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someperson
Profile Joined March 2011
United States17 Posts
November 21 2011 20:40 GMT
#281
I don't understand the perspective of the protestors. It seems like they were being dicks to the police just for the sake of being dicks. They could have just gotten out of the way, kept on going about their chanting and informing of everyone else there. Instead, someone had the bright idea that provoking police and being rude about it for the sake of being rude. It isn't like there is some big moral dilemma of getting off the sidewalk or not. All I see is stubbornness and arrogance from the protestors. As If refusing to get off the sidewalk on a college campus is the catalyst for societal change
KinosJourney2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden1811 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 20:43:08
November 21 2011 20:42 GMT
#282
Disgusting how people employed to protect peaceful civilians do the opposite of what they are supposed to do.
What retard policeman had the idea to pepperspray people not posing a threat?

People like these should be fired and beaten to death in my opinion.

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RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
November 21 2011 20:46 GMT
#283
On November 22 2011 05:42 KinosJourney2 wrote:
Disgusting how people employed to protect peaceful civilians do the opposite of what they are supposed to do.
What retard policeman had the idea to pepperspray people not posing a threat?

People like these should be fired and beaten to death in my opinion.

How is firing them and beating them to death any better than them pepper spraying people in the face?
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
November 21 2011 20:55 GMT
#284
On November 22 2011 03:54 Ungrateful wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 03:51 triangle wrote:
On November 22 2011 03:40 Mr Showtime wrote:
On November 22 2011 02:09 blinken wrote:
On November 22 2011 01:58 Mr Showtime wrote:
On November 22 2011 00:40 muse5187 wrote:
On November 22 2011 00:34 Mr Showtime wrote:
100% appropriate.
This is one of the most retarded movements I think the world has ever seen. I can almost see what the "occupy wall street" people are trying to achieve, but even that is still retarded because they are essentially protesting the government policies..... while occupying wall street.

THIS here is just straight up stupid on a level I couldn't even fathom before now. They are occupying UC Davis? Seriously? You're not protesting anything; you are being a public nuisance. Wake up.

Police brutality would be the police immediately resorting to pepper spray because they are sitting down in the way of travel. They are getting sprayed to shit because of insubordination and refusal to follow the written laws of the state of California. Serves them right.


They are protesting the increase in tuition which has skyrocketed in the last decade. If you don't think police brutality includes walking up to people and spraying OC in directly into their eyes at point blank range I pray you never become a policeman. Not everyone's parents pay their tuition no matter what the cost. Lot's of people take out massive student loans to pay.


My apologies for posting an partially ignorant comment, as I was unclear as to what they were protesting. But my original opinion stands. But you and others who disagree with the orders given to these officers act like pepper-spray was the first response plan. Let me repeat that the spraying of the students was not the result their occupation, it was the result of insubordination and refusal to cooperate with the officer's requests as they were in DIRECT violation of state law. Officers get paid to uphold the law. I'd never support police "brutality", but in this case they are doing their job. There's no way in hell that these officers or myself wanted this situation to get to this point, but at some time you will run out of options. They did unfortunately.


Please...

Pepper spraying students is despicable. Any good-hearted, common-sense bound person can see this. The person who made the call to use pepper spray is in a leadership position, a position of responsibility. This person needs to be able to make moral calls, and not just blindly follow what are clearly archaic laws.

I mean, the argument they had to pepper spray these students because they were running out of options is repulsive to me. Some nearly insignificant, non-violent, non-obtrusive protest is such a massive breach of the law, that these officers were in such a panic they felt the need to spray and arrest them? Come on....


Don't start making shit up to create a defense. These officers were not in a "panic" and they did not take the impulsive action to use pepper spray on the students. These students were in violation of the law. They tried for a long while to get them to move along peacefully. The students REFUSED. They need to know that this was coming. The officers didn't panic. They were under ORDERS to remove the students. Peaceful negotiations were not working. Too bad for the idiots who thought they could sit there in violation of the law without consequence. It's called learning the hard way.

Um... what?

Let's say I am about to park in a handicapped spot. I am breaking the law. A policeman comes by and shoots me to stop me. Is that justified? Obviously not. The response is totally out of proportion to what I am doing.

This was a peaceful protest in a public space. Spraying with pepper spray and beating with batons is WAY WAY WAY disproportional.

Bad analogy is bad.


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Inappropriate way to respond, but you're right. That's a shitty comparison. If you park in a handicap spot your car can get towed. You don't get shot. Use common sense. These people aren't getting shot.

