On November 17 2011 19:34 Simberto wrote: Is it just me, or do you get one of those ridiculous laws every few months over there? Do some people hope that if they try often enough, one won't get noticed, or do i understand something completely wrong?
Doesn't Germany have an anti-Torent law that prohibits you from downloading movies thru p2p? My friend told me that you have to pay the price of the title you pirated as well as a fee for downloading torrented movies in Germany. ._.
On November 17 2011 19:34 Simberto wrote: Is it just me, or do you get one of those ridiculous laws every few months over there? Do some people hope that if they try often enough, one won't get noticed, or do i understand something completely wrong?
Doesn't Germany have an anti-Torent law that prohibits you from downloading movies thru p2p? My friend told me that you have to pay the price of the title you pirated as well as a fee for downloading torrented movies in Germany. ._.
Dunno, as far as i know the legal situation regarding that kind of stuff is usually not very clear. I have yet to hear of a reliable case of anyone being punished for consumer-level piracy, however i am also not exactly actively looking for anything like that, and am generally not directly involved in it. I am pretty sure that there is some generic anti-piracy law, but i am also pretty sure that every country has those. Sadly, it is nearly impossible to get really good information on anything. On the one hand, you have the movie companies telling you that everyone pirating will get raped in prison for 5 years (they seriously had adds like that in the cinema for some time), and on the other hand you have pirates telling you that noone ever gets punished. There is no party that has any interested in finding out the factual truth, and then telling it to people.
However, what you state seems awefully specific and effective, and even reasonable, which is not something i expect of any internet law, so i assume it is a rumor.
pretty interesting that this is the day after the SOPA hearing... our government is THAT hypocritical.
Thats the problem with people making laws about topics they really arent suited to be involved with. In kentucky a bill was recently passed that now allows opticians to perform some basic eye surgery, which is a different subject. But here is the problem, in the bill there was a line where it was illegal for those opticians to make injections in some area of the eye that i cant remember (long complicated Latin phrase). The medical panel ferociously told law makers that this area of the eye was not, in an shape or form *ever* related to the procedure. Today, the bill has been passed, and the passage was never changed.
It would be pretty awesome if the people leading our country would take a couple days to learn about the topic instead of listening to the people who have been sent to shout at them for large sums of money. The result is unintentional/hypocritical and errors come from areas that used to be much more simple.
On November 17 2011 19:34 Simberto wrote: Is it just me, or do you get one of those ridiculous laws every few months over there? Do some people hope that if they try often enough, one won't get noticed, or do i understand something completely wrong?
Doesn't Germany have an anti-Torent law that prohibits you from downloading movies thru p2p? My friend told me that you have to pay the price of the title you pirated as well as a fee for downloading torrented movies in Germany. ._.
Dunno, as far as i know the legal situation regarding that kind of stuff is usually not very clear. I have yet to hear of a reliable case of anyone being punished for consumer-level piracy, however i am also not exactly actively looking for anything like that, and am generally not directly involved in it. I am pretty sure that there is some generic anti-piracy law, but i am also pretty sure that every country has those. Sadly, it is nearly impossible to get really good information on anything. On the one hand, you have the movie companies telling you that everyone pirating will get raped in prison for 5 years (they seriously had adds like that in the cinema for some time), and on the other hand you have pirates telling you that noone ever gets punished. There is no party that has any interested in finding out the factual truth, and then telling it to people.
However, what you state seems awefully specific and effective, and even reasonable, which is not something i expect of any internet law, so i assume it is a rumor.
If you want a source that knows what they are talking about go look them up on torrentfreak.com. Sure they may be biased, but i'll challenge any1 to find something factually incorrect in their blog. It's as good as factual truth as far as i'm concerned.
Only retarded pirates would say no1 ever gets convicted when those 2 were charged for over 2 millions us $. yes it was appealed and it one case slashed, but it's still ridiculous. Those are just the first 2 there's more if u look.
On November 17 2011 19:34 Simberto wrote: Is it just me, or do you get one of those ridiculous laws every few months over there? Do some people hope that if they try often enough, one won't get noticed, or do i understand something completely wrong?
Doesn't Germany have an anti-Torent law that prohibits you from downloading movies thru p2p? My friend told me that you have to pay the price of the title you pirated as well as a fee for downloading torrented movies in Germany. ._.
Dunno, as far as i know the legal situation regarding that kind of stuff is usually not very clear. I have yet to hear of a reliable case of anyone being punished for consumer-level piracy, however i am also not exactly actively looking for anything like that, and am generally not directly involved in it. I am pretty sure that there is some generic anti-piracy law, but i am also pretty sure that every country has those. Sadly, it is nearly impossible to get really good information on anything. On the one hand, you have the movie companies telling you that everyone pirating will get raped in prison for 5 years (they seriously had adds like that in the cinema for some time), and on the other hand you have pirates telling you that noone ever gets punished. There is no party that has any interested in finding out the factual truth, and then telling it to people.
