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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On December 21 2011 23:38 Nizaris wrote: I'm sry but what does that even mean ? you saying it's likely to pass without any amendment ? I just mean the opposition to Issa's amendment is worrying. | ||
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Cosmos
Belgium1077 Posts
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Dozle
Canada147 Posts
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chasmofcrisis
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birdkicker
United States752 Posts
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chasmofcrisis
60 Posts
On December 21 2011 04:21 McNulty wrote: As long as i can play D3 in the future I don't really care much about this, but wanted to reply in this thread because of the INSANE irony of its location... Team Liquid - one of the most heavily moderated and constricting discussion forums I've ever posted at (been using Internet since 1997-1998). Think I've recieved 3-4 warnings and 2 or so bans during the short time I've been sure. Sure, I'm probably a bigger asshole than 99% of the people here, but I've never before been warned or banned on any other forum. Proof: the SECOND post in the topic gets a warning. Why? Not because he wanted to offend anyone, not because he wanted to troll, not because he used profanity (there should be no problem with swearing in a "free Internet" either)... He was warned because he made a reply showing his alternative world views, which most consider to be a stupid conspiracy theory, while ALOT of other people see it as an undisputable fact. This would only be fair if everyone who mentioned anything about religion recieved a warning... However, maybe this is the way it has to be, in order to maintain some level of intellectual discussion. =) The point still stands in my opinion, how ironic it is to post "omg they are stealing our free speech and sensoring us" etc, when posting in a forum where you can get banned for saying something that could influence a discussion in a certain direction. The difference is that by signing up to TL I agreed to a contract that stated that I could be banned/warned/etc for just about anything. I knew what I agreed to and know the risks of each post I make. When I grew up in America, I tacitly signed a different social contract that was made very explicit: Freedoms, rights, the illusion of choice and mobility, etc. Now, they want to change the contract that people have already signed. Usually we are accepting of this because we choose them to make changes that are supposedly reflective of our ideas and beliefs. Now, they are taking away that which was made most important to all of us. SOPA isn't the only bill that shows that the United States seem to think that they can simply eat our contract and make it void. NDAA is also a horrible intrusion of rights we were made to think were the apex of society. These freedoms and ideology made us the most important nation in the world (so we are taught). The Patriot Act was the beginning and now, as we all agree that one more bill and it will be over, the scale is sliding further and further until we no longer have anything that we thought was our right. | ||
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Cirn9
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confusedcrib
United States1307 Posts
Hello, I would like to briefly urge you to vote against the Protect IP or SOPA legislation. In a time when the United States' greatest economic asset is the ability to innovate, it is absolutely essential that the government does not impede that progress. With the SOPA bill in place, websites that are now used to share and connect millions of people may never have existed. Websites from small communities to larger ones such as youtube and facebook are all threatened by this bill. Had this legislation existed years ago, its quite probable that facebook and youtube, two of our economic powerhouses of internet growth and leadership worldwide, would never have existed. If this bill passes, it is impossible to know what will happen to the future of web innovation. Internet innovation is a field that the United States needs to stay the leader in, and not fall behind due to a poorly written bill that continues giving the government more power than it needs. Sir, you say that you care deeply for your children's education, for small business growth, and for less government regulation of the market place. This bill vehemently attacks these core values, and I strongly urge your negation of it should it leave committee hearings. Thank you for your time, Your constituent, Name | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
The article in the link is a month old but it still gives some hope atleast. Hope Obama does the right thing if the bill ends up on his table. | ||
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BradenKuntz
Canada59 Posts
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SenorChang
Australia4730 Posts
On December 22 2011 00:24 Dozle wrote: If Reddit gets shut down because of this I fully support it Sorry but then you are naive. | ||
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SoniC_eu
Denmark1008 Posts
