settle for a less pricey institution. These occupy movements blow my mind; the argument boils down to "few people control of most the money, that's not fair, I want free money."
Actually, their argument goes down to "The system is unfairly stacked in favour of people who control most of the money."
Same damn thing. few people control money who stack the system etc etc.
I won't comment on the morality, but I really feel bad for the cop. He isn't a malicious person. He clearly thought at the time that was the correct course of action. According to the Miami approach that is possibly justified under current police thought. Don't make the man out to be a monster: he is simply a man doing what guidelines tell him to.
Following orders is not a morally acceptable defense.
But morally is surrounding police and telling them they can't leave acceptable?
I'm just saying: the man is not inherently evil. But is it morally incorrect to pepper spray those trying to obstruct the arrest of others?
They said they can't leave with the people they arrested, they could have left any time they wanted.
No offense but that is complete bull. You're saying that police should just give into the demands of protesters and leave because they are obviously right? Who made the protesters god? I guess they should just march up to the police station and tell them they can't leave unless they leave 100,000 dollars for a guy who needs a college fee because he's poor. That's moral right?
This kind of protest solves nothing. You waste taxpayers dollars on clean up and police watch while you achieve nothing because the way you protest causes so much controversy. If these guys really want to make a difference, go work in a soup kitchen, donate to charity, volunteer to non-profit organizations that help the community.
Also, on the topic of higher college expenses, if you keep your GPA up, then some states give you a scholarship that pays for room/board, books, and pretty much everything besides the tuition. If you then go look up the amount of scholarships out there and apply, then you can potentially pay off your entire college tuition. And don't even get me started on government financial aid. If you do your research and work hard in high school, on academics and extraciriculars, then you can go to college for free. My friend went to emory, whos tuition is 50k+, on a full ride due to scholarships and government aid.
I will admit thought not everyone can do this. This is where going to the right school and getting the right major is important.
Ya, let's just ignore all the problems wrong with the country, continue to take it up the ass, and just work in soup kitchens to make a real difference. The logic is strong in this one.
yeah and what is your solution, protest? Lobby? You have to realize by now they don't care and won't change. And if we do go violent, that would just make us rebels that are selfish. What have you taken up the ass that ha physically or mentally harmed you? Stop being such a pansy,I hate when people claim our country has so many problems and they suffer when they live comfortably and have time to play starcraft when people die like every seven seconds of hunger in the world. Yeah we do have problems, so what? Is it gonna cause us to die? Or is it gonna potentially cause us to not have enough money for internet? People have been saying this since our country was started. They claimed their children are in danger. Is our country still intact? Does their children eat and manage to get money every day? We blow so many things out of proportion, its ridiculous. When we have a serious problem, like North Korea or something is gonna nuke us, call me.
It's a 16 minute video showing what ACTUALLY happened that forced the police into a situation where they had to use pepper spray. I can now say the police were 100% justified in what they did without an inkling of doubt.
edit:: The gist of what happened (this is the tl;dw version, but please watch the entire thing if you have any qualms with my summary) students are notified in the previous day to clear the quad of tents -> next day police arrive and give out multiple verbal warnings to those still occupying tents that they will be arrested and incarcerated at the county jail -> police arrest only those who still refused to clear their tents from the quad, not the bystanders -> the students surround the police so they physically cannot move out of the circle, and demand that they release the arrested students -> start chanting shit like "let them free and you can leave" and "fuck the police!" -> verbal warnings issued, students take it as a joke -> last resort pepper spray -> bitchfit ensues
On December 05 2011 07:36 rotinegg wrote: Have you seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhPdH3wE0_Y It's a 16 minute video showing what ACTUALLY happened that forced the police into a situation where they had to use pepper spray. I can now say the police were 100% justified in what they did without an inkling of doubt.
edit:: The gist of what happened (this is the tl;dw version, but please watch the entire thing if you have any qualms with my summary) students are notified in the previous day to clear the quad of tents -> next day police arrive and give out multiple verbal warnings to those still occupying tents that they will be arrested and incarcerated at the county jail -> police arrest only those who still refused to clear their tents from the quad, not the bystanders -> the students surround the police so they physically cannot move out of the circle, and demand that they release the arrested students -> start chanting shit like "let them free and you can leave" and "fuck the police!" -> verbal warnings issued, students take it as a joke -> last resort pepper spray -> bitchfit ensues
Yeah. I got even more sure how stupid the protesters were after watching it.
On December 03 2011 14:39 FirmTofu wrote: [quote] Right, because the amount of money your parents made during their lives should directly determine whether you are worthy of an education. Let's watch the rich get richer and the the poor get poorer. Long live the American Dream!
There are limitless ways to obtain a college education without needing wealthy parents. It makes absolutely zero sense to go to a college where tuition is $12,000 a semester and then protest the cost of your education. Again either save up, risk the loans, or settle for a less pricey institution. These occupy movements blow my mind; the argument boils down to "few people control of most the money, that's not fair, I want free money."
Actually, their argument goes down to "The system is unfairly stacked in favour of people who control most of the money."
Same damn thing. few people control money who stack the system etc etc.
I won't comment on the morality, but I really feel bad for the cop. He isn't a malicious person. He clearly thought at the time that was the correct course of action. According to the Miami approach that is possibly justified under current police thought. Don't make the man out to be a monster: he is simply a man doing what guidelines tell him to.
Following orders is not a morally acceptable defense.
But morally is surrounding police and telling them they can't leave acceptable?
I'm just saying: the man is not inherently evil. But is it morally incorrect to pepper spray those trying to obstruct the arrest of others?
They said they can't leave with the people they arrested, they could have left any time they wanted.