However, what you state seems awefully specific and effective, and even reasonable, which is not something i expect of any internet law, so i assume it is a rumor.
If you want a source that knows what they are talking about go look them up on torrentfreak.com. Sure they may be biased, but i'll challenge any1 to find something factually incorrect in their blog. It's as good as factual truth as far as i'm concerned.
Only retarded pirates would say no1 ever gets convicted when those 2 were charged for over 2 millions us $. yes it was appealed and it one case slashed, but it's still ridiculous. Those are just the first 2 there's more if u look.
Yes, but i don't live in the USA. I was talking specifically about Germany. In America i also would not have been allowed to drink alcohol until i was 21, so there is a bunch of differences here. And internet stuff especially tends to widely vary from country to country in regards of efficiency.
My only knowledge about the american law system comes from stuff i hear in news or read in stories, and that generally tends to sound retarded no matter the subject. Probably because only the retarded stuff is interesting enough to be mentioned. German law also tends to have a tendency to produce a far smaller amount of ridiculously large numbers in money that need to be paid, though that seems to be a thing that is pretty common in america, where whenever a large company is involved it ends up being something in the millions no matter what the case is actually about.
On November 17 2011 19:34 Simberto wrote: Is it just me, or do you get one of those ridiculous laws every few months over there? Do some people hope that if they try often enough, one won't get noticed, or do i understand something completely wrong?
Doesn't Germany have an anti-Torent law that prohibits you from downloading movies thru p2p? My friend told me that you have to pay the price of the title you pirated as well as a fee for downloading torrented movies in Germany. ._.
Dunno, as far as i know the legal situation regarding that kind of stuff is usually not very clear. I have yet to hear of a reliable case of anyone being punished for consumer-level piracy, however i am also not exactly actively looking for anything like that, and am generally not directly involved in it. I am pretty sure that there is some generic anti-piracy law, but i am also pretty sure that every country has those. Sadly, it is nearly impossible to get really good information on anything. On the one hand, you have the movie companies telling you that everyone pirating will get raped in prison for 5 years (they seriously had adds like that in the cinema for some time), and on the other hand you have pirates telling you that noone ever gets punished. There is no party that has any interested in finding out the factual truth, and then telling it to people.
However, what you state seems awefully specific and effective, and even reasonable, which is not something i expect of any internet law, so i assume it is a rumor.
If you want a source that knows what they are talking about go look them up on torrentfreak.com. Sure they may be biased, but i'll challenge any1 to find something factually incorrect in their blog. It's as good as factual truth as far as i'm concerned.
Only retarded pirates would say no1 ever gets convicted when those 2 were charged for over 2 millions us $. yes it was appealed and it one case slashed, but it's still ridiculous. Those are just the first 2 there's more if u look.
Yes, but i don't live in the USA. I was talking specifically about Germany. In America i also would not have been allowed to drink alcohol until i was 21, so there is a bunch of differences here. And internet stuff especially tends to widely vary from country to country in regards of efficiency.
My only knowledge about the american law system comes from stuff i hear in news or read in stories, and that generally tends to sound retarded no matter the subject. Probably because only the retarded stuff is interesting enough to be mentioned. German law also tends to have a tendency to produce a far smaller amount of ridiculously large numbers in money that need to be paid, though that seems to be a thing that is pretty common in america, where whenever a large company is involved it ends up being something in the millions no matter what the case is actually about.
ah, my bad. Don't think ppl have been convicted in europe yet. That blogs talks allot about europe too if you want to know more. You can be certain that if SOPA passes it will come to europe. afterall a lobbyist was elected in the european parliament as the "copyright topdog".
What passes in the US has good chances of passing in Europe. However, we're not sure it would. For example, there is no such thing as "copyright" in France. There are authors rights, which are way stronger than the US copyright. This creates a weaker lobby than the American one.
But then again, we have HADOPI. I just don't know, the only thing I know is that we have to fight. The ruling powers often don't have a clue about the power and importance of internet, other than knowing it's pretty new, and pretty dangerous.
On November 17 2011 19:34 Simberto wrote: Is it just me, or do you get one of those ridiculous laws every few months over there? Do some people hope that if they try often enough, one won't get noticed, or do i understand something completely wrong?
Doesn't Germany have an anti-Torent law that prohibits you from downloading movies thru p2p? My friend told me that you have to pay the price of the title you pirated as well as a fee for downloading torrented movies in Germany. ._.
Dunno, as far as i know the legal situation regarding that kind of stuff is usually not very clear. I have yet to hear of a reliable case of anyone being punished for consumer-level piracy, however i am also not exactly actively looking for anything like that, and am generally not directly involved in it. I am pretty sure that there is some generic anti-piracy law, but i am also pretty sure that every country has those. Sadly, it is nearly impossible to get really good information on anything. On the one hand, you have the movie companies telling you that everyone pirating will get raped in prison for 5 years (they seriously had adds like that in the cinema for some time), and on the other hand you have pirates telling you that noone ever gets punished. There is no party that has any interested in finding out the factual truth, and then telling it to people.
