On December 21 2011 04:21 McNulty wrote: As long as i can play D3 in the future I don't really care much about this, but wanted to reply in this thread because of the INSANE irony of its location...
Team Liquid - one of the most heavily moderated and constricting discussion forums I've ever posted at (been using Internet since 1997-1998).
Think I've recieved 3-4 warnings and 2 or so bans during the short time I've been sure. Sure, I'm probably a bigger asshole than 99% of the people here, but I've never before been warned or banned on any other forum.
Proof: the SECOND post in the topic gets a warning. Why? Not because he wanted to offend anyone, not because he wanted to troll, not because he used profanity (there should be no problem with swearing in a "free Internet" either)...
He was warned because he made a reply showing his alternative world views, which most consider to be a stupid conspiracy theory, while ALOT of other people see it as an undisputable fact. This would only be fair if everyone who mentioned anything about religion recieved a warning...
However, maybe this is the way it has to be, in order to maintain some level of intellectual discussion. =)
The point still stands in my opinion, how ironic it is to post "omg they are stealing our free speech and sensoring us" etc, when posting in a forum where you can get banned for saying something that could influence a discussion in a certain direction.
TL is a team's website and they don't want their forums to turn into garbage (whatever that means to them) and potentially giving them a bad image. You don't see the difference between having a team warn people for degrading their website quality and the US government unilaterally taking down an entire website because someone posted a link to a copyrighted image on forum?
On December 21 2011 02:39 Arcanefrost wrote: Quite funny they try to stop pirates by blocking sites, they do realize finding away around blocks is what pirates do best ^^
Yeah it's super easy to get around if they're just using DNS filtering. It goes to show that they have no idea what they're doing.
Just open cmd, ping the site you plan on visiting after this passes, and write down the IP.
On December 21 2011 02:39 Arcanefrost wrote: Quite funny they try to stop pirates by blocking sites, they do realize finding away around blocks is what pirates do best ^^
Yeah it's super easy to get around if they're just using DNS filtering. It goes to show that they have no idea what they're doing.
Just open cmd, ping the site you plan on visiting after this passes, and write down the IP.
This is common sense to anybody who knows what a DNS is.
But what percentage of the people who use the web know what DNS is? Sure most of the people on TL probably can find a way around it, but I don't think that's the point.
And as someone above me states, it's pretty hard for DNS to translate your ping query AFTER the bill passes.
On December 21 2011 02:39 Arcanefrost wrote: Quite funny they try to stop pirates by blocking sites, they do realize finding away around blocks is what pirates do best ^^
Yeah it's super easy to get around if they're just using DNS filtering. It goes to show that they have no idea what they're doing.
Just open cmd, ping the site you plan on visiting after this passes, and write down the IP.
This is common sense to anybody who knows what a DNS is.
But what percentage of the people who use the web know what DNS is? Sure most of the people on TL probably can find a way around it, but I don't think that's the point.
And as someone above me states, it's pretty hard for DNS to translate your ping query AFTER the bill passes.
I have no idea what most of that means, thats why I was asking
On December 21 2011 03:26 Ceril wrote: If Sopa/pipa comes to pass. opendns will be commonplace and a huge withdrawal of IP capital thats not hollywood will relocate their servers and services and jobs to other countries. It will be worth it, leaving the US in the backwater.
Ofc, with content providers of the free world gone from the land of the free. the corrupt us goverment system is free to erect the digital fortress to protect american minds from the harmfull influences of the world outside its borders.
Next up is the day americans line up in the streets crying about their emperor and god Barrack Ombama diying at the age 67.
"The internet is a fundamentally broken concept the way it is now. The idea of a completely safe haven where anything goes with practically no rules simply cannot last forever." -TedJustice
And it came into being such a place existed and men in the future called it camelot, like the camelot before a shining becon of what should have been.
You shouldn't assume just because this bill is being considered that America resembles North Korea...