No offense but that is complete bull. You're saying that police should just give into the demands of protesters and leave because they are obviously right? Who made the protesters god? I guess they should just march up to the police station and tell them they can't leave unless they leave 100,000 dollars for a guy who needs a college fee because he's poor. That's moral right?
This kind of protest solves nothing. You waste taxpayers dollars on clean up and police watch while you achieve nothing because the way you protest causes so much controversy. If these guys really want to make a difference, go work in a soup kitchen, donate to charity, volunteer to non-profit organizations that help the community.
Also, on the topic of higher college expenses, if you keep your GPA up, then some states give you a scholarship that pays for room/board, books, and pretty much everything besides the tuition. If you then go look up the amount of scholarships out there and apply, then you can potentially pay off your entire college tuition. And don't even get me started on government financial aid. If you do your research and work hard in high school, on academics and extraciriculars, then you can go to college for free. My friend went to emory, whos tuition is 50k+, on a full ride due to scholarships and government aid.
I will admit thought not everyone can do this. This is where going to the right school and getting the right major is important.
Ya, let's just ignore all the problems wrong with the country, continue to take it up the ass, and just work in soup kitchens to make a real difference. The logic is strong in this one.
yeah and what is your solution, protest? Lobby? You have to realize by now they don't care and won't change. And if we do go violent, that would just make us rebels that are selfish. What have you taken up the ass that ha physically or mentally harmed you? Stop being such a pansy,I hate when people claim our country has so many problems and they suffer when they live comfortably and have time to play starcraft when people die like every seven seconds of hunger in the world. Yeah we do have problems, so what? Is it gonna cause us to die? Or is it gonna potentially cause us to not have enough money for internet? People have been saying this since our country was started. They claimed their children are in danger. Is our country still intact? Does their children eat and manage to get money every day? We blow so many things out of proportion, its ridiculous. When we have a serious problem, like North Korea or something is gonna nuke us, call me.
In summary
Are you serious?
Hey guys everything in Europe and America is fine because we have a higher average quality of life than certain people in Africa and North Korea. We should thank our governments for the status quo rather than work to improve it! Political activism is just self-indulgence!
On December 05 2011 07:36 rotinegg wrote: Have you seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhPdH3wE0_Y It's a 16 minute video showing what ACTUALLY happened that forced the police into a situation where they had to use pepper spray. I can now say the police were 100% justified in what they did without an inkling of doubt.
edit:: The gist of what happened (this is the tl;dw version, but please watch the entire thing if you have any qualms with my summary) students are notified in the previous day to clear the quad of tents -> next day police arrive and give out multiple verbal warnings to those still occupying tents that they will be arrested and incarcerated at the county jail -> police arrest only those who still refused to clear their tents from the quad, not the bystanders -> the students surround the police so they physically cannot move out of the circle, and demand that they release the arrested students -> start chanting shit like "let them free and you can leave" and "fuck the police!" -> verbal warnings issued, students take it as a joke -> last resort pepper spray -> bitchfit ensues
Just another reminder how all media is subject to bias... It's really nice that someone took the time out to represent the opposite perspective with their own video. Previous videos were quite uninformative, and they mostly just made it seem as though the police just said "Move" and then sprayed.
The media of course portrayed the event in certain sensationalist ways and didn't paint the whole picture, but this video itself is biased. Not only that, but it doesn't justify the use of pepper spray at all.
We can see more of where the police are coming from and understand their perspective more (although it was possible to find that out by doing research aside from the media) but the use of pepper spray and the manner in which it was used was clearly excessive.
On December 05 2011 07:36 rotinegg wrote: Have you seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhPdH3wE0_Y It's a 16 minute video showing what ACTUALLY happened that forced the police into a situation where they had to use pepper spray. I can now say the police were 100% justified in what they did without an inkling of doubt.
edit:: The gist of what happened (this is the tl;dw version, but please watch the entire thing if you have any qualms with my summary) students are notified in the previous day to clear the quad of tents -> next day police arrive and give out multiple verbal warnings to those still occupying tents that they will be arrested and incarcerated at the county jail -> police arrest only those who still refused to clear their tents from the quad, not the bystanders -> the students surround the police so they physically cannot move out of the circle, and demand that they release the arrested students -> start chanting shit like "let them free and you can leave" and "fuck the police!" -> verbal warnings issued, students take it as a joke -> last resort pepper spray -> bitchfit ensues
Just another reminder how all media is subject to bias... It's really nice that someone took the time out to represent the opposite perspective with their own video. Previous videos were quite uninformative, and they mostly just made it seem as though the police just said "Move" and then sprayed.
The problem with the spray is that if you spray someone with pepper spray they can't move that kind of pepper spray makes you numb then sets your skin on fire after suffering 30 mins to 2 hours of temporary blindness, so the order to move doesn't make sense as when you spray then the last thing they can do is move, in California state prisons you can't spray a sitting down prisoner like that as it would be considered unnecessary force. So to say that the police were in the right in doing so is also wrong, both parties have problems to how they handled it but you have to remember the protesters never threw a rock at the police.
Huh, when did I say it wasn't excessive? And I said that all media is subject to bias, which kind of assumes that the video I quoted is also biased? I only said that previous videos were taken out of context. Nothing more.
...look the students were rowdy. If the police felt the need to arrest them, I would not be against it. But spraying pepper spray down the throats of people? And we call ourselves civilized people? You and I would not be too pleased if that happened to us either. And don't you all dare go "I'm smart so that will never happen to me." It's still unjustified. Perfect, what the news media wants, to split the normal Americans against one another. Always you vs me. I hate this two way system.
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