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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On December 21 2011 09:26 Danglars wrote: Obama administration supports this? Surprising. Where did you get this info? My understanding is the Obama admin is largely silent right now on it but Eric Schmidt is lobbying him hard to veto it already. Obama already expressed his support for net neutrality so I don't see where this is coming from. | ||
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DropTester
Australia608 Posts
On December 21 2011 09:26 Danglars wrote: Obama administration supports this? Surprising. I dont know how true it is but based off avaaz the obama administration does not support this. In days, over 1 million of us worldwide signed a petition opposing a scandalous bill that would give the US government the right to shut down any website -- targeting sites like WikiLeaks, YouTube, even Avaaz! President Obama’s team responded, and Avaaz organized a 1 hour meeting with top White House officials to deliver the petition. We’ve now been told privately that Obama is likely to oppose the bill as it stands. When we started, insiders all told us the bill could not be stopped, now they’re all telling us the bill may soon be dead in its current form -- that’s people power! | ||
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
On December 21 2011 09:44 DropTester wrote: I dont know how true it is but based off avaaz the obama administration does not support this. Yeahhhh! finally some good news! | ||
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Gman1216
United States97 Posts
On November 15 2011 23:56 TheBomb wrote: This is part of a new world system where if you happen to post a what would otherwise be fair usage video or picture or whatever you will be shut down and what is scary is that most of these laws go all over the world. This is a new world system of corrupt ways and corporate domination. User was warned for this post I agree 100% this is Chinese style censorship. Edit: Sources: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/12/week-censorship | ||
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bRiz
United States113 Posts
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Devolved
United States2753 Posts
I am writing to you to voice my concern and extreme disapproval of PROTECT IP (S. 968)/SOPA (HR. 3261). This bill goes against the very freedoms that we as a nation try to protect. It goes directly against our rights outlined by the constitution for the sole purpose of appeasing corporate interests. I urge you to fully review this bill and its widespread implications to internet freedom. This is exactly the type of over-reaching internet censorship that China implores on its citizens. We, as a people, expect and deserve more. | ||
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mgl0x9
United States256 Posts
On December 21 2011 09:26 Danglars wrote: Obama administration supports this? Surprising. Obama said he would veto ANY internet censoring bill that crosses his desk. | ||
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Cubu
1171 Posts
And just out of curiousity, why did this thread get spotlighted only recently when it was created a month ago? | ||
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Alacast
United States205 Posts
I am writing to you this evening to express my concerns about Bill H.R.3261, the "Stop Online Piracy Act," which is currently up for discussion in the House of Representatives. Though I infrequently engage in political discussion, I find this issue one that directly affects me not only as an avid internet user, but as a citizen of the United States, and it has prompted me to express my concern to you. There is no denying the size and scope of the online piracy movement nor its adverse effects on the entertainment and intellectual communities. However, in reviewing the bill firsthand as well as a handful of articles on the subject, I was struck by the clear ignorance of the history of piracy-related legal recourse and the broad-stroke tactics chosen as the means with which to combat online copyright infringement. Time and again, action has been taken on a specific case-by-case basis to shut down domains known to engage in piracy-assisting practices, and though these efforts have largely been successful, the number of individuals participating in online piracy has continued to rise. Simply put, shutting down one or even all of the current perpetrators has pushed those seeking a replacement onto the next site with the means and the knowledge to escape prosecution. This bill is a sweeping attempt to close any and all loopholes, both domestically and abroad through which people can currently access pirated software, but it would be foolish to assume that the millions who engage in the practice would be content to abandon it lightly; "where there is a will, there is a way." The power of human ingenuity to adapt and create new systems will always outpace the ability for legislative bodies to regulate their practice. Again, underestimating peoples' ability to learn and adapt to new situations is folly, and all the effort and time put into this bill will be for naught as time passes and piracy providers find ways to transcend the limitations of SOPA. Another issue that came to mind when reviewing this bill was the very negative precedent it would set for future internet-restricting legislation. It takes little imagination to see this bill eventually being used for purposes not originally intended. One of the most powerful aspects of the functionality of the internet is its laissez-faire oversight which has made it one of the least-restrictive and open havens of free speech since the dawn of time. Never before have people been able to communicate directly with others across the globe, and this