On December 22 2011 05:25 colate wrote: I do not think American politicians know what consequences this law can evoke. This american legislation will limit the free speech for people world wide - this is first and foremost against the human rights. Second, this act strides against their ideologi of democratizing the rest of the world. Facebook and Twitter, which can be a victim if this becomes a law, have been the most important social media in the arab democratic revolution - and this can potentially stop revolutions in other countries.
Please send letters, US citizens. I'm counting on you guys.
Yeah, I'm against internet regulation in general but this bill is pretty awful - result of people who don't understand the internet trying to regulate it. Come on US ppl, don't let it pass.
On December 22 2011 03:30 KingPwny wrote: It's itneresting to see how ballsy these lobbysits and semi corrupt officials in the goverment are. Do they actually think this will go unnotived without creating huge uproar in the internet communities? I guess so :/ So it's up to the internet communities to fight back! If this bill is passed it will officially do some damage to businesses, creativity, communication, but the actual damage will be the unnoficial one. Scares me American goverment...is so obviously controlled by greedy rich ppl that wish to have more power and anonimity. I truly hope my brothers across the atlantic fight back and stop these ridiculous and very badly written laws.
"To punish and enslave" - The US Goverment.(not transformers! )
You realize there are some absurdly huge corporate interests against SOPA, right? Sure, Viacom, Comcast, etc. all want SOPA to pass, but they're tiny companies compared to Google, Apple, Microsoft, and the likes. If SOPA actually gets anywhere, you can bet your ass all the lobbying will be against SOPA. Google alone has more money than every media conglomerate in the US and SOPA would kill their income. So if it is all about money and greed, watch SOPA crash and burn.
Here's a compilation of companies that support SOPA (taken from reddit): link. If you think that Google alone can out weight these companies you are delusional.
And don't say "Apple, Microsoft, and the likes". Apple and Microsoft are part of BSA that heavily supported "Protect IP" and also showed their support to the SOPA in October. In November the president of BSA made statement that SOPA "needs work" and that "valid and important questions have been raised about the bill" but that's about it. Microsoft in particular refused to clarify their position beyond that. The only company from BSA that openly opposed bill is Kaspersky Lab who decided to leave BSA in disagreement over SOPA, and that happened earlier in Decemeber. That's quite a clear sign that other members are still in support of the bill and they have reasons to be, after all almost all of them make their money from copyrighted stuff.
Bottom line, so far "Apple, Microsoft, and the likes" are actively lobbying for SOPA.
On December 22 2011 05:25 colate wrote: I do not think American politicians know what consequences this law can evoke. This american legislation will limit the free speech for people world wide - this is first and foremost against the human rights. Second, this act strides against their ideologi of democratizing the rest of the world. Facebook and Twitter, which can be a victim if this becomes a law, have been the most important social media in the arab democratic revolution - and this can potentially stop revolutions in other countries.
Please send letters, US citizens. I'm counting on you guys.
I wouldn't go as far as saying the US strives for democracy in the world. We are talking about the same government that couped democraticly elected parties/leaders and then installed dictatorships/juntas to replace them. They certainly want to make it look like it though (who wouldn't? they'd be seen as the 'good guys' to the first world countries)
I agree that the politicians do not generally understand the consequences this bill will have though. Hopefully tech companies will migrate to Europe (yay more jobs!) but they won't due to cheaper labor, less taxes and more power to the companies in general in the US.
On December 22 2011 03:30 KingPwny wrote: It's itneresting to see how ballsy these lobbysits and semi corrupt officials in the goverment are. Do they actually think this will go unnotived without creating huge uproar in the internet communities? I guess so :/ So it's up to the internet communities to fight back! If this bill is passed it will officially do some damage to businesses, creativity, communication, but the actual damage will be the unnoficial one. Scares me American goverment...is so obviously controlled by greedy rich ppl that wish to have more power and anonimity. I truly hope my brothers across the atlantic fight back and stop these ridiculous and very badly written laws.