Well media censorship is a part of that kind of regime. Do you think if the NKs had a free media they would still like Kim-Jong-Ill? These are the kinds of laws that if passed can lead to laws of worse censorship, must be stopped!!
On December 21 2011 04:21 McNulty wrote: As long as i can play D3 in the future I don't really care much about this, but wanted to reply in this thread because of the INSANE irony of its location...
Team Liquid - one of the most heavily moderated and constricting discussion forums I've ever posted at (been using Internet since 1997-1998).
Think I've recieved 3-4 warnings and 2 or so bans during the short time I've been sure. Sure, I'm probably a bigger asshole than 99% of the people here, but I've never before been warned or banned on any other forum.
Proof: the SECOND post in the topic gets a warning. Why? Not because he wanted to offend anyone, not because he wanted to troll, not because he used profanity (there should be no problem with swearing in a "free Internet" either)...
He was warned because he made a reply showing his alternative world views, which most consider to be a stupid conspiracy theory, while ALOT of other people see it as an undisputable fact. This would only be fair if everyone who mentioned anything about religion recieved a warning...
However, maybe this is the way it has to be, in order to maintain some level of intellectual discussion. =)
The point still stands in my opinion, how ironic it is to post "omg they are stealing our free speech and sensoring us" etc, when posting in a forum where you can get banned for saying something that could influence a discussion in a certain direction.
You're comparing 1 forum to the entire internet?
stop being a smartass. he was saying that its ironic ppl are against this bill but think TL is the heavens of internet forums when TL bans anyone that disagrees with the direction the discussion is going. i understand everyone has different opinions. but when u have the power to be a complete dick with your opinion it gets old. however the quality content of this forum keeps me coming back. regardless how many times i get banned. its not like i get a cookie for hitting the 1000+ post mark. its like my WoW account with over 300 days played. i stopped playing years ago and those 300+ days doesnt mean shit to anyone
What If then we ALL ( and i mean ALL ) post a link to the latest movie hit from piratebay somewhere,
What If then we ALL go to the police and turn ourselves in ...
What if we all become criminals ...
I AM SPARTACUS !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Note: obviously this does not apply to myself since in am not from US but i do believe this would be a strong course of action for the citizens of any country stupid enough to do this.
Erik Martin, general manager of Reddit, one of the Internet’s most popular community-driven media websites, said in a recent post that independent experts have told the site that if the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) passes Congress, the laws as written would be Reddit’s death sentence.
Reddit, owned by publishing company Condé Nast, functions by allowing users to submit links to articles, videos and pictures, then promotes or demotes various content depending upon community reaction. Users are allowed to up- or down-vote submitted items, and the top links appear on the site’s front page.
“If SOPA passes in anything like it’s current form, it would almost certainly mean the end of reddit,” Martin explained in a post on Monday. “It may not happen overnight, but we have a very small staff (~11, mostly engineers), and even dealing with DMCA [Digital Millennium Copyright Act] stuff is a big burden for us. SOPA would make running reddit near impossible. And we have access to great lawyers through our parent company. I can’t imagine how smaller sites without those kind of resources could even attempt a go at it if SOPA passes.”
On December 21 2011 04:21 McNulty wrote: As long as i can play D3 in the future I don't really care much about this, but wanted to reply in this thread because of the INSANE irony of its location...
Team Liquid - one of the most heavily moderated and constricting discussion forums I've ever posted at (been using Internet since 1997-1998).
Think I've recieved 3-4 warnings and 2 or so bans during the short time I've been sure. Sure, I'm probably a bigger asshole than 99% of the people here, but I've never before been warned or banned on any other forum.
Proof: the SECOND post in the topic gets a warning. Why? Not because he wanted to offend anyone, not because he wanted to troll, not because he used profanity (there should be no problem with swearing in a "free Internet" either)...
He was warned because he made a reply showing his alternative world views, which most consider to be a stupid conspiracy theory, while ALOT of other people see it as an undisputable fact. This would only be fair if everyone who mentioned anything about religion recieved a warning...