However, what you state seems awefully specific and effective, and even reasonable, which is not something i expect of any internet law, so i assume it is a rumor.
If you want a source that knows what they are talking about go look them up on torrentfreak.com. Sure they may be biased, but i'll challenge any1 to find something factually incorrect in their blog. It's as good as factual truth as far as i'm concerned.
Only retarded pirates would say no1 ever gets convicted when those 2 were charged for over 2 millions us $. yes it was appealed and it one case slashed, but it's still ridiculous. Those are just the first 2 there's more if u look.
Yes, but i don't live in the USA. I was talking specifically about Germany. In America i also would not have been allowed to drink alcohol until i was 21, so there is a bunch of differences here. And internet stuff especially tends to widely vary from country to country in regards of efficiency.
My only knowledge about the american law system comes from stuff i hear in news or read in stories, and that generally tends to sound retarded no matter the subject. Probably because only the retarded stuff is interesting enough to be mentioned. German law also tends to have a tendency to produce a far smaller amount of ridiculously large numbers in money that need to be paid, though that seems to be a thing that is pretty common in america, where whenever a large company is involved it ends up being something in the millions no matter what the case is actually about.
As an example, my neighbor was charged to pay around 900€ for a Guano Apes album he downloaded (Germany). Actually he did not have to pay for the download, but for the time he was sharing it, so others could download. They (was it Sony? not sure) quoted 15 minutes in the letter to him (which I read).
I've got the feeling that music industry is trying to find file sharers more intensively than movie industry, but thats just a guess. Heard of more friends and friends of friends who had to pay for pirated downloads. But I also know some guys who d'loaded for years without having any legal trouble.
Those two cases from America are insane. Tenenbaum for example is supposed to pay 675'000$ for 31 songs. Lets see... TPB has 5 million registered users who probably share at least the same amount. In a very naive calculation that gives us ~3.4 trillion dollars. That's a pretty nice revenue....
PS: There is no generic "anti-torrent law" in Germany. Ofc, like in most places, dl and sharing of copyrighted material is prohibited.
Just sent this to my representative. Thought I would share in case anyone wanted a different way to word it.:
Please do not let the Stop Online Piracy Act go through. This is really important. I understand that perhaps you have a party line you have to uphold or pressures from some big companies that might be funding some of your common interests. I am sure you might have very good reasons for voting for this. But if you care at all about the future of free speech, then you know that the best way to protect it is to protect free speech online.
Whether we like it or not, the Internet is Forum of the future, and the Internet is where the big discussions for our culture and for our political future will take place. If we want to have a bright future as a powerful nation, or even an intelligent people, then we have to ensure that the Internet is protected from Censorship and from the power of any government or company or individual to block what they do not like.
I also understand that copyright laws are an important issue facing us today. But the copyright laws we have right now are outdated and do not take into account the reality of the technological situation confronting us. The original U.S. copyright laws were for 14 years, and today it has been extended to the author's life plus 90 years (largely due to the efforts of the Disney company). That may well have worked at a time before VCRs, and even during since distribution between people would be so slow. But in the digital age, this is no longer relevant. It would be a mistake to make a decision about this act based on protecting current copyright laws since those laws are largely outdated, and since the only thing that will be protected will be the established interests of the rich and powerful like Disney. SOPA will not encourage creativity, it will stifle it. The entire point of the short copyright law was to encourage creativity and innovative work. SOPA is against the spirit of US law.
25. Stresses the need to protect the integrity of the global internet and freedom of communication by refraining from unilateral measures to revoke IP addresses or domain names;
http://peoplesworld.org/internet-lies-could-become-federal-crime/ Millions of people would be violating federal laws for pen names and possible inaccurate information. Seems like it'd benefit people who pray on those less than 18 years of age or at least make it easier for them to acquire the information.
On November 18 2011 21:13 nalgene wrote: http://peoplesworld.org/internet-lies-could-become-federal-crime/ Millions of people would be violating federal laws for pen names and possible inaccurate information. Seems like it'd benefit people who pray on those less than 18 years of age or at least make it easier for them to acquire the information.
cool... I can't wait to see what else the government tries to stir up... (sarcasm / disgust)
The only way to get expression to be free on the internet is to make free software the standard. As long as propiretary software is still up and the main source, there's always going to be some forms of censorship.
Here's the requirement from software needed for freedom of expression: The word "free" in our name does not refer to price; it refers to freedom. First, the freedom to copy a program and redistribute it to your neighbors, so that they can use it as well as you. Second, the freedom to change a program, so that you can control it instead of it controlling you; for this, the source code must be made available to you.
Where the 4 points that stem from the above definition being: Freedom 0: The freedom to run the program for any purpose. Freedom 1: The freedom to study how the program works, and change it to make it do what you wish. Freedom 2: The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor. Freedom 3: The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements (and modified versions in general) to the public, so that the whole community benefits.
i just really hope our friends in the states don't take this lying down if it does pass, it'll set a bad (imo) precident. look at what happened in egypt when they turned off internet
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