"To punish and enslave" - The US Goverment.(not transformers! )
You realize there are some absurdly huge corporate interests against SOPA, right? Sure, Viacom, Comcast, etc. all want SOPA to pass, but they're tiny companies compared to Google, Apple, Microsoft, and the likes. If SOPA actually gets anywhere, you can bet your ass all the lobbying will be against SOPA. Google alone has more money than every media conglomerate in the US and SOPA would kill their income. So if it is all about money and greed, watch SOPA crash and burn.
Here's a compilation of companies that support SOPA (taken from reddit): link. If you think that Google alone can out weight these companies you are delusional.
And don't say "Apple, Microsoft, and the likes". Apple and Microsoft are part of BSA that heavily supported "Protect IP" and also showed their support to the SOPA in October. In November the president of BSA made statement that SOPA "needs work" and that "valid and important questions have been raised about the bill" but that's about it. Microsoft in particular refused to clarify their position beyond that. The only company from BSA that openly opposed bill is Kaspersky Lab who decided to leave BSA in disagreement over SOPA, and that happened earlier in Decemeber. That's quite a clear sign that other members are still in support of the bill and they have reasons to be, after all almost all of them make their money from copyrighted stuff.
Bottom line, so far "Apple, Microsoft, and the likes" are actively lobbying for SOPA.
If there is any single one company that would absolutely LOVE this bill it is Apple. You'll be hard pressed to find a company more involved in active censorship of material on their platforms which they also have 100% control over. I am not suprised they are behind it at all. I am suprised they weren't the one that STARTED it though.
My response I received through Email from my congressman. I'm sure everyone is letting more and more people be aware of this act they are trying to pull against us. Please keep this going!
Thank you for contacting my office regarding intellectual and property online piracy . I appreciate your views and having the benefit of your opinion.
H.R. 3261, the Stop Online Piracy Act, introduced by Representative Lamar Smith (R-TX), and a related senate bill, S. 968, the PROTECT IP Act, introduced by Senator Patrick Leahy (D-VT), seek to protect intellectual property and combat commerce in counterfeit goods on the Internet. Specifically, the Stop Online Piracy Act would make it a federal crime to illegally stream copyrighted content and would significantly expand the government's authority to shutter websites that provide access to pirated or counterfeit content. H.R. 3261 is currently being considered by the House Committee on Judiciary.
I support the goal of this legislation—to protect intellectual property and combat commerce in counterfeit goods— and I support a targeted approach that does not entangle legitimate websites, but I am concerned that H.R. 3261 is written too broadly and may have an adverse affect on free speech and internet innovation. The legislation is a major departure from the current "notice and take-down" system that provide d protection from liability for internet service providers and websites that expeditiously remove infringing materials from their networks , and some critics of the legislation argue that new regulations may result in uncertainty that could disrupt Internet innovation and growth.
It is critical that the Internet remain a viable avenue for American innovation and commerce, and w e cannot ignore those individuals and rogue websites that seek to profit off of the innovation of others . However, we must be sure not to overreach in our attempt to curtail this activity when a more targeted approach may be more effective. I will keep your thoughtful views in mind as Congress continues to consider this important issue.
Thank you again for taking the time to be in touch. Please do not hesitate to contact my office in the future with questions or concerns. If you would like to see what I've been doing on behalf of the Fifth District, or to get my views on a certain issue, please visit my website at http://tsongas.house.gov.
This is war. It is old media against the internet. It is the evil but powerful Sith who are few but coordinated against a mass of Jedi whose powers are clouded by their internal disorganisation and peaceful nature.
But the SOPA interest groups will continue to usurp political power from the people to strengthen their age-old deathgrip on society and cover the internet in a deep, dark uncertainty, we have to fight back! Plaster those politicians' names on every site we go to, writing your reps, casting a vote, no matter how insignificant it may seem, like and favourite calls to arms on Youtube, retweet, share on FB, tell all your friends...