And for the guy who said that the "peeling them apart from each other" was the proper solution. You don't know what you are talking about. Officers can't just use physical force. They were following orders, and they were given no choice up to the point where they had to resort to pepper spray. That's how it works.
Pleiades
Profile Joined June 2010
United States472 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 20:56:55
November 21 2011 20:55 GMT
#285
On November 22 2011 05:46 RoosterSamurai wrote:
How is firing them and beating them to death any better than them pepper spraying people in the face?


I agree.

Not to mention reducing or removing their tuition hikes. Physical retaliation is the last thing they need to do.
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SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
November 21 2011 20:57 GMT
#286
On November 22 2011 05:46 RoosterSamurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 05:42 KinosJourney2 wrote:
Disgusting how people employed to protect peaceful civilians do the opposite of what they are supposed to do.
What retard policeman had the idea to pepperspray people not posing a threat?

People like these should be fired and beaten to death in my opinion.

How is firing them and beating them to death any better than them pepper spraying people in the face?


Because when you sign up to be a police officer you take on certain responsibilities and duties. Among those are protecting and serving your community. These cops have shown a complete disregard for the safety and well being of the people they swore to protect. I honestly don't care about the legality of the protests, as long as they weren't violent there is NO reason to employ weapons against them. Not to mention the way the police used the spray was clearly in an attempt to inflict harm and pain, otherwise you wouldn't be spraying kids down the mouth and from 2 feet away.
domovoi
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1478 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 20:58:11
November 21 2011 20:57 GMT
#287
It's simply amazing and sad how tone-deaf the Occupy movement is. Rich, privileged college students harassing a blue collar police officer put in a stressful situation does not lend itself to the supposed 99% message the Occupy movement wants to make. The average American, for better or for worse, respect the police, and being anti-establishment douchebags is not going to win their support.

And the Occupy movement is fucking irrelevant if they cannot get the support of average voters to enact their desired policies. Protesting is not democracy. Voting is.
RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
November 21 2011 20:59 GMT
#288
On November 22 2011 05:57 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 05:46 RoosterSamurai wrote:
On November 22 2011 05:42 KinosJourney2 wrote:
Disgusting how people employed to protect peaceful civilians do the opposite of what they are supposed to do.
What retard policeman had the idea to pepperspray people not posing a threat?

People like these should be fired and beaten to death in my opinion.

How is firing them and beating them to death any better than them pepper spraying people in the face?


Because when you sign up to be a police officer you take on certain responsibilities and duties. Among those are protecting and serving your community. These cops have shown a complete disregard for the safety and well being of the people they swore to protect. I honestly don't care about the legality of the protests, as long as they weren't violent there is NO reason to employ weapons against them. Not to mention the way the police used the spray was clearly in an attempt to inflict harm and pain, otherwise you wouldn't be spraying kids down the mouth and from 2 feet away.

Ok....I don't disagree with you, but you completely side-stepped my question. Not that I actually expected someone to try to answer it..It should be universally obvious that beating someone to death is a bit worse than spraying them with pepper spray.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 21 2011 21:21 GMT
#289
On November 22 2011 05:57 domovoi wrote:
It's simply amazing and sad how tone-deaf the Occupy movement is. Rich, privileged college students harassing a blue collar police officer put in a stressful situation does not lend itself to the supposed 99% message the Occupy movement wants to make. The average American, for better or for worse, respect the police, and being anti-establishment douchebags is not going to win their support.

And the Occupy movement is fucking irrelevant if they cannot get the support of average voters to enact their desired policies. Protesting is not democracy. Voting is.


lol at how biased your post is. "rich privileged college students". how do you know anything about them? that's complete assumptions.

"blue collar officer put in a stressful situation". you mean, doing their job???

ugh why am i even posting here. your post annoyed me though.
domovoi
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1478 Posts
November 21 2011 21:32 GMT
#290
On November 22 2011 06:21 travis wrote:
lol at how biased your post is. "rich privileged college students". how do you know anything about them? that's complete assumptions.

The vast majority of the students in the video are white. White college students are predominantly in the upper half of America's income bracket. Moreover, from a global income perspective, Americans at nearly all income levels are in the top 5%.

"blue collar officer put in a stressful situation". you mean, doing their job???

Yes, I mean doing their job. A lot of OWS supporters treat the police as if they are on the side of "THE MAN," which feeds into their narcissistic, anti-establishment world view. It certainly does not promote the 99% message OWS has tried but failed to express.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 21 2011 21:33 GMT
#291
On November 22 2011 06:32 domovoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 06:21 travis wrote:
lol at how biased your post is. "rich privileged college students". how do you know anything about them? that's complete assumptions.

The vast majority of the students in the video are white. White college students are predominantly in the upper half of America's income bracket. Moreover, from a global income perspective, Americans at nearly all income levels are in the top 5%.

Show nested quote +
"blue collar officer put in a stressful situation". you mean, doing their job???

