On December 23 2011 02:50 v3chr0 wrote: I heard this bill was denied by congress, and courts, but Obama put it in through the FCC.... Can anyone confirm this cause I can't find shit, and I'm really worried.
May not be the same as "SOPA" but its definitely interesting....
That's over a year old if you check the date. If you read the article it is about bandwidth "shaping", where a Internet provider would deliberately slow connections to sites it viewed as too high bandwidth (in reality it would simply slow sites that it was in competition with. The article refers to Netflix). The FCC ruling on that made it so ISPs couldn't do that, since it was against net neutrality. That was a good ruling in terms of internet freedom since it guaranteed an ISP couldn't selectively slow content they viewed as bad for their networks. They mention bandwidth caps near the end but that would have happened whether that ruling passed or not because US ISPs (and Canadian too) are really good at lying about how burdened their systems are.
On December 23 2011 02:50 v3chr0 wrote: I heard this bill was denied by congress, and courts, but Obama put it in through the FCC.... Can anyone confirm this cause I can't find shit, and I'm really worried.
May not be the same as "SOPA" but its definitely interesting....
That's over a year old if you check the date. If you read the article it is about bandwidth "shaping", where a Internet provider would deliberately slow connections to sites it viewed as too high bandwidth (in reality it would simply slow sites that it was in competition with. The article refers to Netflix). The FCC ruling on that made it so ISPs couldn't do that, since it was against net neutrality. That was a good ruling in terms of internet freedom since it guaranteed an ISP couldn't selectively slow content they viewed as bad for their networks. They mention bandwidth caps near the end but that would have happened whether that ruling passed or not because US ISPs (and Canadian too) are really good at lying about how burdened their systems are.
Ouch, yea I did read most of it, just didn't see the date. My bad, that's definitely not what I was talking about then.
These scumbags are so full of crap, so does this policy protect your copyrighted music? or is it for counterfeit goods? If you guys don't realize they pumpup their bill and make it seem like it does these various things like fight "rogue foreign websites," or "copyrighted music/movies/shows," or it's "fake pharmacies," but it's only that to disguise to the unknowing public because obviously they'll support it if it really stops those things. Tech companies and Internet engineers know it won't, and realize there's gonna be tons of collateral damage because MPAA/RIAA are greedy bastards that are just lobbying to protect ancient profit stream methods.
Google has already stated that companies ALREADY abuse the fuck out of the powers they were given through DMCA, most of the complaints submitted to them for take down are false accusations against their competitors, and this creates more trouble for Google to police and figure out whether these greedy takedown complaints are legitimate. This is so ridiculous, please do not let others fall for this. It's not gonna end "piracy," it's not REALLY to end "sale of counterfeit goods," it's just douchebag geezers wanting powers they have no right to have.
Companies vested in some sort of profit stream have NO BUSINESS in policing the Internet, nuff said.
Hi everyone, I'm from the UK. Should this bill pass it will have global implications and knowing my government the UK may even follow the US's example....
So what I'd like to know is what I can do as a foreigner to support opposition to this bill in the US? I appreciate that this not a FAQ thread but I really care and I trust TL's collective opinion on this.
On December 21 2011 02:32 TedJustice wrote: The internet is a fundamentally broken concept the way it is now. The idea of a completely safe haven where anything goes with practically no rules simply cannot last forever.
Sure eventually the US may have a firewall set up like China. But I can assure you most countries particularly developing ones wouldn't give a shit at all. I mean have you been to other countries where corruption is in the open and their governments don't care about counterfeit goods let alone people downloading movies.
All that it will mean is that some sites will just move offshore and it will be business as usual again.
On December 21 2011 02:32 TedJustice wrote: Honestly, we shouldn't be thinking about ways to avoid this, when it's practically inevitable that this (or something similar) will pass eventually. The internet is a fundamentally broken concept the way it is now. The idea of a completely safe haven where anything goes with practically no rules simply cannot last forever.