 American goverment...is so obviously controlled by greedy rich ppl that wish to have more power and anonimity. I truly hope my brothers across the atlantic fight back and stop these ridiculous and very badly written laws. "To punish and enslave" - The US Goverment.(not transformers! ) | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On December 22 2011 03:30 KingPwny wrote: It's itneresting to see how ballsy these lobbysits and semi corrupt officials in the goverment are. Do they actually think this will go unnotived without creating huge uproar in the internet communities? I guess so :/ So it's up to the internet communities to fight back! If this bill is passed it will officially do some damage to businesses, creativity, communication, but the actual damage will be the unnoficial one. Scares me American goverment...is so obviously controlled by greedy rich ppl that wish to have more power and anonimity. I truly hope my brothers across the atlantic fight back and stop these ridiculous and very badly written laws. "To punish and enslave" - The US Goverment.(not transformers! )You realize there are some absurdly huge corporate interests against SOPA, right? Sure, Viacom, Comcast, etc. all want SOPA to pass, but they're tiny companies compared to Google, Apple, Microsoft, and the likes. If SOPA actually gets anywhere, you can bet your ass all the lobbying will be against SOPA. Google alone has more money than every media conglomerate in the US and SOPA would kill their income. So if it is all about money and greed, watch SOPA crash and burn. | ||
imallinson
United Kingdom3482 Posts
On December 22 2011 04:31 hmunkey wrote: You realize there are some absurdly huge corporate interests against SOPA, right? Sure, Viacom, Comcast, etc. all want SOPA to pass, but they're tiny companies compared to Google, Apple, Microsoft, and the likes. If SOPA actually gets anywhere, you can bet your ass all the lobbying will be against SOPA. Google alone has more money than every media conglomerate in the US and SOPA would kill their income. So if it is all about money and greed, watch SOPA crash and burn. The problem is that a lot of the companies that are supporting the bill have been around for a long time and have big body of lobbyists. Companies like Google are a lot newer and don't have a body of lobbyists. Most of the people advising the government on this are lobbyists paid to get it through. | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
I am pretty certain that if you prevent it in the US, it won't come to Europe. I'm rooting for you! <3 | ||
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colate
Norway121 Posts
Please send letters, US citizens. I'm counting on you guys. | ||
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zeMoose
Finland51 Posts
On December 22 2011 04:41 Jayjay54 wrote: guys. I would if I could. Save the world! I am pretty certain that if you prevent it in the US, it won't come to Europe. I'm rooting for you! <3 Apparently something similar is already coming to Europe. And the EU council quietly passed it in an agriculture and fisheries meeting: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111219/02385917123/eu-council-quietly-adopts-acta-hiding-it-agriculture-fisheries-meeting.shtml EU parliament needs to vote on it and hopefully it never goes through. But damn, it really seems like the copyright industry desperately wants this pass before people become too aware of it. | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On December 21 2011 18:35 Aic wrote: For those who still have a vauge grasp of what thise bills actuallly are trying to do, I found a really well written summary, that you al should take a few minutes to read. Stanford law review It's welll worth your time to read or skim through. Skimmed through thanks. When the Stanford Law Review (a traditionally moderate law school) is using terms like "potentially disastrous" it highlights how serious and grave a bill this is. The language within it is even more vague then alot of the reading in the PATRIOT Act I skimmed through. On December 22 2011 06:10 zeMoose wrote: Apparently something similar is already coming to Europe. And the EU council quietly passed it in an agriculture and fisheries meeting: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111219/02385917123/eu-council-quietly-adopts-acta-hiding-it-agriculture-fisheries-meeting.shtml EU parliament needs to vote on it and hopefully it never goes through. But damn, it really seems like the copyright industry desperately wants this pass before people become too aware of it. Wow. As a follower of European politics this is pretty much breaking news. It seems both the Commission and the Council is trying their best, its now up to the Parliament to save any shred of dignity by at least neutering parts of it. What I don't understand is how this ECJ ruling since they have "direct effect" rule will interfere with the ACTA treaty, does anyone know? Do treaties supercede ECJ law interpretation? http://www.onlinecasinoadvice.com/news/ecj-rules-that-isp-blocking-is-illegal/ Next victim up Switzerland IMO (race between this country and Mexico really). | ||
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Scorm
United States104 Posts
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JohnnyBanana
Canada493 Posts
On December 22 2011 07:03 Scorm wrote: I sent a signed the petition as well. Please take action and support our freedoms. Signing a petition does almost nothing. Please contact/mail your state Reps. That's the only significant way to make sure your voice gets heard. | ||
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