I'm not for piracy, incentives make society go round, but just like child pornography and terrorist threats, these are being blown out of proportion to take away freedoms and liberties and rights. This isn't RIGHT. This bill makes the Great Firewall of China which I suffer from every single day seem like a tiny fence. Americans, use your democracy, don't let this happen!
Am I only the one who approves of this bill? I think it can do good too.. And people wont use music that they probably didn't pay for on their SC2 streams (recalls a moment when kawaiirice or whatever his name his admit he pirates musics and stated he didnt give a shit about it)
On December 22 2011 12:14 ih8Australia wrote: Am I only the one who approves of this bill? I think it can do good too.. And people wont use music that they probably didn't pay for on their SC2 streams (recalls a moment when kawaiirice or whatever his name his admit he pirates musics and stated he didnt give a shit about it)
The only reason you approve of this bill is because you're uninformed. Watch the TotalBiscuit video linked above. If you still approve of it after, well... are you being paid by the RIAA?
EDIT: Just read your username, should have known you were a troll.
On December 22 2011 12:14 ih8Australia wrote: Am I only the one who approves of this bill? I think it can do good too.. And people wont use music that they probably didn't pay for on their SC2 streams (recalls a moment when kawaiirice or whatever his name his admit he pirates musics and stated he didnt give a shit about it)
The problem isn't the intent of the bill, but it's implementation. It puts the ability to completely block a site through normal access and stop any funds going to them through American Companies in the hands of the businesses who have a vested interest in stifling competition in any way possible. There is no oversight required to take action, only a letter from company A saying their stuff is being pirated.
On December 22 2011 12:14 ih8Australia wrote: Am I only the one who approves of this bill? I think it can do good too.. And people wont use music that they probably didn't pay for on their SC2 streams (recalls a moment when kawaiirice or whatever his name his admit he pirates musics and stated he didnt give a shit about it)
The only reason you approve of this bill is because you're uninformed. Watch the TotalBiscuit video linked above. If you still approve of it after, well... are you being paid by the RIAA?
EDIT: Just read your username, should have known you were a troll.
My name doesn't mean I am a troll its just a name it doesn't define who i am just because its a name.
That aside I already watched TotalBiscuits video prior to commenting. So what does that mean? What about illegal downloads? What about illegal app downloads (yes I have apps on itunes appstore and somehow been cracked into apptrackr and all).
On December 22 2011 03:30 KingPwny wrote: It's itneresting to see how ballsy these lobbysits and semi corrupt officials in the goverment are. Do they actually think this will go unnotived without creating huge uproar in the internet communities? I guess so :/ So it's up to the internet communities to fight back! If this bill is passed it will officially do some damage to businesses, creativity, communication, but the actual damage will be the unnoficial one. Scares me American goverment...is so obviously controlled by greedy rich ppl that wish to have more power and anonimity. I truly hope my brothers across the atlantic fight back and stop these ridiculous and very badly written laws.
"To punish and enslave" - The US Goverment.(not transformers! )
You realize there are some absurdly huge corporate interests against SOPA, right? Sure, Viacom, Comcast, etc. all want SOPA to pass, but they're tiny companies compared to Google, Apple, Microsoft, and the likes. If SOPA actually gets anywhere, you can bet your ass all the lobbying will be against SOPA. Google alone has more money than every media conglomerate in the US and SOPA would kill their income. So if it is all about money and greed, watch SOPA crash and burn.
Here's a compilation of companies that support SOPA (taken from reddit): link. If you think that Google alone can out weight these companies you are delusional.
And don't say "Apple, Microsoft, and the likes". Apple and Microsoft are part of BSA that heavily supported "Protect IP" and also showed their support to the SOPA in October. In November the president of BSA made statement that SOPA "needs work" and that "valid and important questions have been raised about the bill" but that's about it. Microsoft in particular refused to clarify their position beyond that. The only company from BSA that openly opposed bill is Kaspersky Lab who decided to leave BSA in disagreement over SOPA, and that happened earlier in Decemeber. That's quite a clear sign that other members are still in support of the bill and they have reasons to be, after all almost all of them make their money from copyrighted stuff.