Instead, we should be thinking of ways to soften the blow when this hits. Getting rid of things like the youtube thread, getting rid of copyrighted music in streams, and so on. It's not something we'd like to do, but I feel like it's going to be necessary.
I don't even know how to respond to this. To suggest the internet is even remotely like "a completely safe haven where anything goes with practically no rules" is completely false. There is so much wrong with that part of your post.
There are some VERY strict rules (read: Laws) on the internet for certain things. I remember reading about someone who got caught with child porn who was sentenced to life in prison. Now, I think it's excessive, but it illustrates people can be severely punished for "illegal" actions on the internet. People have already been sued for hundreds of thousands, and even millions of dollars individually for downloading maybe $200 retail value in music.
Now, enforcing things on the internet can be more difficult due to the volume of people who are doing "illegal things." Even then, to suggest practically no rules exist is again, not even close to being true. People should not cave in to the entertainment industry because they are greedy beyond belief. I have mentioned this several times, that the movie industry alone took in over 30 billion dollars last year. That's higher than the GDP of half the countries in the world. I'm not saying that to say piracy is fine, but it should at least go to show any claim of piracy destroying the movie industry is beyond absurd, and is being said merely to garner sympathy to help them continue their monopoly. The music industry is in a slightly different situation, of course I'd blame them as well.
Let's not forget that these companies who are crying about piracy are the ones who started it in the first place by distributing the software.
Thank you for contacting me to share your comments regarding H.R. 3261, the Stop Online Piracy Act. I understand your concerns and appreciate hearing from you on this important issue.
Reasonable protections for intellectual property rights are critical to preserving jobs and ensuring the continued success of the U.S. entertainment and technology industries, but we must not stifle innovation by enacting burdensome and overly broad laws. Copyrighted materials, including music, movies, television shows, software, books and more can be easily—and illegally—obtained through file sharing networks, and we should continue to promote efforts to eliminate intellectual property theft. Fortunately, online piracy has declined significantly in recent years, thanks both to the closure of major illegal file sharing networks and rogue sites and to the rise of legitimate digital content providers.
As you may know, H.R. 3261 was introduced by Representative Lamar Smith (R-TX). This legislation would establish new laws to shut down "rogue sites" that infringe upon copyright protections and distribute unauthorized content. There are some concerns, however, that this legislation is too broad and will jeopardize copyright protections already in place. The private market has proven that it will innovate and provide attractive, legal solutions as technology continues to advance. As we move forward, our laws should not stifle creativity, but still provide artists, authors, and entertainers with protections for their hard work and ideas. This legislation was referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary, where it awaits further action. Though I do not serve on this committee, please be assured that I understand your concerns and will not support legislation that gives government the right to shut down websites or IP addresses without due process.
For additional information, please visit my website, http://www.heck.house.gov. From this site you can access statements about current events or pending legislation, and receive detailed information about the many services that I am privileged to provide for Nevadans.
Again, I appreciate your thoughts and it is an honor to serve you in Congress. Your suggestions are always welcome, and if ever I may be of assistance, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Though I guess that would be in it's current form, anyway. Still no reply from any of my other representatives through the submission form.
If that is Rep. Heck from NV, then I am in the same boat as you - no response from Sens. Reid or Heller yet. Reid supports it, though. I've emailed him a few times expressing my opposition, but he hasn't yet responded. He's usually good about responding, though. I've contacted him many times over the years.
Also, there is a growing boycott movement against GoDaddy for their support of SOPA. I'm planning to transfer my 5 domains from GoDaddy on the designated day.
Major Internet companies have formed a united front in their opposition to the Protect IP Act and the Stop Online Piracy Act. Well, almost. One exception has been the domain registrar GoDaddy. In a op-ed published in Politico shortly after SOPA was introduced in the House, GoDaddy applauded the bill and called opponents "myopic."