However, maybe this is the way it has to be, in order to maintain some level of intellectual discussion. =)
The point still stands in my opinion, how ironic it is to post "omg they are stealing our free speech and sensoring us" etc, when posting in a forum where you can get banned for saying something that could influence a discussion in a certain direction.
You're comparing 1 forum to the entire internet?
stop being a smartass. he was saying that its ironic ppl are against this bill but think TL is the heavens of internet forums when TL bans anyone that disagrees with the direction the discussion is going. i understand everyone has different opinions. but when u have the power to be a complete dick with your opinion it gets old. however the quality content of this forum keeps me coming back. regardless how many times i get banned. its not like i get a cookie for hitting the 1000+ post mark. its like my WoW account with over 300 days played. i stopped playing years ago and those 300+ days doesnt mean shit to anyone
The warns and bans are necessary to maintain good content. You can still blog, or find a thread that is relevant.
Now here's the problem with the bill. Imagine one troll posts a link to content on the pirate bay, or a similar site, and THE WHOLE TEAMLIQUID SITE is taken down from US servers/US citizens can't view it.
On December 21 2011 05:51 DMaster wrote: WHAT IF .. it does pass ... here is an idea,
What If then we ALL ( and i mean ALL ) post a link to the latest movie hit from piratebay somewhere,
What If then we ALL go to the police and turn ourselves in ...
What if we all become criminals ...
I AM SPARTACUS !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Note: obviously this does not apply to myself since in am not from US but i do believe this would be a strong course of action for the citizens of any country stupid enough to do this.
As absolutely epic as it would be, I doubt people would do it. Edit: Just realized I double-posted, sorry
On December 21 2011 04:21 McNulty wrote: As long as i can play D3 in the future I don't really care much about this, but wanted to reply in this thread because of the INSANE irony of its location...
Team Liquid - one of the most heavily moderated and constricting discussion forums I've ever posted at (been using Internet since 1997-1998).
Think I've recieved 3-4 warnings and 2 or so bans during the short time I've been sure. Sure, I'm probably a bigger asshole than 99% of the people here, but I've never before been warned or banned on any other forum.
Proof: the SECOND post in the topic gets a warning. Why? Not because he wanted to offend anyone, not because he wanted to troll, not because he used profanity (there should be no problem with swearing in a "free Internet" either)...
He was warned because he made a reply showing his alternative world views, which most consider to be a stupid conspiracy theory, while ALOT of other people see it as an undisputable fact. This would only be fair if everyone who mentioned anything about religion recieved a warning...
However, maybe this is the way it has to be, in order to maintain some level of intellectual discussion. =)
The point still stands in my opinion, how ironic it is to post "omg they are stealing our free speech and sensoring us" etc, when posting in a forum where you can get banned for saying something that could influence a discussion in a certain direction.
You're comparing 1 forum to the entire internet?
stop being a smartass. he was saying that its ironic ppl are against this bill but think TL is the heavens of internet forums when TL bans anyone that disagrees with the direction the discussion is going. i understand everyone has different opinions. but when u have the power to be a complete dick with your opinion it gets old. however the quality content of this forum keeps me coming back. regardless how many times i get banned. its not like i get a cookie for hitting the 1000+ post mark. its like my WoW account with over 300 days played. i stopped playing years ago and those 300+ days doesnt mean shit to anyone
Absolutely everything in this post is 100% irrelevant to anything I said. You're lucky I didn't report you for directly attacking me in your post.
I sent this letter this morning to my district's Congressman, Rush Holt. I think physical letters bear some more weight, even if incrementally.