Bottom line, so far "Apple, Microsoft, and the likes" are actively lobbying for SOPA.
Google has something none of those companies do.
Youtube.
Google is only half heatedly trying to block this, because if they felt they really had to act they would make an ad on youtube opposing it and have it replace every promoted spot for 24 hours under the banner "save youtube" or something like that. The amount of outrage it would generate would be so huge it would have every politician back peddling within the day. The reason Google hasn't done it yet is it will likely cost them support from some of those companies so they won't do it if they can avoid it (aka we kill it on our own).
On December 22 2011 12:14 ih8Australia wrote: Am I only the one who approves of this bill? I think it can do good too.. And people wont use music that they probably didn't pay for on their SC2 streams (recalls a moment when kawaiirice or whatever his name his admit he pirates musics and stated he didnt give a shit about it)
The only reason you approve of this bill is because you're uninformed. Watch the TotalBiscuit video linked above. If you still approve of it after, well... are you being paid by the RIAA?
EDIT: Just read your username, should have known you were a troll.
My name doesn't mean I am a troll its just a name it doesn't define who i am just because its a name.
That aside I already watched TotalBiscuits video prior to commenting. So what does that mean? What about illegal downloads? What about illegal app downloads (yes I have apps on itunes appstore and somehow been cracked into apptrackr and all).
You think giving unlimited power to close any site that a corporation wants to close, no matter if it's hosting illegal things or not, is the best way to counter piracy?
Now every god damn soccer mom and paranoid idiot is going to call congress and tell them to pass this shit.
Fuck.
I mean really?
PIRACY IS STEALING MILLIONS OF AMERICAN JOBS!!!11!!1!!! SAVE AMERICA AND DEMOCRACY BY RESTRICTING YOUR OWN FREEDOM! YUP!
The youtube stats say it all, 16 dislikes/1060 dislikes.
Still, those types of ads are effective against the technologically illiterate because they don't know shit. This government kills way more jobs then any amount of downloading could hope to do, this is just more fucking propaganda.
A very balanced and fair and sensible assessment of the piracy situation and how the SOPA bill is a gross overreaction from Bloomberg.
We sympathize with Hollywood, which is frantic to cut off websites like Sweden’s thepiratebay.org, where bootleg films can be downloaded free by anyone with a laptop and a broadband connection. The film business, which says it loses more than $6 billion a year to piracy, doesn’t want to end up like the music industry, whose sales were obliterated once music-lovers learned to download songs from file-sharing services. But Hollywood can’t prevent that by trying to strangle pirates. Its greater threat is its own antiquated business model. The reality is that moviegoers, couch potatoes and Net surfers want to download videos to laptops, tablets and smartphones. They want to watch the latest Harry Potter movie or “Modern Family” episode when and where it’s convenient. The film industry can no longer expect to control distribution to theaters, cable TV, network TV, overseas venues and streaming services such as Netflix -- each one a separate revenue source. Music labels thought they lost control of their destiny when Apple Inc.’s iTunes came along. In many ways, they did, but music sales are on the upswing again because the convenience, low cost and accessibility of iTunes, Spotify and similar services have turned would-be music thieves into paying customers. The film industry should take note.
I mean, I will admit to having pirated stuff and all, but I also went to theatres and bought DVDs and used Lovefilm when I was in the UK. As long as a service is good, people (at least most) will pay. While some are just miserly with their money and don't want to ever pay for anything, there are others who pirate because they don't have access to such content. I'm not saying that new better services will wipe out piracy, because it won't and piracy will still remain an issue even then, it will help with Hollywood's fortunes without endangering the very foundations of the internet.
Well, I've been putting it off for weeks, but I finally went ahead and emailed my representative at the urging of this thread. Hopefully enough people actually get around to doing this, it really doesn't take that long.
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American goverment...is so obviously controlled by greedy rich ppl that wish to have more power and anonimity. I truly hope my brothers across the atlantic fight back and stop these ridiculous and very badly written laws. 
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