"I just finished writing GoDaddy a letter stating why I'm moving my small businesses 51 domains away from them, as well as my personal domains," wrote redditor selfprodigy on Thursday morning. He proposed that December 29 be declared "move your domain day," with GoDaddy customers switching to competing registrars. The post has accumulated more than 1,500 comments, most of them supporting the idea.
Major Internet companies have formed a united front in their opposition to the Protect IP Act and the Stop Online Piracy Act. Well, almost. One exception has been the domain registrar GoDaddy. In a op-ed published in Politico shortly after SOPA was introduced in the House, GoDaddy applauded the bill and called opponents "myopic."
"I just finished writing GoDaddy a letter stating why I'm moving my small businesses 51 domains away from them, as well as my personal domains," wrote redditor selfprodigy on Thursday morning. He proposed that December 29 be declared "move your domain day," with GoDaddy customers switching to competing registrars. The post has accumulated more than 1,500 comments, most of them supporting the idea.
Just came here to express my concern with GoDaddy; looks like I was beat to it. My hope is that a lot of TLers that own GoDaddy registries will move their site to another company. I hope those of you that are against SOPA will move away from GoDaddy.
Now every god damn soccer mom and paranoid idiot is going to call congress and tell them to pass this shit.
Fuck.
I mean really?
PIRACY IS STEALING MILLIONS OF AMERICAN JOBS!!!11!!1!!! SAVE AMERICA AND DEMOCRACY BY RESTRICTING YOUR OWN FREEDOM! YUP!
Wow... talk about leaving everyone in the dark. This bill will stop piracy!!! There's some other stuff it'll do as well, but that's not really important or anything. I'm sorry, but wouldn't doing this to the internet make it harder to find jobs over the internet? TL, please enlighten me.
Now every god damn soccer mom and paranoid idiot is going to call congress and tell them to pass this shit.
Fuck.
I mean really?
PIRACY IS STEALING MILLIONS OF AMERICAN JOBS!!!11!!1!!! SAVE AMERICA AND DEMOCRACY BY RESTRICTING YOUR OWN FREEDOM! YUP!
Wow... talk about leaving everyone in the dark. This bill will stop piracy!!! There's some other stuff it'll do as well, but that's not really important or anything. I'm sorry, but wouldn't doing this to the internet make it harder to find jobs over the internet? TL, please enlighten me.
The only important thing is that the billionaires stop getting their works pirated, which aren't even their own creations. Hay guys, we made more money than the GDP of half the countries in the world last year, but we are on our deathbed!!11
On December 23 2011 13:13 Dust2Dust wrote: Since when have companies and corporations been considered individuals and been entitled to rights???
1819 in the United States:
By the beginning of the 19th century, government policy on both sides of the Atlantic began to change, reflecting the growing popularity of the proposition that corporations were riding the economic wave of the future. In 1819, the U. S. Supreme Court granted corporations a plethora of rights they had not previously recognized or enjoyed.[13] Corporate charters were deemed "inviolable", and not subject to arbitrary amendment or abolition by state governments.[14] The Corporation as a whole was labeled an "artificial person, " possessing both individuality and immortality.[15]
On December 23 2011 13:33 Dust2Dust wrote: This is Bogus. -.-
I'm actually pretty impressed, though, at how quickly you managed to find that. :D
I took macro economics, this was mentioned. I think it was done like this to give corporation some legal rights and protection under the law. Also a corporation can be charged and convicted as a regular human being. However, punishment is difficult to dole out as responsibility is shared between management, employees, and every other shareholder/stakeholder. :|
I took macro economics, this was mentioned. I think it was done like this to give corporation some legal rights and protection under the law. Also a corporation can be charged and convicted as a regular human being. However, punishment is difficult to dole out as responsibility is shared between management, employees, and every other shareholder/stakeholder. :|[/QUOTE]
Too bad money is power, cuz they can just lawyer there way out of ALMOST any wrong doing. :\
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