Dear Dr. Holt:
I am writing as a concerned constituent of your district with regards to the Stop Online Piracy Act (H.R.3261). I am an undergraduate student pursuing a Bachelor’s of Political Science. As a young man with an intent to pursue a legal career, I want to bring to your attention what I believe to be an egregious violation of the Constitution should this bill be passed. I am positive that as a scientist, you can understand the technical ramifications upon our internet infrastructure legislation of this magnitude entails. Having watched last week’s House Judicial Committee debate over the proposed manager’s amendment, I am not confident in many Representatives’ ability to fairly evaluate this bill due to an apparent lack of basic understanding of the internet. However, I want to put aside the debate over cyber-security and other important points in order to discuss what I believe is the primary reason SOPA should not be supported: this proposed legislation clearly violates the First Amendment.
In brief, the law would enable a complaining party to file a unilateral notice against a website it believes to contain, in part or in whole, infringing intellectual property. Through this notice, complainant may orchestrate a denial of service between third-parties and accused website. Such third parties include payment processors, advertisers, domain name registrars, internet service providers and the like. The third party is given whole responsibility to evaluate the legitimacy of the claims of the complainant in deciding whether or not to deny services, and is afforded legal immunity should it decide to comply.
It is a reality of the internet that many websites would suffer significant damage and may be unable to continue operating should essential third party companies stop doing business with them. The glaring First Amendment violation of this legislation is its establishment of prior restraint upon free speech. The process outlined above can irreversibly harm a content-provider and Americans wishing to access it without a single decision from a judiciary. In essence, private action in absence of a court order is granted the legal ability to censor speech. According to leading Constitutional scholar Laurence Tribe, “A procedure that delegates to a private party the power to suppress speech without prior notice and a judicial hearing violates the ‘prior restraint’ doctrine.” I encourage you to read Dr. Tribe’s full legal analysis on SOPA; it can be found with a simple online search.
I urge you to oppose SOPA not only on the many grounds argued by Rep. Issa, Rep. Lofgren, Rep. Chaffetz, Rep. Polis and others, but on Constitutional grounds which must be brought to the forefront of debate in Congress. America should stand as a world leader in internet freedom. Enacting SOPA and giving non-judicial entities free reign in disabling websites is not a far cry from censorship methods seen in countries such as China, North Korea, and Iran. The American people have every expectation of Congress to dutifully and diligently conduct required research and call upon expert testimony whenever legislation of this magnitude is considered. Thank you for your time.
Good letter j0k3r, but you're wrong about the incremental weight of the physical letter. Rep. Lofgren posted in a reddit AMA that physical letters, phone calls, and actual meetings with the Reps hold the MOST weight... by a large margin actually. They're much more likely to take your letter seriously than if you had just emailed that.
On December 21 2011 06:26 JohnnyBanana wrote: Good letter j0k3r, but you're wrong about the incremental weight of the physical letter. Rep. Lofgren posted in a reddit AMA that physical letters, phone calls, and actual meetings with the Reps hold the MOST weight... by a large margin actually. They're much more likely to take your letter seriously than if you had just emailed that.
Thanks and you're right, I just found what she said:
thanks to all for your kind words. My best assessment is that most members of the House who do not serve on the Judiciary Committee have not yet focused on SOPA. People should realize that incredible power they have to impact the thinking of their own Representative on the subject. For example, a very intelligent colleague who is not on the Committee approached me today asking about the bill. Why? He had received an urgent and forthright telephone call from a small business person in his district who is tremendously opposed. He wanted to know more about our Open Act Alternative. This is the power that each of you have with your own Representative.
I have noticed lot of commentary on line, many thoughtful comments, tweets, etc. But most Representatives are not as plugged into the net world as many of you are. To be heard, you must speak, directly and either by phone or in person. Tweets, emails, petitions are nice, but they don't get the same level of attention.
If I had to bet right now (no, not a $10,000 bet!) I would guess that SOPA proponents currently have the upper hand in Congress. But that is because you have not yet been heard from fully yet. That is very much subject to change.