bill aims to destroy one part of that bridge. It would be a shame to see this bill as inspiration for other bills in the years to come that seek to limit communication between individuals because of a perceived threat by well-funded lobbyists or government agencies. We are all horrified to see the actions of Middle Eastern and Asian countries as they routinely and severely restrict their citizens' access to information through the internet because of fears arising from free access to information. The United States Government should never be used as the tool through which incompetent corporations attempt to regulate their products. Learn from the past mistakes of those who insisted on addressing the symptoms of piracy behavior, rather than striking at the source of the problem. No matter how many piracy sites could be created, they would threaten no one if responsible, educated citizens shunned them. There is no more powerful agent on the planet than the collective will of people, and the group that can educate and empower those people to make positive and constructive decisions for themselves will be unstoppable. Wasting time on legislation that attempts to plug the holes of a sinking ship takes valuable resources away from potential productive efforts to educate and inform citizens about the damage wrought by their selfish acts. This is the only way to create long-term effective solutions, and I hope you will vote against H.R.3261 and instead promote effective tactics. Though such tactics would take time, I know a civil servant such as yourself gladly ignores opportunity for quick self-promotion in favor of lasting change. | ||
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On December 21 2011 11:43 Cubu wrote: so why is this a problem if obama is gonna veto it? Not from america so i dont know much about their politics. And just out of curiousity, why did this thread get spotlighted only recently when it was created a month ago? Well first he hasn't straight up said he would veto it, but has said something about veto'ing legislation that leads to internet censorship, which, if you're the RIAA/MPAA you're going to claim this isn't. Second, even if the president vetoes, if both chambers of congress get either 2/3 or 3/4 (can't remember which), then it overrides his veto. | ||
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Trell
United States60 Posts
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Cirn9
1117 Posts
On December 21 2011 12:25 diophan wrote: Well first he hasn't straight up said he would veto it, but has said something about veto'ing legislation that leads to internet censorship, which, if you're the RIAA/MPAA you're going to claim this isn't. Second, even if the president vetoes, if both chambers of congress get either 2/3 or 3/4 (can't remember which), then it overrides his veto. Is that how it is? I thought it had to go through, get veto'd, go through again, can be veto'd a second time. And then theres a vote or something that after its veto'd twice then it can still be made a law. Fuck if I remember how it works... | ||
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wswordsmen
United States987 Posts
On December 21 2011 12:33 Cirn9 wrote: Is that how it is? I thought it had to go through, get veto'd, go through again, can be veto'd a second time. And then theres a vote or something that after its veto'd twice then it can still be made a law. Fuck if I remember how it works... Veto once then it needs to pass with a 2/3rds margin to be made into law. Vetos are almost never overridden. | ||
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Gestalt
United States39 Posts
Thanks for spreading the word Virgil! | ||
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Honeybadger
United States821 Posts
Unfortunately, congress seems to be in favor of this bill 4 or 5 to 1. 80% support is enough to overturn a veto... We really need to not even let it get to the president's desk at all. Send the fucking RIAA/MPAA a message that we, the people, will not tolerate their asshattery any longer. | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On December 21 2011 13:40 Honeybadger wrote: One veto is allowed, and then a 2/3 supermajority is required to overturn the veto. Unfortunately, congress seems to be in favor of this bill 4 or 5 to 1. 80% support is enough to overturn a veto... We really need to not even let it get to the president's desk at all. Send the fucking RIAA/MPAA a message that we, the people, will not tolerate their asshattery any longer. Congress is done for. The Senate is the real intrigue, it already seems the lobbying money has bought out the big senators (influential or ones with large states) minus a few but it has yet to get its tentacles on the smaller senators and moderates yet. This is gonna be close IMO and will certainly reach the veto stage. When it comes to the Senate on the veto override I expect nothing short of an all out offensive from young voters, no more excuses for laziness if you're 18 and you know what's going on. | ||
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Zalithian
520 Posts
On December 21 2011 11:12 mgl0x9 wrote: Obama said he would veto ANY internet censoring bill that crosses his desk. He also said he would veto NDAA, yes? | ||
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JohnnyBanana
Canada493 Posts
Exactly, he said he would veto and then backed off last minute. Do not rely on Obama's veto. Kill this fucking bill before it even reaches the voting stages in congress. Good job to all that contacted their representatives! Need more people to do so! Get your parents to do it! | ||
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CellGel
Australia27 Posts
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MrSparkle
Canada135 Posts
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