Yes, I mean doing their job. A lot of OWS supporters treat the police as if they are on the side of "THE MAN," which feeds into their narcissistic, anti-establishment world view. It certainly does not promote the 99% message OWS has tried but failed to express.


I wasn't aware that every single white person was rich. What a stunning revelation you have brought upon us.
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domovoi
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1478 Posts
November 21 2011 21:34 GMT
#292
On November 22 2011 06:33 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 06:32 domovoi wrote:
On November 22 2011 06:21 travis wrote:
lol at how biased your post is. "rich privileged college students". how do you know anything about them? that's complete assumptions.

The vast majority of the students in the video are white. White college students are predominantly in the upper half of America's income bracket. Moreover, from a global income perspective, Americans at nearly all income levels are in the top 5%.

"blue collar officer put in a stressful situation". you mean, doing their job???

Yes, I mean doing their job. A lot of OWS supporters treat the police as if they are on the side of "THE MAN," which feeds into their narcissistic, anti-establishment world view. It certainly does not promote the 99% message OWS has tried but failed to express.


I wasn't aware that every single white person was rich. What a stunning revelation you have brought upon us.

I wasn't aware that I claimed every single white person was rich. I wasn't aware that some people on TL.net do not understand the concept of generalities.
Pleiades
Profile Joined June 2010
United States472 Posts
November 21 2011 21:35 GMT
#293
UC davis is like 42% white, 42% asian in terms of students who enroll there.
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domovoi
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1478 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 21:36:48
November 21 2011 21:36 GMT
#294
On November 22 2011 06:35 Pleiades wrote:
UC davis is like 42% white, 42% asian in terms of students who enroll there.

Asian university students also tend to be in the high income bracket.
Pleiades
Profile Joined June 2010
United States472 Posts
November 21 2011 21:44 GMT
#295
On November 22 2011 06:36 domovoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 06:35 Pleiades wrote:
UC davis is like 42% white, 42% asian in terms of students who enroll there.

Asian university students also tend to be in the high income bracket.


Not all, I know some past and present Vietnamese and Hmong students that go there that have parents who immigrated after the Vietnam war. Their families are technically living in poverty due to their income.
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Glam
Profile Joined September 2010
United States325 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 21:49:24
November 21 2011 21:47 GMT
#296
If I follow the assumption that every single one of those students(...) was rich and privileged, does that automatically negate any opinions they have on the matter? How does their status somehow invalidate their opinions about something they see as an outrage worth protesting? Were the white people who joined the civil rights movement and put police in "stressful" situations being ridiculous because it didn't really affect them?
domovoi
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1478 Posts
November 21 2011 21:50 GMT
#297
On November 22 2011 06:47 Glam wrote:
If I follow the assumption that every single one of those students(...) was rich and privileged, does that automatically negate any opinions they have on the matter? How does their status somehow invalidate their opinions about something they see as an outrage worth protesting? Are the white people who joined the civil rights movement and put police in "stressful" situations being ridiculous because it didn't really affect them?

Jesus Christ, I didn't say any of that stuff. How about rereading my comment.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
November 21 2011 21:50 GMT
#298
On November 22 2011 06:36 domovoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 06:35 Pleiades wrote:
UC davis is like 42% white, 42% asian in terms of students who enroll there.

Asian university students also tend to be in the high income bracket.


Buddy, buddy, buddy... I really like to see where you get that idea. A good portion of the asian students that attend universities in NYC depend highly on GPA based scholarships (because they can achieve those) and on federal/state loans.
Yargh
zimz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States510 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 21:54:33
November 21 2011 21:50 GMT
#299
people who say there rich must not understand the current state of the economy, because after they graduate and have huge college loans they owe most of them can't find a job better than minimum wage anymore.

and top 5% income is irrelevant when you don't have a job! that's no income. people don't understand how bad its getting in America. job growth is not even keeping up with population growth anymore. and every month there is more jobless that don't count in statistics because they dint have work prior, but they just entered the workforce, and they don't count in umeployment statistics. US needs 150k new jobs a month just to keep up with population growth alone. and that means more and more unemployed who don't count every month who enter the workforce.
zimz
domovoi
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1478 Posts
November 21 2011 21:51 GMT
#300
On November 22 2011 06:44 Pleiades wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 06:36 domovoi wrote:
On November 22 2011 06:35 Pleiades wrote:
UC davis is like 42% white, 42% asian in terms of students who enroll there.

Asian university students also tend to be in the high income bracket.


Not all, I know some past and present Vietnamese and Hmong students that go there that have parents who immigrated after the Vietnam war. Their families are technically living in poverty due to their income.

And sadly, you won't find a lot of them on a university campus.
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