I learned long ago not to try to explain the thinking of other Members of Congress on any given subject. Instead, you should ask them. If they represent you in the House, they most likely will be happy to take your call. Please remember if you do call to be not only forthright but also polite. It's likely that the person answering the phone is some young person who is working long hours for low pay who does not deserve rude treatment. The House is out of session now but I will be happy to participate in AMA on SOPA again in the days ahead. Best wishes, Zoe
It's rather unfortunate that with the powers the Entertainment industry (might as well say MPAA/RIAA cause they usually do the talkin and lobbying) already have in place, they are abused left and right. Yet they claim even though the powers are "broad" in SOPA/PIPA, they will "use it in good faith" and users that truly aren't pirates have "nothing to fear" this is only to "fight foreign country rogue sites." Instance after instance of abuse, how can one that understands how to stand objectively really believe these guys aren't trying to protect their pocket books, don't you guys remember Sony's Betamax VCR vs Hollywood back in the day, even though their device had the capability of unfair use, that alone was not reason enough to ban it.
The opposition to SOPA is that the powers given to Hollywood are just way too broad, what business does the Entertainment have trying to regulate the internet anyway?? It may contain piracy, but the Internet is vast and the uses are limitless, this regulation affects everything else. The supporters of the bill keep saying, "don't worry it's only to fight offshore rogue websites," with the large implication of "yes, we have lots of new powers, but we won't use them for evil." Give out loaded guns to Hollywood why don't you....
MPAA/RIAA irks me behind human comprehension.
There's a huge misunderstanding in the comments of Total Biscuits video, this forum and many other sites. I must reiterate, "Americans" are not trying to censor the web, the effects of this bill censor the web, but the supporters of the bill (Swindled Congressmen/Entertainment Industry/Hollywood/MPAA/RIAA) are claiming that this bill is only to fight piracy through "foreign rogue sites," but the powers given to Entertainment are so broad, that yes it effectively censors the web as well. The American people, 83 Internet inventors/engineers, US Tech, US Law professors all oppose this.
On December 21 2011 02:39 Arcanefrost wrote: Quite funny they try to stop pirates by blocking sites, they do realize finding away around blocks is what pirates do best ^^
Yeah it's super easy to get around if they're just using DNS filtering. It goes to show that they have no idea what they're doing.
Just open cmd, ping the site you plan on visiting after this passes, and write down the IP.
This is common sense to anybody who knows what a DNS is.
Or you can use MAFIAA addon, for Mozilla and Chrome
I am sorry, but it will not be that easy. You think you are smart, but there are much more severe ways to block access than just the DNS resolution and they will be used. Even if you are Mr.Smart, you might end up on a lonely sea in the internet with only other Smarties around you Seriously, this basically threatens everything Internet 2.0 stands for; whether there will be means to avoid it, is not the question, because content providers will retract and it won't help you just accessing what the bill's sponsors allow you.
Need to pull off another glider. Get the streamers/community members to mobilize the Esports community into a effective force that can be used to shut down this act.
On December 21 2011 07:44 Bswhunter wrote: Need to pull off another glider. Get the streamers/community members to mobilize the Esports community into a effective force that can be used to shut down this act.
that's exactly the problem. There's nothing u can do if u don't have 5m dollars to buy a couple senators, like the entertainment industry did.
On December 20 2011 21:28 nakam wrote: Sorry if this has been covered already:
Could every internet company in the US move to another country and still be available to americans? Or will the law enforcers block international sites that doesn't follow this law?
They would block the domain name. for example youtube.com. You'd have to use an alternate url or an ip to access it. But yes that would prevent the US companies from being liable i think.
But Google, facebook and Amazon aren't going to be moving their data centers so that's not really feasible for the big companies.
hopefully soon TL will be hosted in a "free country" (if the law passes) and we'll use teamliquid.ch or maybe even teamliquid.se or something of the sort to access it.
Well it would not really encourage new data centers to be constructed within US but rather Canada or something. Facebook for example is currently building a huge data center about 500 meters from where I live that should cover Europe. It would be possible for european data centers to be used for US traffic aswell (although much slower). Perhaps it doesn't matter where it is located since they control the ISP's and will be able to block it wherever the server lies.
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